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Old 8th Aug 2023, 13:34
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So strange there’s an obsession with “training pay”. Most airlines in the US do it, first year pay is 30-50% lower than second year, even at the legacies. When I first joined CX (RIP) I was paid $2k for 3 months of “training” for my licence conversion. Does it suck? Yes. Is it common? Absolutely.
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Old 8th Aug 2023, 14:35
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My first 6 months was approximately $50k. That included allowances for training in Sydney. Still better than full pay at my previous RPT job.
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Old 8th Aug 2023, 19:27
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Originally Posted by morno
I’ll tell you what flyboy, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. It’s approximately (because I can’t be stuffed looking up the exact figure) $2,500k a fortnight before tax, and per diems. 6 months is probably not an accurate timeline for SO training at the moment, they’re getting through quite quickly in most cases (and going to Singapore for the 330, nice per diems there). I did mine in the planned 12 weeks.

So if you want to run with your claim of the training allowance paying for the type rating, I’ll do the maths for you. Difference in pay between a checked to line SO and an SOT for the 330 is approximately $6k (after tax) over the 12 week period. Can barely pay for 2 sessions in a sim with that. Little bit of a difference to Atlas which is around $30k (when you account for first year and second year pay difference).
Morno, I read in eba10 that SOT training pay just increased to about $3100/fort in July before tax. $12436/56 days. Is my reading correct?

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Old 8th Aug 2023, 20:47
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Actually you could be correct On Guard, maybe it’s about $2,500 after tax, not before. Like I said, I couldn’t be bothered looking up the exact figure for a bloke (Flyboy) who’s done nothing but take the **** out of Qantas pay for a while now.
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Old 8th Aug 2023, 21:17
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Originally Posted by cxflog
So strange there’s an obsession with “training pay”. Most airlines in the US do it, first year pay is 30-50% lower than second year, even at the legacies. When I first joined CX (RIP) I was paid $2k for 3 months of “training” for my licence conversion. Does it suck? Yes. Is it common? Absolutely.
My airline in the US can’t retain pilots so it’s full pay from day one. Wouldn’t have gone otherwise.

Incidentally, when I started flying airlines at Ansett, full pay plus $2000 cash. Middle East carrier after AN full pay. Cathay Dragon full pay, $5000 cash and an optional $20,000 interest free loan.

Hopefully this helps dispel any normalisation of training pay!
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Old 8th Aug 2023, 22:40
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Why do people run around in circles on here?

Current QF SOT training salary is $12,436.69 per 56 day bid period.

That’s $80,838.49 annually plus allowances.

Training is around 12 weeks with expected training overseas as cyclic sims are prioritised for the Australian sims.

So expect $18,655.04 plus allowances. Gross $4,663.75 per fortnight

Presuming two weeks in Singapore, that’ll be $5,600 tax free allowances.

If Bangkok, that’ll be $3,990 tax free allowances.

Plus 10 weeks of Australian allowances if you train outside of your assigned base.

Current B scale SO base salary is just under $120k/year. So $27,616.44 every 12 weeks.

The pay difference between training wage and So salary $8,961.40 over 12 weeks.

If you upgrade internally, you will remain on your previous pay until checked to line. i.e. B737 FO to A330 FO, you will retain 737 pay until checked.



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Old 8th Aug 2023, 22:54
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Why do people run around in circles on here?
the sane people who are interesting in QF already know all this. It’s only those who are desperate to justify some previous decision that keep throwing stones. Just ignore them.
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Old 8th Aug 2023, 23:15
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With negotiations starting I think it’s important to point out areas where we can improve. There’s no reason to have a training wage (just like there was no reason to vote for a ‘B’ scale). It’s easy for us to sit back and ignore it but for many reading this thread it does or will impact them somewhat. We have an opportunity to improve. I’ll leave EA speak to other threads and let this thread get back on track.
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Old 8th Aug 2023, 23:40
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Negotiations aren’t starting, the current EBA hasn’t even expired.

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Old 9th Aug 2023, 01:32
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Originally Posted by morno
+ Per Diems, isn’t that falsely inflating your pay? At least that’s what I’ve read from many who are **** canning pay at Qantas. So what you’re saying is that your base pay in the first year, is less than a Qantas SO? (97.60x64x12 = 74,956/0.67 = $111,875 AUD)
Firstly, it is not my pay as I am not associated with Atlas and the + Per Diems was included to show that you will actually get per diems on top of the hourly rate, while on training - for illustrative purposes.

Secondly, you spew on people for including Per Diems and the very next post you do the same... C'mon Man

Originally Posted by morno
It’s approximately (because I can’t be stuffed looking up the exact figure) $2,500k a fortnight before tax, and per diems. 6 months is probably not an accurate timeline for SO training at the moment, they’re getting through quite quickly in most cases (and going to Singapore for the 330, nice per diems there). I did mine in the planned 12 weeks.
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Old 9th Aug 2023, 01:33
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I actually did that more to take the piss out of you, I knew exactly what I did
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Old 9th Aug 2023, 03:45
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Originally Posted by Duck Pilot
Unpaid whilst under training with Qantas???

How low can the Australian aviation industry go?
The key word there was could. It was a hypothetical.
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Old 9th Aug 2023, 03:54
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So, with that huge allocation released recently at JQ, how many hold filers have turned down QF to stay for a Command or wide body slot. Heard it's quite a few.
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Old 9th Aug 2023, 04:02
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
With negotiations starting I think it’s important to point out areas where we can improve. There’s no reason to have a training wage (just like there was no reason to vote for a ‘B’ scale). It’s easy for us to sit back and ignore it but for many reading this thread it does or will impact them somewhat. We have an opportunity to improve. I’ll leave EA speak to other threads and let this thread get back on track.
You’re not bright are you?

Go through previous posts here. It’s been clearly explained the ultimatum that the former international CEO placed on LH pre Covid.
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Old 9th Aug 2023, 05:14
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Originally Posted by soseg
You’re not bright are you?

Go through previous posts here. It’s been clearly explained the ultimatum that the former international CEO placed on LH pre Covid.
I can assure you son that I’m bright enough to recognise ‘ultimatums’ made by people whose bonuses rely on achieving the lowest cost base from a Pilot group are ridiculous and should be completely ignored.

That concept is obviously missed by you.
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Old 9th Aug 2023, 06:16
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
I can assure you son that I’m bright enough
Well you don’t seem too bright to me, coming on here asking Qantas pilots to interpret the EA for you and info on recruitment “for a mate”, when they are the same people you’ve made a habit of attacking with childish smart arse insults.
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One thing Qantas Pilots are known for internationally is talking themselves up (and enjoying golf in the rain).
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Qantas Pilots trying to inflate their poor base salary using allowances… nothing new.
The Bin Chickens of international aviation.
Little surprise no one wants to help you out.
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Old 9th Aug 2023, 10:21
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
I can assure you son that I’m bright enough to recognise ‘ultimatums’ made by people whose bonuses rely on achieving the lowest cost base from a Pilot group are ridiculous and should be completely ignored.

That concept is obviously missed by you.
Again, proving my point. Scroll through past posts here on pprune to get some context.

You're either stupid or you're blind. Do you need crutches for your eyes?

Choose one.
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Old 9th Aug 2023, 10:45
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Originally Posted by soseg
Again, proving my point. Scroll through past posts here on pprune to get some context.

You're either stupid or you're blind. Do you need crutches for your eyes?

Choose one.
Keep voting yes champ. Maybe they’ll let you be Captain one day.
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Old 9th Aug 2023, 10:54
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
Keep voting yes champ. Maybe they’ll let you be Captain one day.
Oof. Champ. Nice.
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Old 9th Aug 2023, 20:27
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Originally Posted by cLeArIcE
So, with that huge allocation released recently at JQ, how many hold filers have turned down QF to stay for a Command or wide body slot. Heard it's quite a few.
have heard heaps to turn QF down
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