Qantas Recruitment
So strange there’s an obsession with “training pay”. Most airlines in the US do it, first year pay is 30-50% lower than second year, even at the legacies. When I first joined CX (RIP) I was paid $2k for 3 months of “training” for my licence conversion. Does it suck? Yes. Is it common? Absolutely.
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I’ll tell you what flyboy, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. It’s approximately (because I can’t be stuffed looking up the exact figure) $2,500k a fortnight before tax, and per diems. 6 months is probably not an accurate timeline for SO training at the moment, they’re getting through quite quickly in most cases (and going to Singapore for the 330, nice per diems there). I did mine in the planned 12 weeks.
So if you want to run with your claim of the training allowance paying for the type rating, I’ll do the maths for you. Difference in pay between a checked to line SO and an SOT for the 330 is approximately $6k (after tax) over the 12 week period. Can barely pay for 2 sessions in a sim with that. Little bit of a difference to Atlas which is around $30k (when you account for first year and second year pay difference).
So if you want to run with your claim of the training allowance paying for the type rating, I’ll do the maths for you. Difference in pay between a checked to line SO and an SOT for the 330 is approximately $6k (after tax) over the 12 week period. Can barely pay for 2 sessions in a sim with that. Little bit of a difference to Atlas which is around $30k (when you account for first year and second year pay difference).
Cheers
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Actually you could be correct On Guard, maybe it’s about $2,500 after tax, not before. Like I said, I couldn’t be bothered looking up the exact figure for a bloke (Flyboy) who’s done nothing but take the **** out of Qantas pay for a while now.
So strange there’s an obsession with “training pay”. Most airlines in the US do it, first year pay is 30-50% lower than second year, even at the legacies. When I first joined CX (RIP) I was paid $2k for 3 months of “training” for my licence conversion. Does it suck? Yes. Is it common? Absolutely.
Incidentally, when I started flying airlines at Ansett, full pay plus $2000 cash. Middle East carrier after AN full pay. Cathay Dragon full pay, $5000 cash and an optional $20,000 interest free loan.
Hopefully this helps dispel any normalisation of training pay!
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Why do people run around in circles on here?
Current QF SOT training salary is $12,436.69 per 56 day bid period.
That’s $80,838.49 annually plus allowances.
Training is around 12 weeks with expected training overseas as cyclic sims are prioritised for the Australian sims.
So expect $18,655.04 plus allowances. Gross $4,663.75 per fortnight
Presuming two weeks in Singapore, that’ll be $5,600 tax free allowances.
If Bangkok, that’ll be $3,990 tax free allowances.
Plus 10 weeks of Australian allowances if you train outside of your assigned base.
Current B scale SO base salary is just under $120k/year. So $27,616.44 every 12 weeks.
The pay difference between training wage and So salary $8,961.40 over 12 weeks.
If you upgrade internally, you will remain on your previous pay until checked to line. i.e. B737 FO to A330 FO, you will retain 737 pay until checked.
Current QF SOT training salary is $12,436.69 per 56 day bid period.
That’s $80,838.49 annually plus allowances.
Training is around 12 weeks with expected training overseas as cyclic sims are prioritised for the Australian sims.
So expect $18,655.04 plus allowances. Gross $4,663.75 per fortnight
Presuming two weeks in Singapore, that’ll be $5,600 tax free allowances.
If Bangkok, that’ll be $3,990 tax free allowances.
Plus 10 weeks of Australian allowances if you train outside of your assigned base.
Current B scale SO base salary is just under $120k/year. So $27,616.44 every 12 weeks.
The pay difference between training wage and So salary $8,961.40 over 12 weeks.
If you upgrade internally, you will remain on your previous pay until checked to line. i.e. B737 FO to A330 FO, you will retain 737 pay until checked.
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Why do people run around in circles on here?
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With negotiations starting I think it’s important to point out areas where we can improve. There’s no reason to have a training wage (just like there was no reason to vote for a ‘B’ scale). It’s easy for us to sit back and ignore it but for many reading this thread it does or will impact them somewhat. We have an opportunity to improve. I’ll leave EA speak to other threads and let this thread get back on track.
Negotiations aren’t starting, the current EBA hasn’t even expired.
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Secondly, you spew on people for including Per Diems and the very next post you do the same... C'mon Man
It’s approximately (because I can’t be stuffed looking up the exact figure) $2,500k a fortnight before tax, and per diems. 6 months is probably not an accurate timeline for SO training at the moment, they’re getting through quite quickly in most cases (and going to Singapore for the 330, nice per diems there). I did mine in the planned 12 weeks.
I actually did that more to take the piss out of you, I knew exactly what I did 
With negotiations starting I think it’s important to point out areas where we can improve. There’s no reason to have a training wage (just like there was no reason to vote for a ‘B’ scale). It’s easy for us to sit back and ignore it but for many reading this thread it does or will impact them somewhat. We have an opportunity to improve. I’ll leave EA speak to other threads and let this thread get back on track.
Go through previous posts here. It’s been clearly explained the ultimatum that the former international CEO placed on LH pre Covid.
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That concept is obviously missed by you.
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Well you don’t seem too bright to me, coming on here asking Qantas pilots to interpret the EA for you and info on recruitment “for a mate”, when they are the same people you’ve made a habit of attacking with childish smart arse insults.
Little surprise no one wants to help you out.
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