DUBLIN - 2

[ia350]

Just a quick question , going to head to Vancouver but not sure if a 767 is suitable for that long of a journey , would it be better to head to Toronto and then get a connecting flight ?

[AerRyan]

Unless your an extremely bad traveller, its not worth breaking up a flight less than 12 hours into segments. I find it more stressful.

[owenc]

It's only an 8 hour flight..

[brian_dromey]

Just a quick question , going to head to Vancouver but not sure if a 767 is suitable for that long of a journey , would it be better to head to Toronto and then get a connecting flight ?
It's suitable in the operational sense - it's not going to run out of fuel halfway.
In terms of cabin amenities - it depends who's operating. Many 767s have been fitted with the latest and greatest of in-seat video. Others have none. Rouge have wifi based streaming to passengers phone/laptop/tablet. I don't know if they have power at the seats though.

[Una Due Tfc]

How many times a week do Air Transat do YUL and YYZ ex DUB? Is there any schedule on equipment used? Last week I worked an A310 to YUL, this week an A333

[EI-A330-300]

I would support the direct route, why not book up front with them both ways or at least one of the journeys.

UDT

It is 4 weekly to YYZ with 1 stopping at YUL. Think at least once a week the A330 and rest A310

[ia350]

Was just the comfort level that I was concerned about really .


Another new Ryanair plane is coming in from Seattle .

[Una Due Tfc]

UDT

It is 4 weekly to YYZ with 1 stopping at YUL. Think at least once a week the A330 and rest A310

Cheers. It will be interesting to see how YVR does, always fancied a visit

[EI-A330-300]

Make off its a route on Air Canada's radar.....

In other news some movement in regards to runway tendering etc

July may see airport break 3 million passengers in a month, if the 10-12% growth continues, had EIs Sep growth happened earlier it would be a given but I think its pretty certain without that 3 million will be passed.

[EI-A330-300]

New EU rules may overturn night restrictions imposed as part of the new runway, will add to a good case which the daa have.

Night restrictions on Dublin Airport runway may be lifted (http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/night-restrictions-on-dublin-airport-runway-may-be-lifted-1.2670591)

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Max Kingsley-Jones
Qatar will launch Dublin and Las Vegas next year, and possibly Belfast: Akbar Al Baker #iataagm
Akbar Al Baker is QR CEO btw

https://twitter.com/MaxABEd/status/738665396623036416

EI were also saying yesterday at IATA that they were in discussions with QR about Doho service!

I really cannot see Belfast and Dublin together especially in the same year.

[Just a spotter]

From The Journal.ie (3rd June 2016)

Dublin Airport becomes first airfield in the world to be on Google's Street ViewDublin Airport the first airfield in the world to be on Google's Street View (http://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-airport-google-maps-2805628-Jun2016/)

JAS

[EI-BUD]

For those interested a Swiss C series is at DUB, has been there most of the weeks. Sports the Swiss livery very well. Sitting around the back near the hangars near the far end of Terminal 1 gates...

[Jamie2k9]

May traffic up 11% to almoat 2.5 million

Europe - 1.3 million +11%
UK - 838,000 +11%
Transatlantic - 271,000 +14%
ME/Africa - 55,000 -3%
Domestic - 9,000 +44%

Year to date almost 10.3 million up 14% (1.3 million).

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/record-passenger-numbers-in-may-at-dublin-airport

[EI-A330-300]

With those numbers surly we are looking at between 27.5 and 28 million. Have the daa said an estimate yet?

Thomson start long haul ops on Sunday!

[LondonCityBoy]

Anyone know why EI102, FR1959 & FR5775 are diverting to Shannon tonight?

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Low clouds causing low visibility and CAT I was only available due to lighting issues with CAT III which have since been resolved.

Diversion most likely because of fuel when there is a stack of 20+ aircraft holding.

Fog has been causing lots of delays earlier in the week.

[ia350]

Vancouver route starts today , be interesting to see how it goes , will be using it anyway .

[EI-A330-300]

It started yesterday, operated from DUB end as there is no rouge long haul base in YVR, aircraft routed to YYZ.

Hope lack of advertising doesn't damage the service.

[cloudier]

What was wrong in Dublin this afternoon some flights diverted to SNN

[AerRyan]

Varaible winds due to nearby thunderstorms caused severe windshear, holding, go arounds and runway changes.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

There was 4 to 6 runway direction changes due to happen yesterday going by weather forecasts for the day based on data from Saturday evening.

Meanwhile in more interesting news a new carriers is due to announce a service ex DUB soon according to a journalist who got an accidental invite. Was due to be announced tomorrow but temporarily proposed and planned to take place at the Shelbourne Hotel so must be a pretty big name to announce it there.

https://twitter.com/damienmulley/status/742428148764151809

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Cobalt Air tickets on sale for LCA commencing 9 July running twice weekly.

11.35-15.10 - LCA-DUB
15.55-23.10 - DUB-LCA

Some good lead in fares but hope the shot booking period and brand won't impact the route.

FlyOne is also planning a twice weekly service to Chișinău next month. Air Moldova currently operate the route.

[Sober Lark]

Cobalt Air - Why is their DUB-LCA a 7hr 15 min flight?

[Dontgothere]

Time difference...

[Sober Lark]

OK. I see. It's a glitch on their web site as it shows an incorrect flight 'Duration 7h 15m'. (They add flight time + time difference).

[j636]

Was in/out yesterday with BA and noticed 3 Air Canada B763s at pier D. Were they scheduled and don't they use pier B?

The 10 minute window with 4 AAs opposite one another at T2 is one for the spotters if they even get to photo them!! Cant happen a lot outside the States.

[canberra97]

j636

Regarding four AA tails opposite one another and that it can't happen a lot outside of the states well it does at LHR on a daily basis.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

The mystery airline is apparently a major network carrier will commence a daily DUB service this winter and it may be announced early this week. It is long haul as well and not QR which is looking like a May or October 2017 launch.

[1sky]

CX, finally.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

1sky

Is that reliable info as I have saw elsewhere that its not expected to them and they are usually a good source.

There aircraft shortage usually gets discussed on MAN a lot so can we really see them coming in daily when they are 4 weekly there and doing really well by all accounts.

I do have a feeling it will be somewhere in China all the same....

[EI-BUD]

Re the mystery carrier launching winter flights, what are the chances of a Cape Town route which was done before by LTU on a charter basis? Does this sound possible?

China has been mentioned frequently and as it would be aimed at business interests, where bookings tend to be shorter term than leisure, winter could be right.

Otherwise ( the rumour did not specify long haul), could be see Tap make a return to tap into its south American network via LIS or indeed Alitalia bringing a Rome route back now that it is in repair mode (doubtful) or AF on Strasbourg?

EI-BUD

[Copenhagen]

China has been mentioned frequently and as it would be aimed at business interests, where bookings tend to be shorter term than leisure, winter could be right.



China announcements tend to first come from formal route requests on the Chinese side rather than hotel style events.

Long term rumours that TK were looking at IST - DUB - xxx. Not sure if that is still in play though.

Can CX do bolt on to a Düsseldorf or Gatwick I wonder?

[1sky]

CX would technically be China.

[Copenhagen]

Mr pedantic strikes again.

Chinese carriers (from China) tend to announce their routes via a local route application.

Hong Kong carriers (From Hong Kong) announce routes via the media and via earlier leaks.

[1sky]

It would follow the pattern of how CX announced DUS.

[EI-A330-300]

Statement from the airline in question or whoever handles media:

A surprise route from Dublin from a major network carrier almost got announced on Tuesday. A room was booked in the Shelbourne Hotel. A time was set and a brief statement declared that “one of the world’s major airlines will announce that it is to launch a new daily service from Dublin Airport. In addition to strengthening Dublin and Ireland’s connectivity with important global markets, the route will generate millions of euro in visitor revenue, contributing to the overall Irish economy." Then it all got cancelled. The route is likely to be announced before the winter slot conference on Tuesday, or on the day.

Source: TX
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Meanwhile BA have yet another run in with ATC at DUB yesterday, this must be the third or fourth time now. Wonder will BA pr department have to respond as they did for the last one!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFUZ6oHBft4

[Noxegon]

Any chance it might be Singapore?

[Copenhagen]

The route is daily. Daily service is too much for CX, unless a tag-on.

What about KLM, Aeroflot or SN Brussels?

[Betablockeruk]

Sounds suspiciously Chinese. It's on, it's off, it's on with a press release, it's off, it's on with Government announcement, it's off (slot issues) and then finally it can be booked with a short notice start date! MAN-PEK followed a similar thread and now also waiting for MAN-PVG. Maybe they're linked, literally PVG-MAN-DUB.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

EI CEO has said QR will start in May 2017 today!

[PPRuNeUser0176]

KLM x2 daily AMS with E190 from Oct.....

Ex DUB 05.55 (same as EI codeshare) and 13.15
Ex AMS 12.00 and 21.20 (same as EI codeshare)

That is AMS at 10 ans 11 daily. EI codeshare staying also.

[840]

I'm struggling to see what KLM get out of that.

If they had come in high frequency and dumped the codeshare, it might have made sense.

This won't improve their long-haul connectivity, so it has to make a standalone profit.

If they were just looking for AMS-DUB point to point traffic, would Transavia not have made more sense?

Early preparations for an Aer Lingus divorce?

[Stiflers_Brother]

Just building the hub. Plenty of early morning connections from AMS. So they might as well get in on the action themselves.
Also keeping their frequent flyer base happy with Business class seats and amenities.

[Noxegon]

KLM will get people who get frustrated with the EI product looking at AMS as a viable connection point again – not least me!

[EI-A330-300]

I'm not so sure KLM is related to the above statement ;)

[Copenhagen]

Bravo to KL for relaunching the route. I always suspected that it was going to be WX operating on behalf of KL, but looks like its cityhopper

The daily frequencies gave it away that it wasn't going to be a East Asian carrier. CX tends to launch at x4 weekly.

There is a five hour turnaround in LGW for the CX 350. Space for a DUB add on?

[LAX_LHR]

The issue with a CX LGW tag is that slots at that time of the day aren't exactly easy to come by at the moment.

LHR isn't the only London airport having spare slot issues. 0600-1200 is pretty much full in the summer for LGW

[EI-A330-300]

Some management from Hainan Airlines were in DUB over the last few days.....

First direct air route between Dublin and China on cards with Hainan Airlines move - Independent.ie (http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/first-direct-air-route-between-dublin-and-china-on-cards-with-hainan-airlines-move-34820090.html)

[Copenhagen]

Of the Chinese carriers, Hainan is by far the best. I assume they would operate from Beijing as that's where they are strongest. Their long haul product compares favourably to European or American competition in its own particular way.

Flying from or transiting through Pudong is a disaster in comparison due to most domestic destinations leaving from Hongqiao and delays on most departures.

Hainan fly domestically from T1 in Beijing where many many years ago a Shannon airport company ran the duty free. I'm showing my age now.

[stab3.5up]

Re KLM can the BHD route be sustained with the obvious benefits of flying from DUB.

[LAX_LHR]

Regarding Hainan, there was chatter that the MAN route was going to 7-10 weekly with 3 of those flights heading to either Dublin or Edinburgh in the turn around.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Anyone know what this Delta JFK flight is about? Carrying media for Joe Biden visit?

DL9330 19.20 (21.20) T4-B41 - 06.45 (09.36) T2-3A - Flight Complete
DL9928 21.45 (22.40 EST) T2-422 - 23.11 (00.54+1) T4-B28 - Boarding

[Copenhagen]

Also some chatter during the week about HNA group choosing ireland for their NonChinese head office.

[Bagso]

https://www.insidermedia.com/insider/northwest/hainan-airlines-lands-manchester-office

[Copenhagen]

At 200sqm that's nothing more than a local office.

[LandingConfig]

Regarding Hainan, there was chatter that the MAN route was going to 7-10 weekly with 3 of those flights heading to either Dublin or Edinburgh in the turn around.
It was previously speculated that there would be a tag on to GLA or EDI.

[Jamie2k9]

Finnair will take over 4 (morning flights) of 9 weekly from Nordic Regional starting 26 March 2017.

Norwegian will also extend HEL year round from October, operating twice weekly.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/dublin-airport-invests-2m-in-new-self-service-check-in-kiosks-to-improve-passenger-experience


Dublin Airport Invests €2M In New Self-Service Check-In Kiosks To Improve Passenger Experience

Aer Lingus, Ryanair, CityJet And Flybe Passengers To Initially Benefit From New Technology; T2 Touchless System A World First

Dublin Airport has invested €2 million to improve the check-in experience for four of its major airline customers.

Dublin Airport has installed 62 new self-service kiosks (SSKs) between Terminal 1 and Terminal 2 that will allow the airport and its airline customers to process greater numbers of passengers by increasing the peak check-in capacity.

Passengers using the new self-service bag drop kiosks can, depending on the airline, check in for their flight, tag their own bag and dispatch it into the baggage system much faster than would be the case using traditional check-in desks.

The new SSKs are initially being used by Aer Lingus, Ryanair, CityJet and Flybe passengers, but several other airlines at Dublin Airport have already expressed interest in using the same technology.

Terminal One now has 15 self-service bag drop units available in check-in Area 13, which is the area used by Ryanair. There are three further self-service bag drop units in check-in Area 7 for common-use by other airlines. Passengers from CityJet and Flybe will be the first to enjoy the benefits of these SSKs. Terminal Two has 44 new self-service units in the Aer Lingus check-in area.

“This €2 million investment streamlines and simplifies the baggage check-in process for passengers,” said Dublin Airport Managing Director Vincent Harrison. “It will reduce check-in queue times and also increase the overall capacity at check-in in both Terminal 1 and Terminal 2,” he added.

Dublin Airport, working with its technology provider Rockwell Collins in conjunction with Pulse.aero, delivered a tailored process to suit each airline. “While we used the same technology in both terminals, it was adapted to specifically meet the needs of our airline customers,” Mr Harrison said. “The new self-service systems are already having a significant impact on check-in times at Dublin Airport,” he added.

“This project is one of a large number of investments that Dublin Airport is making across both terminals, at the boarding gates and on the airfield to add capacity and to continue to improve the passenger experience,” according to Mr Harrison. “The self-service kiosk and bag drop installation underlines our ongoing commitment to ensuring that passengers enjoy the very latest technological advances in their journey through Dublin Airport.”

The 15 new self-service units in T1 one use a one-step approach. This allows passengers that have checked in online to take their bags straight to the self-service bag drop, where they can print their bag tags, attach the tags and then dispatch the bag straight onto the baggage system.

In T2, there are now has 32 self-service kiosks and 12 self-service bag drop units in the Aer Lingus check-in area. Passengers first use their reference number to print a boarding card and/or weigh their bag and print a bag tag. Once tagged, the luggage can be taken to the self-service bag drop position and the bag is automatically dispatched.

The bag drop units in Terminal 2 are the world's first touchless bag drops kiosks, as they automatically detect that the tag is attached, and the weight is correct and then dispatch the bag without the need for the passenger to touch any button or screen.

“Touchless bag drop means that passengers can drop their bag at a self-service machine that requires only minor user interaction, thus eliminating many of the steps they have to deal with when checking in,” said Chris Forrest, vice president of Airport Systems for Rockwell Collins.

To make the system as easy to use as possible for passengers the new kiosks are fitted with audio prompts for visually impaired passengers, and availability indicators so that passengers can immediately see which devices are free.

The new system has also been designed so that in the future there is the potential for passengers to be able to make payments at the kiosks for services such as additional bags fast track security and lounge access.

Used them in T2 a few weeks ago and the check in area has improved greatly. EI staff were also saying they had very few problems with the system and passengers found it great. They have more less completely removed all queuing barriers which at peak times extended into the check in area used by other carriers.

Great to see future services can also be purchased and Cork is next.
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New USPC lounge is opening in the next 2 weeks and it's also looking pretty smart.

[bnt]

Dublin's main runway 28/10 will be closed on weekday nights for 15 months from September for maintenance - details here (https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/night-time-closure-of-runway-10-28-to-facilitate-essential-maintenance). Flights after 11PM will be using R16/34. So far so routine, but it means that late flights may be routed over South East Dublin, the posher areas of the city where the pop stars, politicians and TV presenters live. By the time departing planes are over Dartry, where Bono and The Edge live, they should be high enough as to not be a problem ...

[AerRyan]

Dublin's main runway 28/10 will be closed on weekday nights for 15 months from September for maintenance - details here (https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/night-time-closure-of-runway-10-28-to-facilitate-essential-maintenance). Flights after 11PM will be using R16/34. So far so routine, but it means that late flights may be routed over South East Dublin, the posher areas of the city where the pop stars, politicians and TV presenters live. By the time departing planes are over Dartry, where Bono and The Edge live, they should be high enough as to not be a problem ...

Very few planes will actually approach over south east Dublin, as the winds rarely suit RWY34, and even if they do, RWY16 is preferred

[EI-A330-300]

On Thursday the local council announced a major review into the new runway and it will examine the impact of:
* - How conditions around operation will impact its efficiency and operability.
* - Benefits of a longer runway of 3,400m or 3,700m
* - EU rules on noise since conditions were attached
* - Local Area Plan to be updated to reflect future development

Not due to report until next January but might get the two operation conditions removed by relevant people.

Suggestion numbers will pass 27 million this year also.

[Jamie2k9]

June traffic just short of 2,730,000 up 9.5%. daa will release usual stats soon!

Daily passengers exceeded 100,000 on a few days during the month. First 6 months have now exceeded 13 million.

[mik3bravo]

June traffic just short of 2,730,000 up 9.5%. daa will release usual stats soon!

Daily passengers exceeded 100,000 on a few days during the month. First 6 months have now exceeded 13 million.

Out of interest what's the comparison to H1 2015?

Was the H1 2016 actual tracking forecast or exceeding plan?

[Jamie2k9]

Out of interest what's the comparison to H1 2015?

Was the H1 2016 actual tracking forecast or exceeding plan?

H1 15 - 11.5 million
H1 16 - 13 million

daa don't really do public predictions but the figures match capacity increase pretty well and considering no major EI growth over the period where for example next year there will be 3 or 4 more A333 operating across the pound.

[Seljuk22]

Emirates will use a 2 class B77W from 1st January on EK 163/164

[Jamie2k9]

16JUL16 Update ? UNITED W16 International Operation Changes :: Routesonline (http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/267957/16jul16-update-united-w16-international-operation-changes/?platform=hootsuite)

Newark – Dublin 29OCT16 – 08MAR17 Service operates 1 daily instead of 2 daily, however operational aircraft switches from 757 to 767-400ER (777-200ER from 19DEC16 to 15FEB17 and from 28FEB17-8MAR17)

Note it was x1 daily last winter, second only added after EI announced daily EWR service.
IAD looks more less the same as last winter.
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Emirates will use a 2 class B77W from 1st January on EK 163/164

2 class was heavily used before the second daily was added so no surprise they plan to return it for the evening flight.

[Una Due Tfc]

Just had a cheeky look at UA's B772 business class...10 abreast vs 5 abreast on EI A333 to EWR, I must be making some mistake here right?

[Jamie2k9]

Just had a cheeky look at UA's B772 business class...10 abreast vs 5 abreast on EI A333 to EWR, I must be making some mistake here right?

They are using 3 class B772, 8 F, 40 J, 221 Y. The J class is 2-4-2.

The 2 class B772 is 50 J, 217 Y. The J class is 2-2-2 with 2 rows just 2-2.

The B764 is 2-1-2

[Una Due Tfc]

They are using 3 class B772, 8 F, 40 J, 221 Y. The J class is 2-4-2.

The 2 class B772 is 50 J, 217 Y. The J class is 2-2-2 with 2 rows just 2-2.

The B764 is 2-1-2

What you are saying definitely makes more sense than this....

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/travel/inflight/aircraft/777/200/

[PPRuNeUser0176]

New USPC lounge is open tomorrow but access will be restricted to:

The lounge will be available to transatlantic passengers travelling with Aer Lingus, Delta, United and American Airlines holding business class tickets and airline club cards.

https://www.dublinairport.com/at-the-airport/travel-services/51st-green---the-us-preclearance-lounge
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What you are saying definitely makes more sense than this....

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/travel/inflight/aircraft/777/200/

Version 2 with the odd version 3 will be used, showing both on different days.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

June traffic just short of 2,730,000 up 9.5%. daa will release usual stats soon!

So they have:

Over 2.7 million up 9%

Europe 1,400,000 + 8%
UK 848,000 + 13%
Transatlantic 328,000 + 11%
ME/Africa 67,000 - 3%
Domestic 8,800 + 26%

With Friday 24 June starting off passenger numbers exceeding 100,000 a day

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/2.7-million-passengers-in-june-at-dublin-airport

[Angry Rebel]

Interesting increase in the domestic numbers.

[alserire]

Anyone know what the Delta 757 (?) was doing closed up sitting on it's own in Dublin today?

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Anyone know what the Delta 757 (?) was doing closed up sitting on it's own in Dublin today?

It's an A333 scheduled to operate 10.10 departure to ATL but went tech. Now scheduled to depart at 05.55 tomorrow.

[alserire]

It's an A333 scheduled to operate 10.10 departure to ATL but went tech. Now scheduled to depart at 05.55 tomorrow.

Thanks. Zipped by it on the taxi in and didn't get a good look at it.

[Jamie2k9]

16JUL16 Update ? UNITED W16 International Operation Changes :: Routesonline

Quote:
Newark – Dublin 29OCT16 – 08MAR17 Service operates 1 daily instead of 2 daily, however operational aircraft switches from 757 to 767-400ER (777-200ER from 19DEC16 to 15FEB17 and from 28FEB17-8MAR17)

1 daily B757-200 during winter 15/16

UA have updated schedules with extra B772 ops (US dep dates):

B772 - 28 October - 29 November
B764 - 30 November - 15 December
B772 - 16 December - 15 February
B764 - 16 February - 27 February
B772 - 28 February - 13 March

2 daily B752 resume 14 March

[Jamie2k9]

July traffic up 9.3% to just under 2.945,000 million, in passengers terms it's just under an additional 250,000.

[EI-A330-300]

uly traffic up 9.3% to just under 2.945,000 million, in passengers terms it's just under an additional 250,000.

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/july-was-the-busiest-month-at-dublin-airport
Europe 1.6 million up 8%
UK 900,000 up 13%
Transalantic 343.000 up 7%
ME/Africa 84,000 down 3%
Domestic 8,000 up 4%

Year to Date almost 16 million up 12%.
Year to Date transit 568,000 up 19%

[Una Due Tfc]

So new routes/extra capacity for 2 of the 4 new EI A330s have yet to be announced. Might be worth keeping an eye on DL too, after them upgrading both DUB flights to A333s and Shannon to B763 after years of retreat. With VS taking more and more of their UK routes they'll have extra metal for elsewhere.

Although any extra capacity could be combatted by AA/EI in oneworld. With EI 4 x daily to NYC ex DUB it wouldn't surprise me if in concert with them AA upgraded on JFK next year to chase DL away.

Air Contractors have been kicking tyres on 757s in Europe and the States all summer apparently. They went for Rollers on the 4th one this summer so engine choice obviously isn't restricting them. Apparently the Pratts on the first 3 burn about half a tonne less per crossing. Whether they're looking at them for EI or themselves I have no idea. Remember they have something like 300 aircraft across the world.

YUL on a 757 is the latest rumour for EI. Whether that's due an A330 taking YYZ, as has been rumoured for 2 years now, or going back on IAD, both freeing up a 757, or a 5th joining? Time will tell

Rumours all 9 firm orders and 5 options for A350s will go to BA due to them lifting the same cargo and pax as a B772 for 20 something % less fuel burn. The further you fly them, the greater the benefit to the group. A330 NEO and A321 NEO LR orders will be placed for EI instead. BA's 767s are also rumoured to be earmarked for EI.

The Cityjet Sukhois may end up with green tails.

All tittle tattle with EI pilots right now.

[EI-A330-300]

So new routes/extra capacity for 2 of the 4 new EI A330s have yet to be announced. Might be worth keeping an eye on DL too, after them upgrading both DUB flights to A333s and Shannon to B763 after years of retreat. With VS taking more and more of their UK routes they'll have extra metal for elsewhere.

Suggestion is the two due next year, one will arrive for May and reported routes are MIA and perhaps YUL however the second one will be a few months lather and also so speculation it may be used as replacement but it would be September/October 17 before routes start if its an addition. Still summer 17 will see a minimum of 3 extra A330 daily departures across the pond.

The July passengers take the additional traffic in the first 7 months to 1,750,000 which should see 2016 total somewhere between 27,500,000-28,000,000.

Most be the only single runway airport after Gatwick to handle such volume of traffic particularly given the poor layout. All other European airports have 2 or more runways with same volumes. Taxi times are starting to creep up this summer but another 3.5-4 years before 2nd runway is operational.

Edit - would put the BA 767 rumour to bed, not going to happen. A333 and A321LR will likely be the future. Still no word on what's happening with A350's but IAG have a lot of options so they could just delay them to EI if needed for BA. YYZ/IAD is a direct swap so either low freq A330 or daily 752 (fifth) to YUL.

[TURIN]

Quote:
Originally Posted by LAX_LHR View Post
Regarding Hainan, there was chatter that the MAN route was going to 7-10 weekly with 3 of those flights heading to either Dublin or Edinburgh in the turn around.


It was previously speculated that there would be a tag on to GLA or EDI.

The original plan was a route through MAN to GLA and back.

The latest rumour is PEK-MAN-DUB-MAN-PEK. :eek:

We will see.

[Noxegon]

Can't see any service to BEJ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalimarau_Airport) somehow. PEK, perhaps...

[TURIN]

Well spotted Nox. I wondered who would see that first. :oh::O

[MANFOD]

The latest rumour is PEK-MAN-DUB-MAN-PEK. http://cdn.pprune.org/images/smilies/eek.gif


Was that rumour for all MAN flights to go on to DUB or just some extra frequencies?

[Una Due Tfc]

The original plan was a route through MAN to GLA and back.

The latest rumour is PEK-MAN-DUB-MAN-PEK. :eek:

We will see.

I would have thought either PEK-MAN-DUB-PEK or PEK-DUB-MAN-PEK was more likely, the 2 stops in MAN would seem unnecessarily costly?

[Seljuk22]

Finnair will also increase its flight capacity to Dublin, Ireland. As of March 27, Finnair will fly up to nine weekly flights between Helsinki and Dublin, operating a mix of A319 and E90 aircraft during the 2017 summer season.
Finnair (http://www.finnairgroup.com/mediaen/mediaen_7.html?Id=xml_2277343.html)

[Nightstop]

As an experiment, and to save some money, I bought two FR tickets to get to ALC via DUB from LGW. I allowed myself about 2.5 hours in DUB hoping for a Guinness. On arrival one hour late during the afternoon into DUB I thought, no problem, I have another 1.5 hours to spare and I can use the Connections route into Departures. No such luck, the Security search area at Connections closed at 13:00! So, out through arrivals/Customs and back through Security, the queues for which were horrendous (25 minutes wait time). Fortunately my hand luggage wasn't pulled to one side for inspection, otherwise I would have missed my onward flight to ALC. Never again, DUB in the afternoon is totally unsuitable as a connecting hub :=

[stab3.5up]

A brave experiment I think your plan would probably only have been more feasible if you had used EI

[chuboy]

I missed a connection from CDG to CFN under basically the same circumstances. Baggage was checked all the way through but missed the flight due to a combination of a late arriving aircraft and having to go through passport control, into the checkin area and back through security rather than staying airside the entire time :mad:

[AerRyan]

As an experiment, and to save some money, I bought two FR tickets to get to ALC via DUB from LGW. I allowed myself about 2.5 hours in DUB hoping for a Guinness. On arrival one hour late during the afternoon into DUB I thought, no problem, I have another 1.5 hours to spare and I can use the Connections route into Departures. No such luck, the Security search area at Connections closed at 13:00! So, out through arrivals/Customs and back through Security, the queues for which were horrendous (25 minutes wait time). Fortunately my hand luggage wasn't pulled to one side for inspection, otherwise I would have missed my onward flight to ALC. Never again, DUB in the afternoon is totally unsuitable as a connecting hub :=

Well, ahm, you flew two unprotected tickets?

[Jamie2k9]

1 - You purchased tickets from FR which do not offer a hub service and I think you would of been refused entry to connections in T1 as FR do not offer transfers. Most transit is via T2 at DUB and T1 only early morning for certain carriers and no point in wasting money keeping it open when the airline doesn't to pay for it.
2 - The Hub is no responsible for airline punctuality.

Had you fly with Aer Lings they would of accepted you via the connections route once it's not after the last wave of T/A traffic connections.

I missed a connection from CDG to CFN under basically the same circumstances. Baggage was checked all the way through but missed the flight due to a combination of a late arriving aircraft and having to go through passport control, into the checkin area and back through security rather than staying airside the entire time

So you didn't leave enough time or check on the rules about connecting at DUB?

[Nightstop]

I know FR don't offer connections, but with 2.5 hours planned on the ground DUB I should have had plenty of time to make my onward flight. As for who pays for the Connections security search, surely that should be a service that any airport provides free of charge, especially one that has "DUBHUB" logos all over the place. It would have been interesting if the staff at Connections had refused me entry with a valid Boarding Pass,but I'll never know because I'll never be repeating the transit experiment again.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

I know FR don't offer connections, but with 2.5 hours planned on the ground DUB I should have had plenty of time to make my onward flight. As for who pays for the Connections security search, surely that should be a service that any airport provides free of charge, especially one that has "DUBHUB" logos all over the place. It would have been interesting if the staff at Connections had refused me entry with a valid Boarding Pass,but I'll never know because I'll never be repeating the transit experiment again.

Rules are you cannot but it's probally down to staff discretion. In T2 if you have separate EI to EI tickets and baggage checked through they would let you through.

The airport is focused on long haul connections not short haul ones. The T1 transfer facility closed at 13.00 is because British Airways, Flybe, Lufthansa, Finnair, Air France/KLM, Air Canada, WestJet, Swiss and SAS will all have completed any transfers to respective long haul carriers.

Why keep it open when there is no passenger data of traffic expected after 13.00 and no airline willing to pay for extra staff when they could be put to better use elsewhere.

[1sky]

As an experiment, and to save some money, I bought two FR tickets to get to ALC via DUB from LGW. I allowed myself about 2.5 hours in DUB hoping for a Guinness. On arrival one hour late during the afternoon into DUB I thought, no problem, I have another 1.5 hours to spare and I can use the Connections route into Departures. No such luck, the Security search area at Connections closed at 13:00! So, out through arrivals/Customs and back through Security, the queues for which were horrendous (25 minutes wait time). Fortunately my hand luggage wasn't pulled to one side for inspection, otherwise I would have missed my onward flight to ALC. Never again, DUB in the afternoon is totally unsuitable as a connecting hub :=

A connection to an FR flight is anyway not allowed to use the Flight Connections facility. After they refused to accept my valid boarding pass, I had a long exchange with DUB a few months ago on this because nothing was (still the case?) indicated on the flight connections board indicating this restriction.

It appears to be a Dublin Airport policy restriction (the connection fee is anyway lower than the normal passenger departure fee).

Dublin Airport absolutely do not make this clear on their website.

[1sky]

They have updated the website so I stand corrected:
https://www.dublinairport.com/flight-connections/self-connecting-passenger-information

Still it makes no sense to restrict a self connecting passenger with a valid boarding pass and no checked luggage.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

A connection to an FR flight is anyway not allowed to use the Flight Connections facility. I had a long exchange with DUB a few months ago on this because nothing was (still the case) indicated on the flight connections board indicating this restriction.

It appears to be a Dublin Airport policy restriction (the connection fee is lower than the normal passenger departure fee)

It would be a bit late for passengers who would only first notice it on the Flight Info Screens....it is however stated on the website and surly people booking a connection would look to see if the airport has connection facilities.

Under the Self Connections Page
Please Note: Self-connecting passengers are not permitted to use the Flight Connections facility

On Ryanair Website
Ryanair is what is known as a ‘point-to-point’ airline. This means that we fly directly to our destinations and we do not operate connecting flights.

This means that we cannot transfer passengers or their baggage to other flights, whether those flights are operated by ourselves or by other carriers.

For more information please refer to our Terms and Conditions of carriage here.

[1sky]

Just because an airline is "point to point" doesn't mean airports should not allow passengers to use facilities that exist anyway. It would just be a case of passengers (of course, those without hand luggage) getting their BP scanned and clearing security in one place instead of another.

At many other airports around Europe, passengers can get off one Ryanair flight and get on another flight without going anywhere near immigration and security.

Why not allow passengers (without luggage) to use facilities that exist anyway, while relieving other overcrowded facilities in the airport (immigration and normal departures security).

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Just because an airline is "point to point" doesn't mean airports should not allow passengers to use facilities that exist anyway. It would just be a case of passengers (of course, those without hand luggage) getting their BP scanned and clearing security in one place instead of another.

At many other airports around Europe, passengers can get off one Ryanair flight and get on another flight without going anywhere near immigration and security.

Why not allow passengers (without luggage) to use facilities that exist anyway, while relieving other overcrowded facilities in the airport (immigration and normal departures security).

You have to clear immigration regardless, passengers with hand baggage are only saving a few minutes by using the transfer route or exiting and going up to security.

[flyboy2008]

Flybe will operate DUB-DSA from the winter (http://www.flydsa.co.uk/latest-news/flybe-add-new-dublin-route-from-yorkshire-airport), 6 per week. Taking over from Stobart/EI Regional

[Nightstop]

Why do you have to clear Immigration? I had no intention of going landside. "Gatwick Connections" offer self connecting with hold baggage transfer to the following Airlines:

Aer Lingus
Air Europa
British Airways
easyJet
Flybe
Meridiana
Monarch
Norwegian
TAP
Thomas Cook
Virgin Atlantic
WestJet
WOW Air

Come on DUBHUB (and FR), think of the extra revenue.

[chuboy]

So you didn't leave enough time or check on the rules about connecting at DUB?

I left plenty of time tyvm, Aer Lingus was late on the incoming so I missed the connection. To be fair even if I had not had to clear immigration and security (again) I probably would not have made the flight because it was REALLY late.

EI did refund me the money and reimbursed me a ticket on the bus as the connection was protected. But the whole point was to avoid the coach in the first place as the Mrs doesn't much like the twisty roads once you cross back into the South...

Do I have cause for complaint? Well I got my money back although I was many hours late arriving, so maybe it's just a first world problem.

Nevertheless, what kind of aspiring "hub airport" has connection rules that you're expected to know, expects passengers to effectively leave the terminal area only to join the queues for security all over again? This doesn't happen at any of the other airports that DUB intends to compete with for connecting pax. You're already airside, there should be no need for staff in the first place. Just a corridor that leads back into the departures area :rolleyes:

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Why do you have to clear Immigration? I had no intention of going landside. "Gatwick Connections" offer self connecting with hold baggage transfer to the following Airlines:

Aer Lingus
Air Europa
British Airways
easyJet
Flybe
Meridiana
Monarch
Norwegian
TAP
Thomas Cook
Virgin Atlantic
WestJet
WOW Air

Come on DUBHUB (and FR), think of the extra revenue.

Rules are any passenger landing at DUB must clear immigration. The Common Travel Area between here and UK not even exempt. Now these are not rules by daa.

Gatwick would have much bigger business to make it viable and from a quick glance Gatwicks charges are not varied therefore it makes no difference to fees/revenue. Short to Shot haul connections are a fraction of transfer at DUB.

[Skipness One Echo]

Why do they insist on passports at the Irish end and not the British end then?

[chuboy]

Rules are any passenger landing at DUB must clear immigration. The Common Travel Area between here and UK not even exempt. Now these are not rules by daa.

Thanks for the info. Seems like a strange rule to enforce but perhaps it is a product of the terminal design.
Short to Shot haul connections are a fraction of transfer at DUB.

And all I'm saying is it'll stay that way unless DAA changes the way they process connections.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Why do they insist on passports at the Irish end and not the British end then?

Sometime in the late 90's they changed the law examine documents and refuse people are are not entitled to enter via CTA and while meant not to apply to British/Irish they are also covered because of the set up.

Thanks for the info. Seems like a strange rule to enforce but perhaps it is a product of the terminal design.

For T1 design yes, daa looked at CTA route when T2 was planned and connections would be far easier without clearing immigration but Goverment had no plans to change the law and with Brexit it will never change I suspect.

[Skipness One Echo]

So the CTA is not as polemic to the Irish as certain parts of the British state? IS that fair to say? I can't begin to imagine the world of pain if they were to introduce document checks to get into Britiain from Ireland. Thanks for that, did not know this was a requirement.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

So the CTA is not as polemic to the Irish as certain parts of the British state? IS that fair to say? I can't begin to imagine the world of pain if they were to introduce document checks to get into Britiain from Ireland. Thanks for that, did not know this was a requirement.

I don't think checks in practicality would be a major problem at all considering how advanced technology is. E-Gates could do the job for the vast majority of passengers traveling between IE-UK if Irish flights had a few dedicated at each airports and programmed to clear Irish/British ID holders only.

Checks for NI passengers entering mainland airports wouldn't go down well and it would be pointless for checks form DUB and not BFS people could just cross border and enter if they want to avoid checks.

If you look back to 2008 UK Border Agency published a paper to have checks for Non CTA citizens, enhanced ID for CTA citizens and new advanced data system for all people traveling between both countries. Some unionist's in NI were not happy and in 2009 the House of Lords defeated it and it was again tabled by the then Home Office Minister under Public bill committee but removed after continued opposition.

[Una Due Tfc]

Why do they insist on passports at the Irish end and not the British end then?

You need photo ID with your address and/or nationality on it apparently, so passport or driver's license essentially.

[840]

Place of birth has to be Ireland or the UK too.

The common travel areas is not like Schengen as you have to be a citizen of one of the two countries. If your place of birth is elsewhere, there's not enough information on the driving licence to prove it.

[1sky]

There's no address on Irish passports.

[Una Due Tfc]

There's no address on Irish passports.

Apologies, that should have been nationality...as in your work photo ID won't cut the mustard

[heidelberg]

I've recently got the new Credit Card size Passport that can be used in all EU/EEA countries.
In effect it acts like a National ID card.
I will be putting it to the test shortly DUB to AMS and return.
My Passport Book will now only be used when travelling outside EU/EEA.
Séamus

[bannercounty]

Have the Passport Card nearly a year and it's handy. Those in LHR still question its validity but after a minute they wake up and let me proceed. Always have issues in STN as they say it's not a Passport hence a good few vocal words about their compentency are often released.
Never once had an issue in Germany, Holland, Poland, Switzerland, Spain and those were visited 2 weeks after the card was released.

[AerRyan]

You always have the ejjit who just looks at it blankly, completely not knowing then regulation that they are meant to be enforcing.

Held up yesterday in Dublin with Ryanair staff trying to figure out at the gate if a 16 year old can travel by himself on a Ryanair flight. Seems like something they should know isn't it?

[EISNN]

I've used my passport card in DUB, SNN, LHR, AGP, BIO, FAO, UIP, CDG, and RNS. Never had any problems. The Portuguese immigration official examined it more closely when I was exiting the country but that was it. Best purchase I've made in a while. Have passport will travel.

[Una Due Tfc]

You always have the ejjit who just looks at it blankly, completely not knowing then regulation that they are meant to be enforcing.

Held up yesterday in Dublin with Ryanair staff trying to figure out at the gate if a 16 year old can travel by himself on a Ryanair flight. Seems like something they should know isn't it?

You weren't flying to Portugal by any chance? I believe they brought in a rule recently where minors travelling alone or with only one parent needed a Garda signed form saying they have the consent of both parents to travel.

[EI-A330-300]

EI did refund me the money and reimbursed me a ticket on the bus as the connection was protected. But the whole point was to avoid the coach in the first place as the Mrs doesn't much like the twisty roads once you cross back into the South...

The ticket couldn't of been protected as they do not allow short haul to short haul bookings. It appears to be like a goodwill gesture....

Nevertheless, what kind of aspiring "hub airport" has connection rules that you're expected to know, expects passengers to effectively leave the terminal area only to join the queues for security all over again? This doesn't happen at any of the other airports that DUB intends to compete with for connecting pax. You're already airside, there should be no need for staff in the first place. Just a corridor that leads back into the departures area

Lots of big hubs require a security clearance even if just transiting. As for the setup been ideal of not, transit numbers are growing strongly. The DUB-HUB signage is a smartphone device to guide transfer passengers.

Usage of transit route by separate tickets is a lot more complicated than the daa just saying no they don't want it.

[AerRyan]

You weren't flying to Portugal by any chance? I believe they brought in a rule recently where minors travelling alone or with only one parent needed a Garda signed form saying they have the consent of both parents to travel.

Was heading to Glasgow, so they shouldn't nhave faced any problems. An adult is 16 with Ryanair right?

[heidelberg]

You are correct AerRyan.
According to the Ryanair site an adult is 16.

[chuboy]

The ticket couldn't of been protected as they do not allow short haul to short haul bookings. It appears to be like a goodwill gesture....
It was not a goodwill gesture, that would totally undermine the bread and butter point to point operation of EI, as you say tickets eligible for through check in are not readily available for purchase on their website. However they can be created by any TA with a GDS and many airlines interline with Aer Lingus in exactly that fashion. You can also achieve the same by booking a multi city itinerary on the EI website.

Lots of big hubs require a security clearance even if just transiting. As for the setup been ideal of not, transit numbers are growing strongly. The DUB-HUB signage is a smartphone device to guide transfer passengers.

Dublin is the only major airport I've used with a system that makes its transit pax effectively exit the terminal and end up at the check in desks in order to get their next flight.

As you have mentioned this is at least partially due to immigration regulations but still.

[AerRyan]

It was not a goodwill gesture, that would totally undermine the bread and butter point to point operation of EI, as you say tickets eligible for through check in are not readily available for purchase on their website. However they can be created by any TA with a GDS and many airlines interline with Aer Lingus in exactly that fashion. You can also achieve the same by booking a multi city itinerary on the EI website.


Dublin is the only major airport I've used with a system that makes its transit pax effectively exit the terminal and end up at the check in desks in order to get their next flight.

As you have mentioned this is at least partially due to immigration regulations but still.

You dont have to exit if your transfer is protected, and the only time you have a protected transfer through Dublin is when your going to the U.S

[EI-A330-300]

It was not a goodwill gesture, that would totally undermine the bread and butter point to point operation of EI, as you say tickets eligible for through check in are not readily available for purchase on their website. However they can be created by any TA with a GDS and many airlines interline with Aer Lingus in exactly that fashion. You can also achieve the same by booking a multi city itinerary on the EI website.

A TA can use a GDS to create a round the world tirp but short to short connections are not protected by Aer Lingus. You cannot book anywhere from CFN on EI site other than DUB/US even on multi city. Aer Lingus are good at accommodating passengers from EI/EI flights but are not obliged to.

The other airlines have agreements in place with EI and the other airlines will accommodate you on the next leg if EI cause you to miss your connection and they will take the problem up with EI.

EI would of let you use the transit route had it been available however it required a minimum number of passengers and outside T/A there is no way of known numbers and when you are in an industry all about costs they are not going to waste money.

Dublin is the only major airport I've used with a system that makes its transit pax effectively exit the terminal and end up at the check in desks in order to get their next flight.

As you have mentioned this is at least partially due to immigration regulations but still.

Only those with separate tickets.

[chuboy]

A TA can use a GDS to create a round the world tirp but short to short connections are not protected by Aer Lingus. You cannot book anywhere from CFN on EI site other than DUB/US even on multi city. Aer Lingus are good at accommodating passengers from EI/EI flights but are not obliged to.

I don't know what to tell you. The flights were on one ticket and checked through, something EI explicitly doesn't do for point to point bookings. Not sure why you'd tell me I don't know what I'm talking about when I was tramping about the missed bags room trying to find my suitcase which also didn't connect after being tagged through to Donegal. Do you need to make a dummy booking on an OTA to convince yourself that it can be done?

FWIW the tickets are more expensive when booked as above rather than point to point, probably because it includes insurance for EI against missed connections. But when you want the convenience of through checkin as I did I was happy to pay a bit extra.

[EI-A330-300]

I don't know what to tell you. The flights were on one ticket and checked through, something EI explicitly doesn't do for point to point bookings. Not sure why you'd tell me I don't know what I'm talking about when I was tramping about the missed bags room trying to find my suitcase which also didn't connect after being tagged through to Donegal. Do you need to make a dummy booking on an OTA to convince yourself that it can be done?

FWIW the tickets are more expensive when booked as above rather than point to point, probably because it includes insurance for EI against missed connections. But when you want the convenience of through checkin as I did I was happy to pay a bit extra.

Don't want to have a big debate but there are plenty of sites where you could for example book CDG-CFN and have it issued as a single ticket but EI could just as easily refuse to accept it as a single one. Any airport agent will check bags through to x destination if you show the onward tickets if seperate and the same airline in most cases.

[EI-A330-300]

TK have just announced significant network cuts for winter 16/17

Istanbul Ataturk – Dublin Reduce from 14 to 10 weekly

Turkish Airlines W16 Europe/Short-Haul service changes as of 27AUG16 :: Routesonline (http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/268589/turkish-airlines-w16-europeshort-haul-service-changes-as-of-27aug16/)

Appears UA have still not made up their mind with aircraft for EWR......

United W16 International operation updates as of 27AUG16 :: Routesonline (http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/268586/united-w16-international-operation-updates-as-of-27aug16/?platform=hootsuite)
Newark – Dublin Revised operational aircraft changes for 757 replacements until March 2017, including the addition of 767-400ER, in addition to previously planned -300ER and 777
29OCT16 – 03JAN17 Boeing 767-400ER
04JAN17 – 15FEB17 Boeing 767-300ER
16FEB17 – 27FEB17 Boeing 767-400ER
28FEB17 – 08MAR17 Boeing 777-200ER

[Copenhagen]

In many countries, international -> domestic segments mean you have to clear immigration and collect your bags at customs.

Otherwise you would not clear customs and immigration in your arrival city. Most airlines announce the fact onboard before landing.

In Dublin, as only Kerry and Donegal are linked to Dublin it would not be feisable to have a specific route for those pax.

[EI-A330-300]

FR have some sort of announcement on Thursday with the primary focus on winter 16 services.

Worth noting it's the same time a year since they announced DUB-AMS service with a 6 week lead in time. Could we be something similar?

[chuboy]

In many countries, international -> domestic segments mean you have to clear immigration and collect your bags at customs.

Otherwise you would not clear customs and immigration in your arrival city. Most airlines announce the fact onboard before landing.

In Dublin, as only Kerry and Donegal are linked to Dublin it would not be feisable to have a specific route for those pax.
This of course contradicts the fact that connections and through checking of bags from international to KIR/CFN happen fairly regularly, both on codeshares with EI and on EI themselves (transatlantic usually but a travel agent can also ticket a connection to/from Europe).

As I do not run customs in DUB, I can't comment on whether this presents a security hole of sorts but it's not like you have to collect the bags for them to be scanned or searched. Most bags are not searched anyway. And Revenue officers can always turn up and search bags in Kerry or Donegal if they wanted to.

My complaint was purely that you can't stay airside even if you are connecting unless the transfer corridor is open. That's a lot of pointless time wasting if you arrive after they have shut.

[EI-A330-300]

FR announced summer schedule today, -3% capacity allegedly because daa will withdraw growth schene, Aer Lingusn will more than offset it.

[Jamie2k9]

Almost 2.9 million up 9%

Europe - 1.5 million up 8%
UK - 926,000 up 13%
Transatlantic - 339,000 up 8%
Africa/ME - 83,000 down 4%
Domestic - 10,000 up 14%

Year to date over 18.8 million up 12% (2 million)
Transit year to date 707,000 up 14%

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/dublin-airport-sets-new-august-record-with-2.9-million-passengers

[Jamie2k9]

Delta have released latest European changes and have pulled A333 ops over winter and will return a B764 to JFK (except for 18 Dec-9 Jan) and they will drop one weekly flight beginning 11 Jan-8 Mar. Guess a + is a few extra J seats than the A333.

EI to JFK (up slightly during period) and of course EI/UA big capacity increase to EWR.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

T1 Departure Hall to get a bit of an upgrade similar to what's happening in arrivals.

Area 14 has been reopened until December while check in area's 6-8 are closed for works.

Area 14 would of been closed before T2 opened if not slightly earlier given a big drop in traffic and it was no longer needed.

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/dublin-airports-departures-floor-to-be-replaced-as-part-of-10-million-t1-upgrade

[DSA-DUB]

Flybe are going X7 weekly for summer 2017,
Good news for me.
Dsa a great little airport. Not to busy and Sheffield is only 30 mins driver away with the new link road open.

[Jamie2k9]

KLM which commence 2 daily AMS next month will increase to 4 daily from 26 March.

Will take all 3 operators to x4 daily however EI return up to x5 daily next month which may continue into summer 17.

[ia350]

Good news all around , just curious as to why Tap Portugal and Air Berlin haven't been here yet anyone have anymore info on this ?

[AerRyan]

Ryanair and Aer Lingus. If it took KLM this amount of time to face the battle, imagine Berlin or Lisbon, which aren't exactly the most lucrative hubs!

[Dontgothere]

I can't see a great reason for AB coming into DUB, when their mainly US-focused hub is in the already well-serviced DUS and it offers no discernible advantage over travelling with EI. Besides which, with AB already being a member of Oneworld, and EI seeking to rejoin it, there's no real need for the two to compete. As for Berlin itself, there'd be precious little point in chasing the same market as FR, as EI would be the only carrier to offer meaningful connections on one of two ends.

Lisbon is one of the more genuinely interesting hubs, and now that TAP are pensioning off F100's in favour of E190's, there may be room for them in DUB. The route would have a scaled down dynamics of the DUB - AMS route, insofar as FR would concern itself with O&D, EI would concern itself with connecting people between Europe and N. America, and TP would well-placed to concern itself with connecting the Irish to S. America and some points in Africa.

[EI-A330-300]

AB would be a waste of time, once EI are part of OW the dots will be joined, AB could never match the 2 daily DUS/TXL service that EI offer.

We have had TAP at DUB before, would be surprised if they returned.

AMS changes is an interesting one and I can't see either 3 backing down at all.

[Copenhagen]

TAP operated the L1011 on a DUB FAO LIS routing at weekends for many years.

I believe they also operated a DUB MAN LIS using a 727.

[ayroplain]

I don't remember the Tristar but they also operated an A340 at weekends. This one from Summer 2000.

Airbus A340-312 - TAP Air Portugal | Aviation Photo #0085147 | Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/photo/TAP-Air-Portugal/Airbus-A340-312/85147)

[Just a spotter]

According to The Irish Times, the Government is considering a third terminal at DUB.

Government considering third terminal at Dublin Airport (http://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/government-considering-third-terminal-at-dublin-airport-1.2798869)

That should help ease the congestion with ground movements no end.

In other news ... the Shannon Lobby ... they haven't gone away you know ...

Calls On Clare TDs To Lobby Against Third Runway At Dublin Airport | clare.fm (http://www.clare.fm/news/calls-clare-tds-lobby-against-third-runway-dublin-airport)

JAS

[AerRyan]

Michael didn't get elected but is looking for an easy election next time around. That's the only reason for the "call"

[alserire]

A second runway at Shannon could ease the pressure in Dublin.

Does McNamara know where Dublin and Shannon are relative to each other?

Politicians :(

[AerRyan]

Was more of a use Shannon's existing runway instead of RWY2 in Dublin, which of course isn't even a plausible or discussable suggestion.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Politicians

Ex Politician :*
____

daa said last night T3 not going to happen until like 45-50 million if number ever reach that level.

[alserire]

I'm not sure there is any such thing as an ex-politician in Ireland. Hence the suggestion. Shannon is a huge political football in Clare.

Anything to get elected

[Jamie2k9]

Transavia launching x3 weekly service to MUC from 11 April.

06.40-08.05-08.45-12.10-2
10.30-11.55-12.35-16.00-5
17.15-18.40-19.20-22.45-7

[Jamie2k9]

Dublin Airport welcomes the announcement today by Delta Air Lines that it is to expand its route network from Dublin by launching a new service to Boston next year.

This new service, which will operate daily from May until October, will complement Delta’s existing routes from Dublin to New York-JFK and Atlanta.

Dublin Airport Managing Director Vincent Harrison said he was delighted to welcome the new Delta service. “We’re thrilled that Delta is launching a third transatlantic service from Dublin Airport. This new daily service to Boston will offer additional choice and convenience for passengers on both sides of the Atlantic and the added connectivity it will bring will further boost the already strong tourism and trade links between the US and Ireland.”

“We are excited to be launching additional flights from Dublin and we will be offering almost 13,000 weekly seats between Ireland and the United Sates for the summer 2017 season,” said Dwight James, Delta’s senior vice president transatlantic. “Dublin is the fastest growing EU city in terms of US visitor numbers since 2011, with an increase of 9% year-over-year, and Delta’s new flight will help support this continued growth, benefiting the local economy.”

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/dublin-airport-welcomes-delta-route-expansion

[stab3.5up]

Gosh that's all jolly good news. Well done DUB.

[Jamie2k9]

Service operates 26 May - 5 September with B757-200

21.10-08.30-10.15-12.41

Delta announces new routes to connect New York-JFK, Boston to Europe | Delta News Hub (http://news.delta.com/delta-announces-new-routes-connect-new-york-jfk-boston-europe)

Guess KLM and ST had more than just AMS plans for DUB.....

[Una Due Tfc]

Frankly I'm amazed it's taken this long for somebody else to take a bite. EI have been filling 2 A330s a day on the route for years now in peak season.

[EI-A330-300]

Great news from DL. EI must of been expecting someone to join them with a long time. both will do just fine and it will likely be enough to make DUB the second largest international route from BOS. CDG sits at 2 and DUB at 3.

Transavia to MUC is another completely un expected addition.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Could be one or two more bits of news over next few months, not referring to news such as EI routes etc

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Segregation of 200 gates has also started.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status/785471070967136257

Sabre timetable is currently listing 4th weekly flight for Air Canada rouge's Vancouver – Dublin in S17, however this is unconfirmed.
____

In other news:

TS back to x4 weekly and YUL will now be direct end to end and not YYZ-YUL-DUB-YUL-YYZ.

EI increase LAX from 4 weekly to daily (1/6/17) which has now filled one aircraft with MIA (strongly rumoured) and expected flight numbers posted elsewhere. MCO also returns it's fourth weekly service (1/6/17) and 300 ops to SFO start on 4/7 weekly in May.

LAX must of had a good summer as they dropped the planned fifth weekly this summer.

[EI-A330-300]

Almost 2.6 million in September up 11%

Europe 1.4 million up 11%
UK 825,000 up 10%
Transatlantic 317,000 up 16%
ME/N Africa 66,000 down 2%
Domestic 7,800 down 2%

Year to date over 21.4 million up 12% (2.3m)

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/dublin-airport-sets-new-september-record-with-almost-2.6-million-passengers

[Seljuk22]

How are the bets on 28 million passengers by year end?

[Jamie2k9]

How are the bets on 28 million passengers by year end?

Not until next year!

[Jamie2k9]

EY have announced they will return to full 2 daily year round operations from 1 April 2017 (6 months currently). They will also be moving from T2 to T1 on 24 January 2017. Their lounge is slightly close to 300 gates as well.

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/etihad-airways-to-fly-double-daily-from-dublin-to-abu-dhabi-next-year

[Seljuk22]

In the EY booking engine I see EY45/42 (morning departure) with B77W and EY41/48 (evening departure) with A332

[Jamie2k9]

Air Canada

As speculated YVR increases from 3 to 4 weekly and YYZ increases from 9 to 10 weekly.

Aegan

Extended season and frequency increase to 3 weekly

[Seljuk22]

Originally Posted by Seljuk22 http://1.1.1.1/bmi/www.pprune.org/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airports-routes/434949-dublin-2-a-171.html#post9539820)
How are the bets on 28 million passengers by year end?
Not until next year!
DUB would a growth rate of 11.8% in the 4th quarter to reach the 28 million this year.

[EI-A330-300]

Air Canada

As speculated YVR increases from 3 to 4 weekly and YYZ increases from 9 to 10 weekly.

Aegan

Extended season and frequency increase to 3 weekly

Great to see Aegan doing well and starting first week in June, will be using them.
________

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/dublin-airport-welcomes-sas-expansion

Dublin Airport welcomes the announcement from SAS – Scandinavian Airlines that it is to significantly expand its services at Dublin Airport next year.

The airline’s overall capacity to and from Dublin will increase by 11% next year.

Seat capacity on the Dublin-Stockholm service is expanding by 9%; Dublin-Oslo will expand by 16% and Dublin-Copenhagen will increase by 9%.

Next year is not looking to bad with Air Canada, Air Transit, KLM, SAS, Delta, Transavia and Aer Lingus expanding. Another carrier may also be announcing new routes over the next while.

Couple of new charters as well including planning resumption of charters to Turkey.

[Stevek]

Have Ryanair reached a deal with the DAA yet? Osijek, Luxembourg and Dubrovnik were supposedly on the cards

[EI-A330-300]

There is no deal to be reached.....FR had the deal other airlines had. As for the routes two are served and croatia airlines will serve the last. Really cant see LUX been a route FR are interested in.

The alleged cuts are far from clear as some will happen even if they had a deal as situation is beyond their control and the daa.

[EI-A330-300]

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/new-terminal-linked-dublin-airport-hotel-to-create-400-new-jobs

Four hundred new jobs are to be created at Dublin Airport with the opening of a new terminal-linked four star hotel which is to be built adjacent to Terminal 2.

The new hotel will provide employment for 250 people, while an additional 150 new jobs will be generated during the construction phase of the project. The new 402 bedroom property will be Ireland’s fourth largest hotel upon completion.

Planning permission for the 11-storey hotel has already been granted. Construction is expected to begin next October and the property will open in 2019.

The new hotel will have a total floor area of 22,840 square metres comprising 402 bedrooms, as well as extensive bar, restaurant, café and conference facilities and a fitness suite. It will occupy a prime 0.81 acre site between Terminal 2 and the T2 multi-storey car park – and will be located just 95 metres from Terminal 2.

_____

In recent weeks Radisson Blu announced they are to seek permission to build a second 7 story (144 rooms) hotel in the car park next to existing one while The Clayton plan to add 140 rooms.

_____

QR also speaking about DUB again and the CEO says they need Airbus to deliver A350's to free up B787's before it can start.

[racedo]

11 storey hotel in airport.................. ok unless it is above roof height of terminals

[AerRyan]

Yup, will be slightly higher than T2.

Strange to be allowed build such a tall building in Dublin, the planning laws are really restrictive on tall buildings here.

[Una Due Tfc]

Reminds me of that incident years ago where a Spanair mistook that big hotel in Ballymun for runway 34.

The AAIU flew the same approach in the same weather conditions in a helicopter and found the lights on the hotel roof bore a striking resemblance to approach lights and the lights in the stairwells either side of the building looked exactly like runway edge lights, all were changed IIRC.

[Jack1985]

FlightLine wasn't it Una Due Tfc? Remember that well too.

[Una Due Tfc]

FlightLine wasn't it Una Due Tfc? Remember that well too.

Ah perhaps, operating on behalf of Spanair maybe, or I'm just totally wrong about the company

[GCUFD]

Report into serious air incident (http://www.irishtimes.com/news/report-into-serious-air-incident-1.839397)

Crash narrowly avoided after pilot mistook hotel for runway | Irish Examiner (http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/crash-narrowly-avoided-after-pilot-mistook-hotel-for-runway-89869.html)

"The lights on the top of the hotel were changed from fixed red lights to flashing red in October 2007 after an initial report into the incident said they lighting could be mistaken for approach lights."

It seemed to be operated by FlightLine for Aviajet.

[AerRyan]

Liverpool axed with Stobart from January.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

EY move to T1 early next year will enable US airlines access to an extra gate (10 in total) for next summer. Work started.

[ayroplain]

EY move to T1 early next year will enable US airlines access to an extra gate (10 in total) for next summer. Work started.
What Pier/Gates will EY use?

[EI-A330-300]

What Pier/Gates will EY use?

B/300 ones, most likely 303 or 306.

[ayroplain]

B/300 ones, most likely 303 or 306.
Thanks.

That should be interesting. An extra 300 passengers and their cabin baggage crammed into what is a quite small Gate area that doesn't have enough seats per gate even for short haul. Or will they be shunted downstairs to where the old pre-Clearance was?

[EI-A330-300]

Thanks.

That should be interesting. An extra 300 passengers and their cabin baggage crammed into what is a quite small Gate area that doesn't have enough seats per gate even for short haul. Or will they be shunted downstairs to where the old pre-Clearance was?

The EY departure times are when it's pretty quiet. Given it's EY you can be sure they have discussed such issues and they will want the same level of service that was offered in T2 as they would not of moved otherwise. Not sure if down stairs will be used.

[Sober Lark]

Given it's EY you can be sure they have discussed such issues and they will want the same level of service that was offered in T2


So are they taking their recently constructed business class lounge with them from T2 to T1??

[EI-A330-300]

No, there is no real difference in the walk to either gate, in fact 300 gates are slightly closer to ir.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Travel Extra say EI will update media on Tuesday about 2017 routes.

[Noxegon]

At this point I'll believe it when it happens.

[Jamie2k9]

Miami (x3), Porto (X3), Split (x2) commence in 2017. Extra capacity to Orlando (+1), Chicago (+2-3) and LA (+3).

Long Haul capacity will grow to over 2.5 million seats in 2017 (+21%) while Short Haul capacity will grow by over 100,000 seats.

[johnrizzo2000]

Great to see the new MIA route and increase on other t/a routes!

Apart from Oporto and Split, any ideas on any routes dropped/frequencies increased on the European network?

[EI-A330-300]

Great to see the new MIA route and increase on other t/a routes!

Apart from Oporto and Split, any ideas on any routes dropped/frequencies increased on the European network?

To early but looks like some schedule tweaking and they have an extra based aircraft moved form BHD which will give a few extra slots.

[bnt]

Irish Times reporting (http://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/dublin-airport-busy-in-october-as-lufthansa-announces-shannon-flight-1.2870291) traffic in October up 9% over the previous October. Transatlantic traffic up 26% to more than 291,000. I read that as travellers to the US from Europe discovering the joys of pre-clearance in Dublin. :cool:

[Jamie2k9]

Air Canada

Planned fourth weekly Vancouver, revised back to 3.

Swiss

GVA going to x5 weekly over peak summer

Lufthansa

MUC going from 7 to 13 weekly (start of summer, x9 operated in Aug 16 only)
________

DUB own traffic release:

Almost 2.5m up 9%

Europe 1.3m up 11%
UK 860,000 up 4%
Transatlantic 291,000 up 26%
Middle East/North Africa 60,000 down 9%
Domestic 7,500 down 10%

YTD almost 24m up 12%
https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/record-passenger-numbers-in-october-at-dublin-airport

[EI-A330-300]

ET will add fourth weekly on ADD-DUB-LAX from 1 June.

Between ET and EI LAX will have 11 weekly flights up from 7!

[ia350]

Have both Aer lingus and Ryanair finalized their summer schedule yet ?

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Not fully, it's usually after Christmas before they are complete, you usually see extra flights etc added based on routes performing well once January bookings come in.
____

ET are also apparently considering applying for permission to stop on a second route.

[Sober Lark]

LH983 DUB - FRA 05:50 Thurs 24 Nov. Do I need a plan B? Thanks a million SL

[alserire]

Any reason you would Sober Lark? It's 5.30 departure according to LH website

[Sober Lark]

LH strike Wed for 24 hrs. Aircraft out of position??

[alserire]

Well if the strike is midnight to midnight, the Tuesday evening inbound flight (arrives about 22.30) will likely operate the Thursday morning one I would imagine as it'll be going nowhere on Wednesday (does it cost airlines to leave an aircraft sitting there for 24 hours while on strike?). So you should be ok as long as they don't cancel the Tuesday flight..

[Sober Lark]

LH say inbound flights not affected on Wed but outbound from Germany on Wed is?

[alserire]

In that case the Tuesday night plane is operating on Wednesday morning and if the outbound from Germany is affected on Wednesday evening then you're in trouble.

Their website is showing all flights as scheduled to operate on both Wednesday and Thursday at the moment. Poor show.

[Jamie2k9]

There will be an aircraft in DUB for Thursdays 05.30.

(does it cost airlines to leave an aircraft sitting there for 24 hours while on strike?)

Yes, once the standard free hours are finished.

[Sober Lark]

Super replies thanks. Rebooked LH later date just in case and bought EI o/w yesterday for certainty. Advice here saved me €60 so much appreciated.

[EI321]

Qatar route confirmed.

Qatar Airways confirms Dublin-Doha flights (http://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/qatar-airways-confirms-dublin-doha-flights-1.2885101)

[ia350]

What aircraft are we looking at ? 787 ? Would love it to be the 350.

[EI321]

They are waiting for A350's to be delivered so that a 787 can be freed up to operate the DUB route

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Must of been a spike in bookings since you know Aer Lingus announced it ;)

Welcome to Ryanair! (http://corporate.ryanair.com/news/news/161129-dublin-porto-service-doubled/?market=ie)
“Following strong bookings on our popular Dublin to Porto service, we’ve increased our flights to a five-times weekly service starting in March. Porto is popular with both leisure and business travellers and we look forward to carrying even more customers between Dublin and Porto this year.

2 to 5 weekly....

[Dannyboy39]

Was there a bird strike on Monday morning? Flying into DUB around 0730L we were held for around 15 minutes whilst a runway inspection was ongoing to look for debris?

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Going to assume traffic levels, possible dicing delays, fog and taxiway E3 been closed. No mentions of a bird strike anywhere.

Some holding during afternoon as well.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

TE report QR hold slots from March while HU also have slots to extend their MAN service. Of course slots are not always used.

[Jamie2k9]

AA have scheduled B788 on Chicago from 5 July to 5 October (US dep). Not a good thing...

Still early days I wouldn't be surprised if further changes were made by Feb.

[ia350]

Why isn't that a good thing ?

[AerRyan]

Why isn't that a good thing ?

Not sure what they use ATM, but lower capacity seems like a blatantly obivous one, if applicable.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Suspect if you browse Manchester forum it dons't exactly give you confidence on AA and B787 to Europe.

Slightly lower Y but almost 50% extra J seats which are needed and bring in the big bucks.

[Una Due Tfc]

Not sure what they use ATM, but lower capacity seems like a blatantly obivous one, if applicable.

They use an A332 atm, the CLT and ORD aircraft swap on the ground in DUB ie CLT arrival departs to ORD and vice versa.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

DY have said they plan to add 2 to 4 T/A routes next summer. Interesting to see if it comes off and I wouldn't expect anything apart from B787.

[Jamie2k9]

Daily B787 from 12 June

Flight Schedule:

Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday (From 12 Jun 2017)
Doha (DOH) to Dublin (DUB) QR19 departs: 01:25 arrives: 07:25
Dublin (DUB) to Doha (DOH) QR20 departs: 08:50 arrives: 18:05

Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday (From 13 Jun 2017)
Doha (DOH) to Dublin (DUB) QR17 departs: 07:20 arrives: 13:20
Dublin (DUB) to Doha (DOH) QR18 departs: 15:25 arrives 00:40+1

Press Release | Qatar Airways (http://www.qatarairways.com/qa/en/press-release.page?pr_id=pressrelease_dublin)

[AerRyan]

Cityjet from 3 June will operate weekly charters to Alghero, Malaga & Palma with SS-100. Likely more will be added.

Will they be operated for any particular package holiday company?

[j636]

Not sure how I managed to delete my post but according to a.net Sunway

Good to see WX doing well.

[blaggerman]

UA 777 service to EWR now extended through to end of summer season

[Una Due Tfc]

UA 777 service to EWR now extended through to end of summer season

So does that mean it's 1 x B772 instead of 2 x B752 on EWR or is the later flight returning?

[Jamie2k9]

So does that mean it's 1 x B772 instead of 2 x B752 on EWR or is the later flight returning?

EWR 1 daily B772 (09.00), 1 daily B752 (12.55)

ORD changes to B763 from 1 July

IAD reamains daily B752

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/270444/united-s17-long-haul-service-changes-as-of-16dec16/

[Una Due Tfc]

EWR 1 daily B772 (09.00), 1 daily B752 (12.55)

ORD changes to B763 from 1 July

IAD reamains daily B752

United S17 Long-haul service changes as of 16DEC16 :: Routesonline (http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/270444/united-s17-long-haul-service-changes-as-of-16dec16/)

So capacity on EWR more than doubles in 9 months when you add EI. Jaysus

[Noxegon]

Will be interesting to see who blinks first. I'd have thought that the lack of connections in EWR would be limiting for the EI service.

[Jamie2k9]

Noxegon

EI have UA connections out of EWR and UA EI out of DUB.

Room for both to make it work.

[Noxegon]

I didn't know that. Interesting. I'd still suggest however that going UA->UA is going to be altogether less painful than going EI->UA or vice-versa.

[airbourne]

Will the new Polaris service be on the tripp out of DUB?

[EI-A330-300]

Will the new Polaris service be on the tripp out of DUB?

Not a for a long time as it will take years to complete refit of B772 and B763's, plus the B787's likely to be top of the queue in current fleet.

[EI-BUD]

Noxegon,

A very very significant number of passengers flying to EWR are connecting beyond EWR, others area connecting through Dublin and onto EWR as final destination, not just on EI services but Star alliance too. 60% is a figure quoted be UA themselves, and EI have significant connectibity both from GB /Europe, so I'm effect only a small amount of this business on DUB EWR is point to point. So result all services that fly to the US are feeding pax to the whole country. UA also benefit hugely from EI feed into EWR.

Nobody needs to blink!

EI -BUD

[airbourne]

Any idea of the loads on the EI BDL flights?

Almost 3 months in and would be interesting to see what it is like.

[Una Due Tfc]

So long haul next summer is:

JFK 5 x daily (2 x EIN A33X, 1 x EIN B752, 1 x DAL A333, 1 x AAL B752)

ORD 4 x daily (2 x EIN A33X, 1 x AAL B788, 1 x UAL B763)

BOS 3 x daily (2 x EIN A33X, 1 x DAL B752)

EWR 3 x daily (1 x EIN A33X, 1 x UAL B772, 1 x UAL B752)

YYZ 21 x weekly (10 x ROU B763, 7 x EIN A332, 4 x TSC A33X/A310)

IAD 2 x daily (1 x EIN B752, 1 x UAL B752)

DXB 2 x daily (2 x UAE B77W)

AUH 2 x daily (1 x unmentionable B77W, 1 x unmentionable A332)

LAX 11 x weekly (7 x EIN A332, 4 x ETH B788)

ATL daily (DAL A333)

PHL daily (AAL A332)

CLT daily (AAL A332)

DOH daily (QTR B788)

YYT daily (WJA B737)

SFO daily (EIN A333)

BDL daily (EIN B752)

YVR 4 x weekly (ROU B763)

MCO 4 x weekly (EIN A33X)

ADD 4 x weekly (ETH B788)

YUL 1 x weekly (TSC A33X)

YHZ 1 x weekly (FPO B737)

Then the ETH B77W and B77L fuel stoppers to IAD and YYZ respectively.

EIN 3 x weekly MIA on A332 starting in September.


What did I miss or get wrong?

[AerRyan]

The extra EI 757 to JFK is not confirmed.

[Una Due Tfc]

The extra EI 757 to JFK is not confirmed.

Well with an A332 taking over YYZ there's a spare B752 even if they don't do the OMNI hire in for SNN again.

Edit: wait no I'm wrong they will need the SNN aircraft for it due IAD and BDL

[Una Due Tfc]

Are Thomson doing BGI and CUN again this year?

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Yes but BGI has been cut from 6 to 3 flights.

[Jamie2k9]

Over 2 million passengers in November up 9%

European 916,000 +9%
UK 833,000 +8%
Transatlantic 194,000 +18%
ME/Africa 54,000 -5%

Jan-November took numbers to 26 million while yesterday numbers exceeded 27 million.

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/dublin-airport-welcomes-27m-passengers-for-the-first-time

[Seljuk22]

Nearly 1 million passenger expected from 23rd December to 6th January
https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/busiest-christmas-ever-at-dublin-airport

[AerRyan]

Yes but BGI has been cut from 6 to 3 flights.

BGI? (Bridgetown)

Wouldn't mind back to Barbados with a lovely direct flight from Ireland. Sadly that's not possible.

Its Jamaica I'm afraid, Monetgo Bay, MBJ.

[Una Due Tfc]

BGI? (Bridgetown)

Wouldn't mind back to Barbados with a lovely direct flight from Ireland. Sadly that's not possible.

Its Jamaica I'm afraid, Monetgo Bay, MBJ.

Doh! If only indeed

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Just assumed the code was correct but it's MBJ that is reduced.

In other news the TK cuts announced appear to only be for the winter and x2 daily planned to resume in March but I guess a lot could change...

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Looks like planning has been granted for a temp pier (7 year max) connected to T2 by bus and will have capacity for 9 narrow body aircraft with 7 gates.

Guess it gives them capacity now and longer term time to move Cargo area for full F pier.

They also have planning for new transfer hall, not sure if replacing the old or could just be for there new gates.

[Sober Lark]

(a) Did DUB hit 28 million in 2016
(b) What position is DUB in European league table of airports based on passenger numbers?

[Jamie2k9]

(a) Did DUB hit 28 million in 2016
(b) What position is DUB in European league table of airports based on passenger numbers?

(a) - No, expect them to fall between 27.75-28.50
(b) - Currently 19, AYT (going to lose around 8m in 2016) and should just pass ZUR so 16 most likely once all figures are published.

[VanBosh]

(a) - No, expect them to fall between 27.75-28.50
(b) - Currently 19, AYT (going to lose around 8m in 2016) and should just pass ZUR so 17 most likely once all figures are published.

Why is AYT losing 8m? Due to the political situation?

[AerRyan]

Why is AYT losing 8m? Due to the political situation?

As I'm sure you're aware tourists don't want to go to any Muslim country in the same amounts anymore due to fear of an attack.

[Sober Lark]

Thanks Jamie. Can you list the top 20 (E&OE of course). If not no worries thanks for trying.

[Jamie2k9]

Thanks Jamie. Can you list the top 20 (E&OE of course). If not no worries thanks for trying.

Accurate List
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_busiest_airports_in_Europe

Correction to above post should of said 16th position not 17th.

[Jamie2k9]

AF from 29 October 2017 are displaying their own equipment (A318) on CDG. Interesting to see if WX finally come off the route.

KL from 29 October 2017 are displaying x3 daily (+1 on this winter, -1 on summer 2017) at the minute.

[AerRyan]

Upgrading the equipment may indicate that Air France/KLM are feeling the effects of increased competition, mainly from Aer Lingus

[PPRuNeUser0176]

AF returning has been planned for a long time, WX have been aware of the changes for ages.

All CDG WX ops ending with Hop taking over 3 routes with AF back at DUB.

WX will likely start to retire a some Avro this year but they need more Sukhoi Superjet 100 delivered quickly.
____

Only realized that UA have 50 J seats on the B772 (2 class) and they are filling them pretty well for January considering just 16 J were offered a year ago.

[Jamie2k9]

Final total is 27.9 million up 11%

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/record-2016-for-dublin-airport-with-almost-28m-passengers

[ia350]

Very impressive , I'll be using it 3 times this year . One of the finest airports you'll see.

[Sober Lark]

more than four times the population of the island of Ireland.


Singapore more than 10 times.
Dubai more than 29 times......

[Seljuk22]

16th position in Europe confirmed for DUB (27.9 million) as DME is 15th with 28.5 million and ZRH 17th with 27.7 million

[AerRyan]

I understand the Omni 767 will not be returning to Shannon, I notice that the 757 early JFK service hasn't been loaded, is this still planned to go ahead?