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Old 23rd Aug 2023, 07:19
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People come to this thread for QF group stuff not to hear people claiming to be working for US Majors blowing their own horn (its quite unedifying )

But don't get sucked into the tall stories about obtaining an EB2 NIW to work for US Major . The criteria is advanced degree ie: PhD (US immi says "customarily") or "exceptional ability" & the NIW (proposed endeavour has to have substantial merit & be of national importance) . So Aussie pilots won't make advanced degree (only know one PhD airline) , but may well make "exceptional ability" - the minimum 3 criteria (& the weakest) of the 7 criteria. So marginal pass there , but you will have buckleys of meeting NIW criteria , read US Govt websites , even some of the law firms (Scott Legal) fess up to this & state just wanting to come work for Major/Cargo is a weak case. Some case law (appeal around from 2021) outlines it clearly . Where is salesy law firms try to bait people is by stating you meet "exceptional ability" criteria (they neglect to mention very marginally) , but as you guessed mums the word on getting over the NIW criteria - as the good Attorneys know you don't meet criteria. Yes you will get a lot o braggarts chiming in that they ,or "their mate" got & "they have seen it with own eyes" - but what you won't get is a name , verification ,linked profile of anyone who has done it . Simple reason - it doesn't happen.

Is recruitment to ML going to take place for internals in January 2024 ? Externals month or two after that ?
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Old 23rd Aug 2023, 09:22
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Originally Posted by Makiko
People come to this thread for QF group stuff not to hear people claiming to be working for US Majors blowing their own horn (its quite unedifying )

But don't get sucked into the tall stories about obtaining an EB2 NIW to work for US Major . The criteria is advanced degree ie: PhD (US immi says "customarily") or "exceptional ability" & the NIW (proposed endeavour has to have substantial merit & be of national importance) . So Aussie pilots won't make advanced degree (only know one PhD airline) , but may well make "exceptional ability" - the minimum 3 criteria (& the weakest) of the 7 criteria. So marginal pass there , but you will have buckleys of meeting NIW criteria , read US Govt websites , even some of the law firms (Scott Legal) fess up to this & state just wanting to come work for Major/Cargo is a weak case. Some case law (appeal around from 2021) outlines it clearly . Where is salesy law firms try to bait people is by stating you meet "exceptional ability" criteria (they neglect to mention very marginally) , but as you guessed mums the word on getting over the NIW criteria - as the good Attorneys know you don't meet criteria. Yes you will get a lot o braggarts chiming in that they ,or "their mate" got & "they have seen it with own eyes" - but what you won't get is a name , verification ,linked profile of anyone who has done it . Simple reason - it doesn't happen.

Is recruitment to ML going to take place for internals in January 2024 ? Externals month or two after that ?
This is half correct. The EB2 is a hard visa, I do know guys who got it but you need to show national benefit. One got it as a safety specialist, ie contributes to the whole of aviation. Trainers also stand a better chance.

But agreed, letís get back to the QF topic. I know firsthand external opens again in 2024. Assume early 24.
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Old 23rd Aug 2023, 09:45
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Its not national benefit , its of national importance , well beyond a single employer , impacting significant portion of aviation industry . USImmi says proposed employment plan "substantial merit & national importance". Your garden variety TRIs/TRE/Training/Fleet managers at Virgin/QF would have zero possibility. You would really need quals/experience/expertise out of the box

The visa is for the Americans to hover up leading PhDs scientists/engineers with proven research outputs in areas that are important to US national interest

It would be enlightening to see one single solitary Australian on linked or name or something that actual works for a US Major , but we won't because there aren't any as they can't get the visa

Standby for the Walter Mitty's "I say , I say , I say ,My mate , My mate , My mate......." Start a thread for the US Major fiction

External hiring has followed internal hiring over last few years & internals have been told hiring in January 2024

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Old 23rd Aug 2023, 11:47
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With respect Makiko, there's an Immigration Lawyer here in Hong Kong who pioneered the application of EB2 NIW Visa for Pilots.

He's achieved close to 150 EB2 NIW Visas. Most are Pilots. The process can take anywhere from 3-4 to 12 months, with a high success rate. And he's done so with many Nationalities.

This is not hearsay. It's a fact.

That's enough from me and hopefully, the discussion has been put to bed and we can all return to the topic at hand.
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Old 23rd Aug 2023, 12:04
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Not to mention there is a regional and LCC here that will sponsor you for a green card.
Anyone here know when mainline EBA is up for negotiations ?
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Old 23rd Aug 2023, 14:20
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Not to mention there is a regional and LCC here that will sponsor you for a green card.
Anyone here know when mainline EBA is up for negotiations ?
SH expires 31st of this month.

LH expires 30 June 2024
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Old 23rd Aug 2023, 14:40
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Originally Posted by Makiko
Its not national benefit , its of national importance , well beyond a single employer , impacting significant portion of aviation industry . USImmi says proposed employment plan "substantial merit & national importance". Your garden variety TRIs/TRE/Training/Fleet managers at Virgin/QF would have zero possibility. You would really need quals/experience/expertise out of the box

The visa is for the Americans to hover up leading PhDs scientists/engineers with proven research outputs in areas that are important to US national interest

It would be enlightening to see one single solitary Australian on linked or name or something that actual works for a US Major , but we won't because there aren't any as they can't get the visa

Standby for the Walter Mitty's "I say , I say , I say ,My mate , My mate , My mate......." Start a thread for the US Major fiction

External hiring has followed internal hiring over last few years & internals have been told hiring in January 2024
Well for one dropyoursocks on here is an Aussie working for a major.

Thereís another Bankrupt84 starting with AA in a couple of month through the flow through. He won the lottery.

Thereís another thatís at delta that Iím friends with that I knew from back back in 2008 that did the EB2-NIW thing.

Iíve run into at least 2 others that are at Commutair that have been sponsored for green cards, and itís only a matter of time once they have those theyíll move on to a legacy carrier.
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Old 23rd Aug 2023, 15:11
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18 Aussies at United that I know of. And a whole bunch flowing from the regionals or coming from Frontier, Spirit etc …

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Old 23rd Aug 2023, 16:13
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Makiko is trolling at this point. Well hereís to hoping the SH EBA can set the standard for all subsidiaries below
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Old 23rd Aug 2023, 16:26
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Guiseppe if you wish to believe what HLG say well that is your business, it looks like a very "interesting" website to say the least. Really quite boastful & groovy French sounding names , are any of them registered to practice law in any part of the USA

Their tactic of refiling (rather than appealing) a rejected application (as the appeals tribunal , which is independent) will just back the immi officer . To me just seems child like in its lack of sophistication

Another colourful Florida based attorney is claiming 100% strike rate & apparently he has also flown an F16

I would just suggest you look at some of what seem to be some of the more measured appraisals of the EB2 NIW system by say (Scott lawyers or Santos Lloyd) & they are still trying to sell a service. Or the sobering US Govt Website - USCIC

Some of the statements the lawyers make are
" It could be an uphill battle to convince an immigration officer working at USCIS that employment as a commercial pilot for an existing airline has both substantial merit and national importance" & talk about the Dhanser standards

The rest of it all sounds like a bitcoin conference, giddy excitement & people such as Rishworth issuing decrees that its a done deal

If you read how USCIS define (& the tests they apply) with regard what "substantial merit & national importance" are , airline pilots just aren't going to meet threshold

Winning lottery - its a 3% chance for Australians isn't it , commutair was E3 - they weren't sponsoring Australians for greencards

Nobody is saying that there aren't excellent opportunities for Australians to fly in US, but it will be on an two year renewable E-3 atm & not at the majors

People can claim dozens or 50 plus Australians at US majors , but we all know that just isn't true. Whereas a quick internet search will reveal Australians at the regionals, cargo, ulcc . Why can't we find these "phantoms"? - perhaps because they don't exist

But its a wonderful yarn

R290: Not trolling at all, I simply have a different opinion to you & don't have to change it simply because people state "This is how it is". Without producing any evidence

The trollers are those who falsely claim to be working for said Majors & seem to want to come on a Qantas thread , boasting about how much money they are making

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Old 23rd Aug 2023, 16:35
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Originally Posted by Makiko
People come to this thread for QF group stuff not to hear people claiming to be working for US Majors blowing their own horn (its quite unedifying )
Agreed, but people also come to this thread to learn. You made a statement saying that no Aussie citizen can get a green card. I replied saying thatís not entirely true, and I made this statement not to create an argument with you, but to highlight the fact that indeed there is a pathway to the US for an Aussie pilot who is appropriately qualified and willing to go through the process. I know this because I personally know of a pilot who did it, not to mention the hundreds of EB2 NIW green cards that have been granted to pilots of from many nationalities taking advantage of the window of opportunity thatís currently available in the US.

Yes you will get a lot o braggarts chiming in that they ,or "their mate" got & "they have seen it with own eyes" - but what you won't get is a name , verification ,linked profile of anyone who has done it . Simple reason - it doesn't happen.
Seriously? Discussion ends here for me. Enjoy your two stripes mate.
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Old 23rd Aug 2023, 16:48
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Originally Posted by Makiko
Guiseppe if you wish to believe what HLG say well that is your business, it looks like a very "interesting" website to say the least. Really quite boastful & groovy French sounding names , are any of them registered to practice law in any part of the USA

Their tactic of refiling (rather than appealing) a rejected application (as the appeals tribunal , which is independent) will just back the immi officer . To me just seems child like in its lack of sophistication

Another colourful Florida based attorney is claiming 100% strike rate & apparently he has also flown an F16

I would just suggest you look at some of what seem to be some of the more measured appraisals of the EB2 NIW system by say (Scott lawyers or Santos Lloyd) & they are still trying to sell a service. Or the sobering US Govt Website - USCIC

Some of the statements the lawyers make are
" It could be an uphill battle to convince an immigration officer working at USCIS that employment as a commercial pilot for an existing airline has both substantial merit and national importance" & talk about the Dhanser standards

The rest of it all sounds like a bitcoin conference, giddy excitement & people such as Rishworth issuing decrees that its a done deal

If you read how USCIS define (& the tests they apply) with regard what "substantial merit & national importance" are , airline pilots just aren't going to meet threshold

Winning lottery - its a 3% chance for Australians isn't it , commutair was E3 - they weren't sponsoring Australians for greencards

Nobody is saying that there aren't excellent opportunities for Australians to fly in US, but it will be on an two year renewable E-3 atm & not at the majors

People can claim dozens or 50 plus Australians at US majors , but we all know that just isn't true. Whereas a quick internet search will reveal Australians at the regionals, cargo, ulcc . Why can't we find these "phantoms"? - perhaps because they don't exist

But its a wonderful yarn

R290: Not trolling at all, I simply have a different opinion to you & don't have to change it simply because people state "This is how it is". Without producing any evidence

The trollers are those who falsely claim to be working for said Majors & seem to want to come on a Qantas thread , boasting about how much money they are making
You sir, are either a fool, or served by keeping local Aussie pilot conditions in the dirt. Commuteair are literally sponsoring captain qualified Aussies on EB3s. The first recipient of this green card flows to UA at the end of this month. There are now dozens of Aussies flying left seat at commuteair all waiting for their green cards to come through.

UA has at least 18 Aussies that we've found, the most senior of which started in the 90s, the most junior of which has been on property mere months. More are coming.

The point of this is not to be a braggart, as you accuse. We post this on the forum of the premier Australian airline, the pinnacle of the Australian pilot's career, to show that you are worth more than management says you are. We are that proof that you are worth more. The onus is on you to go and get it. And to the Aussies that are discontent with the local offerings, we're proof that Aussies can seek their fortune in the land of the free.
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Old 23rd Aug 2023, 19:23
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Makiko youíre drunk, go home.
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Old 23rd Aug 2023, 23:43
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Word is itís another 14 and they are 330 replacements and Iím sure they wonít be at the launch price that Dickson signed up for and Joyce cancelled most of .
Well todays order announcement is good news - donít care what they paid for them!
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Old 23rd Aug 2023, 23:46
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist
Well todays order announcement is good news - donít care what they paid for them!
24 orders, 26 330s to be retired. Doesnít sound good to me but Iím sure Qantas will say how good it is for promotions like Finnair wet leases.
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Old 23rd Aug 2023, 23:56
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24, with purchase options for moreÖ.plus the newer 330ís will still be around a while yet, hence the refurb.
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Old 23rd Aug 2023, 23:58
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I donít think so (26-24 stuff) Seems like this is the start, but there will be more. It says so in the report.
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Old 23rd Aug 2023, 23:58
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No extra A321XLRs ordered as promised. They said there would be narrow body orders as they want 40+ 321s. There's 75 737s to be replaced over a decade...

24 Wide Bodies but 28x A330s and 12x A380s to go over a decade including the four frames lost since covid.

Very disappointing.

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Old 23rd Aug 2023, 23:59
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24, with purchase options for moreÖ.plus the newer 330ís will still be around a while yet, hence the refurb.
Ah, Options. I forgot how Qantas always exercise those options.

Apologies, history has made me a cynic when it comes to Qantas and their options.
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Anyone counting the A350-1000 order for Sunrise in their numbers?
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