Qantas Recruitment
People come to this thread for QF group stuff not to hear people claiming to be working for US Majors blowing their own horn (its quite unedifying )
But don't get sucked into the tall stories about obtaining an EB2 NIW to work for US Major . The criteria is advanced degree ie: PhD (US immi says "customarily") or "exceptional ability" & the NIW (proposed endeavour has to have substantial merit & be of national importance) . So Aussie pilots won't make advanced degree (only know one PhD airline) , but may well make "exceptional ability" - the minimum 3 criteria (& the weakest) of the 7 criteria. So marginal pass there , but you will have buckleys of meeting NIW criteria , read US Govt websites , even some of the law firms (Scott Legal) fess up to this & state just wanting to come work for Major/Cargo is a weak case. Some case law (appeal around from 2021) outlines it clearly . Where is salesy law firms try to bait people is by stating you meet "exceptional ability" criteria (they neglect to mention very marginally) , but as you guessed mums the word on getting over the NIW criteria - as the good Attorneys know you don't meet criteria. Yes you will get a lot o braggarts chiming in that they ,or "their mate" got & "they have seen it with own eyes" - but what you won't get is a name , verification ,linked profile of anyone who has done it . Simple reason - it doesn't happen.
Is recruitment to ML going to take place for internals in January 2024 ? Externals month or two after that ?
But don't get sucked into the tall stories about obtaining an EB2 NIW to work for US Major . The criteria is advanced degree ie: PhD (US immi says "customarily") or "exceptional ability" & the NIW (proposed endeavour has to have substantial merit & be of national importance) . So Aussie pilots won't make advanced degree (only know one PhD airline) , but may well make "exceptional ability" - the minimum 3 criteria (& the weakest) of the 7 criteria. So marginal pass there , but you will have buckleys of meeting NIW criteria , read US Govt websites , even some of the law firms (Scott Legal) fess up to this & state just wanting to come work for Major/Cargo is a weak case. Some case law (appeal around from 2021) outlines it clearly . Where is salesy law firms try to bait people is by stating you meet "exceptional ability" criteria (they neglect to mention very marginally) , but as you guessed mums the word on getting over the NIW criteria - as the good Attorneys know you don't meet criteria. Yes you will get a lot o braggarts chiming in that they ,or "their mate" got & "they have seen it with own eyes" - but what you won't get is a name , verification ,linked profile of anyone who has done it . Simple reason - it doesn't happen.
Is recruitment to ML going to take place for internals in January 2024 ? Externals month or two after that ?
People come to this thread for QF group stuff not to hear people claiming to be working for US Majors blowing their own horn (its quite unedifying )
But don't get sucked into the tall stories about obtaining an EB2 NIW to work for US Major . The criteria is advanced degree ie: PhD (US immi says "customarily") or "exceptional ability" & the NIW (proposed endeavour has to have substantial merit & be of national importance) . So Aussie pilots won't make advanced degree (only know one PhD airline) , but may well make "exceptional ability" - the minimum 3 criteria (& the weakest) of the 7 criteria. So marginal pass there , but you will have buckleys of meeting NIW criteria , read US Govt websites , even some of the law firms (Scott Legal) fess up to this & state just wanting to come work for Major/Cargo is a weak case. Some case law (appeal around from 2021) outlines it clearly . Where is salesy law firms try to bait people is by stating you meet "exceptional ability" criteria (they neglect to mention very marginally) , but as you guessed mums the word on getting over the NIW criteria - as the good Attorneys know you don't meet criteria. Yes you will get a lot o braggarts chiming in that they ,or "their mate" got & "they have seen it with own eyes" - but what you won't get is a name , verification ,linked profile of anyone who has done it . Simple reason - it doesn't happen.
Is recruitment to ML going to take place for internals in January 2024 ? Externals month or two after that ?
But don't get sucked into the tall stories about obtaining an EB2 NIW to work for US Major . The criteria is advanced degree ie: PhD (US immi says "customarily") or "exceptional ability" & the NIW (proposed endeavour has to have substantial merit & be of national importance) . So Aussie pilots won't make advanced degree (only know one PhD airline) , but may well make "exceptional ability" - the minimum 3 criteria (& the weakest) of the 7 criteria. So marginal pass there , but you will have buckleys of meeting NIW criteria , read US Govt websites , even some of the law firms (Scott Legal) fess up to this & state just wanting to come work for Major/Cargo is a weak case. Some case law (appeal around from 2021) outlines it clearly . Where is salesy law firms try to bait people is by stating you meet "exceptional ability" criteria (they neglect to mention very marginally) , but as you guessed mums the word on getting over the NIW criteria - as the good Attorneys know you don't meet criteria. Yes you will get a lot o braggarts chiming in that they ,or "their mate" got & "they have seen it with own eyes" - but what you won't get is a name , verification ,linked profile of anyone who has done it . Simple reason - it doesn't happen.
Is recruitment to ML going to take place for internals in January 2024 ? Externals month or two after that ?
But agreed, let’s get back to the QF topic. I know firsthand external opens again in 2024. Assume early 24.
Its not national benefit , its of national importance , well beyond a single employer , impacting significant portion of aviation industry . USImmi says proposed employment plan "substantial merit & national importance". Your garden variety TRIs/TRE/Training/Fleet managers at Virgin/QF would have zero possibility. You would really need quals/experience/expertise out of the box
The visa is for the Americans to hover up leading PhDs scientists/engineers with proven research outputs in areas that are important to US national interest
It would be enlightening to see one single solitary Australian on linked or name or something that actual works for a US Major , but we won't because there aren't any as they can't get the visa
Standby for the Walter Mitty's "I say , I say , I say ,My mate , My mate , My mate......." Start a thread for the US Major fiction
External hiring has followed internal hiring over last few years & internals have been told hiring in January 2024
The visa is for the Americans to hover up leading PhDs scientists/engineers with proven research outputs in areas that are important to US national interest
It would be enlightening to see one single solitary Australian on linked or name or something that actual works for a US Major , but we won't because there aren't any as they can't get the visa
Standby for the Walter Mitty's "I say , I say , I say ,My mate , My mate , My mate......." Start a thread for the US Major fiction
External hiring has followed internal hiring over last few years & internals have been told hiring in January 2024
Last edited by Makiko; 23rd Aug 2023 at 10:18.
With respect Makiko, there's an Immigration Lawyer here in Hong Kong who pioneered the application of EB2 NIW Visa for Pilots.
He's achieved close to 150 EB2 NIW Visas. Most are Pilots. The process can take anywhere from 3-4 to 12 months, with a high success rate. And he's done so with many Nationalities.
This is not hearsay. It's a fact.
That's enough from me and hopefully, the discussion has been put to bed and we can all return to the topic at hand.
He's achieved close to 150 EB2 NIW Visas. Most are Pilots. The process can take anywhere from 3-4 to 12 months, with a high success rate. And he's done so with many Nationalities.
This is not hearsay. It's a fact.
That's enough from me and hopefully, the discussion has been put to bed and we can all return to the topic at hand.
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Its not national benefit , its of national importance , well beyond a single employer , impacting significant portion of aviation industry . USImmi says proposed employment plan "substantial merit & national importance". Your garden variety TRIs/TRE/Training/Fleet managers at Virgin/QF would have zero possibility. You would really need quals/experience/expertise out of the box
The visa is for the Americans to hover up leading PhDs scientists/engineers with proven research outputs in areas that are important to US national interest
It would be enlightening to see one single solitary Australian on linked or name or something that actual works for a US Major , but we won't because there aren't any as they can't get the visa
Standby for the Walter Mitty's "I say , I say , I say ,My mate , My mate , My mate......." Start a thread for the US Major fiction
External hiring has followed internal hiring over last few years & internals have been told hiring in January 2024
The visa is for the Americans to hover up leading PhDs scientists/engineers with proven research outputs in areas that are important to US national interest
It would be enlightening to see one single solitary Australian on linked or name or something that actual works for a US Major , but we won't because there aren't any as they can't get the visa
Standby for the Walter Mitty's "I say , I say , I say ,My mate , My mate , My mate......." Start a thread for the US Major fiction
External hiring has followed internal hiring over last few years & internals have been told hiring in January 2024
There’s another Bankrupt84 starting with AA in a couple of month through the flow through. He won the lottery.
There’s another that’s at delta that I’m friends with that I knew from back back in 2008 that did the EB2-NIW thing.
I’ve run into at least 2 others that are at Commutair that have been sponsored for green cards, and it’s only a matter of time once they have those they’ll move on to a legacy carrier.
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18 Aussies at United that I know of. And a whole bunch flowing from the regionals or coming from Frontier, Spirit etc …
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Guiseppe if you wish to believe what HLG say well that is your business, it looks like a very "interesting" website to say the least. Really quite boastful & groovy French sounding names , are any of them registered to practice law in any part of the USA
Their tactic of refiling (rather than appealing) a rejected application (as the appeals tribunal , which is independent) will just back the immi officer . To me just seems child like in its lack of sophistication
Another colourful Florida based attorney is claiming 100% strike rate & apparently he has also flown an F16
I would just suggest you look at some of what seem to be some of the more measured appraisals of the EB2 NIW system by say (Scott lawyers or Santos Lloyd) & they are still trying to sell a service. Or the sobering US Govt Website - USCIC
Some of the statements the lawyers make are
" It could be an uphill battle to convince an immigration officer working at USCIS that employment as a commercial pilot for an existing airline has both substantial merit and national importance" & talk about the Dhanser standards
The rest of it all sounds like a bitcoin conference, giddy excitement & people such as Rishworth issuing decrees that its a done deal
If you read how USCIS define (& the tests they apply) with regard what "substantial merit & national importance" are , airline pilots just aren't going to meet threshold
Winning lottery - its a 3% chance for Australians isn't it , commutair was E3 - they weren't sponsoring Australians for greencards
Nobody is saying that there aren't excellent opportunities for Australians to fly in US, but it will be on an two year renewable E-3 atm & not at the majors
People can claim dozens or 50 plus Australians at US majors , but we all know that just isn't true. Whereas a quick internet search will reveal Australians at the regionals, cargo, ulcc . Why can't we find these "phantoms"? - perhaps because they don't exist
But its a wonderful yarn
R290: Not trolling at all, I simply have a different opinion to you & don't have to change it simply because people state "This is how it is". Without producing any evidence
The trollers are those who falsely claim to be working for said Majors & seem to want to come on a Qantas thread , boasting about how much money they are making
Their tactic of refiling (rather than appealing) a rejected application (as the appeals tribunal , which is independent) will just back the immi officer . To me just seems child like in its lack of sophistication
Another colourful Florida based attorney is claiming 100% strike rate & apparently he has also flown an F16
I would just suggest you look at some of what seem to be some of the more measured appraisals of the EB2 NIW system by say (Scott lawyers or Santos Lloyd) & they are still trying to sell a service. Or the sobering US Govt Website - USCIC
Some of the statements the lawyers make are
" It could be an uphill battle to convince an immigration officer working at USCIS that employment as a commercial pilot for an existing airline has both substantial merit and national importance" & talk about the Dhanser standards
The rest of it all sounds like a bitcoin conference, giddy excitement & people such as Rishworth issuing decrees that its a done deal
If you read how USCIS define (& the tests they apply) with regard what "substantial merit & national importance" are , airline pilots just aren't going to meet threshold
Winning lottery - its a 3% chance for Australians isn't it , commutair was E3 - they weren't sponsoring Australians for greencards
Nobody is saying that there aren't excellent opportunities for Australians to fly in US, but it will be on an two year renewable E-3 atm & not at the majors
People can claim dozens or 50 plus Australians at US majors , but we all know that just isn't true. Whereas a quick internet search will reveal Australians at the regionals, cargo, ulcc . Why can't we find these "phantoms"? - perhaps because they don't exist
But its a wonderful yarn
R290: Not trolling at all, I simply have a different opinion to you & don't have to change it simply because people state "This is how it is". Without producing any evidence
The trollers are those who falsely claim to be working for said Majors & seem to want to come on a Qantas thread , boasting about how much money they are making
Last edited by Makiko; 23rd Aug 2023 at 16:38.
Yes you will get a lot o braggarts chiming in that they ,or "their mate" got & "they have seen it with own eyes" - but what you won't get is a name , verification ,linked profile of anyone who has done it . Simple reason - it doesn't happen.
Guiseppe if you wish to believe what HLG say well that is your business, it looks like a very "interesting" website to say the least. Really quite boastful & groovy French sounding names , are any of them registered to practice law in any part of the USA
Their tactic of refiling (rather than appealing) a rejected application (as the appeals tribunal , which is independent) will just back the immi officer . To me just seems child like in its lack of sophistication
Another colourful Florida based attorney is claiming 100% strike rate & apparently he has also flown an F16
I would just suggest you look at some of what seem to be some of the more measured appraisals of the EB2 NIW system by say (Scott lawyers or Santos Lloyd) & they are still trying to sell a service. Or the sobering US Govt Website - USCIC
Some of the statements the lawyers make are
" It could be an uphill battle to convince an immigration officer working at USCIS that employment as a commercial pilot for an existing airline has both substantial merit and national importance" & talk about the Dhanser standards
The rest of it all sounds like a bitcoin conference, giddy excitement & people such as Rishworth issuing decrees that its a done deal
If you read how USCIS define (& the tests they apply) with regard what "substantial merit & national importance" are , airline pilots just aren't going to meet threshold
Winning lottery - its a 3% chance for Australians isn't it , commutair was E3 - they weren't sponsoring Australians for greencards
Nobody is saying that there aren't excellent opportunities for Australians to fly in US, but it will be on an two year renewable E-3 atm & not at the majors
People can claim dozens or 50 plus Australians at US majors , but we all know that just isn't true. Whereas a quick internet search will reveal Australians at the regionals, cargo, ulcc . Why can't we find these "phantoms"? - perhaps because they don't exist
But its a wonderful yarn
R290: Not trolling at all, I simply have a different opinion to you & don't have to change it simply because people state "This is how it is". Without producing any evidence
The trollers are those who falsely claim to be working for said Majors & seem to want to come on a Qantas thread , boasting about how much money they are making
Their tactic of refiling (rather than appealing) a rejected application (as the appeals tribunal , which is independent) will just back the immi officer . To me just seems child like in its lack of sophistication
Another colourful Florida based attorney is claiming 100% strike rate & apparently he has also flown an F16
I would just suggest you look at some of what seem to be some of the more measured appraisals of the EB2 NIW system by say (Scott lawyers or Santos Lloyd) & they are still trying to sell a service. Or the sobering US Govt Website - USCIC
Some of the statements the lawyers make are
" It could be an uphill battle to convince an immigration officer working at USCIS that employment as a commercial pilot for an existing airline has both substantial merit and national importance" & talk about the Dhanser standards
The rest of it all sounds like a bitcoin conference, giddy excitement & people such as Rishworth issuing decrees that its a done deal
If you read how USCIS define (& the tests they apply) with regard what "substantial merit & national importance" are , airline pilots just aren't going to meet threshold
Winning lottery - its a 3% chance for Australians isn't it , commutair was E3 - they weren't sponsoring Australians for greencards
Nobody is saying that there aren't excellent opportunities for Australians to fly in US, but it will be on an two year renewable E-3 atm & not at the majors
People can claim dozens or 50 plus Australians at US majors , but we all know that just isn't true. Whereas a quick internet search will reveal Australians at the regionals, cargo, ulcc . Why can't we find these "phantoms"? - perhaps because they don't exist
But its a wonderful yarn
R290: Not trolling at all, I simply have a different opinion to you & don't have to change it simply because people state "This is how it is". Without producing any evidence
The trollers are those who falsely claim to be working for said Majors & seem to want to come on a Qantas thread , boasting about how much money they are making
UA has at least 18 Aussies that we've found, the most senior of which started in the 90s, the most junior of which has been on property mere months. More are coming.
The point of this is not to be a braggart, as you accuse. We post this on the forum of the premier Australian airline, the pinnacle of the Australian pilot's career, to show that you are worth more than management says you are. We are that proof that you are worth more. The onus is on you to go and get it. And to the Aussies that are discontent with the local offerings, we're proof that Aussies can seek their fortune in the land of the free.
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Makiko you’re drunk, go home.
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No extra A321XLRs ordered as promised. They said there would be narrow body orders as they want 40+ 321s. There's 75 737s to be replaced over a decade...
24 Wide Bodies but 28x A330s and 12x A380s to go over a decade including the four frames lost since covid.
Very disappointing.
24 Wide Bodies but 28x A330s and 12x A380s to go over a decade including the four frames lost since covid.
Very disappointing.
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Anyone counting the A350-1000 order for Sunrise in their numbers?