DUBLIN - 2

[Fairdealfrank]

Bags may be transferred, but all passengers need to go through immigration, customs and security.


Doesn't that mean that pax are landside after passing immigration and customs, even if just for a short time?

Anyone know why this procedure has to be followed, not heard of it in any other country?

[Kinocker]

Looks like the next part of the Ryanair Irish expansion is being announced with the DAA at Lansdowne Road (rather than the airport) tomorrow.

[Stevek]

Must be a big announcement if its in the Aviva?

[EI-A330-300]

Stevek

FR already confirmed it was 700,000 pax, should take traffic at DUB next year somewhere between 21.5 to 22 million. Lots of old routes to be resumed.

[Stevek]

You were on the money with your post earlier. Hoping for some of the places I never got to go to in the past plus a Greek island or two :ok:

[Mlinnie]

Did Ryanair ever serve Morocco or Greece from Dublin? What's the chances of a route like that being announced?

[EI-A330-300]

9 new routes (well most resumed) to Almeria, Bari, Basel, Bucharest, Chania, Comiso, Lisbon, Marrakesh & Prague.

8 route freq increases.

[EI-A330-300]

Birmingham, Bristol, Edinburgh, Glasgow (PIK), London (STN), Madrid, Manchester and Nice routes will see the increase in flights and improved schedules. 300 to 400 per week.

Ryanair Opens 9 New Dublin Routes From April 2014 (http://www.ryanair.com/ie/news/ryanair-opens-9-new-dublin-routes-from-april-2014)

[LBIA]

Looks like Ryanair are seriously going after Aer Lingus on the Dublin to UK routes.

Will Aer Lingus have to respond to this?

[Jack1985]

Pathetic, utterly pathetic. Apparently these new 1m seats will bring loads of new tourism, biggest load of crap ever sold and swallowed AGAIN by the DAA. So is someone really on this forum able to justify how;


24 weekly services can operated profitably to Lisbon next Summer from Dublin?
How long 8 weekly services to Bucharest will even last?
Justify how 17 weekly services to Prague will operate profitably?
And how flooding the UK services with seats which will mean nobody will make profit is frankly seen as competition when the bigger carrier can absorb it to take-out the smaller one who introduced services the bigger carrier cut in the first place.


Sooner MOL and that shower leave Ryanair the better frankly, can't believe we're about to let them commence round 2. Thank god Cork didn't give them what they wanted.

[davidjohnson6]

Looking at the FR press release, I notice that every single route frequency is an even number per week. Have FR perhaps counted a round trip as 2x weekly rather than the 1x weekly that is the normal convention ?
As an example, Stansted is described as jumping from 16x to 18x daily. I think that actually means it's going from 8 round trips to 9 round trips per day.

[LAX_LHR]

Have FR perhaps counted a round trip as 2x weekly rather than the 1x weekly that is the normal convention ?


I fell foul of this too in my jet-lagged slumber. Yes the press release is written that every '2 weekly' actually means 1 round trip.

[Jack1985]

I fell foul of this too in my jet-lagged slumber.

+1 after the night-shift. However I still believe, FR could have found organic growth from Dublin without this predatory style attack to existing services, like where is the inbound tourism from Almeria, Bari, Bucharest, Chania, Comiso, Marrakesh & Prague? More like inbound arrivals and no outbounds from some of those destinations. There's some potential with Basel and Lisbon, the latter most definitely going to be over-capacity for next Summer.

[ayroplain]

Pathetic, utterly pathetic. Apparently these new 1m seats will bring loads of new tourism, biggest load of crap ever sold and swallowed AGAIN by the DAA. So is someone really on this forum able to justify how;

24 weekly services can operated profitably to Lisbon next Summer from Dublin?
How long 8 weekly services to Bucharest will even last?
Justify how 17 weekly services to Prague will operate profitably?
And how flooding the UK services with seats which will mean nobody will make profit is frankly seen as competition when the bigger carrier can absorb it to take-out the smaller one who introduced services the bigger carrier cut in the first place.

Sooner MOL and that shower leave Ryanair the better frankly, can't believe we're about to let them commence round 2. Thank god Cork didn't give them what they wanted.
Ouch! MOL must be quaking in his boots, LOL. I'm always amused by the number of posters here who believe they are better airline CEO's than the current incumbents. Methinks, a few shades of green at work here;).

[EI-A330-300]

According to the news 3 extra aircraft being based, brining it back up to 21 aircraft. Not sure if that was the peak amount in 2007/8?

Agree with the comments about the routes but Chania and Bari are good ones to have, little service already and of course Marrakesh actually starting after FR wanted to bend the rules in 2008 when they planned to start it.

[EI-BUD]

a few shades of green at work here


Maybe so. You have to hand it to Ryanair how it is defending its patch, and so good how AerLingus put it up to them. Increasing MAN, BHX, BRS, EDI and GLA and operating on other routes like LIS just shows how Ryanair continue to target Aer Lingus market share, all dressed up as driving tourism.

AerLingus is significantly differentiated to withstand this competition. EIR passenger numbers totally eclipse FR in Glasgow/ Dublin market and many other European routes. Nice to see them one catch up with Aer Lingus in this market

Come on AerLingus launch a DUB LTN route to link in with USA routes, 319 would be ideal equipment. Passengers in north west London area could select from DUB LHR or LTN on the same booking.

It is the thinner UK Dublin routes that FR will find it tougher, NCL is an example and no wonder no increase in frequency on this route by FR.

EI-BUD

[Skipness One Echo]

EIR passenger numbers totally eclipse FR in Glasgow/ Dublin market and many other European routes. Nice to see them one catch up with Aer Lingus in this market
Well mainly because FR consolidated on an aircraft type that was useless for a competitve frequency and bled market share. Mind you, the upside elsewhere worked out better.

[easydan319]

Canadian airline WestJet has just announced Dublin daily starting next June (seasonal service) from St. John's (same plane starts in Toronto)

WJ16 23:15 - 07:00 (YYT - DUB)
WJ17 08:20 - 09:55 (DUB - YYT) then onto Toronto

Using 737-700s

[EI-A330-300]

Just after reading the daa press release for Westjet and came across this,

The new routes and expansions for next year already announced by customers such as WestJet, Ryanair, Aer Lingus, Norwegian and Air Canada Rouge will continue and strengthen our recent growth phase.”

Latest News > Dublin Airport Welcomes New Daily Service to Newfoundland (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/13-11-15/Dublin_Airport_Welcomes_New_Daily_Service_to_Newfoundland.as px)

Now Norwegian have no increase in flights so has the CEO let something slip or just a general mistake in the release. What could of could not be planned?

[Una Due Tfc]

I have always wanted to see Newfoundland. hope they do well out of this

[Mlinnie]

Us Airways are to use the A332 on the Dublin-Philadelphia route from 29th March 2014. It'll operate for the entire summer season.
Rumours going around also of EI launching a Dublin-Halifax route next summer using an A320, anyone have any confirmation?
Also is there any confirmation of TCX operating Cancun next year?

[LAX_LHR]

Us Airways are to use the A332 on the Dublin-Philadelphia route from 29th
March 2014. It'll operate for the entire summer season


Is this confirmed? Still B767 in all web booking portals.

[Jamie2k9]

Is this confirmed? Still B767 in all web booking portals.

Yes, 3 B762's being replaced by 4 A332's by summer 14.

Can't see 2014 growth being over quiet yet either.

[MarkD]

WestJet putting their toe in the Atlantic waters. Will be attractive to Newfoundland but also Nova Scotia/New Brunswick/eastern Quebec rather than schlep to Toronto or Boston, maybe northern Maine too. Kick up the ass for Air Canada too who have annoyed the locals with cutbacks to LHR-YYT. Toronto is 5276 km to Dublin, St Johns 3300km so the extra hike is significant. Given some similarities between JetBlue and WestJet maybe an codeshare agreement might be in the offing?

[dublinaviator]

WestJet dips a toe in the trans-Atlantic market with Dublin service; any prospective partners there? | CAPA - Centre for Aviation (http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/westjet-dips-a-toe-in-the-trans-atlantic-market-with-dublin-service-any-prospective-partners-there-140087)

[EI-A330-300]

DUB t'witter says SAS increasing capacity to OSL by 11% and CPH by 9% next summer.

[akerosid]

I wonder if that means 73G/319 instead of 717, or just extra capacity with existing type?

Some very good news to come soon, if reports are true:

Air China to launch DUB from next April, with A330s!

Photo: B-6079 (CN: 810) Air China Airbus A330-243 by John Fitzpatrick - JetPhotos.Net (http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=7446851&nseq=1)

[Mlinnie]

Any conformation on Air China??


Also, Ryanair have received permission to start flights between Dublin-Moscow & St.Petersburg from March 2014 Ryanair to Begin Flights to Russia in March 2014 | News | The Moscow Times (http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/ryanair-to-begin-flights-to-russia-in-march-2014/490178.html#.UpNjqOzmfmQ.twitter)

[EI-A330-300]

The Air China rumour is fact and will be announced any day now.

[chinapattern]

Any idea on frequencies or whether this is a seasonal/year round flight? A bit surprised that there is strong enough demand between Ireland and China for a direct flight; especially with Emirates, Etihad, Turkish and all the other connection choices.

[Jack1985]

The demand's from China to Ireland.

[EI-A330-300]

Don't have a lot of information but expect it will be at least 4 weekly if not even daily at times. 18,000 passengers between DUB and Beijing in 2012 while another 12,000 to other cities in China. Having a direct route will increase demand at either end anyway and cargo will be big on the route.

Dublin Airport Twins with Beijing Airport in Push for China Link :: Routesonline (http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/211307/dublin-airport-twins-with-beijing-airport-in-push-for-china-link/?video=2766732142001)

I'm sure there will be news on EK and EY at some point in 2014 to.

[Skipness One Echo]

18,000 per year is only 49 a day, are you sure that's right?

[EI-A330-300]

It's probably just for those carriers.

[stab3.5up]

I could see it work via a stop like fra or cph for example but direct...im not so sure. But if they do good luck to them.

[EI-BUD]

I am aware of instances in Ireland, north and south of people who book a ticket to a UK airport e.g. MAN, LHR, BHX and travel onwards with another on a separate ticket to a final destination in China. E.g. a guy I work travels about 2 times per year BFS to MAN and then on a separate ticket does MAN CDG WUH (Wuhan, China). Works out an awful lots cheaper.

Though this is a small sample, it does highlight that there might well be much more demand than the 18k per annum suggested, also a direct flight with some marketing in china by Bord Failte might make Ireland an attractive destination.

Few would have expected both a DUB DXB and a DUB AUH route to work as well as they have. Yes these carriers have huge connectivity at their respective hubs, the opportunities are no always easy to quantify in advance. Great to see progress at DUB nonetheless.

EI-BUD

[840]

How many between Dublin and Japan or Korea? I would imagine a direct flight in Beijing might pick up a share of that market.

Also, I assume the 12K figure doesn't include Hong Kong?

[Sober Lark]

EI, the price was right on the DUB-AUH-PEK but it took a day.

Price is one consideration. Journey time and convenience of schedules another.

DUB-PEK with LH is 13 hrs.
with TK it is 15 hr 10.
With EK it is 17 hr 50.

They would want to have some pretty attractive fares to take me away from LH or BA.

In passing what would the journey time be for a DUB-PEK non stop service?

Regarding PAX numbers I'm sure they could run an aircraft empty and still make money if freight loads are healthy.

[CCR]

The influx of Chinese tourists, in addition to cargo on the route to the now second largest economy in the world has a lot to do with it.

Brown Thomas hires in extra Chinese-speaking staff as sales boom - Independent.ie (http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/brown-thomas-hires-in-extra-chinesespeaking-staff-as-sales-boom-29785469.html)

[Shamrogue]

This rumour appears to be gathering pace. One of the travel industry journals published notes of 4 rotations weekly.

But we've been here before with Air India ............. looked almost certain and then whoosh - gone.

It'll be interesting to see. EI330 - you are usually on the button - should I go to Paddy Powers?

Regards
Shamrogue

[Fairdealfrank]

EI, the price was right on the DUB-AUH-PEK but it took a day.

Price is one consideration. Journey time and convenience of schedules another.

DUB-PEK with LH is 13 hrs.
with TK it is 15 hr 10.
With EK it is 17 hr 50.

They would want to have some pretty attractive fares to take me away from LH or BA.

In passing what would the journey time be for a DUB-PEK non stop service?

Regarding PAX numbers I'm sure they could run an aircraft empty and still make money if freight loads are healthy.


Via IST, DXB and AUH is one hell of a long way round! Shortest is via HEL, then LHR. Would imagine that DUB-PEK would be no longer than 20-30 minutes longer than LHR-PEK(?).

[LAX_LHR]

Turkish are increasing IST-DUB from 10 weekly to 12 weekly in March.

2x daily except Tue/Wed which is 1 daily. B737 continues to be used.

[Jamie2k9]

Over 1.4 million passengers in November up 7%


UK 626,000 up 11%
Europe 620,000 up 3%
Transatlantic 123,000 up 5%
Africa/Middle East 39,000 Flat
Domestic 5,000 up 26%

Year to date almost 18.8 million up 5%.
Latest News > 1.4 Million Passengers In November At Dublin Airport (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/13-12-05/1_4_Million_Passengers_In_November_At_Dublin_Airport.aspx)

November 12 to November 13 is close 1 million ahead.

2013 should just see around 20 million passengers if the weather is kind in December, last December numbers were 1.296 million.

[BFS BHD]

Any word on Thomas Cook Airlines doing Dublin-Cancun that was talked about a page or two back??

[EI-A330-300]

The new app is a big improvement with gate numbers, check in numbers, baggage belt and time to clear security all included.

[Noxegon]

Part of me wonders why they don't have the ability to buy a security fast track in the app. That seems like a quick win...

[dublinaviator]

Is there a daa app?

[ryan2000]

Dublin Halifax is a real possibility for 2014.

[racedo]

Dublin - Perth service to be served 6 times weekly via Abu Dhabi.............. Airline name is :mad:.

[Hangar6]

Love the marketing spin DUB AUH change planes AUH PER , so we get Dublin Perth, mmmm


And we slag FR.

[racedo]

Love the marketing spin DUB AUH change planes AUH PER , so we get Dublin Perth, mmmm



Yeah I know but not wanting to comment further as then forces Mods to start deleting stuff.

[Mlinnie]

What happened to the rumours of Moscow, St.Petersburg, Cancun and Beijing being launched next year?

[LAX_LHR]

Cancun could still be launched. Thomas Cook/Condor have announced MAN-TAB and DUB-CUN for 2014 which are still to be put up for sale.

[stab3.5up]

Maybe because t2 is full of all the air india a/c no room for the new routes!.

[positive]

Quote
Maybe because t2 is full of all the air india a/c no room for the new routes!.

:ooh::ooh::ooh:

[EI-A330-300]

God, just think what T2 would be like if AI actually did come, looking back the daa were mad suggesting that could take all there flights in the mornings. They can't even handle current traffic, poor passengers who arrive early in the mornings know all about it.

[Cian]

I imagine EI's shorthaul ops would have stayed at T1 had Air India come in.

[Una Due Tfc]

All AI transatlantic flights are non-stop now anyways. Some were 788 but they have all gone back to 77W. I've heard 2 A320s have been earmarked to have extra fuel tanks fitted for Halifax, can anybody confirm?

[Locker10a]

2 A320s getting fitted for Halifax? Really what airline ??

[Dontgothere]

The speculation is that Aer Lingus will be doing Halifax - Dublin come summertime against WestJet's St John's service, so that is who owns (or has a lease on) the A320s concerned.

[Hangar6]

Halifax the new Dubai?

To make it work a Canadian partner is needed , that's the issue for EI

Plus ideally UA or JetBlue working multiple connections to USA ,
Still lots of news, growth in the pipeline

[Skipness One Echo]

To make it work a Canadian partner is needed , that's the issue for EI
It's point to point leisure surely.

[Shamrock350]

Aer Lingus management stated a few weeks ago that they would announce a new Canadian partner for the Toronto route shortly, this was before the WestJet announcement so I wonder if their plans for a new interline/codeshare partner were changed after this?

[Hangar6]

Well not really , Halifax UK is a better bet point to point according to routes there is a limited point to point market , but the idea would be connecting traffic one stop

dub Yvr
Dub sea

Etc etc via Halifax rather than the normal busy hubs

[Cyrano]

Well not really , Halifax UK is a better bet point to point according to routes there is a limited point to point market , but the idea would be connecting traffic one stop

dub Yvr
Dub sea

Etc etc via Halifax rather than the normal busy hubs

Sorry, Hangar6, maybe I've misunderstood you. There aren't any Halifax-YVR or Halifax-SEA flights that I can see (http://hiaa.ca/flight-information/non-stop-flights/canadian-non-stop-destinations-from-halifax/). Are you suggesting they will be introduced?

[Hangar6]

Yep isn't it time we had a new western looking hub ? All very aspirationall at moment but S14 will see new routes/partner ex Dub to canada and USA


More good news this week Aercap bought AIG subsidiary ILFC so huge fleet now managed out of Ireland and they have lots planes in the pipeline to lease on,

[Dontgothere]

Indeed, the only existing routes which would be of much use (competitively speaking) transferring from Halifax would be Calgary, Ottawa and Montreal (all three of which would be easily accessible from Toronto Pearson (and of course there is a range of rural destinations in NS and NL)).

I suppose what EI's game plan with Halifax is going to be subject to conjecture until something more concrete comes of it.

[racedo]

I suppose what EI's game plan with Halifax is going to be subject to conjecture until something more concrete comes of it.

New York North...............taking lessons from FR :E

[Hangar6]

It's 11 months and 18 days since I passed any negative comment on FR
And now ducksie has gone all customer focused on us, still a great airline
Once they allow competition and if EI single aisle does TATL then FR will follow?

[MCDU2]

Two of the ex Iberia 320s were originally etops specc'd. No idea what the performance/payload figures look like nor the config. Could be a runner as far as wacky rumours go I suppose.

[Fairdealfrank]

Don't panic, AI are not coming to DUB. LHR and BHX are the nearest they'll get to DUB.

[Tom the Tenor]

The Dublin DAA gluttony knows no bounds.

[confused atco]

The Dublin DAA gluttony knows no bounds.?
Confused more than usual

[Vapor]

I think the plan would be for the connections to be on this side rather than via YHZ to somewhere else, eg.
UK-DUB-YHZ

EI has got Scotland well covered which could connect with a YHZ flight from DUB, also for pax in NI at is a short drive down to DUB. Zoom flew from BFS to YHZ a few years back.
Even if the market from DUB is small, you can tap into all the UK markets for additional traffic.
Direct options from the UK to YHZ are very limited at the moment.

[CCR]

According to today's Sunday Business Post, the EI Halifax route is not going to happen.

[Cyrano]

?
Confused more than usual

I think Tom means the Air India hub would have been in ORK, were it not for The Conspiracy. :cool:

[EI-A330-300]

According to Travel Extra the 20 millionth passenger of 2013 will handled lather this morning.


Travel Extra?s Sunday Supplement: Iced-in in Antarctica & Gatwick Gets a Soak | Travel Extra (http://travelextra.wordpress.com/2013/12/28/travel-extras-sunday-supplement-iced-in-in-antarctica-gatwick-gets-a-soak/)

[Jack1985]

According to Travel Extra the 20 millionth passenger of 2013 will handled lather this morning.


Travel Extra?s Sunday Supplement: Iced-in in Antarctica & Gatwick Gets a Soak | Travel Extra

Excellent, fair play to the DAA.

[Mlinnie]

Any chance of EI resuming the Dublin-Funchal route now that SATA no longer operate it?

[NorthernCounties]

With DUB now back over 20 million per annum, how long will it be till we see an extension to the runway - what is the threshold that must be surpassed?

Does anyone know roughly how many additional seats will be on sale with the recent announcements?

[positive]

Quote
With DUB now back over 20 million per annum, how long will it be till we see an extension to the runway - what is the threshold that must be surpassed?

Does anyone know roughly how many additional seats will be on sale with the recent announcements?

Must be at least 23.5 million per year until the new runway is back on the cards and even at that the DAA have another proposal first.....

Ryanair are adding more than 700,000 from Dublin next year so with all the other airlines I would assume the final figure will be over the one million mark next year.

[Sober Lark]

How many of the 20 million needed a longer runway?

[Cian]

How many of the 20 million needed a longer runway?


Very little really needs the longer runway - its the fact that 10/28 is going to fall apart soon. A parallel runway is needed to allow it to be completely rebuilt and then to not hammer the single runway to death afterwards.

[Sober Lark]

Overlooking the fact that St John's is supposed to be the cloudiest, foggiest and windiest of Canadian cities, I'd imagine Ryanair will observe Westjet's 16 week run in a 737-700 this summer with special interest.

[_IRL_Flyer]

United are increasing DUB-EWR to 2 daily between 06 June & 19 August.

The flight details for the second daily flight are as follows:

UA131 DEP DUB 12:30 ARR EWR 15:00
UA130 DEP EWR 22:25 ARR DUB 10:20

The flights will be operated by a B752.

United to Introduce Second Daily Dublin ? New York Nonstop Service for Summer 2014 - ITTN | Irish Travel Trade News Magazine (http://www.ittn.ie/bulletins/united-to-introduce-second-daily-dublin-new-york-nonstop-service-for-summer-2014/)

[LAX_LHR]

Its listed as a B737-700 in GDS. Rather strange!

[_IRL_Flyer]

Its listed as a B737-700 in GDS. Rather strange!

That is strange.

The second daily flight is now bookable on the UA website and shows both daily flights will be operated by the 752.

[LAX_LHR]

Yes its on UA site as B757 which is why I was taken aback at B737-700 listed in GDS.

Good news for DUB anyway.

[LGWAlan]

Amadeus now showing 757

[ayroplain]

After a short period of EXCELLENCE it was disappointing to see the long queues back at DUB T1 security last week. Did it not even occur to the DAA that huge crowds would be returning home after the holidays? It was maddening to see that one third of the lanes were CLOSED during this very busy period.

[Una Due Tfc]

Wasn't COA127 a second daily seasonal EWR flight before the merger and they started sending it to IAD instead? Thought it was only a matter of time before they got a second EWR flight going again. Let's hope they don't have the same issue with gates if they arrive early as the other flight.....

[Jamie2k9]

It was and there shouldn't be issues with gates at that time. It doesn't happen very often and airports can't be expected to plan around the wind direction for a handful of flights. If it was such an issue for UA they could of delayed the departure from the US but we all know why they couldn't do that, it's the same at DUB.

[LAX_LHR]

It seems Dublin has dropped out of Etihads top 10 routes list, despite having approximately the same capacity as Manchester (number 6 on the list) had for a lot of 2013 in the form of the B77W.

Routes News - Etihad reveals top 10 busiest routes (http://www.routes-news.com/news/1-news/2288-etihad-reveals-top-10-busiest-routes)

[j636]

LAX

Cargo was the main driver for the 777 upgrade, 2013 numbers are only up slightly so the B777 had next to no effect. Pax are up by just over 4000. EY plan 787 service which shows they never had plans for pax to operate a 777. The October upgrade to all 777 for a period was for cargo to.

BTW Man had a lot more capacity before the B777 started and even with the 777 ops MAN still have slightly more capacity.

On another note saw the Government meet with Qatar CEO about starting a direct service, IMO it will only be a matter of time before it happened with or without that meeting.

[racedo]

There is a limiting factor an Ireland to Australia service.............

As Irish economy improves and those who have emigrated have already done so then market reaches its own plateau of travellers.

On friends from both Ireland and UK who have emigrated to Antipodes in the first couple of years there are flights back home every year. But as people start to settle in their new lives after 2-3 years then this drops back to every 2-3 years. Even family visiting them tends to be about 1 visit in 3 years.

[Una Due Tfc]

Biggest obstacle to QTR is that the ME carriers are only allowed use 1 gate in T2, something to do with the US preclearance according to a colleague in DUB, hence why the Emirates often has to sit waiting for the Etihad to depart if that is delayed in the morning. QTR could use T1 i suppose.....

[j636]

Quote: Biggest obstacle to QTR is that the ME carriers are only allowed use 1 gate in T2, something to do with the US preclearance according to a colleague in DUB, hence why the Emirates often has to sit waiting for the Etihad to depart if that is delayed in the morning. QTR could use T1 i suppose.....


Not quiet the case when I'm at DUB, EY depart 3h before EK arrive after. I think they use one gate as its best one to use. QTR would have no problems as they could operate at anytime of the day. Evening departure or afternoon departure. They have a 14.45 departure form MAN and they could easily have that time at DUB with no problems and would not be gate restricted.


racedo - people I know from UK who went to AU they never came home for a long time after they left as they couldn't afford it but come back more often now.

[racedo]

racedo - people I know from UK who went to AU they never came home for a long time after they left as they couldn't afford it but come back more often now.

Best mate from Dublin has cousins there who average a trip every 3-4 years.

Some friends see every 2 years but seems general ave is ever 2-3.

[Una Due Tfc]

I was up in DUB for a meeting a while back. Went up to the tower to say Hi, Etihad 332 was waiting 45 mins for Emirates 77W to clear the gate. Other gates were free, ground controller said he couldn't give them another gate because the Americans didn't allow it

[Una Due Tfc]

That was early afternoon IIRC

[j636]

Yes 6 gates are blocked while US departures are in operation but AFAIK EK and EY request the specific stand and I think it best caters for the B777 and possibly doesn't block a second stand. I presume it was the afternoon arrival coming in earlier than scheduled that caused the wait.


I not sure if all the US gates are still blocked once the main bulk of departures happen (ie between 12.30-16.30) but as EI's 330's would be coming in from Europe arund 2 ish they probably still closed off. Qatat wouldn't have a problem if they were to come they would get a stand, something like this is small and wouldn't stop them. They bus passengers to terminals at other airports and as they are willing to use EDI facilities DUB won't have a problem!

[Mlinnie]

Would it be too late for Qatar to announce a Dublin route for S14?

[Sober Lark]

@LAX LHR, no prizes for who ever is in the top 10.

Tim Clarke of Emirates just said they are going to double the number of flights on the DXB-DUB route.

[akerosid]

Yes, but it's quite vague - no info on timing, frequency, type or when it's starting. uspect it was just a preliminary announcement as Enda of Arabia was visiting.

Still, good to have the commitment that it is starting.

Photo: A6-EBZ (CN: 32713) Emirates Boeing 777-31HER by John Fitzpatrick - JetPhotos.Net (http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=7251901)

I think it is probably too late to make an announcement for 2014. Can't help but think that EK's announcement was a message to QR: stay away from DUB ... although I do hope they start. Maybe cargo as well as/instead of pax?

[j636]

Likely from September according to Tim.

[racedo]

I think it is probably too late to make an announcement for 2014. Can't help but think that EK's announcement was a message to QR: stay away from DUB ... although I do hope they start. Maybe cargo as well as/instead of pax?

Think they will start as well.
Majority of people will not have 2014 flights booked anyway so a mid year start is easily done.

[Una Due Tfc]

788 would be perfect too. Relatively low risk due lower fuel costs and less capacity.

Not sure about cargo. The reason Emirates are doing so well is they took most of the cargo contracts that used to go through Heathrow with EI/Cathay. With daily 3x777W and a 332 or 4x777W between the other ME airlines, I wonder how much profit is there left? But I hope the market is there and they start a service

[Mlinnie]

S7 will use a A321 on their seasonal Dublin-Moscow route this year, still remains 1x weekly

[Jack1985]

I would of thought for a peak S14 launch it would be too late for a long/haul carrier, great news about the second daily Emirates service! :ok:

Elsewhere, Dublin-Helsinki has been dropped by Aer Lingus.

[seeryger]

Good news for Dublin airport and the airlines:

Passenger numbers up at Dublin Airport for busiest year since 2009 - Tourism News | Travel & Tourism Industry News | The Irish Times - Mon, Jan 13, 2014 (http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/transport-and-tourism/passenger-numbers-up-at-dublin-airport-for-busiest-year-since-2009-1.1653698)

[EI-A330-300]

Final passenger numbers for 2013 were 20.2 million up 6% according to the DAA who are also rebating €5.6 million in charges to 40 airlines who grew traffic.

Some of the carriers to benefit were: Aer Arann, Aer Lingus, American Airlines, British Airways, Delta, Lufthansa, Norwegian, Turkish Airlines, Ryanair, SAS, Tarom, and United.

The daa have extended the scheme by 3 more years to 2016. Last year saw the highest pay out of the 3 years it's being active.

Transatlantic traffic reached 1.9 million up from the 1.8 million estimate back in August.

Latest News > Passengers at Dublin Airport up 6% to 20.2M in 2013 (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/14-01-13/Passengers_at_Dublin_Airport_up_6_to_20_2M_in_2013.aspx)

[Sober Lark]

Emirates said it has carried 442,000 pax and 22,000 tons of cargo since 9 Jan 2012 on its DUB-DXB service. Second daily service starts Sep 2014. Rumour has it Mr Clark said Dublin would get a dedicated Emirates lounge but Enda thought it was a second daily flight so they went along with it to keep him happy hoping he'll have forgotten about it by September.

[Jack1985]

Brilliant year for Dublin, 2014 should pass 21m easily. Would it be plausible to think Dublin could go through 25m passengers PA before the end of this decade?

[Tom the Tenor]

In another year or two dub will easily go through 23 million pax plus after Cork has been bled dry of her remaining passengers.

[j636]

Quote:
Emirates said it has carried 442,000 pax and 22,000 tons of cargo since 9 Jan 2012 on its DUB-DXB service. Second daily service starts Sep 2014. Rumour has it Mr Clark said Dublin would get a dedicated Emirates lounge but Enda thought it was a second daily flight so they went along with it to keep him happy hoping he'll have forgotten about it by September.


Whichever one it is its good news but note a lot of online sites saying that a 777LR would do the second flight, which is more less the same as the 332 in capacity.


Good traffic figures overall and 550,000 transfer pax up 36% in a year. Didn't expect a figure like but heard that much higher numbers are transferring to Europe than the UK.

[j636]

EK confirm the second daily flight from 1 sep. 773 being used and arriving at 20.50 and departing at 22.20.

[Hangar6]

Interesting timings for EK pm service as EY have also a pm service four evenings a week and might go to more, as in T2 they both use same stand and checking areas , plenty room there in the evenings but certainly changes coming and
EK do need a dedicated lounge as offer F class as well as business class,
Competition hotting up on ME ! Makes me think no room for QR now?

[Skipness One Echo]

Competition hotting up on ME ! Makes me think no room for QR now?
Comparable size to Manchester which has all three, as the economy recovers you might see QR join the party.

[LAX_LHR]

Comparable size to Manchester which has all three, as the economy recovers
you might see QR join the party


Cannot compare purely on size. Dublin has always traditionally been stronger going west due to immigrant populations in the US, Manchester going east due to the Asian subcontinent populations, and more recently, growing Chinese populations.

[Sober Lark]

Yes, west is broadly correct, but if we look at Australia alone let us not forget 1.8 million reported Irish ancestry in their 2006 census. 40,000 moved to Australia in 2011/12 and 50,000 holiday makers and backpackers from Ireland visit each year. Community ties are strong here and that generates a substantial amount of two-way traffic which Emirates and the unmentionable are serving. On the exports front emerging Asia with China are set to overtake France. In a short time our main export destinations will be UK, USA, Germany, China.

[EI-A330-300]

Thomas Cook are to cease selling package hoildays/charter flights from 30 April. Still trading but online and to customers. Majority of passengers on charters were this party bookings.

Will be a loss but EI and fr will pick up the slack.

[confused atco]

Thomas Cook are to cease selling package hoildays/charter flights from 30 April

Do you have a link?

[Jack1985]

Isn't Direct Holidays part of Thomas Cook Ireland too?

[EI-A330-300]

I'm using the app so can't post one but it's on Facebook/ and twitter.

Yes Direct holidays are also part of them.

[LAX_LHR]

Well Im guessing that will mean the Dublin-Cancun route they good as announced at the London trade fair will not happen.

[stab3.5up]

It will impact on what little sole charter traffic that operates from DUB such as QS and other oddities that were in last sunmer. A long way from all the MON flights operared for Directholidays.

[SealinkBF]

Thomas Cook - official.

Thomas Cook to shut Irish charter operation (http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/Articles/2014/01/15/46640/thomas+cook+to+shut+irish+charter+operation.html)

[Mlinnie]

Aer Lingus bringing forward the launch of the Dublin-Toronto route to 14th April

[MCDU2]

Don't expect EI to be picking up the slack from Thomas Cook in any significant shape or form. The business plan is now heavily focussed on growing ACMI. The benefits are that its low risk and provides guaranteed revenue. Leasing new aircraft to serve additional routes would mean someone is putting their neck on the line. Should there be demand on any overlapping Thomas Cook routes and larger aircraft be available then they could conceivably be switched to free up additional seats. Like most airlines the summer has the aircaft and crews maxed out just servicing the existing schedule.

[EI-A330-300]

MCDU2

EI already have increased flights on lots of the same TCX routes. They are looking for specific aircraft for such routes long before this news. There may be nothing major out of it but EI and travel agents work well together and if there is demand from then EI will serve there needs where possible.

Capacity to Turkey is all but restored except a flight to AYT, Wings Abroad will increase flights. Only a matter of time before EI add AYT or even another service considering the success Izmir is for them.

A little surprised at the YYZ move, clearly bookings are good!

[Seljuk22]

Some more figures about EK at DUB
Emirates Doubles its Dublin Service :: Routesonline (http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/235585/emirates-doubles-its-dublin-service/)

[Mlinnie]

Will DL be using the A332 on the DUB-ATL route?

Also, will DL add extra flights to JFK over the peak summer months like they did last year?

[EI-A330-300]

Not currently to ATL, they are being moved to another US base, while its to early to know JFK, usually March before they are confirmed.

[MCDU2]

EI already have increased flights on lots of the same TCX routes.

Got any numbers to support that? The increase in frequencies (eg: Canaries flights) were announced well before TCX pulled out. Without new airframes and recruitment of more pilots and ccms I can't see any "significant shape or form" as I stated earlier. The current fleet during summer is maxed out as are the crews hence the hire ins last year.

The other thing to bear in mind is that the charter pax are notoriously price sensitive and fickle. Not the target market the current business plan is focusing on.

[EI-A330-300]

A lot of people know TCX ending was coming, its being know since the review a year ago, they have a very very bad summer last year compared to Thomson who had a great one and current trends for 14 suggest the same, Sunway see double digit growth in bookings before TCX closure announced. They hadn't even launched there summer brochure for this year and people knew it was not good. EI are the main winners as TCX website using only EI scheduled flights for future bookings.


Faro see the A332/3 twice weekly, Corfu gains extra weekly, Izmir increased capacity, Lanzarote extra weekly. Thomson add Ibiza while Ryanair move into Crete. They were getting it from all sides. There is always room within current capacity levels to fill more so the above extra will help and overall capacity for 2014 will be up with FR adding other bits.


EI are watching for a few extra aircraft to work with tour operators and benefit themselves. There is some room in current schedules for extra's to be added.


I'm wouldn't be surprised if they add a Turkish route if Wings Abroad and Sunway can't get operator to fill BJV and AYT. TCX picked the worst time to announce this and it shows poor management, they knew well before last week of the closure.


There won't be anything major but there will be small things.

[EI-A330-300]

Tarom increasing capacity by 50% for the summer, started last summer 3 weekly flights increased to 4 in October and increasing to 6 weekly in March.


Not sure how long it will last with Ryanair starting 4 weekly service and there is Blue Air's 3 weekly service to.

[stab3.5up]

Will do very well as back door way into uk via dub up the road to belfast in the uk job done.

[LAX_LHR]

Will do very well as back door way into uk via dub up the road to belfast in
the uk job done


Don't see why the analogy when they have been given the keys to the front door too.

[EI-A330-300]

TBH the only reason I can see its such success if the 06.05 arrival OTP connecting that area of Europe which is purely served from here.

[CCR]

Probably won`t be too long before Dublin-Sofia services are relaunched.

[Jack1985]

Not sure how long it will last with Ryanair starting 4 weekly service and there is Blue Air's 3 weekly service to.

Blue Air haven't long left, so a good move by TAROM to get them off the route to cosy up next to Ryanair ~ I understand a lot of connecting traffic thanks to SkyTeam partners for them as well as Romanians going to/from Bucharest and within Romania.

Probably won`t be too long before Dublin-Sofia services are relaunched.

I could see it being re-introduced for Winter operations by Aer Lingus, it done well back in Winter 2008/2009 with Topflight using some seats, didn't do well in the Summer months, and Aer Lingus preferred to use there aircraft elsewhere wisely.

[barossavalley]

Etihad to go double daily on Dublin-Abu Dhabi July 15

[CCR]

Wow, competition is really hotting up between Turkish, Etihad and Emirates all going double daily this year!
Wonder how long before we see Qatar or will they go for Cork or Belfast instead?

[ExoticSkier]

Hello,

Referring to Sofia & Bulgaria skiing.

Is there any tour operator serving ski holidays to Bulgaria from Ireland? The only crowd I found balkan.co.uk serving Belfast only. They list Dublin however no flights are loaded or are they full? It is a terrible website.

Bulgaria ski conditions are known to be quite erratic, having poor snow rattles the confidence of skiiers, damaging the seasonal demand. I plan to go this season but I will not book until snow conditions improve.

If EI or FB team up with a willing tour operator plus considering changes to the immigration laws perhaps a weekly A319 could work next season 2014/15 ? (Assuming there is no ski charters from DUB)

[CCR]

Think it`s quite likely for Dublin to Sofia to be relaunched in next winter`s schedule by Aer Lingus or some other airline.

[GAZMO]

Jet2 operate charter for ski company to Bulgaria from BFS every Saturday during season.

[EI-A330-300]

EY double daily from 15 July, extra B777 and 3 A332 weekly.


There was annual ski flights to Bulgaria until this season when they stopped. I believe ski holidays are much stronger this season so it could be returned next year or year after.

[VanBosh]

EY & EK now both double daily, when you consider EI couldn't make DXB work back in the Celtic tiger it just goes to show the amount of transit pax they must get.

I appreciate a lot more people now living in AUS etc but who is suffering from these guys gain? BA via LHR? Is 4xdaily sustainable?

[Sober Lark]

EI pulled out of Dubai because it could see significant demand for US flights. At the time they'd have us believe it wasn't anything to do with bad timings, bad service or poor onward connections.

Island of 6.5 million served by only 4 x daily flights. SQ and QR must kick themselves at a missed opportunity.

[Skipness One Echo]

EY & EK now both double daily, when you consider EI couldn't make DXB work back in the Celtic tiger it just goes to show the amount of transit pax they must get.
I appreciate a lot more people now living in AUS etc but who is suffering from these guys gain? BA via LHR? Is 4xdaily sustainable?
You're comparing apples with pears. Aer Lingus can get you to Dubai, just like Virgin do from Heathrow. Emirates however connect to many, many destinations going East from Dubai. DUB is a spoke on the Emirates hub and spoke network, EI was mainly point to point. The same applies to Etihad.
SQ and QR must kick themselves at a missed opportunity.
Singapore took a major hit at MAN when the ME3 went big time, that's at the extremity of the range of the B777-200ER, nowadays MAN routes MAN-MUC-SIN on a B777-300ER. I reckon that ship has sailed for DUB, the desert carriers are just too strong.

[Sober Lark]

You know you could be right Skip. One day Europe will probably transit through the desert.

[EI-A330-300]

Windavia will begin a weekly service to Funchal, they will be replacing Sata who have reduced fleet. Flights run from 13 April to 12 October on Sundays.

[stab3.5up]

Maybe might bring the price down a little as well for hols to fnc

[akerosid]

Reported on another site that ET (Ethiopian Airlines) is looking at ADD-DUB-LAX from next January. Presumably 787s.

Would mark a return to LAX (presumably traffic rights would be awarded), but also first direct African route from DUB - and ADD is a very good hub for the continent.

[Hangar6]

Mm hope it happens but not a chance USA will allow traffic rights IRL LAX
What's in it for them , USA I mean ?

[stab3.5up]

What was the other site and please guys lets not make an Air India out of thus story please!!

[EI-A330-300]

It's on Travel Extra, you could say its more than a rumour considering the CEO announced the plans in Dublin and said discussions are going well at the minute.

[Una Due Tfc]

Seems a strange one. Their 787s have the range to do direct flights to LAX, and the runway isn't long enough at DUB for their 777s to do it. Still fingers crossed, first 787 scheduled Dublin service maybe.

[EK77WNCL]

However do Ethiopian's 787's have the range to do it from ADD's 7,656ft elevation runway? Even if it is over 15,000ft long.

[Cyrano]

Seems a strange one. Their 787s have the range to do direct flights to LAX, and the runway isn't long enough at DUB for their 777s to do it. Still fingers crossed, first 787 scheduled Dublin service maybe.

In the audio clip on the site, the CEO clearly says they plan to use 777s. Maybe he hasn't checked the runway length? :cool:

[davidjohnson6]

I'd be very impressed with any airline that can operate a flight ADD-LAX nonstop profitably - seems like a very long way to fly...

[EK77WNCL]

From similar experience, I don't think the 77L would have any problem operating from DUB's 2600m runway to LAX. Providing they use the 77L, although I can't see the 77W having that much more of a problem, although it would have more pax/cargo restrictions but would still carry largely the same as a restricted 77L. Six and two threes really but it would be nice to see it happen.

According to Boeing's charts, a Boeing 777 200LR should be able to take off at sea level on a standard day fitted with GE90 115B's at MTOW in about 9200ft, so the hit for DUB-LAX would probably be negligible as it is well within the range envelope of the aircraft.

[All names taken]

Interesting development indeed.
Ordinarily I would say that Ethiopian is one of the best run airlines on the African continent, but this is so left field, it smacks of the Bimans of this world.
Can't wait to see how it actually pans out.

[Skipness One Echo]

The O&D in the DUB-LAX market would be zilch, the man in the street would just think of them as some dodgy African outfit. (I mean who might land a B763 at an unsuitable airport after a series of f*** ups en-route)
The US carriers would continue to hold sway with one stop connections.

[davidjohnson6]

Skipness - unless perhaps Ethiopian hire a really good marketing person for their Dublin office and offer some really cheap DUB-LAX fares ? Could a UA codeshare be added for the DUB-LAX leg as well ?

[Skipness One Echo]

OK they're in the same Alliance but I would strongly suspect United would not be looking to co-operate on this one, North-America to Europe is firmly in "their" camp.

[EI-A330-300]

SOE

61,000 pax flew to LA in 2012 from DUB.

Up to last September it's the fifth busiest connection made from Dublin with the top five are SFO, MCO, SYD, New York and LAX.

2013 stats will probably be out soon.

[Noxegon]

The O&D in the DUB-LAX market would be zilch, the man in the street would just think of them as some dodgy African outfit.

The man in the street doesn't give a flying (pun intended) if the price is right.

[Una Due Tfc]

I was always told DXB/AUH were about the limit of what a 77W could do out of DUB without load restrictions, maybe I'm wrong! Could certainly see it working westbound, not so sure it would be as successful eastbound. Maybe only a stop neccessary westbound a la BA in SNN with their A318s? Emirates send 77Ws and A388s direct from DXB to LAX, usually over the pole when solar conditions allow. ADD is similar distance.

[j636]

Very unexpected news, would be great if it happened.

hanger 6
You say the US wouldn't benefit which is correct but EK MXP-JFK not the same thing. (not done any looking into rights so they could be completely different agreement etc) Im sure Aer Lingus will object to rights anyway.

A 787 would in principal be best for the service with its lower operating cots and capacity to the 777's.

dj
Operating non stop isn't possible because of ADD location (elevation of runway), with the 788 fully loaded and expect the same for the 777.

Has work started on the USPC build?

[INLAK]

A 77W or 77L would have no problem operating out of DUB to LAX. I'll run the perf figures in work tomorrow for exact numbers. From memory, a 77W on a standard day, can lift about 320,000 kgs from 28.

[crewmeal]

The man in the street doesn't give a flying (pun intended) if the price is right.

Not sure if Ethoipian is dry or not but if it is then the Irish wouldnt fly it:D

[Noxegon]

Ethiopian | In-flight | Economy Class (http://www.ethiopianairlines.com/en/travel/inflight/economyclass.aspx)

"Appropriate light snacks to full course hot meals are served on all flights, together with a wide selection of fine wines and alcoholic beverages."

[racedo]

Not sure if Ethoipian is dry or not but if it is then the Irish wouldnt fly it:D

Ethiopian dry ?
Er why ?

[stab3.5up]

This thread is going all Air India again!! Why not wait till we get something a bit more official before we build mountains out of mole hills. And talking of Air India I take that nothing more has happened with that story?

[rutankrd]

Not sure if Ethoipian is dry or not but if it is then the Irish wouldn't fly it

Might be subsaharan however Ethiopia is predominantly Christian and overwhelmingly so among the ruling classes.

In addition there are sects nominally Jewish.

Alcohol is freely available as is the drug khat.

Muslims form a minority in much of the country other than border areas near Eritrea and Somalia.

No need to consider airline to be dry. In fact its one of the best on the continent !

Still opening a service to LAX is a major step for sure.

[Jack1985]

Don't believe what I'm reading, are all us Irish heavy drinkers? Typical prejudice which is absolutely ridiculous. I think you'll find drinkers on flights cover a wide variety of nationalities.

[Sober Lark]

Crewmeal is just being humerous. But, seriously, other than on over heating battery give me a valid reason an Ethiopian Dreamliner would need to visit Dublin.

[seeryger]

Relax jack1985....we all need a sense of humour

[Una Due Tfc]

I'd certainly avoid a dry airline on long haul if I could!

[EI-A330-300]

T1 to be redeveloped and made much more user friendly particularly the corridor after security where it can be congested at times with passenger volumes.

ARI Ireland plots major commercial redevelopment at Dublin T1 | TheMoodieReport.com (http://www.moodiereport.com/document.php?c_id=6&doc_id=38037)


At least it won't be dull an dark the way it currently is.

[Jack1985]

Brilliant, the DAA sure has a lot to be thankful for where T1 is concerned I remember those bottlenecks between 2003 and 2009! How it kept running without any delays is beyond me, about time T1 got some TLC.

[Una Due Tfc]

If only they would get rid of some of the bottlenecks on the maneuvering area at both terminals then everybody would be happy

[EI-A330-300]

Lufthansa carried 370,000 passengers last year up 7% and there highest since operations began. 3/4 of passengers connect and the most popular connections are Moscow, Kiev, Tel Aviv, Lagos, Sofia, Beijing, Caracas, Tokyo, Zagreb, Cairo, Graz and Minsk.


Quiet surprised with the level of connections within Europe.

Latest News > New Record For Lufthansa At Dublin Airport (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/14-02-03/New_Record_For_Lufthansa_At_Dublin_Airport.aspx)

DUS being increased form 2 to 4 weekly and MUC being increased from 3 to 4 weekly all A320 replacing A319 which operated a weekly last summer.

[840]

Most of those European destinations are not available from Dublin, so it makes sense that there would be connections.

I also know of one ongoing large IT project that must be creating 10-20 trips a week between Dublin and Graz, which adds up to a nice chunk over a year. Graz is quite difficult to get to if you don't connect in Frankfurt.

[bannercounty]

Use FRA from Dublin to travel onto Geneva quite a lot and so do most of my colleagues. A lot of familiar faces on the FRA- GVA leg that you would see on the DUB- FRA.

[EI-A330-300]

S7 who recently replaced an A319 with A321 on there seasonal weekly service to Moscow are going to announce a daily A319 service according to Tourism Ireland for the summer at least not know about winter season.

[EI-BUD]

Lufthansa success on DUB FRA nog at all surprising . I used then on VCE FRA DUB last April. Due to a storm in Ireland the plane (full 321) was diverted to MAN. A significant amount of the passengers were Russian transmitting through FRA.

I actually did DUB VCE via ZRH booking all flights through LH. The ticket was exactly half of that of EI or FR direct flights ex DUB.

Same story this year EI in peak season to many Italian airports double that of LH via FRA . LH is great product and often at an excellent price.

[Copenhagen]

You must also take into account that LH has probably also soaked up a large proportion of the star feed from the former BD service through Heathrow.

Moscow and Tel Aviv are long 'short haul' sectors but must be high on the list of potential new routes from Dublin, along with Zagreb, Kyiv and Cairo, but for the unrest in the land of pyramids.

Why don't Lufthansa operate a proper Dublin Munich schedule year round? EI have demonstrated the point to point demand exists.

This route would open up central Europe and offer a fantastic transit experience, alongside improved one stop potential to south east European and Italian regional cities.

Come to think of it, Lufthansa groups exposure to the Irish market is small - No Brussels, no Vienna, hardly any German wings and a poor Munich schedule.

[Mlinnie]

Latest News > Dublin Airport Welcomes BA Move To T5 (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/14-02-07/Dublin_Airport_Welcomes_BA_Move_To_T5.aspx)

[ayroplain]

Before people start cheering, will non-transferring pax still be allowed to walk from the aircraft straight out the front door of the terminal without any interference from Border Security.

[Noxegon]

Before people start cheering, will non-transferring pax still be allowed to walk from the aircraft straight out the front door of the terminal without any interference from Border Security.

I wonder what percentage of BA passengers on the London routes don't transfer. I'd hazard a guess that the vast majority of those travel on EI or FR.

...and while we're on that topic, why is it that Dublin Airport doesn't have a dedicated exit for UK passengers? It's quite a large percentage of inbound traffic after all.

[ayroplain]

I wonder what percentage of BA passengers on the London routes don't transfer.
Not a lot in my experience certainly within the last 12 months. Have sometimes walked down the long tube by myself.

...and while we're on that topic, why is it that Dublin Airport doesn't have a dedicated exit for UK passengers?
It doesn't even have dedicated for returning ROI pax either, LOL. They have to queue up like everyone else. In T1 anyway. Don't know about T2 as I never use it.

[Dontgothere]

No dedicated ROI & UK passenger exit in T2 either.

[Cyrano]

...and while we're on that topic, why is it that Dublin Airport doesn't have a dedicated exit for UK passengers? It's quite a large percentage of inbound traffic after all.

You mean like at LGW or STN, where you show your boarding pass to prove you have arrived from Ireland, and go straight through? That would be nice.

One aspect of the Common Travel Area which I find amusing (and which seems to be generally ignored in British airports whenever I arrive there) is that the CTA only applies to UK and Irish citizens, i.e. you may legally be called upon to show ID to prove that you do not have to show a passport. :hmm: If you are not a UK or Irish citizen, it's not a passport-free travel area. So strictly speaking, when I arrive at STN or LGW off the plane from Dublin, I only have the right to be allowed in on the basis of my boarding card if I also have an Irish or UK passport.

[j636]

Arriving in DUB is very fast and very rarely delays clearing immigration like the UK for many passengers not Irish of course. If it's not that it's baggage delays. Handlers could learn a thing or two by being shown how things are done at DUB in general. At some UK airports operational efficiently is very poor and well below DUB when it should be the same.

The BA move to T5 is purely to try steal market share from EI which are carrying much higher numbers from both DUB and BHD, some BA flights are ghost flights compared to EI.

[Noxegon]

Arriving in DUB is very fast and very rarely delays clearing immigration like the UK for many passengers not Irish of course.

Most of the time. Last year I had to wait ninety minutes on arrival into the old Pier B...

[blaggerman]

The BA move to T5 is purely to try steal market share from EI Nice theory, but I suspect the fact T1 is closing may also be a factor.

[EI-A330-300]

Almost 1.3 million passengers in Jan, up 10%


Latest News > Almost 1.3 Million Passengers Used Dublin Airport In January (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/14-02-11/Almost_1_3_Million_Passengers_Used_Dublin_Airport_In_January .aspx)

[BFS BHD]

I see Turkish Airlines are using a A333 on their IST-DUB route this afternoon is this a one off? Aircraft is TC-JNO.

[Hangar6]

Guessing as they xxld earlier rotation they combined flights ? Cargo?

[EI-A330-300]

Confirmed all flights to North American will clear in DUB from 30 March. Capacity to the US/Canada is up by 320,000 (17%) in 2014. 10% to US, 80% to Canada.

https://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/14-02-20/North_American_Traffic_Set_For_Another_Record_Year.aspx

[carsonEGAD]

Any news on the DUB-PEK link?

[Una Due Tfc]

Or Ethiopian to LAX?

[EI-A330-300]

Any news on the DUB-PEK link?Three airports trying to secure it, probably 2015 before anything happens now.

There will be another carrier enter DUB before them if some rumours are correct. Going east!

[Una Due Tfc]

Well you would think it's only a matter of time before QR show up

[carsonEGAD]

Could we ever see CX operating to HKG or would the payload restrictions be too great? I know that a lot of people travel to HKG from DUB with many from Northern Ireland (including myself), with many choosing to fly BA or EK, maybe CX could snap up some of their business?

[Una Due Tfc]

They could do it with an A332, but I can't see it happening. CX used to have alot of cargo contracts in Ireland. EI would do the DUB-LHR leg, then CX would take over. Most of these contracts were lost to EY/EK. So if they didn't do it when they had the cargo to boost revenue, I don't think they would do it now, but who knows

[LAX_LHR]

CX identified future European routes to tie in with the A350, and Dublin was not mentioned.

[jucylucy]

Can't see BA being too happy if Qatar were to arrive in Dublin since they are one world partners.

[racedo]

Sooooooooooooooooo when is Air India announcement :E

[Sober Lark]

The negotiations were very intense Racedo. Something about nice package this, pre clearance that bla bla bla, then one of them said what about throwing in 162 feet of additional runway. Sorry couldn't hear the rest.

[EI-A330-300]

Lufthansa adding fifth weekly to MUC for peak summer and Flybe replacing Dash 8 with E-195 on Exeter route.

[Tom the Tenor]

You can send the 162 foot of extra runway down to Cork.

[ayroplain]

Just heard that the unions have decided to go ahead and shut down DUB/SNN/ORK for four hours on 14th March despite an expert group having been set up to try to solve the pensions dispute and are already working on the next phase of strike action. Obviously, a statement being made that they still have the power to cut off access to/from Ireland by air whenever they feel like it. Methinks, time for legislation to be rushed through.

[Tom the Tenor]

Time to privatise the airports - more and more airport workers are getting closer and closer to minimum wage territory anyway.

Did yez all hear that snobby aul' EI wan on the TV aviation show last week - that and the tripe about snn?

Who do they think they are holding to ransom unsuspecting passengers?

The Cork Airport crowd worrying about the new terminal's debt and the roof leaking! I would tell the DAA to stick their debt up their jacksie.

[Jack1985]

Methinks, time for legislation to be rushed through.

What legislation would that be? the bill for screwing employees?? Good to know you're all for workers rights who have been 100% screwed by there employers and let me just be clear, they will not get away with it.

Hilarious some of you think the Gov would dare publish such legislation, in the words of Putin, such actions would bring the ''Storm''.

[racedo]

Good to know you're all for workers rights who have been 100% screwed by there employers and let me just be clear, they will not get away with it.

Or as others would say
Welcome to the real world that everybody else lives in.

[lfc84]

Race to the bottom racedo ?

[Jack1985]

Or as others would say
Welcome to the real world that everybody else lives in.

And the real world you speak of? The real world where I myself have had;

1) Hours increased by 10%
2) Introduction of Standby days (i.e. 4 days on 3 days of, of which 2 will be standby)
3) Accepting a pay-cut of 15%, of which 5% of that could be redeemed through Increased hours - We all did that.
4) Accept above conditions in order to protect pensions, and future prospects.

I accepted, and part 4 has now been reneged on through no fault of my own. I basically accepted to work 10% more hours for nothing, which I gladly did. There are less fortunate people then me and I completely understand that. I've been in the real world my whole life racedo, struggled to pay bills some weeks in order to keep a job I absolutely love - and now I'm being lectured by a Ryanair PR man who welcomes me to the real world? This the same company that has absolutely no credibility when it comes to its treatment of employees (circa '98).

Let me give you a quote circa 09, to the above in which I signed the dotted line below it;

The objective of the first stage of the Plan is to deliver substantial operating cost reduction, in both staff and non-staff areas, to enhance productivity and to implement change in order to secure the Group's pension arrangements.

[racedo]

I've been in the real world my whole life racedo, struggled to pay bills some weeks in order to keep a job I absolutely love - and now I'm being lectured by a Ryanair PR man who welcomes me to the real world?

If I was FR PR then would be down some trendy whine bar now not on here.

[Skipness One Echo]

Weatherspoons surely? And I don't mean that as a criticism as they actually are pretty good value for money. There's enough whine around here as it is....

One thought, in the "real world", there are people getting richer and richer with the rest of us getting left behind. I make no comment about necessary steps to save the business, however it's always the same people who have to make sacrifices and always the same people who reap most of the rewards. The two appear mutually exclusive!

[kcockayne]

Well said, Skipness. How VERY true !

[Jack1985]

One thought, in the "real world", there are people getting richer and richer with the rest of us getting left behind. I make no comment about necessary steps to save the business, however it's always the same people who have to make sacrifices and always the same people who reap most of the rewards. The two appear mutually exclusive!

That could honestly be the wisest post I've seen from any user on pprune, well said. :D

[ayroplain]

Any reasonable person would say that there is now absolutely no reason for this strike to take place. A concerted effort is being made by several parties to try to sort out the problems.

The union headbangers are going ahead just to justify their existence and prove a point and, as a further threat, have stated that they will be meeting to discuss further strike action which shows that they have no regard for anyone or anything but their own deluded self-importance. The workers will be the losers. The headbangers will collect their nice big salaries as usual while the poor workers will suffer the ignominy of losing some of theirs. If the staff had any gumption or self-respect they would stop this strike threat now but we know they haven't got the liathróidi and would rather be led like sheep by their lords and masters.

[racedo]

Weatherspoons surely? And I don't mean that as a criticism as they actually are pretty good value for money. There's enough whine around here as it is....

That is where the Winos hang out.......

[racedo]

That could honestly be the wisest post I've seen from any user on PPRuNe, well said. :D

In agreement with that.

[Jack1985]

The union headbangers are going ahead just to justify their existence and prove a point and, as a further threat, have stated that they will be meeting to discuss further strike action which shows that they have no regard for anyone or anything but their own deluded self-importance. The workers will be the losers. The headbangers will collect their nice big salaries as usual while the poor workers will suffer the ignominy of losing some of theirs. If the staff had any gumption or self-respect they would stop this strike threat now but we know they haven't got the liathróidi and would rather be led like sheep by their lords and masters.

You know what I partially agree, there has been numerous cuts implemented and the bottom line are always effected - Where as, both CEO's (Mueller and Cussen) will see pay rises and ''performance'' bonuses? For what????

Regards SIPTU, there is a massive double standard going on - with there own staff facing cuts and there pension fund up in the air also. But put it this way, we've been in talks since 2006 nearly every consecutive year about this and its gotten us no where, in fact the pension deficit continues to grow despite us the bottom line, being given cuts to ensure its viability - In layman's terms, we were screwed and what we wanted protected was being taken further and further away from us.

The main issue at the moment is those with +30 years of service are being told you're getting the same pension as person with negative 30, the contracts were totally different, example A got a lot more, example B got a lot less and those of us in C got f*ck all for starters. At this exact moment, there are 5,000 workers within the IASS who are no longer employed and have not gotten there pension as defined in there contract. Something has to be done, an IR dispute seems the only way for the top brass to actually figure this out - in the right way. For starters, they could forgo there bonuses for x years and there's a lot more. Nobody wants to affect the travelling public, but is that the burden us in the sector are expected to bare? Oh you're having you're wages cut, you're pension will probably be revoked, you'll work more and you know what - You dispute it you get no where, you bring a union rep in you get taken off the payroll, you and you're colleagues go on strike and you're the evil in the room.

But who am I kidding, we'll talk in a few weeks, where there'll be another cut of sorts and there will be broad acception, you know why? The unions give less of a sh*t these days then management.

[EI-A330-300]

DAA gone to court to get an injunction saying that SIPTU didn't ballot all members of staff which is in beech of existing agreements.

[racedo]

DAA gone to court to get an injunction saying that SIPTU didn't ballot all members of staff which is in beech of existing agreements.

Do you reckon that this was Incompetence or Deliberate ?

Now doing the deliberate route means that you don't want the strike but call it and don't follow procedures so Court will throw it out which you know.
Result is that you achieved your result but didn't have the work stoppage but everybody knows there was a strike called.
Or am I giving the Union a competence that they don't have ?

[Cyrano]

Do you reckon that this was Incompetence or Deliberate ?

Now doing the deliberate route means that you don't want the strike but call it and don't follow procedures so Court will throw it out which you know.
Result is that you achieved your result but didn't have the work stoppage but everybody knows there was a strike called.
Or am I giving the Union a competence that they don't have ?

I like the idea, but if the union were crafty enough to plan this deliberately, surely they'd also be smart enough to know that it'd make them look so entirely incompetent they can't even organise a strike, to say nothing of being so bone-headed they wouldn't even call it off when an expert panel had been appointed (which was the obvious way out rather than having their competence questioned).

So I'm voting for cock-up rather than conspiracy.

[Hangar6]

Bearing in mind Siptu pension fund itself is a mess !

Vast majority of current DAA and EI staff are not in this pension scheme, pilots have their own scheme add in SR Technics has left for the sandpit leaves just the stalwarts , who just happen to be key personnel, fire station , airport police and even most the current staff don't want a strike as no benefit for them and just dogs abuse from passengers all day for not large wages , a real mess hard to see union being that clever , still annother chapter .......:ugh:

[EI-A330-300]

Racedo

Hard call but I think the union were expecting both companies to meet demands and not for it to get to strike, a unexpected move from the DAA who have remained very quiet until now. DAA should win this one on Monday, EI said the same thing a few weeks ago but seem to have left it for some reason.

DAA timed the news very well and ensure no action can take place over any of the weekend which is one of the busiest.

As said very few want to strike.

[EI-A330-300]

Ryanair are also seeking an injunction to prevent disruption to 13,000 passengers, they are including SNN in theirs. Clearly the SAA are not bothered to seek an injunction.

[ayroplain]

Any opinions on why EI caved in so early rather than fight these troublemakers in the courts like the others?

[Hangar6]

Wow you have a certain way with words Aeroplan, but I reckon
DAA have a clearer case as the dispute will impact their other tenants EK EY DL etc who have zero case to answer and thus it's a clearer argument for DAA in the courts , EI on the other hand are more involved or at least in the eyes of Siptu they are more involved even indirectly,

[EI-A330-300]

Turkish Airlines sees Dublin Airport as potential ?gateway to Atlantic? - Tourism News | Travel & Tourism Industry News | The Irish Times - Fri, Mar 07, 2014 (http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/transport-and-tourism/turkish-airlines-sees-dublin-airport-as-potential-gateway-to-atlantic-1.1715510)


A lot is just PR but TK wanted to codeshare with EI to feed T/A flights. Can't help thinking it would of being good for EI as it was before EY came on board with them. A move to T2 for TK would of being on the cards if happened I expect.

[stab3.5up]

The sunexpress comments are the most interesting of the entire piece i think.

[ayroplain]

Tomorrow is D-Day for the DAA/FR injunctions against the strike.

If they succeed:

1. Will EI/FR revert to their original schedules? (FR has now posted its alterations for Friday)

2. Is it likely that the union would organise a go-slow or similar out of spite? (e.g. deliberately long queues at Security?)

[EI-A330-300]

Mandate have withdrawn their notice just 4 days after serving it to DAA.

As for reverting back to normal schedules for EI it won't happen as they have hired in help and the whole point of the early change was to give certainty to passengers traveling.

Ryanair on the other hand probably have the resources to do so but changing 92 flights back is a big ask. Seen as they left it this late u wonder why they didn't wait until tomorrow to put the changes out. Are they expecting to lose?

Would think the union would need to still give a weeks notice of any change in action and possibly even a new vote.

In other news AA are flying the 767 to JFK over the next few days instead of the 757.

[EI-A330-300]

High Court blocks SIPTU aviation strike - RTÉ News (http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0312/601718-siptu-ruling/)

[racedo]

Pretty much as expected to be fair.

[Jack1985]

Well I can clarify now, there will be absolute war as a result of this.

[ayroplain]

Well I can clarify now, there will be absolute war as a result of this.
Can you explain what you mean by this statement.

[Jack1985]

Can you explain what you mean by this statement.

Our right to strike as a result of breach of contract by our employers has been removed. This is an absolutely disgraceful situation, compounded by lies told by the DAA and Ryanair (who had nothing to do with the situation but add their bit to be being the biggest pr*cks in aviation), I believe that is what I mean by my statement. Excuse my anger, but this is a pretty worrying development in which a party in Government, Labour is supposedly for public sector workers.

[ayroplain]

Our right to strike as a result of breach of contract by our employers has been removed. This is an absolutely disgraceful situation, compounded by lies told by the DAA and Ryanair (who had nothing to do with the situation but add their bit to be being the biggest pr*cks in aviation),
I see this as an injunction - no "rights" have been removed as of yet. Ryanair has everything to do with this. The union action was set to cost them and their customers a lot of trouble and money in a dispute not of their making.

But you haven't explained what you mean by "war" and what this will involve.

[Jack1985]

I can discuss via PM as revealing any more information here is pretty unwise on my behalf.

[racedo]

Labour is supposedly for public sector workers.

Get real.

Irish Labour Party has always been about feathering their own pockets.

[Jack1985]

Get real.

Irish Labour Party has always been about feathering their own pockets.

Indeed get real, and for once hide your bias.

[ayroplain]

I can discuss via PM as revealing any more information here is pretty unwise on my behalf.
In that case probably best not to divulge anything and let us read between the lines.

I am one who believes that no group of people should have the power to hold the whole country/people to ransom and I include airports and such as Electricity/Gas in that category. While welcoming this injunction I do not see it in any way as a statement that this power will be removed once and for all. Pity that the judge did not elaborate or maybe he did and it hasn't been published yet.