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Old 7th Sep 2018, 04:27
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Qantas, like many other workplaces follows whatever the latest hiring fad is. HR love making stuff up that has seemingly no scientific basis.

Asking me during an interview whay my biggest fear is could possibly be the stupidist question I have ever been asked. If you or someone you know who is a strong candidate didn't get past application stage they were probably weeded out on one of many worthless criteria come up with by HR.
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Old 7th Sep 2018, 04:28
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Ex RAAFies are awesome though..

..and humble.

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Old 7th Sep 2018, 09:48
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Greenfields, this was your original allegation.

...you fairly recently put forth a piece stating that all the RAAF pilots applying should be placed at the top of the recruiting process, to be handled before all others?
Thats a very different thing from what your latter post.

Wothout posting the full full transcript of email/ SMS I fired off, here is the guts if it... perhaps the part of the story you weren’t told.

1. I’ve advocated for every pilot who meets the minimum criteria to do the psychometric testing. That way you find the ‘diamond in the rough’; the best psychometric pilots irrespective of experience. Sure there are more parts to the process but the psych helps builds a more complete picture.

2. Given that a line in the sand was drawn I questioned why we arbitrarily drew that line based purely on resumes and excluded some of the best trained pilots in Australia- RAAFies. I used the RAAF pilots of an example of why I felt the recruitment process was fundamentally flawed. In that respect I did ask if we were drawing a line in the sand, why were these people (as well as multi thousand hour regional jet pilots) excluded.

3. So no, not holding a pilot group above all others. Using them as an example of a flawed process and I suspect yours and my positions on all people should be progressed is virtually identical.

That’s not your perception of my position though so agian i suspect the version provided to you has not had some critical context. I’ll presume that was done of ignorance and not to tarnish my reputation.


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Old 7th Sep 2018, 10:22
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What a tedious thread this has become......
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Old 8th Sep 2018, 06:13
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It sure has!
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Old 9th Sep 2018, 02:49
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Cognitive dissonance.

Originally Posted by Keg
Iíve advocated for every pilot who meets the minimum criteria to do the psychometric testing. That way you find the Ďdiamond in the roughí; the best psychometric pilots irrespective of experience. Sure there are more parts to the process but the psych helps builds a more complete picture.
Iíve removed the number so as to make it less tedious.

Perhaps the tediousness of this thread comes more from the often snide, passive aggressive, often personal attacks rather than an Ďopinionated individualí responding to those things?

My humble thanks to those colleagues Iíve run into at work who encourage or thank me for something Iíve said on PPRUNE that resonates. Interestingly the rock throwers on PPRUNE never say anything to my face.

1. Anyway...
2. Enjoy the rest of your weekend folks.
3. Hooroo.

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Old 9th Sep 2018, 07:07
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Originally Posted by pilotchute
Asking me during an interview whay my biggest fear is could possibly be the stupidist question I have ever been asked. If you or someone you know who is a strong candidate didn't get past application stage they were probably weeded out on one of many worthless criteria come up with by HR.
Be careful with this question, know a guy who was going for a mining job in WA who was asked this question, his response was something happening to his family. When he was rejected they said they had concerns he may struggle with being away from home for extended periods of time........ An no - i'm not joking
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Old 9th Sep 2018, 10:06
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Originally Posted by logansi
Be careful with this question, know a guy who was going for a mining job in WA who was asked this question, his response was something happening to his family. When he was rejected they said they had concerns he may struggle with being away from home for extended periods of time........ An no - i'm not joking
I don't doubt that for a second - and is the reason HR, and the power it appears to now wield in our industry, gives me the $hits...
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Old 9th Sep 2018, 12:25
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Just replace 'your' with 'their' when formulating your reply.
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 05:54
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So today we find out the additional 6 787 are starting to arrive next year not April 2020 as I believe was announced. Sydney basing will open earlier and therefore in my opinion pilot recruitment will have to pick up.
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 06:53
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Revised schedule was announced previously, around May I think. Extra 787s (6) starting 2019 with the last arriving mid 2020... so old news but your point remains valid
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 09:58
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Originally Posted by crosscutter
Revised schedule was announced previously, around May I think. Extra 787s (6) starting 2019 with the last arriving mid 2020... so old news but your point remains valid
Correct, my apologies, Iím hearing they are working on some form of sweetener to entice 747 crew to go there to avoid a RIN. What that is I donít know.
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 10:49
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In either case, middle seniority and junior crew get screwed again.
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 11:31
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Originally Posted by goodonyamate
In either case, middle seniority and junior crew get screwed again.
How is that?
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 11:42
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Originally Posted by dragon man
Iím hearing they are working on some form of sweetener to entice 747 crew to go there to avoid a RIN. What that is I donít know.
That would have to be some sweetener.
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 11:54
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Originally Posted by ruprecht


That would have to be some sweetener.
Another email denying VR will ever happen again on the 747
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 13:51
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Originally Posted by mmmbop
Sending every RAAF pilot to conduct psychometric testing without conducting a resume review first EQUALS placing all RAAF pilots at the top of the recruiting process.

No matter how much an individual tries to argue it isn't.
JFC. He made it clear that *every* pilot (RAAF, GA, Regional, hell..... even Navy) who meets the minimum criteria should proceed to psychometric testing. How that places RAAF at the top is beyond me. You can be the Wicked Witch of the West with 2000 hours on a broomstick. If that meets the minimum criteria set by the airline, you proceed to recruitment testing. End of story. How is that biased towards or against anyone?
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 21:11
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Virgin dropped their mins to pretty much nothing at the start of 2018. What surprises me is the people getting interviews still have roughly the same CV as people did before the mins drop.

1500+ hours with 500 multi crew or multi PIC still seems to be what is wanted. I don't understand what they expect to achieve by dropping the mins if their expectations haven't changed.

With Qantas it's anyone's guess what they are after. The whole industry is confused. The mins should reflect the experience needed to at least get a face to face or a psychometric assessment.
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Old 13th Sep 2018, 22:00
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I gather that from Sept 1 under part 61 CASA has told Qantas that the initial second officer type check will now include sequences below 20,000, one of these been the candidate must be able to land the simulator in a 20 knot xwind with an engine out. IMO this makes previous experience highly relevant and simulator check as part of the employment process very relevant.
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Old 14th Sep 2018, 00:04
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Originally Posted by pilotchute
With Qantas it's anyone's guess what they are after. The whole industry is confused.
I did enjoy the quote from one of our newer SO's:

"I don't really like aviation, I'm just really good at it..."

That is not a joke.
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