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Old 24th Aug 2023, 09:02
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The fleet of WBs (or no of WB seats) has stayed pretty static for 25 years & that has been disappointing. But a number of new routes & that is something & I guess you got to start somewhere & it seems some purchase rights

With any luck QF will move away from the JIT approach to flight crew hiring & have an surplus of 15/20%

If the numbers remain as planned & as is occurring now (& since 2016 , excluding Covid) it is already the largest ongoing recruitment of Qantas ML ever (600 or so since late 2016) & at least 1500 next decade

What people want to know is how to best position themselves for an SO job. With 140 of the Qlink (dash) pilots on the HF I would have thought that is pretty obvious
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Old 24th Aug 2023, 09:14
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The fleet of WBs (or no of WB seats) has stayed pretty static for 25 years & that has been disappointing. But a number of new routes & that is something & I guess you got to start somewhere & it seems some purchase rights

With any luck QF will move away from the JIT approach to flight crew hiring & have an surplus of 15/20%

If the numbers remain as planned & as is occurring now (& since 2016 , excluding Covid) it is already the largest ongoing recruitment of Qantas ML ever (600 or so since late 2016) & at least 1500 next decade

What people want to know is how to best position themselves for an SO job. With 140 of the Qlink (dash) pilots on the HF I would have thought that is pretty obvious

(DYS : that is useful information for people who want to take the USA route , but it doesn't seem CAir have been doing that for very long - are they still. Much better than believing in 4% chances at lotteries or that a pilot will get a NIW. Its good that so many Australians have enjoyed success in the USA, but lets face facts many apply to QF ML, not aware of any QF ML resigning to go across Pacific)
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Old 24th Aug 2023, 09:20
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
Can someone tell this mob to match Ďbonusesí to income (progressive bonus system).

$6,000 means a lot more to a MAM or Altara cabin crew member on $40k and paying 15% tax a year then it does to a Pilot on $250k paying 45%.
Its actually 19% not 15%
If you are unhappy paying 45% tax on a bonus take a pay cut down to $40k

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Old 24th Aug 2023, 09:49
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The Qantas bonus system is straight from Orwells Animal Farm, all animals are equal but some are more equal than others.
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Old 24th Aug 2023, 09:49
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Originally Posted by Makiko
not aware of any QF ML resigning to go across Pacific
That is true, but also remember that anyone wanting to go overseas wouldn't join ML in the first place so that skews perceptions.

Qantas (as with all legacies) essentially locks you tighter the longer one is there too. Waiting 10-20 years for a command is not the best way to realise any overseas ambitions, much less so if most of any experience is limited to the back seat.

There are plenty who want to climb the 10-20+ year ladder to command at Qantas, but plenty too who want to get a wide body window seat in the US ASAP - something that was never avaliable in my early days.
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Old 24th Aug 2023, 10:01
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Originally Posted by Makiko is a dumbarse
not aware of any QF ML resigning to go across Pacific)
I personally know one. A few more have done it. Not in big numbers. Probably single digits. You can be sure though plenty have turned down a start date.

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Old 24th Aug 2023, 11:18
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Lapon it may well be that they didn't get invited to do aptitude/psych , only 25% of externals did in 18 & 22. Or they didn't get through interview/sim

The wage data that Atlas was presenting in 22 was so far from reality it wasn't funny & not exactly an express ride to LHS

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Old 24th Aug 2023, 11:21
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And plenty are turning down a ML start date too. Mainly due to the appalling Airbus SO B scale.
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Old 24th Aug 2023, 12:06
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Yes the ML contract is just outrageous
Much better to be working for regionals, ulcc on two year renewable visa
Only half of people turning up to ML first day
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Old 24th Aug 2023, 13:19
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Originally Posted by Makiko is a dumbarse
Only half of people turning up to ML first day
Not true.
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Old 24th Aug 2023, 20:08
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Youíre a bit of a tool Makiko.

Folks want info. about QF recruitment, and the best you can do is deflect conversation and ridicule US opportunities when your straw man argument proves you know squat.

Some personal favourites so far. Correcting a Cathay guy on his own career trajectory. Proclaiming to a bunch of Aussie United/Delta pilots on this forum that no Australian pilots work for the US majors. Or ignoring the fact many Australians have converted an E3 Visa to green card and are working at the majors, or soon could be.

Smart people know to keep quiet about matters they know nothing about. Competition from better opportunities overseas might help recover some of the eroded conditions Australian pilots have suffered the past few decades. You seem to have a hard time understanding that.
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Old 25th Aug 2023, 02:07
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Just remember the $500 "credit" can only be used once Qantas is unable sell that seat to literally any other person for any price i.e. it can only be used if the flight is just about to go with an empty seat.
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Old 25th Aug 2023, 03:34
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Originally Posted by dragon man
The Qantas bonus system is straight from Orwells Animal Farm, all animals are equal but some are more equal than others.
"We'll give them a $500 Staff Travel Credit which they can never use......."


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Old 25th Aug 2023, 04:01
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Yes, give them improved priorities and a credit for flights they can't get on as our network is such a shambles. Talk up the $5k which is two years old and only paid after they accepted a pay freeze which cost most staff way more than $5k over their career and give them shares which we buy back anyway to inflate the price to help our own bonuses..... Genius.
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Old 25th Aug 2023, 06:28
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I can’t believe there’s not more of a revolt about the bonus or lack thereof. We group staff have been to hell and back for this company. After working to pull through covid and sacrificing so much now the company makes record profits we get $500 travel credit. Watch and see what Joyce gets. All group employees should be absolutely disgusted by this
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Old 25th Aug 2023, 09:18
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Originally Posted by nvfr
I canít believe thereís not more of a revolt about the bonus or lack thereof. We group staff have been to hell and back for this company. After working to pull through covid and sacrificing so much now the company makes record profits we get $500 travel credit. Watch and see what Joyce gets. All group employees should be absolutely disgusted by this
Make a post on the companies social thing (Viva Engage?) the post regarding staff travel seemed to have some success.
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Old 25th Aug 2023, 13:39
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Thatís too busy at the moment with infighting over where the liability sits regarding some kids handing out water bottles on a flight 🤦‍♂️
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Old 27th Aug 2023, 11:38
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Does anyone have the latest on whether it is feasible/ likely within a reasonable timeframe, to move from qlink to mainline? Or is it best to start elsewhere and apply direct entry? TYIA
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Old 29th Aug 2023, 01:25
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Originally Posted by skypilot646
Does anyone have the latest on whether it is feasible/ likely within a reasonable timeframe, to move from qlink to mainline? Or is it best to start elsewhere and apply direct entry? TYIA
Feasible: Possible to do easily or conveniently (Oxford dictionary).

In short, the answer these days is a big fat no. It is definitely not feasible/ likely within a reasonable time frame to move from Qlink to mainline. All the proof is in these pages and pages of warnings and stories of woe here on pprune with the occasional ďI told you soĒ for those who didnít listen.

However, it is possible to easily and conveniently move from Rex and virgin ie. the opposition airlines to Mainline within a very reasonable timeframe. Fair or unfair, thatís just how it is currently. You can either work the system to your advantage or get frustrated trying to fight the system.
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Old 29th Aug 2023, 02:23
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Some people I know don't have an internal mainline start until 2025. So allow 3 years from interview date if you are internal....best to go external or watch all your external colleagues pass you even though you have been loyal to "qantas"
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