DUBLIN - 2

[Jamie2k9]

Other Dublin page has being closed.

Blue Air have announced a second route from Dublin to Bacau from March 31. Operates on Thursdays and Satudays.

[dublindispatch]

Maybe just maybe the green shoots of new business then please god!! Maybe WW may take over the ex-FR routes?

[Jamie2k9]

New Ryanair route between Dublin - Ibiza.

[irish lad]

Does anyone know if Air India have made a decision as to where their new European base is to be located?
Have T2 been enough to impress them

[Jamie2k9]

A few weeks ago in the press in India they said the AI had chosen DUB as their hub but nobody really knows where they will go or it they will have one.

[Just a spotter]

If anyone's interested, DUB is closed until 19:00 due to snow.

JAS

[Jamie2k9]

When American Airlines resume flights between DUB-ORD next April they will be operated by a B767-300. Last summer they had a B763 but it only started on the route on June 10th.

[dublindispatch]

If we make it to next summer!!! Lets get this winter out of the way first lol

[Kavs8]

Seriously dangerous at DUB today one of the lads said braking action was actualy dead on 0% when checkers where out, Cork's main RWY got de-iced every hour from 5.30 upto 9 and then again around lunchtime, on top of that there was a tech fault with EI882 to AGP!!

[brianoh]

Jamie, where did you see that article about Air India? This is the most recent that I could find:

Aer Lingus rule out zero fares in future | Irish Examiner (http://www.examiner.ie/business/aer-lingus-rule-out-zero-fares-in-future-137600.html)

But there's no confirmation from the Indian media there but I am aware that Declan Collier & co. had agreed to operate some of the facilities in the airport in New Delhi which may set the ball rolling.

If it does come off, it would be interesting to see what aircraft they'll operate the flights with. Can't see their A310's being a runner.

I know we've had this discussion before, but when you think back to the April ash cloud and how Etihad were able to use B777's to get to Abu Dhabi from DUB, would the 747-400's or 777-200's that Air India have be able to get to India and the US in one go from DUB?

We're all aware that either fuel, cargo or passengers have to be sacrificed for these aircraft to do their magic from DUB so bearing in mind the above and the fact that Air France & Singapore Airlines operate B747 cargo planes to DUB, does anyone know could Air India put enough juice in their current planes to attain the above or is the Gulf the furthest you would get?

On a different note, looks like Cyprus Airlines will be operating the flights to Larnaca this coming summer along with Thomson - could this be the start of something more permanent as they were on the DAA's hitlist recently?

[Jamie2k9]

It was a few weeks. I herd it off somebody. If you ask me it not going to happon.

[victoria73]

At DUB apart from the checkers,who else works along side them in airside operations.

[Jamie2k9]

Dublin closed again until 00:30 at the earliest.

[Kavs8]

At DUB, ORK & SNN (DAA - Airports) all de-icing, runway clearing and general clearing of the airfield is privately contracted by Airport-Int Corp.

[NorthernCounties]

Their closing the runway at 12:45 to clear the snow thats accumulated. Flights have either been delayed or suspended.

[dublindispatch]

Not again!!!!

[Jamie2k9]

More problems at the airport. The airport has reopened but fuelling companies refusing to operate on the ramp, claiming hazardous conditions. According to Ryanair website.

[Sober Lark]

A reviewable put up or shut up air tax of €3 and a DAA incentive.

[dublindispatch]

I just hope its the shot in the arm that we have all been waiting for at the Airport. May just be the thing to make carriers take a look at Dublin again!

[dublindispatch]

Would Be Guessing That There Mite Be Some Announcments At The Holiday World In The Rds In Jan Based On The Reduced Tax And New Route Schemes!

[Angry Rebel]

Presumably Capitalising Every Word Makes The Post More Interesting?! :rolleyes:

[dublindispatch]

no smart a*** just forgot was in caps

[Angry Rebel]

Eh not likely. If you were in Caps the whole thing would be in capitals.:8

[NorthernCounties]

Now now, both of you, put your handbags away! :=

[dublindispatch]

A handbag!!! How rude

[wanna_be_there]

is the AA DUB-ORD service still going to be axed next winter?

Ive just checked the 'new service routes' tab on the AA site, and whilst JFK-MAN has been moved to the 'non seasonal' section, ORD-DUB is still in the 'seasonal' section?

[Jamie2k9]

AA will return year round flights to ORD from next March. Currently it's bookable into Novemer just like all AA routes.

It will be a B767-300ER until October 29 and the B757 will start back on the route from Oct 30 when the AA winter season starts.

[eireoflot82]

DAA's €24m property punt now worth just €8m - Irish, Business - Independent.ie (http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/daas-euro24m-property-punt-now-worth-just-euro8m-2457799.html)
Good to see our masters of the universe continue to earn their pittance.Why grouse over blind pensions when we have our titans of industry guiding the ship of state into the bermuda triangle. :rolleyes:

[Jamie2k9]

Dublin - Stuttgart begins 27 March
Dublin - Perpignon begins 29 March
Dublin - Izmir begins 04 May

It's been a while since this happoned.

Aer Lingus: Travel Information - New Routes 2011 (http://www.aerlingus.com/travelinformation/weboffersfromireland/newroutes2011/)

[dublindispatch]

The ADB was a long time coming, that will do a roaring trade I wud say

[Kavs8]

so much for the crap about a LH DUB-MUC route :ugh:

[Droghwings]

There will be a LH Dub-Muc service...but only once a week! Dunno why LH dont have a daily service given the amount of onward connecions available through their Muc hub.

[dublindispatch]

Maybe the once a week mite be tied into a german holiday company bring in tourists. Dont forget not all flights are just for us in Ireland some may be for those in Europe who want to come and see want a multi billion bail out buys you these days!

[Kavs8]

try booking it and when you find a flight (DIRECT) tell us when then ...

[Droghwings]

LH2514 Muc-Dub 1505-1630
LH2515 Dub-Muc 1715-2030

Direct flight only available on Saturday
Available to book Lufthansa.ie

[dublindispatch]

Seems kinda pointless really at once a week unless as i said before its more for incomin tourists.

Dont forget that the Air Italy and Arkia flights in Dublin amongest others charter flights for incoming tourists too Ireland.

[Kavs8]

Maybe it's the fact that there's been a lot of mueller talk from Dublin bringing in those extra german pax.

[ImPlaneCrazy]

Passed through DUB a few days ago and noticed that Terminal 2 is now completeish... although there didn't seem to be that many flights op'ing out of there only Etihad by the sounds of things? What is the overall plan for T2?

[airhumberside]

Seems kinda pointless really at once a week unless as i said before its more for incomin tourists.
Thats the market it will be aimed at. LH do a lot of such flights. Other examples include DUS-INV/NQY/JER

[Jamie2k9]

What is the overall plan for T2?


Currently it only Eithad and around 5 Aer Lingus flights arriving daily.

In Jan Aer Lingus will transfer to T2 and US carriers will aswell.

[Kavs8]

At work today there was an in-term statemet from DAA as Priority to double check all engine covers at dispatch. It says in relation to SOU-BE incident, was there an accident recently involving engine cowlings/Covers.

[Just a spotter]

From the DAA, 7th December 2010

The Grow Incentive Scheme will see Dublin, Cork and Shannon airport effectively waiving all airport charges for passenger traffic once an overall threshold of 23.5 million passengers is reached during 2011.

DAA Launches New Incentive Scheme to Encourage Traffic Growth At Its Three Irish Airports (http://www.daa.ie/media-centre/press-releases/071210.html)

JAS

[dublindispatch]

Maybe it might just bring some work to Dublin that helps out other than just EI and FR staff. Airlines that SHP/Servisair might get a shot at handling would be gud to see or existing carriers expanding on what they have already acchieved in Dublin so far ie LH/BD/BE/0B/BT etc etc

[Jamie2k9]

Some good news Delta is putting a A330-300 on the DUB -ALT route for the months of June, July and August for all other months it will be a B767-300.

[clareview]

Good news re the A330 - remember the days of the Tristar then the MD11 and, for a short time, the B777 from ATL to Dub

[dublindispatch]

An A330 how nice! Are all the odd AA/BA flights on the DAA webpage arrivals test flights for T2 or real flights because of the wetaher situation?

[Jamie2k9]

Both the AA flights match with JFK and ORD - LHR flight numbers. I think they are 2 B777. The Delta was JFK - LHR i think but not sure.

[dublindispatch]

Ha at least the DAA is getting T2 used then!!

[j_davey]

2 AA 772's
2 BA 744's
1 DL 764
1 VS 346(with no towbar in Dub)

How nice !
-Jd

[EC-ILS]

The DL diversion was DL40 MSP-LHR.

the rest were

AA98 ORD-LHR
AA116 JFK-LHR
BA182 JFK-LHR
BA196 IAH-LHR
VS251 PVG-LHR

[wanna_be_there]

At least one of the AA B777'S have since departed, and the DL40 has transferred over to MAN.

[EI321]

DAA still in talks with Air India apparently.

DAA in 'detailed' talks on T2 with Air India - The Irish Times - Mon, Dec 20, 2010 (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2010/1220/1224285914462.html)

I'll believe it when I see it.

[Skipness One Echo]

1 VS 346(with no towbar in Dub)

Thought it was the same as the A330 or was the nose gear beefed up too?

[MarkD]

Also an AC 763 apparently:
Air Canada Boeing 767 C-FMWP | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/38016434@N05/5274211617/)

[Jamie2k9]

Air Canada did divert to Dublin. Also Ryanair's take on Air India.

News : DAA 'Cowboys' TO PAY 'Indians' to use T2 (http://www.ryanair.com/en/news/daa-cowboys-to-pay-indians-to-use-t2)

Flights suspended until 21:30. Suprised they could stay open until now. They was very heavy snow falling since 16:00.

[akerosid]

Another cheap dig at the DAA; nothing new here. Good for the DAA if they can reel AI in; ok, initially. there might not be that many tourists, but India is a rapidly growing economy and potentially a massively important export market. Of course, you wouldn't expect FR to see the whole picture.

[irish lad]

Dublin is now closed until 23.00

[eireoflot82]

it is important to expand trade links with the bric countries and aviation is a key component of this.but if the daa have put themselves in a position where the success of t2 is only judged by the diversity of tails at the new development then they have left themselves open to cheap pr stunts like the coffin incident last month.

[dublindispatch]

Do not also forget the cargo potential to and from DUB to India is huge. OK SQ may not have been able to fill a 74F frm Dublin to go out that way but i would guess that even a few pallet positions in the belly of a 777 would more than make up for a low pax load upstairs.

But on the whole it does seem to be a story that just wont die. The interesting points of the article are not the AI angle as far as I can see but the mention of other carriers who seem interested all be it none mentioned.

And regarding tow-bars from what I am told from ground engineers that i think it is an inverted 757 tow bar fits an MD11 and such other "tricks" all be it not technically correct but can be done.

Would the DAA want an A340 powering off stand!!!!!!!!

[Jamie2k9]

Just herd on RTE news that if Dublin Airport doesn't reopen later tonight passengers flying with Aer Lingus will suffer a lot as Aer Lingus have 17 aircraft grounded in LHR.

[fivejuliet]

17? thats 2/3 the fleet. I'm somewhat skeptical :ugh:

[Tooloose]

I think you're right. The report said they are out of position. It didn't say where they are but it seemed that they were in a number of places none of which is Heathrow.

[Noxegon]

Yeah, it was seventeen out of position. Don't think the fine folks at LHR would allow EI to park that many of their aircraft at once...

[Jamie2k9]

Ya they are all not at LHR. It was just they way I herd about 17 a/c and then it went talking to LHR.

[DannyKelly22]

Runway now open again, Air Canada aircraft getting ready to taxi, The BA aircraft has taxied and the American is cleared for take off on runway 18. Hope all those EI aircraft get returned tonight.

[Charlie Roy]

Hope all those EI aircraft get returned tonight.

4x EI's and 3x FR's making their way from Cork to Dublin.
2x EI's and 1x FR's making their way from Shannon to Dublin.

Many EI's over Northsea and London direction Dublin.
FR's over Benelux and Southern England, most on their way back to Dublin.

[Shamrogue]

Here we go again. Virtual radar full of little blips over Ireland

[dublindispatch]

and again, and again, and again!!!!

[Noxegon]

Feel sorry for those cancelled; my father's home-for-christmas flight has just been rescheduled for the 26th...

[Jamie2k9]

All Ryanair, Aer Lingus and Aer Arann flights cancelled for the rest of the day as DAA can't confirm if the airport will reopen tonight.

All Aer Lingus US flights due to arrive in the morning are all cancelled except one flight from New York due at 05:15.

[Jamie2k9]

Dublin now closed until 08:00 tomorrow. 15cm fell since 12:30 today.

[Shamrogue]

I see, EI have been quick off the mark and putting up the cancelled flag. Anyone know FR's plan?
Will the early morning's be cancelled or delayed?

Regards
Shamrogue

[ayroplain]

Latest I have heard is:

FR asking that only pax with confirmed bookings for flights after 8am should present themselves at DUB.

EI "hiring in larger aircraft" to clear backlog and putting on some extra flights. Subject to weather.

[Jamie2k9]

All Ryanair arrivals and departures are cancelled until 09:25 when the first Ryanair flights to Malaga departs. In total 50 arrivals and departures cancelled.

[dublindispatch]

Dont all shoot me down lads when I ask this but have the problems at DUB been just the weather, lack of equipment at Dublin, lack of investment at Dublin by whomever or bad management of the above. Or just a combination off all of the above or none of the above??

[EI Premier]

Dont all shoot me down lads when I ask this but have the problems at DUB been just the weather, lack of equipment at Dublin, lack of investment at Dublin by whomever or bad management of the above. Or just a combination off all of the above or none of the above??Quite simply - the weather. The ground crews at DUB have done a fantastic job in getting the airport operational so quickly again.

LHR had 10.7CM of snowfall, DUB has had at least double this amount and still managed to only have the airport non operational for a relatively short period of time.

The snowfall in the greater Dublin area yesterday was unprecendented and has approached 1982 levels in several areas. How often do we get a shallow area of LP on the Irish Sea driving continuous, heavy snow streamers downwind from the Isle of Man onshore across the general East for more than 12 hours?

The crews at DUB have coped remarkably well, given the dry compacted nature of this snowfall and the fact that we are seeing a prolonged weather event that is at the very least a one in fifty year event, but more likely leaning towards one in seventy five years in terms of extremes.

[Jamie2k9]

Extra Ryanair flights on Dec 23.

News : Extra flights - Belgium, France, Ireland, Poland & UK (http://www.ryanair.com/ie/news/extra-flights-belgium-france-ireland-poland-and-uk)

[Noxegon]

There's an extra EI to JFK tomorrow too. Shows as operating by 767; I wonder where they got that one from.

[Sober Lark]

Are 110,000 pax using T1 in DUB today and only 1 or 2 flights using T2?

[Jamie2k9]

That amount is according to RTE news.

[Jamie2k9]

Don't work there but when the runway reopened this morning the main airm was to get as many planes off the ground as most stands were full. They said there would be delayes for incoming aircraft to get to stands.

[brianoh]

Having looked at the link on EI321's post, either Declan Collier is talking a good game or we could see a few new arrivals in DUB in the next 2 years. Any bets as to who the Gulf Carriers who have "huge interest" in coming aboard T2 are? A return for Gulf Air to Dublin? There are still rumours doing the rounds about Emirates so they could be a runner. And Oman Air's CEO Peter Hill said last month that they are "looking at another European country but this could not be revealed at the present time". Might having been talking about us though he did not mention any expansion plans into North America. Their all A330 long-haul fleet would easily be able to cope with DUB's runway irrespective of whether going to Muscat or the States.

Does anyone have any idea also if the perspective airlines would stop in Dublin on the way back to the Middle East / Asia / Africa or is that only on the way over to avail of the Customs Clearance? If it's the latter, then I guess we won't be getting a pletoria of new destinations after all!

[Jamie2k9]

More problems for Ryanair passengers arriving back to Dublin form Wroclaw tonight. The flight has being delayed by 14 hours and is now due in Dublin at around 14:00 on Dec 23. Delay is due to freezing fog in Wroclaw and the crew are now out of hours. Another FR flight to Glasgow and a Wizz Air flight to Cork have also beiing grounded.

[Bearcat]

EIDW closed till 13.30 due rwy snow and cleanup. Disaster for punters and crews. I hear Eithad diverting to EINN.:(

[Ian Brooks]

Turkish and Swiss have ended up here in Manchester


Ian B

[ericlday]

JOR155 Bucharest-Baneasa diverted to Luton

[CaptainSox]

Anybody know if it likely to open at 13:30?? :ugh:

[Jamie2k9]

Flights resumed at 13:00 from RTE.

[Jamie2k9]

Ryanair having another go at the DAA.


Ryanair said it could not understand the need to close the airport for such a long period.

The Dublin Airport Authority said it thought the closure was necessary and it was disappointed with Ryanair's comments.



Flights resume at Dublin Airport - RTÉ News (http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1223/weather_main.html)

The DAA can't do anything right when it comes to Ryanair. If they kept it open Ryanair would still have a go.

The runway may close again lather:


1440 RTÉ's Ray Kennedy says 'there is heavy snowfall once again at Dublin Airport and reduced visibility. The runway is open for now'.

[CaptainSox]

Where were going...we dont need runways! Cop on Ryan Air.:ugh:

Thanks for the info Jamie

[Jamie2k9]

News : Ryanair Criticizes DAA Failure to Clear Runway Quickly (http://www.ryanair.com/ie/news/ryanair-criticizes-daa-failure-to-clear-runway-quickly)

What about all the other airports in Europe which closed??

[Jamie2k9]

Flights suspended at Dublin since 18:30. Not expected to reopen until 23:00. According to Ryanair passengers travling tomorrow can expect:

Ireland - Dublin - Fog delays expected
Germany - Widespread snow, delays and cancellations possible at all airports
Belgium - Brussels Charleroi - Snow, delays and cancellations possible
France - Paris Beauvais - Snow, delays and cancellations possible
Poland - Widespread snow, delays and cancellations possible at all airports

[Sober Lark]

Light snow + other factors = correct decision to close runway and delay flights.

We can never have light snow + other factors + bully boy tactics = pressure to open runway.

[Jamie2k9]

Dublin now closed until 05:00 tomorrow.

[STOL]

December 23 2010

Weather Disruption at Dublin Airport

Safety is Dublin Airport’s key priority at all times and we only ever suspend operations for safety reasons.

As soon as our regular safety checks deem it unsafe for an aircraft to land or to take off, we have to suspend flight operations. We then work to clear the snow and ice as quickly AS possible, but we only ever resume flight operations when it is safe to do so.

We are acutely aware of passengers’ frustration, particularly at this time of year, but we have to put their safety and the safety of the crews who fly the aircraft, first at all times. Safety guidelines are constant, 365 days of the year.

Our staff are currently working around the clock to ensure that as many people as possible can get home or away for Christmas. It would be preferable if Ryanair focussed all its energies in joining the other airlines and service providers at the airport, in helping us all meet this objective.

Safety is the Dublin Airport Authority’s key priority and we would hope that it is Ryanair’s as well.

[racedo]

Safety is the Dublin Airport Authority’s key priority and we would hope that it is Ryanair’s as well.

In which case they should be happy to tell everybody how much they have spent on capital equipment since Feb 2009 in ensuring the airport can stay open or reopen quickely during snow and ice.

What is the bets that they have spend less on equipment to keep the airport open during snow that the salaries, expenses and bonuses for the board of directors since Feb 2009.

[840]

Or the advertising campaign for terminal 2...

Someone somewhere should be asking themselves whether it's better to tell everyone about your fancy new terminal or to actually have it in use.

[Jamie2k9]

The days before the airport closed the DAA managed to clear 90,000 tunnies of snow. I think Credit where Credit is due, passengers at the airport today were even saying that they done everything possible to keep the runways open. I do accept that more investment is needed and the T2 add was a complete waste of money. Even tonight 15,000 tonnes has to be removed.

Dublin Bus will operate Air link services until 10:30am on Christmas Day if the airport is open.

Ryanair and Aer Lingus expect to operate until about 6am on Christmas Day. A final decision will be made on weather to open on Dec 25 by the airlines and the DAA lather today.

Passengers who are completely stranded will be allowed to stay in the airport on Christmas Day.

[Tooloose]

Nice debating technique from our old frind racedo. When the debate goes against you, ignore the facts, change the subject and/or make personal attacks on anyone making a valid point.

[racedo]

Tooloose

In Feb 2009 the airport was closed because DAA were incapable of ensuring they were able to clear the snow and enable safe movement around the airport, this happened last winter and yet again this winter.

Fact is other airports across Europe are more than capable of putting in the investment to ensure continued operations while DAA do the minimum.

IF safety is a priority then why have they not been investing in it.

[Bearcat]

I find Ryanairs statement on their website appalling:=. Yes the airport is a mess but the trolls like racedo add nothing but village idiot demensia to the thread. The rwy closed yesterday evening again because of persistent snow but most important braking action was quoted as poor which threw a grenade into the process for landing aircraft. Numerous FR flights refused to accept landing clearance with the poor reports. I don't know what happened to them but FR's comment re more sweeping equipment wouldnt have made a damn difference re whether the airport would have remained open longer.....crews were running out of hours everywhere so I suppose you have to blame someone as per the FR culture. Similar weather at Chicago O'Hare last week closed the airport, likewise they have multiple rwys so when the active rwy starts to receed re useability they have a hot spare ready to go. Dublin does not have this capacity or facilty....in that sweeping rwy 16 intersects with taxiways for rwy 28 and would impede upon the 28 threshold....not a runner.

The bottom line is the DAA will not come unscathed from this......heavies cant get onto their stands due non movement of other aircraft so no one is still not going anywhere and place is creaking at the seams there. :{

[Tooloose]

racedo,
Bearcat is quite right that there could be investment to improve the situation. The first requirement is a parallel runway which would allow one to remain in use as the other is cleared. Of course, when this was proposed it was opposed tooth and nail by guess who..oh yes Ryanair. Ryanair didn't need a parallel runway so it shouldn't be built. Major airports like Chicago, JFK, Heathrow, Amsterdam, Brussels and Frankfurt were all closed over the past weeks. They all have multiple runways.They are not short of investment or experience in dealing with adverse weather conditions. If DAA had spent €5m on new equipment in the past year and there was no snow we would be deafened by the howls of protest and condemnation from MOL and his various mouthpieces and such profligate waste. Dealing with adverse weather is not as simple as racedo.

[Based]

Can everyone please bear in mind that Ryanair are specifically referring to the closure yesterday morning (23rd), they haven't critised the closures in general. Suggesting that safety isn't of primary importance to both the DAA and Ryanair is just silly. Does everything have to revolve around being pro/anti Ryanair or DAA? My personal view is that the DAA have done a pretty decent job in general dealing with the current conditions. None of us can comment on the true situation and circumstances but the two instances that raise a few questions in my mind (given the conditions at those times) are not attempting to have the airport open for the first wave of departures on Wednesday morning (stated 8am, actually opened around 7am) and the length of the closure yesterday morning.

[racedo]

Can we deal with the issue of DAA and its under investment in equipment to ensure the safe operation of the airport in inclement weather rather than resorting to personal abuse please.

[PleasureFlyer]

Perhaps of Ryanair paid a fair and reasonable amount in fees instead of screwing every last cent out of the airports then they (DAA) might have money to invest in more equipment.

[Charlie Roy]

Now a light aircraft blocking runway at DUB, runway closed for an hour. At least 2 Aer Lingus aircraft diverting to Cork. A couple of Ryanair aircraft seem to be diverting to Liverpool/Manchester.

[Red Paddy]

Hi Bearcat,

Just a few points.

Despite the scale of this year's snow at Dublin Airport, the scope of the operational shutdowns is nothing short of inexcusable, especially given the experience gained last winter. In that sense Ryanair is quite correct in calling for an investigation.

Firstly look at the actual snow clearance procedures at Dublin, many of which go against the international practices I have seen employed throughout Europe.

Nothing happens until a closure actually takes place. There is no continual clearance at Dublin when snow is falling. The trucks don't come out until all operations stop. Certain sections of taxiway could be closed and cleared while the runway remains open.

Partial runway clearance can still take place while snow is still falling. This seems to be lost on those giving the clearance trucks the "go".

Small scale runway shutdowns for 15 minutes per hour should be enough to maintain continual operations, with trucks ready to roll immediately if the situation dictates.

This does not happen.

There is also an insistence on clearing 100% of the runway when keeping 15m either side of the centre line clear is sufficient to maintain operations.

Also, while aircraft may not be able to accept BA Poor reports, operations can continue with any higher BA reports. There is no actual need to return 100% of the runway to BA Good in one single sweep, when it is well above the standard actually required to operate. Return the runway to say BA Medium and use small scale 15 minute closures thereafter to continually improve it's condition, therby reducing the downtime and minimising diversions. Aircraft simply do not carry enough fuel to hold for 4 hour stoppages. Diversions have massive knock on scheduling implications.

The level of preparedness must also be called into question. The de ice fleet at Dublin looks quite lightweight in comparison with other airports. It also seems this year the DAA spent some money hiring in a fleet of privately owned snow plough equipped tractors for apron and stand clearance. A few nights ago during a closure with heavy snowfall they were sitting idle.

Airports with much heavier snow falls and much more sever temperatures manage to maintain somewhat continuous operations, so it is absolutely correct for an airline to call into question an airport's handling of the situation when there are seemingly obvious flaws in the methods employed.

In early October I witnessed the de ice fleet out on runway 11/29 for a practice run. My feeling was that there might actually be a proper plan in place this year. There has been an improvement in the estimated reopening times, however everything else seems the same.

One wonders did any consultation take place with airports further east and north who have vast experience in this area? Seems like a simple idea. Review and amend Dublin's contingency plans accordingly.

I have to admit being caught offside myself this year. I was forced to go in search of a snow shovel to clear a path for my car. I was informed on arrival at my local branch of a well known DIY chain, that while they had recieved a shipment of same that morning, a (desperate) DAA had already bought every last one!

Says it all!

Happy Christmas!

[Jamie2k9]

Now a light aircraft blocking runway at DUB, runway closed for an hour. At least 2 Aer Lingus aircraft diverting to Cork. A couple of Ryanair aircraft seem to be diverting to Liverpool/Manchester.


Airport reopened at 17:00.

Ryanair diverting to Manchester and Liverpool because of no de-icing fluid left in SNN and ORK as well as what happened to FR with de icing fluid in BFS the other other day.

Ryanair have had to put security guards at Check-in desks as passengers are taking their tempers out on the check in staff.

[racedo]

Perhaps of Ryanair paid a fair and reasonable amount in fees instead of screwing every last cent out of the airports then they (DAA) might have money to invest in more equipment.

Really, do you want to go with that !!! DAA 2009 profits were €38 Million and airport charges increasing massively when the Irish economy has been in deflationary mode.

DAA management caught out again and again with bad weather.

[Jamie2k9]

Dublin is a major airport and the current charges are well below other major european airports. But there is no point is in talking about what Ryanair pays the DAA.

DAA management caught out again and again with bad weather.

Just like LGW, LHR, EDI etc. Dublin remained open while there were closed with the same snow fall.

Next people will be saying that the airport should of being kept open when the light aircraft blocked the runway.

[Sober Lark]

Commentary such as we heard from one of their biggest customers was a big mistake and the DAA came out the winners. Although commenting on sliding off the runway in Prestwick seemed to have broken one of those unwritten aviation no no rules I thought. Still it drove home a point and defined a line not to be crossed which was educational to us all.

[akerosid]

Good morning - and happy Christmas one and all!

Just a few comments on the snow debate:

"Nothing happens until a closure actually takes place. There is no continual clearance at Dublin when snow is falling. The trucks don't come out until all operations stop. Certain sections of taxiway could be closed and cleared while the runway remains open.

Partial runway clearance can still take place while snow is still falling. This seems to be lost on those giving the clearance trucks the "go".

Small scale runway shutdowns for 15 minutes per hour should be enough to maintain continual operations, with trucks ready to roll immediately if the situation dictates.

This does not happen."

So, do you want to see snowploughs in action while the runway is still open - and aircraft in the hold above, waiting to land? Surely it makes sense to let as many aircraft land -and then start clearing the runway?

Also, can you be certain that this is the DAA's own practice, or one mandated by the IAA?

I was one of the lucky ones yesterday and managed to get in at about 10.10 on the EI 203 from MAN and let me say that EI treated pax very well indeed. The conditions at the airport were severe and we were kept holding on a taxiway for about half an hour before a parking stand was available.

I think the big question should be put to US Airways, which kept over 200 pax on its flight 723 ... for seven hours, and then cancelled!

[Noxegon]

Yeah, that one is/was completely nuts. Do the DOT regulations apply given that it's a US airline?

[eu01]

Ryanair have had to put security guards at Check-in desks as passengers are taking their tempers out on the check in staff.I think Ryanair did a bad mistake by cancelling several flights to Poland. These guys flying now to Gdansk and elsewhere have once initiated the fall of communism in Europe, so... better be careful in the future, as they might be better prepared next year!

To my understanding, there is a widespread irritation about this fact in Polish media.

[Callsign Kilo]

For those seeking to blame individual operators over the problem at DUB over the last few snow filled weeks heres some operational insight.

The airport duty manager will close the main runway at a drop of a hat under the advise of the airport fire authorities. It is always a minimum of four hours for clearing. You tell me any other airport in the world which takes a minimum of 4 hours to clear a runway just over 2600m long after it has stopped snowing? Ok I understand that continual or sporadic snow causes additional problems, however you still do not require the length of time that the snow clearing teams at DUB actually took.

I was sitting on the ramp last week observing the commotion over the r/t. There must have been around 15 a/c awaiting departure. It was clear by looking out the window that the runway would be closed. Crew were asking Delivery what the status was with regards to delays and potential closure; they had seen the writing on the wall. All credit to ATC, they were being pushed; yet they reacted as professionally as possible, given the limited information that they were being supplied. Bare in mind that people were making operational decisions based on this information - boarding passengers, de-icing, fuelling etc.

Finally the runway was closed due to contamination. A minimum of 4hrs was given. This eventually was extended. The very fact that the runway was closed meant, fairly obviously, that no arrivals or departures could occur. Yet the airport fire service proceeded to waste time in order to gather information on the depth of contamination. I couldn't fathom the reason for this. They had closed the runway, it required to be cleared - so clear it!

Last year I witnessed a deicing team at NCL clear a runway to a required width (30m) and a required depth (3mm - however we can take up to 13mm dependent upon weight and thrust rating) in under 10mins. The runway is 2500m long. I would very much doubt the authorities at DUB were aware that most operators using medium haul a/c could take 30m width and up to 13mm depth. It was fairly obvious because during the day in question they became obsessed with the fact that the last 2/3 of the runway had patches of contamination of up to 20mm and had ATC report it on several occasions after it was measured. 2/3 of the runway at 20mm! As soon as the measured over 13mm (or anything close to it) they should have known that was it. Times a wasting you had better get clearing!!

I don't know what procedures regarding snow clearing at DUB actually are. But judging by what has occurred and the length of time that it actually took not only this year but indeed last; something needs to be seriously overhauled. The DAA cannot play roulette and simply say that the weather was freakish and is unlikely to occur again. It has been two years in a row now, has cost millions of euros and cost massive disruption. The DAA are already gambling with a reputation that has taken a massive kick in the you know whats.

[Jamie2k9]

think Ryanair did a bad mistake by canceling several flights to Poland. These guys flying now to Gdansk and elsewhere have once initiated the fall of communism in Europe, so... better be careful in the future, as they might be better prepared next year!

To my understanding, there is a widespread irritation about this fact in Polish media.


Completely agrees. Ryanair could of canceled flights to ACE, AGP etc which would of being a problem but most of them would be Irish and they have family to spent Christmas with. Most Polish people only go back once or twice a year to see family. Ryanair could of handled it a lot better.

To the best of my knowledge Aer Lingus get all if not most passengers to Krakow and Warsaw with larger planes and extra flights which all went.

[Callsign Kilo]

Jamie, you cannot compare two operations an their ability to operate all flights to every destination.

EI have a comparatively small operation into Poland as compared to FRs. Poland equally experienced some fairly poor weather which caused extensive delays (I know - I experienced these first hand). There will have obviously been an operational consideration - slot times, deicing availability, aircraft rotation for later sectors. I'm not suggesting FR should be supported for every decision that they make, however I'm wise enough to know that they don't decide to operate a flight and therefore cancel another because it is more important to get a couple of Paddys down to Lanzarote for Xmas

[Jamie2k9]

There were problems in Poland mainly Wroclaw with freezing fog and some Snow in Gdansk. Ryanair have 255a/c. Only around 200 were operating over the last week. They could of braught in more aircraft and they can't say there was no dei cing fluid left as a lot are parked across Europe.

A Dublin based a/c had to wait in East-Midlands for an aircraft as the Dublin a/c had to operate a flight to/from East-Midlands on Wednesday and the Dublin crew were waiting for the next a/c to arrive in East-Midlands to go back to Dublin. Those 4 hours 30 minutes could of almost operated a flight between Dublin - Poland and back.

At least Aer Lingus hired larger planes. Why couldn't FR do the same? To much money. Aer Lingus flights were arriving in Dublin until 4:30am today. Ryanair flights stopped at around 17:45 except a flight from ACE which was delayed by 8 Hours due to ATC problems in ACE.

I just think that Ryanair could of taken a few better decisions and not spent so much time getting one up on the DAA.

[Faire d'income]

Dublin's largest operator cannot operate on runways cleared to 30m, they need 45m.

Even though there was no snow yesterday morning the chaos was partially down to the knock on effect of the previous runway closures but also partially down to the combined incompetency of the DAA and the airlines.

Aircraft from cancelled flights were left sitting for hours on stands that then became unavailable for operational flights. Aircraft were left sitting on taxiways for up to an hour after landing waiting for the now limited number of stands. The DAA needed to clear remote parking for these aircraft but the airlines and handling agents made a mess of towing these aircraft out of the way.

All of the airlines seemed to be reacting by the minute instead of working off plans. As soon as flights go off schedule it all falls apart. Why does it seem to be so hard to co-ordinate, fueling, boarding, doors closed, steps/jetway removed, de-icing, push-back etc? We had aircraft everywhere at various stages of readiness but none completely ready and it dragged on and on. This of course blocked the remaining available stands.

A lot of the blame must go to the DAA but the airlines and handling agencies must take their share.

For balance it must be mentioned that all of the crews, terminal staff and in particular the ramp staff played a blinder considering the pressure and freezing conditions.

[Red Paddy]

Hi Akerosid,

"So, do you want to see snowploughs in action while the runway is still open - and aircraft in the hold above, waiting to land? "

This is exactly what needs to happen, although the runway would actually be closed, but for a very short while. It is what happens everywhere else. I had one go around last week so they could perform a sweep at a central european airport. Vectored around immediately for another approach. Lost 10 minutes. Runway almost exactly the same length as Dublin.

What is lost on the DAA is that there is no need to completely clear the runway, just improve it. Is there something the DAA knows that nobody else does, or is it the other way around? The latter I'm afraid.

Callsign Kilo, it appears we were working the same night.

Faire d'income, is that 45m restriction related to the long haul fleet or does it apply to the narrowbodies also? If so, that's surely a company restriction that could be put under review. It seems excessive.

If widebody only, the runway could initially be cleared to 30m to get traffic moving and then continually improved with small closures to the full 45m.

The problem with these 4 hour closures is that it causes aircraft to divert and there are massive numbers of flight cancellations.

Simply improve the runway to a sufficient standard with small closures, and there are no diversions, airlines schedules survive with delays of course, but without cancellations. No aircraft out of position. No stranded passengers.

And please, please, please mobilise the fleet quicker. I suspect people are pulled off other jobs to drive the deicing trucks.

Jamie2k9,

It appears you were not keeping track of Aer Lingus cancellations too closely yesterday afternoon. The entire operation fell like a deck of cards. Aircraft may have arrived back at 4:30 am but when almost all outbounds after 4pm were cancelled there were interesting scenes at departures I hear. Chanting, angry crowds. Tomorrow's papers should be interesting.

I'm wondering as to your motives in turning this into a EI v FR thing.

Everyone had their problems. This is the Dublin Airport thread and the performance of the DAA did absolutely nothing to help airlines maintain their schedules. Both EI and FR suffered as a result.

[Jamie2k9]

I know Aer Lingus departures were cancellded around 4pm. I was in departures and there was very angry passengers over cancelled flights. The runway closure yeaterday couldn't be helped and the DAA wasn't expecting this to happon. I didn't mean it to become EI v FR but Ryanair could of done more to help passengers but we all know everybody wasn't going to get home no matter what any airline did.

[Telstar]

Faire d'income

Dublin's largest operator cannot operate on runways cleared to 30m, they need 45m.

I can only presume you are talking about Ryanair? If you are your statement above is absolutely untrue. They can operate in and out of a runway with a cleared width of 30m with some extra crosswind penalty and to 30m paved runways with specific approval.

[Faire d'income]

Ryanair to cut Dublin-based aircraft in protest of airport authority's charges, tourist tax | ATW Online (http://atwonline.com/airports-routes/article/ryanair-cut-dublin-based-aircraft-protest-airport-authoritys-charges-tourist)

You presume wrong.

If Ryanair cut the number of aircraft based there to 12 because of a tax then surely it wouldn't possibly re-route aircraft from other bases, as it would still incur the same tax?

Either they lie or Aer Lingus are the biggest operation at Dublin, simples.

[Jamie2k9]

Ryanair always make out the cuts to be bigger that ther are:

Summer 2010: Ryanair said only 15 a/c would be based but there was 18 a/c based.
Winter 2010: Ryanair said there would only be 12 a/c based but there are 13 a/c based. (14 a/c for a few weeks around Christmas)

[Jamie2k9]

More Turkey flights 2011 with new Irish tour operator Wings Abroad.
Sky Airlines - Dublin - Bodrum from May 1 once weekly.
Tailwind Airlines - Dublin - Izmir from May 1 once weekly.

[dublindispatch]

The travel press seem to think that Turkey is the place this summer but i am surprised at the number of companies doing Turkey, maybe these two are in lieu of someone else as i would be surprised that a new tour operator could fill 2 aircraft themselves in the first season at least. But still bring it on, all new business is good this coming summer to make up for last years slump.

[Jamie2k9]

There will be a big increase in charter flights from Dublin in 2011 coopered to 2010.

2010 aircraft based:
Monarch - 1 A320 (9:30 Thursday - 22:30 Sunday), 1 A321 (7:30 Friday - 22:40 Sunday)
Thomson - 1 A320 (all the time)
Europe Airpost - 1 B733 (all the time)
Czech - 1 A321 (8:00 Friday - 18:00 Sunday)

2011 aircraft based:
Monarch - 2 A321 (7:30 Friday - 22:30 Sunday)
Thomson - 1 B738 or B752 has to be confirmed (all the time)
Europe Airpost - 2 B733 (all the time)
Czech - 1 A321 (13:00 Thursday - 05:00 Monday)

[fivejuliet]

Last summer the Thomson A320 was shared with Shannon and Cork, so was only part-time in Dublin.

[Jamie2k9]

Not Cork just Shannon and Derry.

2010:
Dublin - Palma - Shannon - Palma - Dublin (Tuesday)
Dublin - Reus - Derry - Reus - Dublin (Wednesday)
In Dublin every other day.

2011:
Dublin - Palma - Shannon - Palma - Dublin (Tuesday)
In Dublin every other day.

The MON aircraft are also shared with ORK and SNN on Sundays but that has always happoned.

[fivejuliet]

It also did a DUB-ACE-SNN-ACE-DUB rotation..

[Jamie2k9]

Ya forgot about that but what I mean is the change in based aircraft for 2011. I know that they do W flights but they are mainly operating from Dublin.

[dublindispatch]

Thw word on the street is that the TOM 738 this summer is a Canadian Sunquest 738.

[Jamie2k9]

Aer Lingus have also added 3 extra direct flights to Boston insted of going via SNN.

dublindispatch have you any idea of the total passenger numbers who used the airport. I think it would be around 19.5 million but with the weather in December it should be lower. DAA haven't relased November of December numbers yet. Up until october it was 16.5 million.

[Airbus321-200]

As far as i know the TOM plane for this year is a C-reg Sunwing 737-800. The same thing XL did in 07/08.

[dublindispatch]

So thats 8 seats more than the a320 from last year, at least is more than less seats.

Will Onur Air have a bigger programme does any one know

[Jamie2k9]

Onur Air is the same at the minute but some tour operators add flights around Feb or Mar but Pegasus Airlines which Falcon use will have new flights to Dalaman once weekly.

[dublindispatch]

Any updates in the Air India saga?

[NorthernCounties]

Does anyone know when any substantial amount of aircraft will use T2. Aer Lingus still don't seem to have moved! :ugh:

[wanna_be_there]

Any updates in the Air India saga?


They now go direct from India. Full stop.

Why are people still expecting this to happen? Why would they go from direct back to a stop in Europe?

-The Pre border clearance is no use to them, as there will be no time saved, as it will take longer to decend, unload, reload, take off than it will to go direct and add to that possible hold times.

-Cost more due to an extra set of landing fees for DUB and more fuel

-There is no real traffic prospect to pick up from from DUB, BHX for example can offer 2-3 times more traffic than BUD could.

Surely now it is time this one was buried???

[Jamie2k9]

They may not come but the DAA and Air India were still in talks just before Christmas.

[dublindispatch]

OK then, its just that the Irish Times before christmas stated that the DAA was still in talks with them. SO do we take it from that then that T2 is as we all thought the white elephant of the celtic tiger or is there any glimmers of a possible chance that maybe if the conditions are right and that any issues can be over come that no one wants to use it.

[wanna_be_there]

They may not come but the DAA and Air India were still in talks just before Christmas


I dont think they will come either, I think the DAA is chasing a carrot that they will never get to eat!
Whilst it is good the DAA are talking to airlines, I just wouldnt be able to understand the logic of Air India changing from non-stop to a 1 stop service, and lets face it, DUB only has the PBC going for it, so like I said in my previous post, the benefits will be null and void by adding the stop.


SO do we take it from that then that T2 is as we all thought the white elephant of the celtic tiger or is there any glimmers of a possible chance that maybe if the conditions are right and that any issues can be over come that no one wants to use it


Not really. Whilst it is underused now, theres nothing wrong with improving infrastructure and its more of a 'future' investment. I think people miss this point out, as it was always unlikely airlines were going to fall over themselves to serve DUB as soon as T2 opened, but eventually it will show its benefits.

[Jamie2k9]

Over 17.3 million passengers at DUB between Jan - Nov.

Latest News > Passenger Figures November 2010 (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/11-01-06/Passenger_Figures_November_2010.aspx)

I would say total traffic for 2010 will be between 18.5 - 19 million.

Also on the news today. FG said that if they get in power they will scrap the Travel Tax.

[akerosid]

For a long time, I dismissed the possibility of AI. However, let's not forget that India is a very important economy - for tourism and (particularly) trade, so getting a foothold in this market would be a huge boost; the fact that AI is state owned and Ireland has good relations with India helps; hopefully this is being pursued at a diplomatic level.

Since our economy is as bad as it is, we need to explore every possible avenue for growth; those parts of the economy which can contribute to growth should be pushed as hard as possible, to ensure that this contribution is maximised. If the DAA can reel in AI, this would be a huge boost and worth any pull/influence that can be exercised to make this happen.


Quote:
"Whilst it is good the DAA are talking to airlines, I just wouldnt be able to understand the logic of Air India changing from non-stop to a 1 stop service, and lets face it, DUB only has the PBC going for it, so like I said in my previous post, the benefits will be null and void by adding the stop."

I was wondering about that myself; AI moved to introduce a lot more n/s flights, but I understand that these launches have not been very successful, (a) because of payload restraints and (b) the market is not there to the extent expected. This is why they are still looking for a new en route point - one less congested and cheaper than FRA.

To my mind, the biggest obstacle is the runway length at DUB, but if this shortcoming can be addressed with a commitment to extend it and some level of interim compensation, fine.

Let's try and be positive; it's an uphill battle, but they may yet be able to pull it off.

[brianoh]

Well said Akerosid, glad there's a bit of optimism here! (even though, like many, I'll believe it when I see it)

Runway may not a huge obstacle as the 777-200's that AI use on their long-haul flights are similar to the ones which Delta used to serve Atlanta with from DUB a few years ago which were able to take off from the current runway (as it wasn't fully loaded with fuel).

And remember that the flight time from Dublin to Atlanta westwards is similar to Dublin to New Delhi eastwards, i.e. just under 9 hours, so it should be possible. Also bear in mind that AI are channelling all their international long-haul traffic through Delhi so we would not have to worry about further destinations like Mumbai and Chennai being served using the same equipment.

The destinations across the Atlantic that AI serve are all 7-8 hours flight time so there should be no issue there either.

AI also have the 787's ordered so if they go through, the runway problem will be negated.

If the story is still doing the rounds, there must be some hope!

[wanna_be_there]

the fact that AI is state owned and Ireland has good relations with India helps; hopefully this is being pursued at a diplomatic level.

Yes but based on market levels, even with LHR down the road, BHX will have more of a demand, especially in the India direction than DUB ever will. Id bet even MAN has a bigger demand than DUB.

You say this:

I was wondering about that myself; AI moved to introduce a lot more n/s flights, but I understand that these launches have not been very successful, (a) because of payload restraints

Then this:


To my mind, the biggest obstacle is the runway length at DUB, but if this shortcoming can be addressed with a commitment to extend it and some level of interim compensation


So basically, if payload is to be restricted at DUB also, what exactly are AI gaining by using DUB as a stop on an already non-stop flight?!?
Also, if the DAA are just going to throw money/compensation at AI to serve them, then whats the point for the DAA. Thats no way to run a business, and once the money runs out it will all end in tears, guaranteed.


Well said Akerosid, glad there's a bit of optimism here!


It not just that, its about being realistic too

[Jamie2k9]

Aer Lingus Regional add 3 weekly flights to Rennes.
Tuesday - 1 flight
Saturday - 2 flights

[ayroplain]

Any news on when the old portacabin beside Pier D will finally be removed. It seems to be disused now except as a passenger corridor from Gates at the far end of Pier D to the aircraft stands beside the portacabin.
Quite an eerie feeling as you pass quietly through remembering back to the heady days when the place was thronged, buzzing and alive and FR displayed slip-in cardboard/plastic departure boards to places you couldn't even pronounce.
Thanks in advance for any info.

[Jamie2k9]

It was due to be taken down when T2 opened so I would expect it to be gone soon.

Pier D at Dublin Airport More Space At The Gates (http://www.dublinairportauthority.com/TDA/Major_Projects/PierD.html)

[OltonPete]

dublin_eire

DEL - MEL was to start this winter as part of the Delhi expansion but politics got in the way - can you believe that? Quite a public spat I believe between Air India and a Government minister or MP.

Pete

[Morris542]

I've just been doing some research into flying to Dublin in a couple of months. It seems BA do not fly there anymore. Since when and why? Surprised me as it's such a popular route (or has the competition defeated them?)

[clareview]

BA has not had a mainline presence in Dublin for many years (maybe 10 years) When Aer Lingus was part of the One World alliance, BA had a code share arrangement with it to Heathrow. The final BA link to Dublin was to Gatwick. BA's regional affiliates also gradually withdrew (probably in the face of competition from Ryanair and Aer Lingus when it was going down the low cost route. Similarly British Midland has reduced services to Heathrow to 4 a day from 8 at one time.

It seems that most long haul connection from Dublin is done vai Paris, Amsterdam or Abu Dabi or, westwards, vai and Aer Lingus gateway in the US

[EC-ILS]

BA ended its mainline prescene in DUB only 2 years ago, it operated 4 daily LGW-DUB with mainline 737s up until then.

[Jamie2k9]

BMI reduction on the LHR route was because Lufthansa reduced the BMI fleet by 5 aircraft.

Last time I checked BA have code share agreement with Aer lingus on DUB - LHR and LGW.

[Skipness One Echo]

I think March 1991 was when BA pulled out of the Republic of Ireland, their eventual return was via a BA franchise, CityFlyer Express who flew ATRs and later RJ100s from their base at Gatwick on behalf of BA. This route then passed to BA itself when they bought out CityFlyer but they couldn't make it pay with BA mainline (again) and it was dropped at the start of 2009. One of the problems of BA LGW moving to only B737-436s was it's too much aircraft for some routes.

BA CitiFlyer also operated a short lived LCY-DUB run from 2008-2009. This was axed due to CityJet's holding their own on the route with CFE having poor loads.

BA do still code share on Aer Lingus services into LHR and LGW though.

BMI reduction on the LHR route was because Lufthansa reduced the BMI fleet by 5 aircraft. They dropped AMS and BRU at the same time, it's not just a lack of capacity, it's a shift in business model.

[Jamie2k9]

Airlines are now begining to operate out of T2. It's about time to.

Aer Lingus - all LHR flights, some european arrivals/departures (6 daily) and all LGW from Tuesday Jan 18
Delta - all flights
Eithad - all flights
US - all flights from Monady Jan 17
CO - expected to move lather this week.

[Stevek]

EI should have everything in by the 25th
CO are in on the 19th.

[Skipness One Echo]

Is Ryanair entirely now on Pier D? What was the logic of the old portacabin surviving this long as it blocks access to some of the gates on Pier D?

Are the B747 freighter services going to continue using gates at the new T2?

Why are Aer Lingus operating A330s transatlantic from the low cost pier when there are airbridge stands available on the main pier?

And finally (I think) will Aer Lingus still be using Pier D when T2 opens completely?

** Guess where I was on Saturday?

[StephenM_SMC]

Why are Aer Lingus operating A330s transatlantic from the low cost pier when there are airbridge stands available on the main pier?

They use Pier D for unloading aircraft when they arrive in from the US. They use airbridge stands (Pier B) for departures as all their flights go through the US pre-clearance facility. Atleast T2 will offer enough capacity to unload and reload the A330s at the same gate rather than shuffling them around the airport.

[Skipness One Echo]

Saturday's EI121 departed from Pier D.....so not all flights currently use the CBP facility. Indeed last time I was through American were on Pier D too.

[Jamie2k9]

Is Ryanair entirely now on Pier D? What was the logic of the old portacabin surviving this long as it blocks access to some of the gates on Pier D?



Malev Airlines use Pier D and I think Air Baltic also use it.

The old portacabin will be taken down soon. They had to wait until T2 opens.

US pre-clearance facility only started this week. I can't see Aer Lingus needing to use Pier D when they move all ops to T2 by Jan 25.

2010 passengers numbers fall by 2 million to 18.5.

Airport passengers fall by 20pc - National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie (http://www.independent.ie/national-news/airport-passengers-fall-by-20pc-2498825.html)

[NorthernCounties]

I say if the eruptions earlier this year didn't happen and the weather in December. We would have been looking at circa 19 million pax. The airport is stabilising.

It did note that there should be a 6.5% growth this year. Which should bring pax to 19.8 million. If that rate of growth continues, we'll be up to prerecession levels by 2014~15.

I do hope, that this is the last year we have to state "things are stabilising". I'm so bored of the recession now!

[Jamie2k9]

2011 will see some rise in passenger numbers. A number of airlines have increased services for 2011 as well as a few new routes and a lot more charter flights. Around this time last year the airport was closed due to snow so Jan passengers this year should be higher than 2010.

[Jamie2k9]

Air Baltic increase Dubllin flights this summer:

DUB - Riga - daily (June - October) thats 3 extra weekly flights.
DUB - Vilnius - returns this summer with 4 weekly flights. (same as 2010)

[dublindispatch]

Well they said that last year and dropped filghts v quickly, they really should be pushing the onwards deals from RIX to really boost there pax numbers but I dont think I have ever seen a Press add for BT in Irland

[VanBosh]

Im flying AA to Chicago on April 15th. It is scheduled to land at T5 in Chicago which is the international terminal. I thought that with full facilities in T2 (Scheduled to depart from T2) that it would land in a domestic terminal? Does anyone know how this works or will the flight change to land at T£ in ORD?

[Jamie2k9]

Aer Lingus will transfer US flights to T2 on 22 Feb. CBP will then start for all Aer Lingus flights.

[Jamie2k9]

Skipness One Echo,

Blue Air also use Pier D.

[dublindispatch]

and most other things as two stands on b pier out off action

[Jamie2k9]

Direct Hoildays, Sunworld and Pamorna have suspended all flights between Dublin - Tunisia. Not expected to resume until next November.

Sunway still have flights for sale but how long will that last for.

[wanna_be_there]

Thats going to be a good indiation that Thomas cook will pull UK ops too, as seen as Direct/panorama are owned by Thomas Cook now.

With Jet2 gone from Tunisia, Thomas Cook looking to go, that leaves Thomson the last of the big 3 in the UK. Bet they will follow suit.

Just out of interest, who does Tunisair operate for at DUB? Will they still be running?

[Jamie2k9]

They operate for sunway. Flights due to resume on Feb 19.

[airhumberside]

I've just looked at Panorama's online brochure. Their Tunisia programme for this summer was to be just one weekly flight from DUB. As much as it is likely Thomas Cook/Thomson are going to have to cut back on their programmes from the UK, I wouldn't assume one dropped flight from Ireland, and 6 dropped flights by Jet 2, means Thomas Cook and Thomson will cut Tunisia entirely from the UK. Possible, but I don't think it's certain.

[Jamie2k9]

Just as Ryanair UK flights cuts came into affect, Ryanair have added an extra daily flight to LGW and from the end of March Bristol will go back to 3 daily.

[EI-BUD]

And bmi will step up Dublin London Heathrow to 5 a day from start of summer schedule when GLA LHR closes on March 27th.

EI-BUD

[Charlie Roy]

And bmi will step up Dublin London Heathrow to 5 a day from start of summer schedule when GLA LHR closes

I can think of better uses for a Heathrow slot, but good news for users of the route.

[Tom the Tenor]

Yes, good luck to Dublin with their new/increased routes etc but it has beaten me now years why the likes of BMI with their strong association with Lufthansa and Star Alliance have not tried a LHR Cork service. EI have been cute enough to form a code share with United so it is even less likely that BMI will ever arrive now at Cork.

Oh, well - all these little disappointments!

[dublindispatch]

Iceland Express seem to have removed the DUB flights from there website!!

[Jamie2k9]

They have canceled the route because of low booking. Belfast is also at risk of getting dropped but as BFS flights go via EDI it has a better chance of staying.

Ryanair said today that they wrote a letter in December to the DAA saying they can deliver an extra 4 million passengers a year at Dublin Airport. They say the DAA haven't got back to them. They had planned to expend this summer but time is running out. They say that 4,000 jobs can be created. Any thoughts?

Tourism can?t trust Fianna Fáil says Ryanair (http://www.ryanair.com/en/news/tourism-can-t-trust-fianna-fail-says-ryanair)

[Noxegon]

At a guess, I'd say that Ryanair have offered to bring in four million passengers provided that the DAA gives them a special deal on airport charges (going on FR's history I'd say 90% off would be about right).

Of course all that'd really serve to do would be to harm the other airlines operating out of DUB...

[TSR2]

They say that 4,000 jobs can be created. Any thoughts?

Perhaps these claims do MOL no favours in the credibility stakes no matter what the validity of his case may be.

To make his case absolutely clear perhaps he should adorn all his aircraft with the slogan 'I WANT TO FLY FOR F**K ALL'

[Jamie2k9]

Ryanair should of published the letter they sent the DAA. It would do harm to other airlines but not many airlines are increasing services even with the travel tax reduction.

The charges at Dublin Airport are a lot cheaper than many European airports.

[dublindispatch]

Iberia web site show Air Nostrum CR9 operating the MAD-DUB-MAD flights for the Summer??

[EC-ILS]

This is the case dublinindispatch, they will operate double daily service every other day so not much of a seat reduction just a better schedule, great for South American connections, the exsisting schedule isnt great for DUB-SA traffic. Iberia DUB staff are also going, Servisair have control.

[Jack1985]

I just had a look at the MAD-DUB-MAD, new schedule - its only showing a daily flight operated by Air Nostrum CR9 aircraft.

[wanna_be_there]

There seems to be a lag and overlap in the system, as the 'double daily' flights leave within 5 minutes of each other (one at 14:40 and the other at 14:45), so im guessing one will be removed from the booking engine soon.

[dublindispatch]

I have had a look and it does seem strange but on another note and by now someome must know someone who knows someone who heard a rumour that maybe an unnamed airline is looking at maybe using T2. Go on people fess up whats the gossip??

[Airbus321-200]

And when you say "using T2", do you mean they are already in DUB??

because i can't read anymore about Air India again ;)

[dublindispatch]

PLease for the love of god dont mention Ar India. It will sparke pages of rubbish!!!! No any rumours other than the old reliables

[Noxegon]

What, like Air Koryo launching a double-daily non-stop service to Pyongyang? :)

[Airbus321-200]

I heard that Air Koryo rumour too ha ha except i heard it's a 5 times daily?? with connections onto the 1950's.

Is bmi international/ british midland/ british midland international/ bmi/ british lufthansa midland or whatever they are calling themselves this week, moving to T2??

[dublindispatch]

No British Midland Lufthansa Sar Alliance International this week what will we be called next week is staying in Terminal One. I believe its to do with charges for moving the Business Lounge to T2 and the increased costs of using the check in facilities. Lets face it if they all moved to T2, it would become like the B pier again!!!

B pier is lovely to work in now that our green friends have moved to T2. No holding for stands, no equipment abandoned all over the place, all very civilised now in there and im sure the D pier is the same.

Shame about all the road works and rebuilding still going on. Has T2 been offically signed off as completed or whats going on as surely if they still working it must be a cost overrun???

[Noxegon]

Wait, I thought EI was still using Pier B sometimes? I'd have thought that T2 wouldn't have the capacity for the complete EI operation when you throw in all the other long haul operators?

[Airbus321-200]

I think bmi british midland international star alliance will be renamed again next week to lufthansas b*tch airline.

Sounds like B pier is a nice place to work now. I hated working there as EI had priority over everyone (not openly) but it was obvious.

Are bmi going to upgrade that room they call a lounge?

[thebig C]

LOL, they have been going mad about the iminent arrival of Air India over on politics.ie:)

[thebig C]

I am not sure if T2 has been signed off yet, often that actually doesn't happen for a while after the particular development is in use. Largely, to allow for snagging to be completed.

As for the roads situation in the surrounds, don't forget the plans have changed slightly as there was to be a large hotel almost directly "landside" of the terminal. This obviously wasn't built which might have required a redraw on the surrounding infrastructre.

[Noxegon]

Well they're at it again...

Latest News > Ryanair Rejects ?60M DAA Incentive Offer (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/11-02-17/Ryanair_Rejects_€60M_DAA_Incentive_Offer.aspx)

DAA Reject Ryanair Offer Of 4m Traffic Growth (http://www.ryanair.com/en/news/daa-reject-ryanair-offer-of-4m-traffic-growth)

I wonder if the DAA has approached any of the other low fare airlines out there...

[840]

If another LoCo came in, Ryanair would dump capacity on their routes. Like happened with Go or EasyJet.

So, any airline in question would have to come in with deep pockets and also with the intention of basing at least 4 or 5 aircraft in Dublin.

Ryanair have been strangely tolerant of Wizzair on Ireland-Poland, but there seems to be significant crossover in shareholders between the two companies.

[peba]

its a weel known fact at this stage that ryan and wizz avoid each other(look at wizz routes from cork to poland and ryan routes from dub to poland....)very similar.

it will take about another year id say before the DAA while have very little choice(hopefully the govt will get involved) but to try again with ryanair,but by then MOL might have all his planes elsewhere!!looks like he is fighting with girona airport too in spain.

its a pity about shannon,i doubt it will ever get back to the good times because of the road network now but cork could easily be expanded if he wanted.however all MOL wants is dub.i cant see many loco airlines coming in,if the only deal on the table involves all 3 airports.

[Noxegon]

I don't know. I think that Ryanair throwing its toys out of the pram on this one will benefit the other airlines in Dublin. I'm sure there were some happy faces in EI HQ yesterday evening...

[Stevek]

Won't last long. Fine Gael are going to break up DAA, scrap the travel tax and reduce landing charges. There is even talk of selling off one of the terminals.

[peba]

selling off a terminal??surely not!!if they did,im sure mol would spend a few quid on it as long as it included a certain hanger too!!too little too late by the time that comes round.EI will be happy this morning,but then they have there own mess to sort out too!!

[Jamie2k9]

Iberia operated by Air Nostrum will start double daily flights to Madrid from 24 June until early September. Iberia will resume services with a A320 from November.

everyday except Saturday
DUB - MAD - 14:35 - 18:00
DUB - MAD - 20:30 - 23:55

MAD - DUB - 12:25 - 13:50
MAD - DUB - 18:30 - 19:55

Saturdays
DUB - MAD - 14:35 - 18:00
MAD - DUB - 12:25 - 13:50

2010 passengers at Dublin were over 18.4 million. DAA claims that over 730,000 were lost due to ash and weather.

1.2 million used the airport in Jan. 1% increase over Jan 2010.

Latest News > 1.2 Million Passengers in January (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/11-02-18/1_2_Million_Passengers_in_January.aspx)

[EC-ILS]

I cant seem a 2355 arrival into MAD being a hit!

[Jack1985]

@ 95euro rtn pp with Iberia i think it will be :)

[Just a spotter]

Being reported by news services here.

The main runway requires an overlay, work on which was put back due to severe weather over the winter months. Completion has now been delayed until the end of April.
Airport warns of increased noise owing to maintenance work | BreakingNews.ie (http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/airport-warns-of-increased-noise-owing-to-maintenance-work-494454.html#ixzz1EnaCjEZj)

JAS

[Jamie2k9]

Will only be closed between 21:00 - approx 05:30 Monday - Saturdays.

[dublindispatch]

I think the M50 upgrades was quicker than this overlay job!!

[Jamie2k9]

It rumbles on from last week. Ryanair now want to expand at SNN and they want to be payed for doing so as well as having everything free. Ryanair's proposals to the DAA just keep getting better and better. What next will they want the DAA to pay the crew to fly the aircraft.:ugh:

Latest News > DAA Seeks Clarification From Ryanair (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/11-02-24/DAA_Seeks_Clarification_From_Ryanair.aspx)

[Noxegon]

No no, the crew will pay Ryanair to allow them to fly the aircraft. Clearly.

[Jack1985]

It rumbles on from last week. Ryanair now want to expand at SNN and they want to be payed for doing so as well as having everything free. Ryanair's proposals to the DAA just keep getting better and better. What next will they want the DAA to pay the crew to fly the aircraft.:ugh:

Latest News > DAA Seeks Clarification From Ryanair (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/11-02-24/DAA_Seeks_Clarification_From_Ryanair.aspx)

Well said Jamie, i for one hope the DAA (SAA) reject this latest offer from Ryanair - for years the DAA (SAA) staff at Shannon boasted to us staff at Cork (CAA) about the signifcant presence FR had their at one point i think 6 A/C where based and the airport was handling just over 3.5M pax in 2007, 2008 the decline began to 3.1M - while Cork rose to 3.2M in the same year, but it was only in 2009 after significant reductions @ SNN with the loss of LHR (EI - JAN), ATL (DL)*, JFK (DL - OCT), ORD (EI - APR), PHL (US)* - and FR reducing its based fleet from 6 to 4. Then it was October when they annuonced that from April 2010 only 1 FR A/C would be based after already reducing the SNN base to 3 A/C for that winter. But it then came out since 2003 FR had'ent been paying a red cent to the SAA while at Cork although growth was slow & steady from 2003-2008 EI where developing - new LOCO's arriving FR with 1 A/C (to this day**) but all where paying full charges and Cork was making its money unlike SAA this was shown when FR pulled PIK & EMA (2008) after 1yr because charges where on the way after the free first yr - but FR where not hanging round they couldnt believe the CAA's attiude (Comparing SAA). The SAA needs to hold tight they will see expansion not from FR (unless they buck the trend and acctually pay airports money!) but stable carriers such as EI, RE & SAA's transatlantic airlines which all pay top dollar for facilitys there. By the way just to show how horride FR are to their own staff they make them feel its a priveliage to work for them - you pay for your uniform, your meals etc.. and Holidays are at o'd times & you could get banashed like one FR pilot (only to leave later) from STN to Kaunas which is in the back of Siberia, for speaking the thruth after MOL said only one pilot was needed - another one of his schemes. I hope the DAA (SAA) reconginse what FR have done to Shannon Airport, and the local tourism sector and ignore this latest offer.

*Never recommenced as planned for Summer 2009.
**2nd A/C for JUN - AUG since 2010.

[Jamie2k9]

Part of this second letter from Ryanair in weeks could relate to the DAA saying that if Ryanair want to grow at Dublin they must restore SNN traffic. Although Cork was also part of the deal I would think that SNN would be more impotent and if this was done then they could add passengers at Dublin. In a way I would like to see Ryanair back at SNN but on a reasonable deal and not the one they propose.

[Jack1985]

Yes Jamie i understand where your coming from but look at the recent developments at SNN - first EI service to/from Continental Europe, services to the UK restored and preforming really well. Do the SAA want to throw all that away only for the same thing to happen down the road again? To be honest i hope FR dont grow as much out of Cork anymore i work there and i would be glad to see Baby back (other Loco's too) and EI developing more routes and increasing their base at Cork over FR any day!! - Ryanair are reminding me of a childhood friend i had years back who everyone wanted but left you when they felt like it , if you get me haha :O

[Jamie2k9]

There is an opportunity for Aer Lingus to base further aircraft at SNN and grow more. I would like to see them take it but I don't think they will.

[MCDU2]

Is there really? Where to. Problem is that there isn't a a large enough population to sustain any significant basing of aircraft.Also the punters will happily hop into their cars and head up to Dublin or across to Cork in search of a cheaper fare. By offering services from SNN to destinations served from ORK and DUB you run the risk of reducing your loads out of these ports. Its the same reason why you don't see a BFS-USA direct route.

[NorthernCounties]

Its the same reason why you don't see a BFS-USA direct route.

Er... BFS has a summer route to Orlando and a direct flight to New York

[Sober Lark]

Long term car park buses can drop off at T2 but are not allowed to pick up at T2. What's the logic?

[Jack1985]

Long term car park buses can drop off at T2 but are not allowed to pick up at T2. What's the logic?

There's a €3.5m Long Term bus (Bus Park) facility which is accessible by a Sky-Walk bridge from T2.

[dublindispatch]

What idiot is using the trem LOGIC whan it comes to Dublin and the DAA.

[dublindispatch]

What idiot is using the trem LOGIC whan it comes to Dublin and the DAA.

[Sober Lark]

I asked a rhetorical question so I'll ask another. Have you exceeded the max number of recommended units this evening dispatch?

[Irish Steve]

The entire access system at Dublin is a disaster, not just T2. The T1 departure set down road is a shambles, anyone dropping off children takes their life in their hands every time they go in there, it would make a lot more sense to make the centre road of the 3 the through route with no stopping on it, and have the no 1 and No 3 lanes as the set down lanes, as they would then both have paved walkways adjacent to the vehicle, and no vehicles would have to cross other traffic lanes to park or leave the area. The other thing that would make a huge difference would be to get rid of the pedestrian crossing in the middle of the departure road, and segregate vehicles and pedestrians so that they are not mixed as at present. If necessary, put the pedestrians on a bridge over the departure roadway, the traffic flow for both vehicles and pedestrians will be MUCH safer.


The concept of having nowhere to collect passengers from without paying to park is offensive and inappropriate. Passengers have paid to use the airport. I for one am not prepared to pay an exorbitent charge to collect an inbound passenger who is waiting to be collected. There are signs all over the T1 departure road saying that collecting passengers is not allowed. At one time, it was not a problem to collect passengers on some of the roadways behind the multi storey car park, but DAA have now put railings all over the place to make that impossible.

T2 is even worse. There is a set down road, a bus lane, and nowhere to collect people. and the road that is supposedly for arrivals leads to the T2 multi storey car park that has no avoidance, so if you end up on that road, you have to go through the car park to get out, and the signposting of the exits is about as clear as the rest of the DAA signposting, in other words, a shambles.

The majority of passengers these days have mobile phones. It is thus very simple to communicate with them and confirm that they are in a location to be picked up. Loading passengers takes about as long as unloading them. That needs to be facilitated, and the requirement to use and pay for a car park to collect someone that's waiting to be collected is unacceptable, both in terms of time, and cost. The most recent "improvements" at Dublin make it even harder than it used to for people to be picked up.

Ok, there have been problems in the past with pre booked taxis and the like blocking the set down road when waiting for passengers, but that's easy enough to deal with, move them on if the passenger is not there, or make them use the car park, they at least are being paid for the service they are providing, so they can charge for the service.

Maybe things will be easier and better once the Metro is built, but somehow I doubt it, given the inability of DAA to listen to the users and act accordingly. For the forseeable future, road transport is the only way to get all of the passengers to and from their flights, so making that process as simple, easy and fast as possible should be their first objective, but they seem determined to ignore the passengers that are arriving, probably because they are earning next to nothing from them on the way in, so they don't care about making their experience a pleasant one.

The airport used to be a pleasant and enjoyable experience. Now, with the problems of getting in and out, the hassles of security that can't make their mind up what the rules are, or which ones they are going to enforce today, the huge distance out to the D pier, and the very limited number of seats compared to passenger numbers when you do get there, the experience is far from pleasant, especially with small children, or for the old or infirm, or even those that have any form of mobility problems. Then of course there's the Ryanair scrums at the gate, which are a disaster in the making for families trying to stay together.

Trying to get to the aircraft early enough in boarding to get a row of 3 seats together as a family are all pressures that are unhelpful, and even paying for "priority boarding" is no guarantee of getting a row, and why should if be necessary to pay extra to facilitate family safety with small children? with small children, it's often a good plan to take them to the toilets as boarding starts, to try and make the flight as easy and comfortable as possible, but with "free boarding", this doesn't work, with pre allocated seats it does.

Ok, this last point is not altogether DAA's problem, but for sure the rest of it is. It's the final straw in what has become a much less than enjoyable process that should be as stress free as possible. Most of this is under DAA's direct control, and if they had any real interest in passenger satisfaction, it would have been addressed a long time ago.

[bravoromeosierra]

Why are point-to-point passengers not allowed to use flight connections at Dublin anymore? I connected from Aer Lingus to BMI last month, but this month it was strictly forbidden.

[JWP2010]

This may not be a popular thing to say given the general statements on T2 but I like the place! Recent flights with Etihad & Aer Lingus have been through T2 and I have had no problems. Being dropped off & collected at the terminal & the overall experience through the terminal have all been good.
For the last number of years there were so many complaints about overcrowding in what is T1, so I welcome the fewer numbers in T2. I know it's not ideal for the retailers, but it does make for an easier experience.
While I'm at it, I wonder sometimes about those who complain about the distances to walk - even between the two terminals - have ever been through other international airports such as KUL, AMS, LHR, BKK to name but a few...now those are airports which would test your shoe leather!
For the record, I don't work for any airline, I am one of those SLF that seem to get in everyone's way:)

[wanna_be_there]

The opening of DUB-VNO on RYR has caused Air Baltic to Pull DUB flights.

They state they would rather walk away from the crowd than compete.

[wanna_be_there]

CLT-DUB has been postponed from 6th May to 14th May.

[Cyrano]

I wonder sometimes about those who complain about the distances to walk - even between the two terminals - have ever been through other international airports such as KUL, AMS, LHR, BKK to name but a few...now those are airports which would test your shoe leather!

KUL: 30 million passengers in 2009
AMS: 44 million
LHR: 66 million
BKK: 41 million

DUB: 21 million

It might be fairer to compare DUB with other airports of a similar size (in traffic terms). It's not unreasonable to expect that an airport with e.g. twice as many passengers as DUB may have longer distances to walk (note may - clean-sheet design, more integrated travelators and/or a different widebody/narrowbody mix also come into play).

Examples of airports within 10% of DUB's passenger numbers in 2009: ZRH, STN, CPH, LGA.

[Irish Steve]

It's not unreasonable to expect that an airport with e.g. twice as many passengers as DUB may have longer distances to walk Wait till they eventually get the Metro built.

The very original concept was that the station for the rail link would be in the basement of T1. At some stage that idea went out of the window, and then they built T2. Now, the plan is that the Metro station will be "close" to the Great Southern Hotel, which is about as far away from the terminals as they could put it without going outside of the major roads that circle the airport. From Pier D to T1 is bad enough, the extra distance to the Metro will at least double the distance. That is not an issue for a resonable number of people, but consider the significant number of disabled, very young and elderly people that for good reasons are not able to walk long distances that will probably include steep slopes, if the present scenario is anything to go by. In theory, there will probably be travelators, which is fine when they work, and a total pain when they don't. Denver has an underground link from the main check in area to the remote piers that in total covers less distance with 4 stops than the distance people will have to walk at Dublin.

[Skipness One Echo]

The distance to Pier D is less than from the lounge to Pier 3 ( ex Gatwick Satelite) at Gatters, or from the lounge over the bridge at the North Terminal. It's really not that far unless the Irish have particularly wee legs!

[Shanwickman]

Whether your legs are long or short the distance would be the same:)

[positive]

Was the airport metro station not moved to beside the new T2 car park so its fairly close to both T1+T2 and not close to the Radisson Hotel.

[Copenhagen]

The metro will be located between the Aer Lingus head office building and the terminal, just east of the church in the airport, and close to the current short term carparks, but lets not let the facts get in the way of a good old bitch about Dublin airport by the usual suspects.

[Sober Lark]

If you constantly benchmark an airport against LHR or LGW then the result is you'll never have an airport with a good passenger experience.

You spend that much on DUB T2 and expect pax to walk to T1 to get a bus. Which airport gave them that idea?

[Jamie2k9]

Sunwing airlines to start DUB - Toronto on 17 June. Once Weekly with a B767.

YYZ - DUB - depart 21:30 fri arrive 09:15 sat
DUB - YYZ - depart 11:55 sat arrive 14:30 sat

[dublindispatch]

Not with there own aircraft though.

[dublinamg]

Flying for the first time from T2 next week - looking forward to seeing it after reading all about it here.

Just wondering if there is a smoking area beyond security like the great one in Terminal 1?

Great being able to go through in good time and have a cigarette while waiting on a flight instead of going outside after checking in

[Airbus321-200]

There isn't a smoking area in T2 but you can walk to the T1 smoking area if you want.

[Jamie2k9]

I took my first flight from T2 on Feb 17 and returned on Feb 20 and it was a great experience. Was dropped off and there was no problem. It was an early morning flight. Checked in and cleared security in about 20 mins. All in all it was very quick and easy. On my return we were a while waiting for baggage but in future Aer Lingus will be my first choice when flying from DUB.

[ayroplain]

The other good thing about the T2 experience is that its now possible to fly in and out of DUB without even seeing a Ryanair aircraft

Should have gone to Specsavers.:ok:

[Jack1985]

just a question guys im going on trip on 19 April from ORK-DUB-STN-DUB-ORK and im wondering when i become airside in T1 are you able to walk into T2 departures? or is completely seperate? because i thought even though T2 was opened T1 Pier B could be used as overflow?

[Stevek]

You can freely walk between the two terminals.

[Jack1985]

brilliant!! cant wait to see it now :) anybody KNOW what prices are like in Dublin Airport are they ott e.g. Cork?

[dublindispatch]

As cheap as everything could be in Ireland!!

Shops in t2 are all top end brands so kinda pricey

[Jamie2k9]

Dixons is the name of the shop.

[Jack1985]

thanks for the info guys, does anybody no how much the DAA lounge access costs? its €20 for the WHOLE day at the Jack Lynch lounge in Cork...

[Jamie2k9]

It's costs €20 for 3 hours.

Lounges (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/terminal1/facilities-services/lounges.aspx)

[Jack1985]

New Air France by CityJet route to Pau, France every Saturday from April 2nd 2011!

[Airbus321-200]

Is the AF/WX route to Pau not from LCY?

Doesn't seem bookable from DUB at the minute on the website. It would be great if it was from DUB but i'm not sure cityjet remember they have flights from DUB despite HQ being in swords ;)

[Jack1985]

its only bookable on airfrance.ie

[NorthernCounties]

Dixons is the name of the shop.


Since when was Dixons ever cheap!? I never get why people have the urge to purchase electrical items in an airport. But that's probably just me. I remember following Stephen Nolan on Twitter at Xmas and he did buy an Ipad whilst stuck at Heathrow!