DUBLIN - 2

[stab3.5up]

Try kwick fit i got good deal on tyres.

[dublinaviator]

Big drop in traffic numbers for Ireland during May, with Dublin taking a big hit:

There was an average of 1,537 flights per day during May 2012.

Individually, the May 2012 figures for commercial terminal flights at the three State airports when compared to the same month in 2011 are:


Dublin down by 1.1 per cent, with an average of 457 commercial movements per day.

Cork down 0.9 per cent, with an average of 64 commercial movements per day.

Shannon down 1.6 per cent, with an average of 57 commercial movements per day.


When compared to the same month in the peak traffic year of 2008, the commercial terminal flight figures for the three State airports are:


Dublin down 20 per cent
Cork down 38.3 per cent
Shannon down 41.4 per cent


The Sunday Business Post (http://www.businesspost.ie/#!story/Home/News/IAA+figures+show+big+drops+in+Irish+air+traffic/id/19410615-5218-4fd7-67ac-d184c4319191)

[Jamie2k9]

Take into account that the Europe League final was in Dublin last may with anything between 80-100 extra flights operated with around 40,000 passengers using both chartered and scheduled so passengers and movements are bound to take a hit. Also there was around 560 flights on domestic routes which didn't stop until July not including the CFN and KIR numbers.

With those in mind I would say that DUB remianed un changed or even a slight incrase on 2011.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Latest News > EU Audit Issue At Dublin Airport Rectified (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/12-06-14/EU_Audit_Issue_At_Dublin_Airport_Rectified.aspx)

[Mlinnie]

I see that Delta are using the A333 for their flight to atlanta today. Is this just a one off from the A332 ?

[Shamrogue]

Hi MInnie.

Nope it appears to be around for the summer at least.

Rgds
Shamrogue

[stab3.5up]

And talking of size and wot man doesnt.. i see the ac is a 763 a few days a week. an upgrafe from last year.

[Skipness One Echo]

It's been a B763 since 2008 as the B762s were retired. Is it still only the same three aircraft used?

[clareview]

Not the same three all the time it seems - I am told that those three have the old style comfort plus seating in the "premium" cabin whereas the aircraft scheduled from Dublin on Mondays and Wednesdays have the Executive First cabin

[PPRuNeUser0176]

They announced the Executive First cabin on 2 flights per week around Feb.

There may be 2 Air Canada aircraft on the ground at the same time in the morning. Todays flight is delayed until the morning.

[Jamie2k9]

Over 1.7 million passengers for May down 2% on last year. As already stated UEFA final in 2011 was main cause of decline.

European 930,000 dwon 3%
UK 585,000 down 4%
Transatlantic 150,000 up 2%
Middle East/Africa 36,000 up 97%
Domestic 5,600 down 58%

Year to date traffic is down 1% at over 7 million

Site Error (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/12-06-20/More_Than_1_7M_Passengers_Used_Dublin_Airport_In_May.aspx)

[PPRuNeUser0176]

The Ryanair offer for Aer Lingus (http://www.anna.aero/2012/06/20/the-ryanair-offer-for-aer-lingus-how-do-the-two-airlines-networks-at-dublin-compare/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

A good read about FR and EI DUB operations.

[Stevek]

Does anyone have any more information on the T1 renovation? Seems to be a pretty big job.

[stab3.5up]

I have heard that the b pier airbridges being replaced with same as t2

[Stevek]

I've heard the total cost of revamp is €20m+. Entire retail space is to be changed including the fairly new T1X...

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Was all that not put on hold a while ago. Pier B needs a full revamp. Stevek any idea if check in hall will be changed. The plan was to have it like T2 and not have the current islands. The amount of desks not being used is un real.

[stab3.5up]

Well half the B pier duty free shop has gone and the House Of Ireland, not to mention Easons is hardly open so not a lot of retail really to revamp!

[Stevek]

This revamp will be mainly the main retail area. The check in area I haven't heard anything about recently. B will loose its retail area at some point next year current set up is only temporary from what I've been lead to believe.

[MarkD]

Hi folks - will be arriving off TS on a Sun at 0725 in a few weeks with an infant who may or may not have enjoyed himself. Any recommendations for decent places/options to catch one's breath at DUB T1 Arrivals? I looked at that airport genie thing but the arrivals option is basically just someone to cart your stuff.

[stab3.5up]

Ba is back next week on the lhr route . when was last ba lhr flight from dub. A/c type flt number etc?

[Mlinnie]

I'd say it would be the same aircraft that Bmi used (A319,A320,A321)

[EI-BUD]

Ba is back next week on the lhr route . when was last ba lhr flight from dub. A/c type flt number etc?




24th March 1991
BA 829
Boeing 737-200 Adv
Reg G-BGDS
Left Dublin about 920pm

[stab3.5up]

Thank you very much for that info.

[Skipness One Echo]

Will be a bmi aircraft and crew on the BA AOC I guess? Haven't seen any cross fleeting yet.

[quantumofcheese]

:ok: Emirates 777 Takeoff Dublin HD - YouTube

[Cyrano]

The BA DUB-LHR winter schedule is now loaded - 4/day but with a lot of chopping and changing of off-peak times, which makes it look like a combination of long-haul feed and slot-sitting rather than a genuinely competitive point-to-point schedule. In addition, the taxes and charges come to something like €61 each way :eek: so the cheapest possible round-trip is about €122.

[EI-A330-300]

The first official British Airways flight to LHR will be on Saturday morning, it will be operated by BA aircraft and crew. It will arrive DUB at 09.15 and depart DUB at 10.50. Over the next few weeks all flights will be officially operated by BA.

[EI-A330-300]

Although not scheduled to happen until saturday, BA operated one of the LHR flights this morning even though it was scheduled to be operated by BMI.

[stab3.5up]

Thats incorrect all ba flights today operated by bmi aircaft. dont forget that the ba flight price includes everyting. bags checkin seat alocation and free food and drinks onboard so the fares in real terms are actually rather cheap.

[dpconlan2011]

Sorry i'm confused- are bmi staff still working on bmi or ba metal, and do you get the full ba service if the metal is bmi and operated by bmi crew-cos technically you've booked through ba website?:confused:

[TRY2FLY]

Was on stand at BHD today beside a BMI airbus, they were using a Speedbird callsign

[Fairdealfrank]

Quote: "Sorry i'm confused- are bmi staff still working on bmi or ba metal, and do you get the full ba service if the metal is bmi and operated by bmi crew-cos technically you've booked through ba website"

AFAIK, (1) both, and (2) yes.

[TCX69]

The first official British Airways flight to LHR will be on Saturday morning, it will be operated by BA aircraft and crew. It will arrive DUB at 09.15 and depart DUB at 10.50. Over the next few weeks all flights will be officially operated by BA.

Indeed. Although 'BA' flight numbers to DUB have already started, the first 'BA' operated flight is BA8124 on Sat 30th, G-DBCH.

Sorry i'm confused- are bmi staff still working on bmi or ba metal, and do you get the full ba service if the metal is bmi and operated by bmi crew-cos technically you've booked through ba website?


bmi crew are working on bmi aircraft only. Several crew have been & are in the process of being transferred to BA, they will then operate on the BA fleet & currently 5 ex-bmi A319's.

Full BA service no, complimentary yes. The service on 'bmi' operated flights will be a complimentary bmi service.

[mart901]

Looking into Nov/Dec time BA is charging roughly the same as EI but offering catering and luggage into the equation. EI does obviously offer 3x as many flights!

[stab3.5up]

Correct but incorrecrt as on the bmi a/c in c class the middle seat is not used so only four seats across the cabin used.

[Jamie2k9]

Alitalia will be flying from DUB-MXP & LIN for the summer.

DUB-MXP 23 June-1 September - Saturdays - A320
DUB-LIN 14 July-25 August - Saturdays - A320

Lufthansa Italia operated MXP last summer with a A319.

[Mlinnie]

Is Alitalia routes Scheduled or charter ? Also I've noticed that Belavia has had a few flights to minsk the last couple of weeks why is this ?

[stab3.5up]

Its a charter and the belavia is the chernobel children

[Mlinnie]

Thanks for the reply :) also tomorrow there seems to be a flight going from Dublin to Billund with Cimber Sterling... Didn't they stop flying to Dublin ?

[Jamie2k9]

Aer Lingus will resume Venice flights for winter after both Aer Lingus and Ryanair suspended the routes last year. It will operate 3 weekly. Krakow will only operate from 10 Dec - 14 Jan and will be 2 weekly.

[stab3.5up]

has the polish bubble finally burst then?

[Jack1985]

has the polish bubble finally burst then?

Not really, there's still demand mainly being cooped up by Ryanair and Wizz ex-Ireland. Probably the main reason for the seasonality of the route is that yields are low, Venice would be a more realistic choice for the Winter with Aer Lingus being the sole operator from Ireland to Venice during Nov to Mar.

[Mlinnie]

Ryanair to start Dublin-Maastricht this December

[stab3.5up]

have heard that ba may put 767 on the lhr dub route due very high demand any truth do we think??

[Hangar6]

Well to me it makes good sense, around midday BA have inherited from BMI two flights that are at nearly the same time thus taking up two slots rather than one so it makes sense to put a larger plane on, thus freeing up a slot pair, times are not high yield friendly so makes sense

[Mlinnie]

767 ? Maybe even one of BA's new a380s !!!? :ok:

[stab3.5up]

the 767 already operates lhr-gla

[dpconlan2011]

And bmi said it wasn't a profitable route?!:rolleyes:

[brian_dromey]

I think that is unlikely. All of BA's DUB flights operate from T1, but all the 767s operate from T5, so the largest aircraft DUB is likely to see is an A321. I understand that the majority - if not all - flights operated from T1 will be ex BD aircraft, the BD and BA fleets are relatively incompatible from a ground handling perspective, by all accounts.

[Just a spotter]

Interesting idea.

Don't forget that EI used to run the occasional A330 to LHR T1 for the Christmas rush.

JAS

[EI-BUD]

And bmi said it wasn't a profitable route


If there had been no head office cost or a significantly lower costs one (ie withe scale of BA operation) the route certainly would have been profitable.

It would have appeared that the costs of the airline meant that all seats would need to attract fares too high than were realistic, hence they were collecting less revenue than they needed to break even or be profitable, I would imagine most routes were not a lot different to Dublin and lets no forget Aer Lingus is competitive when compared to bmi and the have much greater capacity on the route.

In addition, close to the time when BA axed Dublin Heathrow in 1991 they had often L1011s and 757 on daily schedules. I expect they will do fine on Dublin/Heathrow aircraft type is not always an indication of profitability. As someone elsehas posted a bigger plane may take the place of two smallers ones.

EI-BUD

[Skipness One Echo]

but all the 767s operate from T5,
They have one at T3 as well.

BA axed Dublin Heathrow in 1991 they had often L1011s and 757 on daily schedules
Fares were quite extraordainarily high when it was a BA / EI duopoly. It was FR who forced out BA. The trick is revenue allocation I believe, if short haul gets enough then the route stays in the black, if not, like BFS-LHR, it runs full but revenue went to long haul. Sounds barking. If BA intend to make a fight for Belfast, it seems they might yet make a fight for Dublin, quite where this leaves the EI codeshare going forward will be interesting.

[cornishsimon]

I doubt if anything would prevent the 767 operating LHR-DUB even considering DUB is ex T1 at LHR.

It will depend on loads and also very much on the cargo loads, if demand for passenger and cargo load is there they will send a 767, same as they currenty do for EDI, GLA, CDG, MAD etc.


cs

[EI-BUD]

Fares were quite extraordainarily high when it was a BA / EI duopoly. It was FR who forced out BA


Skipness one Echo, never disputed why BA left, the fact that I stated was that BA were using wide body aircraft and larger models like 757 on the route even at a time when they were losing money on the route.

[Jamie2k9]

Close to 1.9 million passengers for June up 3%.

UK - 600,000 dwon 1%
Europe - over 1 million up 4%
US/Canada - 180,000 up 5%
Middle East/Africa - 43,000 up 100%
Domestic - 5,000 down 66%

Euro 2012 helped but the extra capacity on certain routes has taken affect and increased passengers. US, Middle East and a number of European routes.

Year to date close to 9 million less than 1% decline on last year.

Latest News > Just Under 1.9M Passengers Used Dublin Airport in June (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/12-07-06/Just_Under_1_9M_Passengers_Used_Dublin_Airport_in_June.aspx)

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Latest News > Aer Lingus Adds Five New Winter Routes From Dublin (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/12-07-06/Aer_Lingus_Adds_Five_New_Winter_Routes_From_Dublin.aspx)

Aer Lingus plans to improve connectivity at Dublin for passengers connecting between Europe and New York and Boston this winter with Berlin, Stockholm, Venice and Faro now accessible via Dublin Airport.

[Mlinnie]

Great news regarding Aer lingus ! But I don't understand why Helsinki can't remain year round.

[brian_dromey]

Im not sure either, but EI are quite weak into Scandanavia, in general. I don't believe that a market doesn't exist as Norwegian and SAS seem to do quite well out of Dublin.
Interestingly FR is relatively weak in Scandinavia too, I don't think easyJet is especially strong either. Maybe the Scandinavian market prefers indigenous brands?

[EI-BUD]

I wouldn't agree that Ryanair is 'relatively weak in Scandinavia', do u mean ex Dublin.? It was only a few years ago that Ryanair were said to be carrying more pax between London and Scandinavia than any other airline. They serve quite a few points there.

Easyjet have virtually no business in Scandinavia except for a few routes and Copenhagen.

[j636]

I know its being said that Aer Lingus have over taken Ryanair in terms of market share at DUB but does anyone have any info on the number of seats instead of the % and have FR cut or increased this summer compared to last year?

[brian_dromey]

I ment in reference to Norwegian, SAS and even Finnair, FR has very few intra-scandinavia routes. They do have a fair number of routes into and out of Scandinavia, but not a lot between smaller cities. Scandinavia is seemingly a tough nut to crack, many airlines have come and gone over the years, Norwegian seems to be one of the few to stay the course.

[stab3.5up]

wots the story with the staff parking

[Stevek]

Temporarily moved to the green cark park as the current one is finally being resurfaced.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Have flights bieng suspended, lots of flights holding and some diverted between 22.00-22.30?

Actualy it may have something to do with a FR flight to BUD which departed but not showen as canceled on DUB website and diverted on FR website.

[Jamie2k9]

Maintenance was required he common area of 28/34/16 which ment 10 was restricted added to there was a strong tail wind which caused a number of diversions.

FR flight to BUD has diverted to Stansted.

I know its being said that Aer Lingus have over taken Ryanair in terms of market share at DUB but does anyone have any info on the number of seats instead of the % and have FR cut or increased this summer compared to last year?

FR have remained fairly flat this summer and just over 1 million seats is the differance between EI and FR.

[Jamie2k9]

Aeroflot are in talks about adding Dublin from March 2013. It was due to happen this year but the airline have confirmed it.

[stab3.5up]

I wud guesz that s7 wont becoming back then.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Ryanair have taken up all the capacity on Krakow route, they have increased it form 6 to 9 weeky for winter. EI operated 3 weekly last witner.

[Mlinnie]

I have a couple of questions
1. Anyone know what the loads are like on the weekly Tunisair charter flight to Enfidha ? And will it be continued into the winter season ?
2. Will Sata International continue it's Funchal service & will American Airlines continue Chicago into the winter ?
3. Will Bacau with Blue Air remain year round ?
4. How likely is it that we will see a service to California or another Middle Eastern route next year ?

[IrishFlyer2013]

1. Anyone know what the loads are like on the weekly Tunisair charter flight to Enfidha ? And will it be continued into the winter season ?

DUB-NBE finishes at the end of October. The flights will resume at the end of March 2013 for the Summer 2013 schedule.

2. Will Sata International continue it's Funchal service & will American Airlines continue Chicago into the winter ?

DUB-FNC finishes on the 21 October, it will most likely return for the Summer 2013 season.

American Airline's DUB-ORD service is a Summer Only service.

[nosefirsteverytime]

Grapevine tells me AA aren't coming back in 2013, United pushing to get that route AFAIH.

Anyone got any word onthe dates the summer US bound routes finish up?

[stab3.5up]

Jungle drums say aa staff given notice from end of summer so must be tru as airport rumours are always tru.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

There is reports that DUB-SFO will be added by United for next summer, do hope that AA stay as by the way things are/will be going nearly all US fights will be with United and Aer Lingus.

UA are restarting SFO-CDG from April 2013 after they dropped it a few years ago due to very poor yeild. If they feel they can make profit from it now then DUB has a good chance.

[Mlinnie]

I really hope we get a Californian service next year but if UA operate it any idea what the frequency would be ? Or what aircraft would be used ? Maybe a 777 ?

Also about AA didn't people say last year that they weren't going to return this year ? And they did :S
Well if the rumors are true/false i still hope AA will return next summer, what are bookings like this year on the ORD route ?

[EI-A330-300]

Eithad CEO siad in London yesterday that the Abu Dhabi-Dublin route had been "very successful" for the UAE carrier and "you'll see more developments in coming weeks."

I know that a codeshare is coming with Aer Lingus but I have also head it going 2 daily or a larger aircraft on some of the current 10 weekly.

[Sober Lark]

Etihad appear to have demonstrated a superior commitment to Emirates on the Dublin route by having their own dedicated First and Business Class Lounge at DUB.

[quantumofcheese]

I think it must be recognised that, outside of AUH, EY's only Etihad Lounges are LHR, FRA, MAN and.. DUB, so a good sign that they've probably had DUB/EI plans for a while now.

[Jamie2k9]

I think that AA will be back and I read the same on other fourms. AA have added a restart date for 2 April 2013 and two other European routes from Chicago to Helsinki and Rome are not bookable for 2013 and have no dates added. I wouldn't be suprised if UA also started it regarudless of AA staying or leaving.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

According to another site Aeroflot are not starting Dublin until March 2015, 3 weekly, A320. A Goverment minister and Aeroflot have said they expected it in March 2013.

[dublinaviator]

How can you plan a route 3 years in advance?

[stab3.5up]

I think the aeroflot is up there with air inda in the it might happen someday !!

[Mlinnie]

How likely Is it that next year Dublin gets new routes to Inverness, Dundee and Newquay ? Say with EIR or BE ?

[stab3.5up]

Nothing would be a surprise maybe even bmi regional?

[Jamie2k9]

Turkish Airlines - Istanbul increases from 7 to 10 weekly

Aer Lingus - Chicago increases from 7 to 11 weekly and Boston increases from 11 to 12 weekly - extra aircraft which is required still has a Tues and Thur slot left to fill - lightly IAD-MAD A332 coming back in March.

Both take affect from 30 March 2013.

[Mlinnie]

Is there an incident at the airport tonight ? I noticed a AA757 going from Heathrow to Boston turning back and landing I'm Dublin now all the flights arriving into Dublin are circling the airport ?

[EISNN]

http://http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0803/dublin-flights-on-hold-after-emergency-landing.html

[Jamie2k9]

Hydraulic problems with the nose steering and runway inspection after landing.

[onyxcrowle]

Caused total chaos many flights diverted to Shannon , Belfast and even two diverted to Manchester

[francis omahony]

and liverpool

[onyxcrowle]

And I think I Heard Shannon divert one to Derry , that had already diverted from Dublin. One bound for alder grove had to divert to Shannon as aldergrove was full

[j636]

Could the second runway not of being braught into operation?

[Jamie2k9]

The aircraft stopped in the protected area of 16 which ment it couldn't be used and both had to be closed.

[EI-A330-300]

I think that AA will be back and I read the same on other fourms. AA have added a restart date for 2 April 2013 and two other European routes from Chicago to Helsinki and Rome are not bookable for 2013 and have no dates added.

I think this confims that AA will be back:

American Airlines to Cancel Summer Seasonal Chicago – Helsinki / Rome in S13 | Airline Route – Worldwide Airline Route Updates (http://airlineroute.net/2012/08/04/aa-helfco-s13/?utm_source=twitter%2C%2Bweibo&utm_medium=Social%2BMedia&utm_campaign=Tweets120804)

[EISNN]

Without trying upset or offend anyone would it not have been better to divert aircraft to SNN/ORK/NOC where there would've been less disruptions?

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Noc was closed.
Ork don't think anyone diverted there? Weather?

Have read the same comment on a few sites. DUB was pickesd because hydraulic problems particualy with no nose steering affect the aircraft ability to land saftely and a major emergancy plan was activated and many hospitails near the airport were put on standby and in the event of a crash landing which was prepared for passengers would get to hospitial quicker. That and the fact AA have gound staff at the airport and somebody to carry out maintance as they operate here daily.

Off topic but AA have picked DUB for the last few divertions they have needed.

[BFS BHD]

Anyone that whats to no the AA that made the Divert into DUB last night has took off again going to USA as AA9233!

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Have heard that British Airways will be night stopping 2 aircraft from November with 2 morning flights. One around 06.30 and other around 07.45 and the first arrival around 08.00 and departing again at around 08.45. Reported that LHR will be 5 or 6 daily for winter.

This is not on the BA website yet but is there any accurate info in it.

[Jamie2k9]

I have saw a BA schedule which show BA operating up to 8 daily flights Sunday - Friday and 7 daily on Saturday. Waiting to see if it appears on BA site before I post it but what I have saw is from BA.

And yes it shows two aircraft night stopping.

[Fairdealfrank]

Quote: "I have saw a BA schedule which show BA operating up to 8 daily flights Sunday - Friday and 7 daily on Saturday. Waiting to see if it appears on BA site before I post it but what I have saw is from BA."

Good! that's back up to the old BD frequency of a few years ago.

[stab3.5up]

Makes good commercial sense if true.

[mutt]

Do BA have the same draconian baggage polices as EI/BD?

I'm happy as they offer concession travel :ok:

Mutt

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Dublin Airport is expected to handle 35,000 passengers traveling to the United States on 2 September after the match at the Aviva. They majority will be flying direct from Dublin with a small amount going via European hubs.

[Fairdealfrank]

Sorry to be ignorant, what's on at the Aviva?

Is the Aviva what used to be the rugby stadium called "Lansdowne Road"?

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Is the Aviva what used to be the rugby stadium called "Lansdowne Road"?


Yes and this game is on:

Notre Dame Dublin game could be worth close to $100 million to Irish economy | Irish News and Politics spanning the US, Ireland and the World | IrishCentral (http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Notre-Dame-Dublin-game-could-be-worth-close-to-100-million-to-Irish-economy-165103376.html)

[lfc84]

google it, like i did

[stab3.5up]

Ba offer v generous baggage allowanve inc in ticket price

[irish lad]

Is there a massive amount of flights from Dublin to the US on the 2nd of Sept???
Cant see how the airport will handle 35,000 people to the US in one day...

[Aerlingus231]

How will that work though? Taking a ball park figure of 350 pax per TA flight, [okay, slightly less, but work with me here], then that's 100 extra flights in the one day, in the height of the summer season!!! No way that would work, probably spread more over 3-4 days I'd say...

[Jamie2k9]

There is around 5,000 seats outbound on scheduled direct flights to the US on 2 September, flights to LHR, AMS, FRA are also heavily booked. 35,000 is most lightly over a few days.

[Fairdealfrank]

Thanks for the info, EI-EIDW!

[ryan2000]

Organisers of big events frequently exaggerate their impact on airports and on retail outlets.

[mutt]

More than 23kg (51lb) and less than 32kg (70lb)* £40 or local equivalent at check-in ($60 from any US departure airport)

Euro Traveller UK Domestic 1 bag £34/$51/€43 £34/$51/€43

21:30 13 Aug 22:50 13 Aug Heathrow (London) Dublin BA8136


Considering that they have good connections and a suitable baggage policy, I would recommend them over EI or even BD :ok::ok:

Mutt

[stab3.5up]

Will be a challenging few days as we know how calm americans can be when things get delayed or go wrong!..... i jest in case an Amwerican son here reading.

I would say will be a spotters paradise alright!!

[DollarBill]

I doubt it will be "a spotters paradise" but we should see a lot of extra activity. So far I think the only unusual visitor planned is a North American B767-200.

I'm sure the others will be the usual USA carriers. We may see some Omni action too.

[airbourne]

Will the Navy team be coming in commercial or hitch a ride with one of their birds?

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Don't think anyone has posted it here yet but Air Canada have extended DUB-YYZ summer service and increased flights.

Flights were planned to finish on 30 September and reduce from daily to 4 weekly from 18 to 30 September.

Flights will now continue to operate daily until 2 October and then reduce to 4 weekly and finish on 14 October.

[quantumofcheese]

2 World Airways MD-11s are due in also

Possibly an Atlas Air 747 or 767 too

[NWSRG]

Quick question...are all transatlantic flights now operated from T2?

[IrishFlyer2013]

Yes all EI Transatlantic flights from Dublin are operated from Terminal 2. This has been the case for well over a year now.

[NWSRG]

Thanks! MCO soon hopefully...:ok:

[Jamie2k9]

Almost sure one of the five Aer Lingus T/A flights arrives at Pier B certain days.

[CallBell]

On occasion it appears that pier B is used for one arrival but pax are still processed through T2. All departures are from T2 and the attached pier E.

[Mlinnie]

What's wrong with tonight's Abu Dhabi flight ? It took off from dublin about half an hour ago and is now returning back to the airport ?

[dublinaviator]

Medical emergency.

[TRY2FLY]

http://businessetc.thejournal.ie/british-airways-dublin-london-heathrow-559903-Aug2012/

How does this look for the EI code share?

[SecondDog]

Anyone know how much it costs to have the US border clearance at DUB?

[EI-BUD]

So BA announce doubling of frequency on DUB LHR Effective end of October but no sign of the new timings on the route. The old bmi timetable still stands with 4 a day and 2 of the flights often timed close together.

When will the new timetable come into being? In addition, the prices are around €70-€75 each way on most dates across Dec and Jan, based on the 4 daily, do these prices reflect that the flights are already quite heavily booked???

Seems pricey so far in advance...

[PPRuNeUser0176]

EI-BUD

Jamie2k9 said that he saw the timetable for the 8 daily flights and he said he would post it once its made official by BA. Mabye he will post it lather.

[Mlinnie]

Well there seems to be a 6.25am departure from Dublin :ok:

[Jamie2k9]

Anyone know how much it costs to have the US border clearance at DUB?

Each passenger pays €7.50.

BA planned timeable which was loaded a few weeks ago, subject to change when loaded onto BA website.

Dublin-LHR
06.25-07.45 - Monday-Friday

06.45-08.00 - Wednesday
07.30-08.50 - Saturday
07.35-08.50 - Thursday, Sunday
07.45-09.00 - Monday, Tuesday, Friday

08.45-10.05 - Monday-Saurday
09.15-10.35 - Sunday

10.50-12.00 - Monday-Sunday

11.40-13.00 - Wednesday
11.45-13.00 - Saturday, Sunday
11.55-13.15 - Monday
12.40-14.00 - Thursday
12.55-14.15 - Tuesday, Friday

14.35-15.50 - Monday-Sunday

18.45-19.55 - Monday-Sunday

19.40-20.55 - Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday
19.50-21.00 - Friday, Monday

LHR-Dublin
06.55-08.05 - Monday-Saturday

07.50-09.05 - Tuesday, Wednesday
07.55-09.05 - Monday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday
08.55-10.05 - Sunday

09.50-11.05 - Sunday-Friday
09.55-11.10 - Saturday

12.30-13.45 - Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Saturday
12.35-13.50 - Thursday, Saturday
12.45-14.00 - Friday

16.50-18.00 - Saturday, Sunday
17.00-18.10 - Monday-Friday

17.50-19.00 - Sunday-Thursday
18.00-19.10 - Friday

20.10-21.20 - Saturday-Thursday

21.15-22.25 - Monday-Sunday

2 aircraft night stopping. Most on A320 but some A319 appear.

[irishlad06]

Honestly looks like a slot filler timetable.

[BAladdy]

Below is the planned combined W12/13 schedule for flight to LHR.

EI0149 LHR 06:50 DUB 08:10 x7
BA0832 LHR 06:55 DUB 08:05 x7
BA0830 LHR 07:50 DUB 09:05 x7
EI0151 LHR 07:50 DUB 09:10 D
EI0153 LHR 08:50 DUB 10:05 D
BA0830 LHR 08:55 DUB 10:05 7
BA0834 LHR 09:50 DUB 11:05 x6
BA0834 LHR 09:55 DUB 11:10 6
EI0155 LHR 10:00 DUB 11:15 D
EI0157 LHR 11:05 DUB 12:25 D
BA0836 LHR 12:30 DUB 13:45 x456
BA0836 LHR 12:35 DUB 13:50 46
EI0159 LHR 12:35 DUB 13:55 D
BA0836 LHR 12:45 DUB 14:00 5
EI0163 LHR 14:25 DUB 15:45 D
EI0169 LHR 16:20 DUB 17:35 D
BA0838 LHR 16:50 DUB 18:00 17
BA0838 LHR 17:00 DUB 18:10 x17
EI0173 LHR 17:45 DUB 19:05 D
BA0828 LHR 17:50 DUB 19:00 x56
BA0828 LHR 18:00 DUB 19:10 5
EI0175 LHR 18:45 DUB 20:00 D
EI0177 LHR 19:45 DUB 21:05 x6
BA0826 LHR 20:10 DUB 21:20 x57
EI0179 LHR 20:45 DUB 22:00 D
BA0824 LHR 21:15 DUB 22:25 D


BA0823 DUB 06:25 LHR 07:40 x67
EI0152 DUB 06:40 LHR 08:05 D
BA0831 DUB 06:45 LHR 08:00 3
BA0823 DUB 07:30 LHR 08:50 7
BA0831 DUB 07:35 LHR 08:50 46
BA0831 DUB 07:45 LHR 09:00 125
EI0154 DUB 07:45 LHR 09:10 D
BA0833 DUB 08:45 LHR 10:05 x7
EI0156 DUB 09:00 LHR 10:20 D
BA0843 DUB 09:15 LHR 10:35 7
EI0158 DUB 10:20 LHR 11:40 D
BA0845 DUB 10:50 LHR 12:05 D
BA0835 DUB 11:45 LHR 13:05 x245
EI0162 DUB 12:10 LHR 13:30 D
BA0835 DUB 12:40 LHR 14:00 4
BA0835 DUB 12:55 LHR 14:15 25
EI0168 DUB 14:10 LHR 15:25 D
BA0837 DUB 14:35 LHR 15:50 D
EI0172 DUB 15:30 LHR 16:50 D
EI0174 DUB 16:30 LHR 17:50 D
EI0176 DUB 17:30 LHR 18:50 x6
EI0178 DUB 18:30 LHR 19:50 D
BA0839 DUB 18:45 LHR 19:55 D
BA0829 DUB 19:40 LHR 20:55 x156
BA0829 DUB 19:40 LHR 20:55 x156
EI0184 DUB 19:45 LHR 21:05 D
BA0829 DUB 19:50 LHR 21:00 15
EI0186 DUB 20:45 LHR 22:05 x6


BA's flights will be operated either by a A319 or a A320 aircraft configured to offer a two class service, Club Europe and Euro Traveller. All flights will operate to and from Terminal 1 at LHR.

[Jamie2k9]

Over 2 million passengers in July down 0.7% due to domestic closures on 21 July 2011.

UK - 620,000 down 6%
European - 1.2 million up 1%
Transatlantic - 190,000 flat (good considering a slight reduction in seats)
Middle East/Africa - 46,000 up 75%
Domestic - 6,000 down 53%

Almost 11 million year to date less than 1% decline.

Latest News > More Than 2M Passengers Used Dublin Airport in July (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/12-08-16/More_Than_2M_Passengers_Used_Dublin_Airport_in_July.aspx)

[Mlinnie]

Good to hear that the passenger numbers are almost level with last year :ok:

On another note how likely is it that next we could see these routes being operated ?

Reykjavik with Icelandair
Los Angeles or San Francisco with United
Moscow with Aeroflot
Tel Aviv with EL AI
Luxembourg with Cityjet ?

Thanks :O

[Charlie Roy]

Great post BAladdy regarding the EI/BA combined DUB-LHR schedule! :ok:

[Tom the Tenor]

Dont forget to include a Cork to Dublin in that list!

We, in Cork, are lost without it! ;)

[quantumofcheese]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6NRreKNFnw&feature=plcp

[MidlandDeltic]

How does this look for the EI code share?

Dead in the water I suspect - unless they ARE just short-term slot-fillers. Certainly, if BA are operating two-class, all business class transfer traffic will migrate to BA. Where this leaves Cork and Shannon is anyones guess.

Why would BA do this? My own theory is that EI tying up with Etihad is a factor, as it would channel Ireland - Middle East and potentially Ireland - Far East / Australia traffic away from LHR and, by extension, BA. By operating their own services they can defend those markets.

Just my 2c.

MD

[stab3.5up]

Or maybe Willie W just is giving EI the two fingers. Either way you look at it it is kinda hard to beat what BA are offering now, as it is one airline from DUB to end destination.

And i guess EI cant exactly start a price war or BA would I suspect pull the codeshare. I have heard from a source who says that he knows for sure that a work friend of his has assured him that he heard through the grapevine that BA are also looking at LGW from DUB and one more possible destination ex-DUB. Can anyone shed any light on this?

[TSR2]

I have heard from a source who says that he knows for sure that a work friend of his has assured him that he heard through the grapevine

That's a cracker.

[DublinPole]

Can't see Cork to Dublin coming back, now the train has come down in price (http://www.irishrail.ie/cat_offers.jsp?i=4577) if booked ahead and now there are express non stop luxury coaches (http://www.aircoach.ie/media/cork%20120906.pdf) between the two cities. There is now even less of a demand for it than there was when it was first stopped.

[Skipness One Echo]

There appears to be an understanding that against your common garden variety legacy carrier, it's just competition. There is some degree of respect between the old flag carriers and some of the new guys, even between the likes of BA and EZY. However the middle Eastern goliaths are seen by some (not all) as to be beyond the pale and by getting into bed with Etihad, Aer Lingus have crossed a line. These airlines are perhaps (feared) seen in a way that KLM and Lufthansa are not.

[EI-A330-300]

Skipness One Echo you are right about EY/EI thing but my view is:
BA timetable for coming winter is a slot filler as with new LBA service.
Don't think the 8 daily will be carried through next summer.
BA might be P***** of with EI now but in a year or two BA will drop Dublin flights a substancial amount or a possible full pull out when they find more profitable routes to use the slots and will have no choice but to come back to EI for there feed from DUB,ORK,SNN
Also EI feed the majority of long haul carriers at LHR and I also think that BA are possible anoyed that EI are taking a substancial % of UK regional T/A traffic which would normally go through LHR. (ABZ, EDI, MAN, GLA in particular)

[j636]

According to EK CEO a second flight to Dublin will be added within 18 months but I have read a few places that it could be much sooner than that.

[Skipness One Echo]

BA timetable for coming winter is a slot filler as with new LBA service.
It's clearly a partial slot filler, that's not the same thing as holding to drop a route. Is there a compelling reason why Ireland ought to be the only major European capital without a BA LHR connection? BA lost money as their cost base was out of kilter with the market, that has been rectified and as Mixed Fleet grows that will only get better.
I am old enough to remember Aer Lingus replacing jets (BAC111 / B737) on the Scottish routes with Fokker 50s and increasing frequency, with a view to feeding DUB and long haul. It did not set the heather alight then, nor will it do so now. Even with preclearance and all the good stuff therein, Aer Lingus is a minor player on the atlantic, commeasurate with the size of it's home market.
BA are possible anoyed that EI are taking a substancial % of UK regional T/A traffic which would normally go through LHR. (ABZ, EDI, MAN, GLA in particular) It's not substantial given EI are only offering five flights daily ex DUB to popular BA destinations and feeding with ATRs. Having said that I do agree that EI is a very good option from those regions, however EI have never taken it to the limit of possibilities therein. I still recall an article about the SF340 NCL-DUB-JFK service where the Newcastle Airport manager got practically moist at what this was going to become. We're still waiting 20+ years later. Aviation is cruelly cyclical!

You say BA will pull out when they find more profitable uses for the slots, however BA need the short haul feed to make those long haul routes work, and the BA product on short haul is better than EI, in my view. Also given Mr Walsh's heritage it would be a brave exec who pushed for a Belfast/Dublin pull out without a watertight business case. I also suspect LBA may yet work out as BA have happily taken an axe to the remaining BMI network, there does appear to be room for both.

[dublinaviator]

Emirates to sponsor MasterChef Ireland on RTÉ, which "will include an Emirates-dedicated task, challenging contestants to prepare and cook a First Class meal with produce that will work at altitude":

Emirates to be sole sponsor of MasterChef Ireland - Marketing - Marketing | Ireland's online business and management news service - Businessandleadership.com (http://www.businessandleadership.com/marketing/item/36710-emirates-to-sponsor/)

Emirates CEO, Tim Clark, will also appear in one of the episodes as a judge.

[Sober Lark]

Emirates are also to sponsor DIY SOS where contestants are building a dedicated EK first and business class lounge for use of their customers in DUB.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Emirates are also to sponsor DIY SOS where contestants are building a dedicated EK first and business class lounge for use of their customers in DUB.

where will it be located, beside EI/EY ones?

[stab3.5up]

have just flown with ba frm lhr. what a fantastic product on offer. ei have a lot to do to offer a service similar. im happy to pay a few euros more to be treated as a person not just a passenfer. good luck ba.

[EuroWings]

have just flown with ba frm lhr. what a fantastic product on offer. ei have a lot to do to offer a service similar. im happy to pay a few euros more to be treated as a person not just a passenfer. good luck ba.

Where does bmi fit in here? Dublin isn't a BA start up. The services out of Heathrow T1 don't seem to have changed all that much since the takeover, the only changes I noticed was the aircraft's exterior livery and the BA branded tea/coffee cups and snack (complimentary now)! The staff were in bmi uniforms a month ago, except with stickers on their name badges...

...it's a nice product, but not terribly inferior to what bmi offered. Major difference is OneWorld and frequency.

[stab3.5up]

anyone any news as too how the winter is looking for airlines routes etc ex dub?

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Latest News > Temporary Relocation Of Some Airline Check-in Desks T1, Dublin Airport (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/12-08-30/Temporary_Relocation_Of_Some_Airline_Check-in_Desks_T1_Dublin_Airport.aspx)

What are they doing up at the main check-in area?

[stab3.5up]

more shops if its the daa

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Minister for Transport said today that a new route to Russia and Canada will be announced soon.

So its SU to Moscow and not in 2014 as was stated elsewhere and believed that Air Canada's new loco will take over Dublin year round which they have said a number of times recently in press releases or could it be EI although they would need another aircraft.

[stab3.5up]

where did he say it?

[Cyrano]

Here (https://twitter.com/breakfastnt/statuses/242526393764835328), it would appear.

[stab3.5up]

well if a govt minister says so it must be true.

[Mlinnie]

Falcon Holidays are offering two day trip flights to Rovaniemi (Lapland) during December 2012. One on Friday 7th December and one on 14th December.

Dublin-Rovaniemi. Rovaniemi-Dublin
Departs:07:00. Departs: 19:30
Arrives: 12:20 Arrives: 21:00

Both flights operated by Thomson Airways.

[stab3.5up]

if the ba thread is anything to go on the ba lcy-snn-jfk flts look like they may be comingto dub? is it likely!!

[Airbus321-200]

US Pre clearance closes in DUB earlier than SNN so i doubt we'll see the BA LCY services at DUB unless they open later ( which i very much doubt).

[ayroplain]

Just looking the other day from airside at that old terminal building at DUB. It looks really scruffy ugly on the outside and is in dire need of a dash of paint. Is it actually being used for something or is it a complete waste of space and will just sit there forever preventing any further redevelopment in that area?

[Jamie2k9]

BA will not be operating 8 daily LHR flights. Its now showing as 7 daily Sun-Thu, 6 on Fri and 5 on Sat. However more have being changed from an A319 to A320 including the two morning flights from DUB.

Iberia Express have confirmed there winter schedule and MAD is 4 weekly. Increase in seat from last year as it was CRJ.

[stab3.5up]

i believe the 8th rotation is still on the cards but not as yet released with the possiblility of further increase in new year.
But like all things aviation when it happens it will happen!

[ayroplain]

SIPTU serves notice of industrial action on DAA - RT News (http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0911/siptu-authorise-potential-industrial-action-at-daa-business.html)

SIPTU leader Jack O'Connor said that this was a unique situation where the row was not the fault of Aer Lingus, the DAA or the unions, but that the blame lay with the Pensions Regulator.

So his answer is to set out to greatly inconvenience the blameless as well as the travelling public, tourists and anyone else who has to fly to make a living.
Hundreds of thousands of people have similar problems with their pension schemes and have to live with it.
If these shysters go on strike sack them all and bring in the unemployed who are just waiting for an opportunity to start doing an honest day's work again with or without a pension.

[Cian]

Just looking the other day from airside at that old terminal building at DUB. It looks really scruffy ugly on the outside and is in dire need of a dash of paint. Is it actually being used for something or is it a complete waste of space and will just sit there forever preventing any further redevelopment in that area?


Ground floor is used for non-contact gates; generally only Aer Lingus Regional these days. Was in a mess last time I flew out of there as it was being refurbished inside, the extremely limited food outlets shut and so on.

You can easily take a look if flying out of Pier A - just head back towards passport control, I can't remember the gate numbers it uses though.

I believe the upper floors are used as offices; and the original second terminal, the North Terminal (from before the current Terminal 1 was built) is used as the Garda station and offices for cargo handlers I think. The DAA have no qualms in asking for buildings to be de-listed if they get in the way, just look at what happened to Corballis House!

[ayroplain]

Thanks for your reply, Cian.
Pity the DAA didn't delist it before Pier D was built. Could have knocked a quarter of a mile off the walk out to it.

[Jamie2k9]

i believe the 8th rotation is still on the cards but not as yet released with the possiblility of further increase in new year.
But like all things aviation when it happens it will happen!


Indeed showing from March. There is a large increase in capacity between DUB-London from October so not suprising it was dropped for now.

Over 2 million passengers in August up 2%

Europe 1.1 million up 2.5%
UK 635,000 down 3%
Middle East/Africa 47,000 up 78%
Transatlantic 193,000 up 4%
Domestic 7,000 down 21% (FR were operating ORK until October 2011)

Year to date almost 13 million level on 2011

Latest News > Over 2m Passengers Use Dublin Airport In August (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/12-09-13/Over_2m_Passengers_Use_Dublin_Airport_In_August.aspx)

[stab3.5up]

Any truth that ba also looking at lgw frm dub as well as other routes?

[irishlad06]

doubt that they are looking at other routes, they could possibly be looking at LGW but couldnt see it

[Mlinnie]

Is there a chance that we could see Cityjet taking on the Luxembourg route which was left by Luxair ?

[akerosid]

I don't know for certain but I'd be extremely surprised; apart from the fact that it would mean going up against two carriers with lower cost bases than theirs.

The main reason, however, is that BA is having enough trouble keeping its fleet of 734s going; they regularly have to hire in acft from Titan and others. Having visited LGW quite recently, it seems to be 50+% Easyjet and I can only see that trend continuing; ultimately, I see BA winding down its short haul presence, not increase it.

[clareview]

Highly unlikely - Lux cound not fill emb so hard to see Cityjet filling either RJ or F50, particularly as it is in poor shape, downsizing its fleet and being considered for sale by Air France

[stab3.5up]

It was prob one of the most expensive routes per mile from dublin.

[ryan2000]

Even Heathrow Luxembourg couldn't support a 737. I'd say the proximity of low cost German airports such as Hahn and Brussels Charleroi has diluted their Catchment area.

[Mlinnie]

Latest News > Over 2m Passengers Use Dublin Airport In August (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/12-09-13/Over_2m_Passengers_Use_Dublin_Airport_In_August.aspx)

[Skipness One Echo]

Even Heathrow Luxembourg couldn't support a 737.
BA use an A319 twice daily, although Luxair manage four daily DHC8-Q400s out of LCY.

[cornishsimon]

Any truth that ba also looking at lgw frm dub as well as other
routes?



How do you mean and others ?

But considering BA now have a large operation at DUB with what 8 daily flights to LHR, why not add a couple of daily rotations to LGW as well ?

After all the handling, lounges, etc etc etc is all in place at DUB.

In response to another poster, yes the 734 fleet is near the end, and i cant wait to see what BA have planned at Gatters, rumours of a fleet order are still knocking around, suggestion also is that eventually some of the ex BD shorthaul Airbus fleet will fill filter down to LGW at some stage.

But currently nothing has been announced, its all down to the BA LGW MD putting a business case for new aircraft to the BA board


cs

[EI-BUD]

BA axed DUB LGW at the start of the recession in Ireland. Competition was intense with gross over capacity. Can't see it being an attractive proposition now.

The DUB London route will have significant extra capacity when BA step LHR up to 7/8 per day, hence another reason LGW won't reappear.

[Jamie2k9]

Air France will be reducing CDG for summer 2013 as part of a review of European services. Currently approx 20 European routes to be reduced/cancelled. The following flight will be dropped.

AF1979-19.30-22.20 DUB-CDG
AF1778-21.15-22.15 CDG-DUB
(Operate Sun-Fri)

Blue Air have released summer 2013 and Bucharest increases from 2 to 3 weekly from 5 July-9 September. Bacau is unchanged.

Air Baltic have released Riga for 2013 and it will operate as it did this summer.

[DublinPole]

As posted on the Ryanair thread

RYANAIR NEW ROUTE:
Lublin to Dublin (2x Weekly from 18th December)

[ayroplain]

With less than a week to go is there any more news on the proposed industrial action by siptu next Monday at the main Irish airports?
I'm not travelling myself but some close friends are (with BA not EI) and have connections to make at LHR. They're already looking at seaferry options. The lack of any news is causing them a lot of worry.

[dublinaviator]

The DAA today applied to the High Court for an injunction to stop the strikes on Monday. The case is to be heard on Friday:

DAA seeks to prevent strike action - The Irish Times - Tue, Sep 25, 2012 (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0925/breaking26.html)

The Sunday Business Post - DAA to seek injunction to stop airport strikes (http://www.businesspost.ie/#!story/Home/News/DAA+to+seek+injunction+to+stop+airport+strikes/id/19410615-5218-5061-a619-72f8a6790457)

Dublin Airport Authority attempts to stop SIPTU industrial action - RTÉ News (http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0925/dublin-airport-authority-siptu.html)

[ayroplain]

Thanks dublinaviator. So, we should know on Friday.
If the injunction fails then let's hope legislation will be rushed through to outlaw strikes that close airports. Not much chance, though, with the Labour Party in Government.

[stab3.5up]

It is the winter of our discontent !!

[racedo]

It is the winter of our discontent !!

Sounds like a slogan for a supermarket where dicontent becomes discount...........

[ayroplain]

Just heard on RTE News online that EI are threatening to sue the union for any losses incurred if they strike - €2m a day estimated. That'll reduce their strike moneypot some.

[GAZMO]

If the Union Ballot was proper and is legal, how can they sue?

[ayroplain]

Just found this on the Irish Times website which may explain it for you.

Aer Lingus says it will sue Siptu over action - The Irish Times - Wed, Sep 26, 2012 (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2012/0926/1224324429488.html?via=rel)

and this:
Background - The Irish Times - Wed, Sep 26, 2012 (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0926/1224324428047.html?via=rel?via=rel)

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Press Releases > DAA Appoints Kevin Toland As Chief Executive (http://www.daa.ie/gns/media-centre/press-releases/12-09-26/DAA_Appoints_Kevin_Toland_As_Chief_Executive.aspx)

In regaurd to strikes I would say thre is a very high chance an injunction willbe granted.

[NWSRG]

Was 34 in use today for arrivals? Seen an EI A320 coming in over the port area...

[PPRuNeUser0176]

strikes have being deferred

[stab3.5up]

No surprise really. we just dont have the collective balls that the greek spanish etc have to on strike and make a point.

[ayroplain]

No surprise really. we just dont have the collective balls that the greek spanish etc have to on strike and make a point.
And cost their countries further millions in lost work, damage to property and injury or worse to their police force.
siptu has never let much if anything stop them disrupting the country in the past. On this occasion they saw their moneypot about to roll off the edge.

[MCDU2]

Who was going on strike? I thought it was a 2hr rolling work stoppage. You weren't seduced by all the hype that the media were fed by the employers now were ya?

Now for a good ole fashioned strike you want to read up on Lech Walesa. Now he knew how to close a place down.

[ayroplain]

Coming out through DUB the other day I noticed a couple of things.

As you exit security you have the wall-mounted Departure Board screens in front of you. Previously, your Gate No. was already up even a couple of hours before your flight but now this has changed and you see that your gate will show only an hour before your flight time. Now, I know this is not unusual but other airports that use this system have a dedicated lounge where everyone waits. There is no such lounge at DUB. So, to recap, pax exiting security see the screens (located in a narrow corridor) showing what time their gate info will appear. It could be gates in the 100, 200 or 300 series. Where are they supposed to wait?

The second point concerns Pier D which is 90% plus for Ryanair pax. About 100 yds into this long walk there is a floor standing sign stating that this walkway is for gates 100 -121 only and pax should CHECK THE GATE NO. ON THEIR BOARDING PASSES before proceeding. Now, when was the last time you saw your gate no. printed on your (home printed) boarding passes?

[Stevek]

They have a fair sized public seating area now opposite Wright of Howth. I don't think that sign mentions a boarding pass.

[CallBell]

I have noticed that too Ayro. But if you are in T2 and your flight is using the "300" gates the FIDS will show you the gate number. It will only display "wait for gate" if you are departing from the "400" gates. The gate will usually be displayed at about 45 mins prior to departure but if you walk along to the FIDS at gate 413 all gate numbers are displayed hours ahead of departure. I think it is the DAA's attempt to keep people in the main shopping/eating area in T2.

[ayroplain]

I should have mentioned my original post was in respect of T1.

They have a fair sized public seating area now opposite Wright of Howth. I don't think that sign mentions a boarding pass.
Had a friend coming through DUB on FR today and asked him to get me a pic of this sign. So, especially for you Steve :)

http://imageshack.us/a/img6/2636/pierdz.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/6/pierdz.jpg/)

[PPRuNeUser0176]

From all my flights at T2 the departure gates have always being like that. 300 gates are always up so people can't make excuses as to why they missed the flights etc. I havn't noticed that further up Pier E the gates are up but will see next time but they always only put them up 45 mins before departure. Its makes sense in some ways as most gates have limited seating and it stops passengers who are not travling on x flight to be sitting at the gate taken up seats when there is no need. They also do have a large seating area at the top of Pier E so passengers don't have to stay in the shopping area!

[EI-A330-300]

Unions seek €330m from Aer Lingus and DAA to resolve pension deficit row - RT News (http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1005/aer-lingus-daa-pensions.html)

330million needs to be given from EI and DAA or stirkes will happen. Its a cheek for unions to expect DAA and EI to pay part of it when they had nothing to do with it.

[Jamie2k9]

Over 1.8 million passengers in September up 7%

Europe over 1 million up 8%
UK 580,000 up 1%
Transatlantic 178,000 up 7%
Middle East/Africa 45,000 up 82%
Domestic 6,000 down 17% (FR ORK route)

Year to date 14.8 million up 1%

Some seasonal cut backs that happen early September didn't happen this year.

Latest News > Over 1.8 Million Passengers Through Dublin Airport In September 2012 (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/12-10-08/Over_1_8_Million_Passengers_Through_Dublin_Airport_In_Septem ber_2012.aspx)

[clareview]

The important issues from these figures will be maintaining the Middle East numbers in the long term and sustaining the US traffic at these levels. Domestic is a bit of a red herring as it was mostly PSO which has been cut back but was not sustainable anyway

[PPRuNeUser0176]

2012 will be down on 2011 unless October see the same growth that September has and thats unlightly but think it will see some growth. November and December are almost certain to down or just about level on 2011.

[Sober Lark]

Middle East pax would have previously gone with the likes of BA, SQ, MH and QF, etc to Australasia via the likes of LHR, AMS, FRA, CPH, CDG.

Two million Australians claimed Ireland was their main country of their ancestry (source 2006 census). Remember the hopes for a direct SQ service from DUB? Now at last we have a one stop convenient service with fantastic and increasing connections via AUH and DXB. Tourism and emigration will keep EY and EK happy.

[stab3.5up]

Can you get stats on cargo going in and out of DUB. I think that this may be the elephant in the room as regarding economics at DUB. Not so long ago we had 3 x a week SQ and the AF as well as the AMS A300 on a Sat and the TNT used to be an A300 every night, well almost every night


Would be very interesting to see the stats regarding cargo over the last few years.

[akerosid]

I'd be very interested in seeing these stats too; one thing I know, from previous experience, is that the DAA has very little interest in cargo. When they announced their €1b expansion of DUB a few years back (part of which was T2), not a single cent was dedicated to cargo; there is an area at the far side of 34/16, which is apparently to be set aside for cargo, but in the current environment I don't think it will happen.

It would be a pity to lose sight of this; exports can contribute a lot to economic growth; I know EY and EK carry a lot of freight out of DUB, but I think it could do with a dedicated freight service and both carriers (and QR too) have significant dedicated freight fleets.

If the DAA isn't willing to take an interest in this, perhaps an experienced international cargo operator could invest in a terminal?

[quantumofcheese]

Used to love seeing the AF Cargo 747 at DUB, but is it only 77F nowadays? Haven't seen the 747 there in a few months at least.. :/

✈ Air France Cargo B747-428F [F-GIUC] | Takeoff | Dublin Airport ✈ - YouTube

[dublinaviator]

I've seen an AF 744F out there a couple of times over the last few months.

[levis]

There is a dedicated cargo service and has been for the last 15 years ,DHL , they have a super hub west of the airport and run A300 every night but is currently been serviced with one of their brand new B767 300 , the DAA had plans to build a cargo ramp but concentrated on their shiny new T2 first and now they have no more money , so cargo apron tossed between down by south apron or the old transatlantic stand , Neely every international airport had its own cargo ramp but Dublin does not , and here is the governments mantra that exports will get us out of this recession , these 767 normally service JFK , CVG , LOS , HKG , but they are utilising it on the dub ema bru dub route for training
purposes !

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Emirates have said they have carried over 160,000 passengers and over 6000 tonnes of cargo for the first 9 months at Dublin. Was announced by the carrier officially opened there office in Dublin this week. They are also amazed at the numbers of Chinese, Japanese and Korean flying to DUB with them.

[Seljuk22]

EK started DUB on 09th January with a daily A332 (237 seats) and changed on 1st May to a daily B77W (360 seats).
I count 113 days with A332 (113 x 237 x 2) and 162 days (until 9th October to make it 9 months) with B77W (162 x 360 x 2). That makes a total of 170,202 seats offered in 9 months. Loads must be over 95% then!?
And the busy season to DXB and further to Australia still to come the next months.

[Mlinnie]

With the success of emirates at Dublin how is Etihad doing since Emirates came along ?

[EI-A330-300]

EK started DUB on 09th January with a daily A332 (237 seats) and changed on 1st May to a daily B77W (360 seats).
I count 113 days with A332 (113 x 237 x 2) and 162 days (until 9th October to make it 9 months) with B77W (162 x 360 x 2). That makes a total of 170,202 seats offered in 9 months. Loads must be over 95% then!?
And the busy season to DXB and further to Australia still to come the next months.


95% is about right every flight is almost both passenger and cargo daily. Think an evening flight is on the cards when aircraft are available. First does struggle to fill but expect thats on most routes. Don't have a breakdown of each class.

With the success of emirates at Dublin how is Etihad doing since Emirates came along ?

Etihad have increased there own passengers numbers every month so far this year so they are not being affect in terms of passengers but yields have to be down as EY are ripping people off before EK came along but the route is still very profitable.

[Mlinnie]

So is there a chance we could see Etihad also going double daily ?

[dubh12000]

I have flown home twice now from AUH with Etihad, and all 4 flights have been rammed. Unusually, little chance of points upgrades either, as business class was booked out on all 4 sectors too. I would make a guess at about 30 to 40 pax total picking up bags at AUH. Everyone else is transiting.

[dubh12000]

PS. EY lounge in DUB is not bad at all, even if it is pork bacon free....

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Used to love seeing the AF Cargo 747 at DUB, but is it only 77F nowadays? Haven't seen the 747 there in a few months at least..

747 was here on Saturday but the 777 is more common these days.

[Jamie2k9]

Aer Lingus have released most routes for 2013. Will not post exact details until later as many changes can be expected over the next few weeks.

Increase in weekly flights (most have 1/2 rotations added with more on T/A services)
Berlin, Bilbao, Boston, Brussels, Chicago, Copenhagen (New), Dubrovnik, Lanzarote, Lisbon, Munich, Nice, Paris, Perpignan, Rome

Reduced
Alicante, Budapest, Lyon

Travel Service will be operating charters for next May. Currently scheduled Fri-Sun. Would appear to replace the second based Thomson unit however not confirmed. Air Contractors will also increase there charter flights. Also 2 new weekly charters to Tenerife with Iberworld who will also be increasing there flights from DUB.

[Sober Lark]

Ryanair reduce Nice, Aer Lingus increase Nice.

MRS after you. No dear I insist after you. After all we're friends 30% of the time.

Such farcical competition.

[dublinaviator]

Ryanair reduce Nice, Aer Lingus increase Nice.

MRS after you. No dear I insist after you. After all we're friends 30% of the time.

Such farcical competition.

Spot on, I get sick of hearing people harp on about how if Ryanair took over Aer Lingus, there'd be no competition. Case in point - we don't have competition now anyway. It's the same story on the London routes. Aer Lingus and Ryanair are way too cosy on those routes, and there's very little difference, if any, in fares. As far as I'm concerned, if Ryanair took over Aer Lingus tomorrow, it wouldn't make a difference to competition, because again there is none as it is.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Ryanair havn't reduced Nice. Its operating longer this summer than last. EI were always strong on Nice compared to FR.

if Ryanair took over Aer Lingus tomorrow, it wouldn't make a difference to competition, because again there is none as it is.

It would a massive one. You will be paying much more to get to the costa than now. Everytime I have checked EI prices in summer with baggage and all EI have being cheeper and FR "claim" to be a loco.

FR are ripping passengers from Ireland off and people don't realise. All you need to do is compare prices from the UK. We pay almost double to get to AGP than passengers in the UK becasue they have MON,LS,EZY to keep FR at bay and the UK of APD of £24.

For a date in July next year EI are €55 cheeper than FR for a 1 adult DUB-AGP + bag. Its also false advertising on FR's behalf.

[Seljuk22]

Beside EK and EY don't forget TK with its various connecting destinations out of IST.

from 31st March DUB-IST will be increased from daily to 10 weekly
Turkish Airlines - Dublin flights will increase - turkishairlines.com (http://www.turkishairlines.com/en-int/corporate/news/14561/dublin-flights-will-increase)

[ayroplain]

It's the same story on the London routes. Aer Lingus and Ryanair are way too cosy on those routes, and there's very little difference, if any, in fares
If you are just talking about the fare with no baggage or other addons then I would have to disagree entirely if you're a reasonably regular traveller. Depending, of course, on how long you book in advance EI's fares London-Dublin are way in excess of FR. An added and important factor is the admin fee. Using the FR Cash Passport you don't have to pay the extra £12. Before that you could use one of the easily bought Mastercard Cash cards. EI only offers the unobtainable Visa Electron as an alternative so you can add £12 onto the fare for every return flight. How they have managed to get away with that for so long I don't know.

[dublinaviator]

If you are just talking about the fare with no baggage or other addons then I would have to disagree entirely if you're a reasonably regular traveller. Depending, of course, on how long you book in advance EI's fares London-Dublin are way in excess of FR. An added and important factor is the admin fee. Using the FR Cash Passport you don't have to pay the extra £12. Before that you could use one of the easily bought Mastercard Cash cards. EI only offers the unobtainable Visa Electron as an alternative so you can add £12 onto the fare for every return flight. How they have managed to get away with that for so long I don't know.

It goes both ways, but I'm obviously referring to fares which now have to include those 'hidden charges' anyway, so your point is irrelevant.

It would a massive one. You will be paying much more to get to the costa than now. Everytime I have checked EI prices in summer with baggage and all EI have being cheeper and FR "claim" to be a loco.

FR are ripping passengers from Ireland off and people don't realise. All you need to do is compare prices from the UK. We pay almost double to get to AGP than passengers in the UK becasue they have MON,LS,EZY to keep FR at bay and the UK of APD of £24.

For a date in July next year EI are €55 cheeper than FR for a 1 adult DUB-AGP + bag. Its also false advertising on FR's behalf.

I could pick out an example of Ryanair being €200 cheaper - what does that tell you? Nothing.

My own firm view (having previously been against it) is that Ryanair should be allowed takeover Aer Lingus as it would provide them with the capital they need to expand, which they can't obtain now. Ryanair has also raised the prospect of using it's own network as a feeder for Aer Lingus long-haul through Dublin, which it would only have access to in a Ryanair takeover. A Ryanair-Aer Lingus Group would also have a much more strengtened bargaining power to negotiate down the cost of airport charges and other costs than Aer Lingus has now on it's own.

I am sceptical of what it would do to competition, but then it's not like we have real competition now anyway. And then there's the question over whether it'd lead to Aer Lingus staff striking over new pay & conditions, what would happen to the Aer Lingus Regional franchise etc. But looking at the bigger picture, Aer Lingus need an investor, and tbh I'd rather they be part of a large Irish airline group than taken over by Etihad who will end up calling the shots from the sidelines like they are now with Air Berlin.

[waffler]

Dublinaviator,
Interesting view of what Aer Lingus may gain from a Ryanair takeover but a bit naive.
As I see it as an Aer Lingus employee, no matter what Mr O leary says ( remember him saying that he would not touch Aer Lingus with a bargepole )
He will do these things.
1. Take all the cash from Aer Lingus accounts and transfer them to Ryanair.
2. Sell Heathrow slots to the highest bidder with the exception of those he has
promised to BA , Virgin or whoever is pretending to provide compitition in
the event of his takeover.
3. Sell the short range Airbus aircraft that Aer Lingus own ( 60% of the fleet )
4. Terminate the contract with Aer Arann.
5. Force the existing staff out of the company by changing working conditions and forced redeployment overseas ( with the loss of millions to the exchequer)
6. Dictate avation policy to the airports , government and citizens.

I could go on but you get the point.
With so much to gain why would he not go for it.
He will promise anything for this prize, the chance to destroy his Irish competition at no cost to him.

You are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine however I have more to lose if I am right.

[Cyrano]

My own firm view (having previously been against it) is that Ryanair should be allowed takeover Aer Lingus as it would provide them with the capital they need to expand, which they can't obtain now.

Just out of curiosity, what in your view are the sensible expansion path(s) which Aer Lingus are currently blocked from by a supposed lack of funds?

C.

[Jamie2k9]

FR have no interest in EI short haul services, all they want is EI long haul network which will keep Ryanair profitable long term as they can't cut there costs a huge amount more, in fact they will increase and the short haul market is becoming more of a problem for FR and current profits will turn to losses unless they change there approch to Europe. Just on the UK-IRL fare differences they are substantial and only because they can get away with it.

[dublinaviator]

Dublinaviator,
Interesting view of what Aer Lingus may gain from a Ryanair takeover but a bit naive.
As I see it as an Aer Lingus employee, no matter what Mr O leary says ( remember him saying that he would not touch Aer Lingus with a bargepole )
He will do these things.
1. Take all the cash from Aer Lingus accounts and transfer them to Ryanair.

That's just pure scaremongering. Any new group that would be formed from a Ryanair takeover would share profits. I don't see what the problem is with that prospect?

2. Sell Heathrow slots to the highest bidder with the exception of those he has
promised to BA , Virgin or whoever is pretending to provide compitition in
the event of his takeover.

More than likely, were Ryanair allowed to takeover Aer Lingus, the European Commission would require them to release some LHR slots to other carriers. So that has to be expected. From a consumer point of view, I think it'd be good to have more competition on the DUB-LHR route.

3. Sell the short range Airbus aircraft that Aer Lingus own ( 60% of the fleet )

Aer Lingus are already doing this themselves. Since Christoph Mueller has taken over as CEO, the size of their long-haul and short-haul fleet has reduced and the size of their A321 fleet in particular has been cut in half. Ryanair on the other hand have stated they would grow the Aer Lingus short-haul and long-haul fleet. And they can do this because they have the capital to invest in new aircraft, and could also transfer Ryanair operated aircraft over to the Aer Lingus operation.

4. Terminate the contract with Aer Arann.

Aer Lingus already has the ability to terminate it's franchise with Aer Arann at any time. What if, when traffic picks up, they decide that franchise doesn't suit their business model anymore?

5. Force the existing staff out of the company by changing working conditions and forced redeployment overseas ( with the loss of millions to the exchequer)

Ryanair is one of the largest employers in this country and is constantly hiring people in their head office in Dublin. So the idea that they'd outsource all the Aer Lingus staff functions overseas is a bit daft.

What would more likely happen is Ryanair head office staff would actually move into Aer Lingus' offices in Hangar 6 in order to obtain synergies and efficiencies in management functions.

6. Dictate avation policy to the airports , government and citizens.

Wouldn't be hard to do considering the current government has no aviation policy. And on more than one occasion, Aer Lingus, Ryanair, Aer Arann, and even CityJet have come together to square up against the government and DAA. And it was Aer Lingus who threatened not to move into T2 unless they got the same terminal charges as airlines using T1. So lets not pretend Ryanair is the only airline that puts it up to the government/DAA.

[tom1975]

Dublinaviator -

That's just pure scaremongering. Any new group that would be formed from a Ryanair takeover would share profits. I don't see what the problem is with that prospect?
I don't see how this is scaremongering? It's a statement, that is likely to happen, but it is not something taht should block the transaction!

More than likely, were Ryanair allowed to takeover Aer Lingus, the European Commission would require them to release some LHR slots to other carriers. So that has to be expected. From a consumer point of view, I think it'd be good to have more competition on the DUB-LHR route.
While, BA are now also in this route, perhaps, a better fit, would be SNT or LGW. If EI access to LHR becomes mopre restrictive, or non existant, it shuts down access for many people with connections. People do not connect via STN, and there is no competition on the STN - DUB route...

Aer Lingus are already doing this themselves. Since Christoph Mueller has taken over as CEO, the size of their long-haul and short-haul fleet has reduced and the size of their A321 fleet in particular has been cut in half. Ryanair on the other hand have stated they would grow the Aer Lingus short-haul and long-haul fleet. And they can do this because they have the capital to invest in new aircraft, and could also transfer Ryanair operated aircraft over to the Aer Lingus operation.

Incorrect - EI short haul fleet has actually grown... yes, the 321 fleet is now smaller, but the 320 fleet, and 319 fleet is bigger. Your comments are misleading! Also keep in mind, EI have additional 319's coming, and the 350's on order!
Ryanair is one of the largest employers in this country and is constantly hiring people in their head office in Dublin. So the idea that they'd outsource all the Aer Lingus staff functions overseas is a bit daft.

What would more likely happen is Ryanair head office staff would actually move into Aer Lingus' offices in Hangar 6 in order to obtain synergies and efficiencies in management functions.

I actually find this comment more concerning... FR haven't really increased the space they have at Dublin, so constantly hiring at Dublin would also lead one to bellieve they also have massive turn over, and is NOT such a good place to work... they may be a large employer, but are they a good one!

[waffler]

Thanks for your reply, debate is good and makes people think about the impending situation as it affects many people.
I will let others comment on your reply but a few items stand out.

There is no compulsion for aircraft taking Aer Lingus slots at heathrow to serve Dublin forever.
Aer Lingus returned 3 A321s to leasing companies and kept the ones they own.
Ryanair themselves employ few people directly, most are employed through agencies but I will them describe the joys of that.
Perhaps you could research how much tax Ryanair paid to revenue in Ireland over the last few years to see if this takeover will benefit the government.

I see Ryanair submitted their proposals to the EU today.
It will be good to flesh out his headlines.

Rgds

[MCDU2]

Three months is all that the EU will require FR to pull off routes and open up competition. After 91 days expect the biggest "seat sale" that the world has seen. If you look back to recent history then you only have to see the blood on the floor when Easy tried flying into the Republic.

Even Veradkar who isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the box has acknowledged only last week that overseas/non irish airlines can't be expected to be loyal to Ireland. In other words they will scarper when the going gets tough. Also the LHR slots will be much more valuable flying somewhere else and no doubt with the right political posturing then they can turn them into long haul slots should the need arise in the future. The government acknowledged this about 6 months ago when they conceded that there is no cast iron way that they can ensure that the LHR slots are kept once they sell their shares.

Anyone that thinks that open competition will occur following an FR takeover is living in cloud cuckoo land.

[dublinaviator]

There is no compulsion for aircraft taking Aer Lingus slots at heathrow to serve Dublin forever.

True, but if there's money to be made...

Ryanair themselves employ few people directly, most are employed through agencies but I will them describe the joys of that.

Not the point I was trying to make though. They could base their Head Office in any country, some with better tax arrangements, but they choose to stay in Ireland.

Perhaps you could research how much tax Ryanair paid to revenue in Ireland over the last few years to see if this takeover will benefit the government.

According to their 2011 Annual Report, they paid €49.9m in tax based on a profit of €450.6m (excluding exceptional items). How much of that was paid to the Irish government I haven't a clue.

Compare that to Google though, who paid just €8m in tax last year to the Irish government based on a profit of €9bn.

[j636]

Not the point I was trying to make though. They could base their Head Office in any country, some with better tax arrangements, but they choose to stay in Ireland.



Could you name on as Ireland is the cheepest place in Europe for them to have there HQ. Remenber most FR employees are on Irish contracts.

Anyone that thinks that open competition will occur following an FR takeover is living in cloud cuckoo land.

Couldn't put it better myself.

[dublinaviator]

Could you name on as Ireland is the cheepest place in Europe for them to have there HQ. Remenber most FR employees are on Irish contracts.

Based on what criteria? If you're talking about the corporate tax rate, they could retain a tax base in Ireland while outsourcing most of the management functions to another country. But Ireland doesn't even have the lowest corporate tax rate in the EU, that goes to the Canary Islands whose rate is just 4%. The next lowest rate is in Cyprus, Hungary, and Bulgaria at 10%.

[Hangar6]

Hi
I am enjoying the discussion , having worked for both companies have a few inputs myself, currently I work in DAP , not for FR or EI

FR value if EI is really low given the oppurtunity his bid gives to eliminate a competitor, yes that is MOL ONLY strategy to date with buying airlines
eg What value LHR slots , EI has 46 of them I beleive

FR dont employ staff, I worked for them in 2001 , via an agency as do most Pilots all cabin crew , each "contractor" is told how to set up a private ltd company , and HAS to use an accountnat from a short list provided by MOL , he was or is an accountant ?

Recent Judge commentated on the truth and MOL being infrequent bedfellows , every promise he makes is to be taken with a pinch of salt.

I judge MOL on his PERSONNAL treatment of the lady who was the millioneth passenger, she had a letter from then CX confirming free flights for life, FR got huge publicity for this excellent reward, MOL went to the ends of the earth in his attempts to have this written guarantee of free flights removed from the lady. She was not for turning, thankfully he failed.

MOL has developed a great airline, a modern day miracle, thankfully I dont work for him and will never fly with him.

He will put in place an exit strategy for EI within 6 months, make a huge profit from his efforts and reture having removed a major blot on his CV , that being the large amount of wsted money spent by FR on EI bids , not to mention the large amounts EI have wasted defended these bids.

DAA will also be impacted, RE of course but most of all the staff and public will loose a choice , the very choice that a GVT TD gave us when he forced EI out of STN and LPL among other palces to ensure FR stop loosing money and grew, a strategy that saved FR and helped EI and the result was a choice of two solid Iirsh Airlines.

I believe FR are in Dublin becuase Ireland is very friendly on tax, labour laws and of course the IAA gets a huge benefit from all those Irish registered aircraft fees. A bit cosy maybe but you can be sure being based in ROI allows FR to gain in many ways , without having to have many staff.

I hope FR and EI both prosper, if FR win EI then it will be at a very cheap price and customers will loose out.

just my cents worth

[racedo]

Three months is all that the EU will require FR to pull off routes and open up competition. After 91 days expect the biggest "seat sale" that the world has seen. If you look back to recent history then you only have to see the blood on the floor when Easy tried flying into the Republic.


Different scenario as that was U2 parking its tanks on the lawn and then realising the lawn was really a swamp. U2 were never serious about this.

I don't see FR doing this as frankly it gains it nothing.......

Some old routes................great but you ignore the bigger picture.

FR is dealing with EU across Europe rather than just being an Irish domestic player. In going back on routes after 3 months would be seen as a sign of acting in bad faith.

This would get remembered each and every discussion with EU that takes place. Whether you acknowledge it or not Ryanair is a multimillion pound business that doesn't need that kind of hassle.

Give whoever flying the route 18 month to 2 years before going back is different because that is a reasonable length of time to build up a business. If you cannot do it in that time then you will never do it.



Even Veradkar who isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the box has acknowledged only last week that overseas/non irish airlines can't be expected to be loyal to Ireland. In other words they will scarper when the going gets tough. Also the LHR slots will be much more valuable flying somewhere else and no doubt with the right political posturing then they can turn them into long haul slots should the need arise in the future. The government acknowledged this about 6 months ago when they conceded that there is no cast iron way that they can ensure that the LHR slots are kept once they sell their shares.

Actually there is nothing stopping FR owning the slots and leasing them out to someone serving Dub-LHR, simply proviso is that is what they are used for. Leasing out assets like this or brand names or intellectual property is normal in business.

Aer Lingus have happily leased out slots before to other airlines.

A simple requirement is that FR cannot use the slots for a period of 5 years minimum unless there is no other airline willing to use the slots to provide competition to existing users. If FR are getting €x million a year for the slots then why have the hassle.

[EI-A330-300]

FR have no interest in EI short haul services, all they want is EI long haul network which will keep Ryanair profitable long term as they can't cut there costs a huge amount more, in fact they will increase and the short haul market is becoming more of a problem for FR and current profits will turn to losses unless they change there approach to Europe. Just on the UK-IRL fare differences they are substantial and only because they can get away with it.


Quiet a statement and I don't know weather I agree or disagree but I am surprised the FR lovers haven't commented on it yet.

[Mlinnie]

Sorry to change the subject. But how did Air Moldova do with their seasonal service to Dublin ? Will It return next year ?

[Jamie2k9]

American Airlines resuming a daily 757 service to JFK form June 2013.

American Airlines Strengthens Its Network With Service To Cities In Asia, Europe And Latin America - Oct 24, 2012 (http://aa.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=3589)

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Good news but it may appear that its seasonal. AA operate some European routes June-October.

In some other news:
Plane aborted take-off at Dublin Airport in 2011 - RT News (http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1024/dublin-airport.html)

[dublinaviator]

Confirmed by the DAA as being year-round:

Latest News > Dublin Airport Welcomes American Airline (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/12-10-24/Dublin_Airport_Welcomes_American_Airline_s_New_Dublin-JFK_Service.aspx)

Looks like there is going to be a massive increase in US-Ireland capacity next year. You'd wonder is it too much too soon and is there really that much of a gap in the market?

[clareview]

Surely must be reaching saturation - 2xEI A330, 1xDelta and now 1xAA (plus United to EWR)

[stab3.5up]

Mores the point weres it going to fit on t2!! I guess if its anything like the ord service aa run it shud arrive in dub well after the morning rush!!

[EI-A330-300]

Looks like there is going to be a massive increase in US-Ireland capacity next year. You'd wonder is it too much too soon and is there really that much of a gap in the market?

There is a huge gap in the market. There are very few flights to US from DUB in summer that have LF below 85-90%. Return flights to JFK from DUB are the most expensive in Europe during peak summer (according to article in US a few months ago) with aveage price $1500 for 1 passenger. EI are also carrying a huge amount of connecting passengers which has reduced capacity to IRE in a way and demand is there. EI should see a good increase in connecting passengers with BOS and ORD afternoon and morning departures.

The DAA are expecting up to 325,000 more passengers with the Gathering 2013 also so it will be well used and prices will drop however I don't think they will during the peak months.


Mores the point weres it going to fit on t2!! I guess if its anything like the ord service aa run it shud arrive in dub well after the morning rush!!


Indeed I arrived from LHR the other week we were kept waiting 20 mins before we got a stand and that was around 7.45.

[EI-BUD]

And if reports are correct that EI are growing strongly their connecting passenger number ex EU to USA, there will be in effect less capacity available for passenger originating in Ireland.

EI-BUD

[Jamie2k9]

Mores the point weres it going to fit on t2!! I guess if its anything like the ord service aa run it shud arrive in dub well after the morning rush!!

One thing that will help a little is the A330 departure to AGP at 07.40 is being moved to 06.50 next summer.

And if reports are correct that EI are growing strongly their connecting passenger number ex EU to USA, there will be in effect less capacity available for passenger originating in Ireland.

EI-BUD

I estimate the increaed capacity from EI and the AA service that there is approx 165,000 extra seats available from DUB to the US next Summer based of the summer schedule from 31 March-26 October. It will now push DUB ever closer to the 2 million T/A passengers yearly. Many Americans start off in Ireland before flying onwords to Europe with EZY and FR.

Its not clear weather the AA service will be year dispite what the DAA press release says but that will be confirmed by 4 November. Wouldn't be suprised is Delta add a little capacity either.

[Sober Lark]

EI072 BFS 06:40-DUB 07:10. DUB 07:50 - FARO. What is the actual flying time BFS-DUB? Thanks

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Another also due in at 07.30 and out to AGP at 08.10. Its to do with BFS base closoure on Sat lightly loaded aircraft they will be filled from DUB with the mid term. A few on Saturday to.

[KNT544]

What is the actual flying time BFS-DUB? Thanks
TCX used to have little battles. 20 mins was their best.

[Skipness One Echo]

What's this huge amount of connecting passengers on EI's long haul? Can someone put a daily volume or average % by load factor on it?

Thanks