DUBLIN - 2

[racedo]

Loads have being as low atr42 capacity. Before the winter schedule it operated mores less as point to point. It has improved but believe its not as good for connections still. It was always going to a hard job to fill a second daily flight in the first place. Im sure such numbers are not common but its not doing well either.

I said before that there is a ceiling on PAX transitting via Gulf, heading especially to Australia. Most who will want to emigrate from Emerald Isle will have already done so and the back and forward visits slow down as people become more settled within their lifestyle.

Adding more services i don't believe will add many more passengers.

[Jamie2k9]

The new route is United to Chicago. They are launching Dublin and Rome. Will be up to 4 daily to ORD now. Reportedly a B752. Most likely will replace the second daily EWR.

AA will have to up their game.

[stab3.5up]

They might even be on time

[j636]

I did say months ago they were looking at this route!

Notice AA have given themselves an extra 35 mins on ground with ORD. Could of just worked out like this for AA dropping HEL and the new DUB-HEL service offers transit to ORD (no directly bookable yet). 90mins each way. Finnair are starting ORD but 3 weekly over daily AA. DUB could benefit. AA have said they are seeing increasing transit on single tickets.

[Una Due Tfc]

AA92 did seem to come off the ocean at wildly different times each day this year...and last year.....and the year before.....

[j636]

To be fair they managed a 25-30% improvement this year. Its just ORD which suffers badly. There was a couple of days it didn't manage to land In DUB until 22.30 this year.

[Noxegon]

Maybe they have an opportunity to shift to a daytime flight?

I'd use a Chicago service scheduled to land in DUB at 22:30.

[Una Due Tfc]

Will be interesting to see if it is indeed at the expense of the second daily EWR.

So DUB's confirmed peak Trans Atlantic schedule next summer is:

JFK: 5 x daily
ORD: 4 x daily
YYZ: 18 x weekly*
BOS: 2 x daily
IAD: 11 x weekly
EWR: 1 or 2 x daily
ATL: Daily
PHL: Daily
CLT: Daily
SFO: Daily
YYT: Daily
MCO: 4 x weekly
LAX: 3 x weekly

So 155 weekly scheduled flights each direction if the second EWR is gone, 162 if it isn't, with perhaps more announcments/adjustments to come, not bad.

* I'm not including WJA because they aren't direct, and TSC are only 4 x weekly right?

[EI-A330-300]

JFK - 5 daily You forgot AA.
IAD - 11 weekly

Larger aircraft to ATL, CLT and full time on PHL after operational problems this year.

So 155 scheduled possibly 162 weekly during peak season.

[Una Due Tfc]

I though it was announced AA are dropping it?

[EI-A330-300]

Nope they released the schedule last week and daily from March. It was never fully off sale just the winter freq was put in next summer before being updated.

[Una Due Tfc]

Good news! Previous post edited

[owenc]

Is 162 big? What is LHR?

[Una Due Tfc]

Last year, DUB had the 7th highest number of weekly flights to North America in Europe, just behind FCO. LHR is comfortably #1, followed by (not necessarily in correct order), AMS,FRA,CDG and IIRC #5 was LGW. I was very surprised that DUB was so much busier trans atlantic than the likes of CPH, MAN, ZRH, MUC, ORY etc. apologies for not having the exact figures owen, I read it in one of the British papers during the summer.

Keep in mind though, that's movements, not seats. DUB may well overtake FCO this year in movements, but a larger number of FCO movements will be widebodies, so I suspect it'll be comfortably ahead of DUB in terms of capacity

[EI-A330-300]

DUB will move from 7 to 6 for largest gateway to the US overtaking Rome unless they managed to add 28 more weekly flights for 2015 in terms of frequancy.

Its very possible to target top 5 in short term as we are not far behind MAD.

Then there is the big 4 of LHR, FRA, CDG and AMS, a very long way behind those.

[Una Due Tfc]

I don't think MAD has as many movements to [B]North[B] America, most of their flights are to Latin America, but I'm open to correction there

Tried to make "North" bold there, unsuccessfully obviously

[EI-A330-300]

The figures are N America based, MAD is quiet busy to all areas.

[LAX_LHR]

I was very surprised that DUB was so much busier trans atlantic than the likes of CPH, MAN

Its no surprise DUB was bigger than MAN for Trans-Atlantic capacity

For DUB, large inbound market, especially over summer, home based hub carrier, pre-clearance, lower taxes and of course, DUB is a European Capital.


MAN has only little of the first advantage, and none of the other advantages DUB has. Add to that, MAN has to deal with the fact LHR is only 200 odd miles away, with connections by air, road and rail


However, despite those advantages, MAN still gives a good fight, with around 130 each way departures to around 18 trans-Atlantic points.

[Una Due Tfc]

No doubt about it, MAN does extremely well considering there is no home based "flag" carrier. TOM, TCX and VIR do quite nicely over there for leisure based pax going to the beach, the parks etc. Only comparable flight from DUB would be MCO i suppose

[LAX_LHR]

It has always surprised me there is not more 'beach capacity' across the Atlantic from DUB. The lack of Caribbean flights is the biggest shocker of all, would have thought there was enough demand for at least 1-2 weekly Barbados or Cuba?

[Una Due Tfc]

There was a rumour a while back of a 2 x weekly TCX to Cancun, nothing came of it though. I suspect carriers who would think of launching this service are already getting Irish pax through MAN, LGW etc so probably not worth their while in doing it.

On a different note, I've noticed a B764 doing the Delta DUB-JFK run lately, a permanent fixture or just for the web summit last week?

[j636]

Full season with DL.

[EI-A330-300]

United confirm ORD will run between 4 June and 17 August (US departures)

UA152 ORD-DUB-18.05-07.35 D 752
UA153 DUB-ORD-09.50-12.15 D 752

Total of 25 weekly flights each way.

09.50, 10.35, 11.30, 15.45* DUB-ORD
15.50, 18.05, 18.35, 20.00* ORD-DUB

* - Mon, Thu, Fri, Sun

With CLT planned for 330, this 752 flight slots into the changes to a stand to accommodate 3 752s together. Worked well this year.

[Mlinnie]

Is EWR still 2 daily for peak summer months??

[EI-A330-300]

Second EWR also returns. 4 daily UA flights peak season.

[EI321]

Won't all this extra transatlantic traffic cause serious issues with T2 gates at peak times. Perhaps its time to look at building the additional pier to the south of T2.

[sprite1]

Yeah, I understand EI are being asked/pushed/whatever to use the B pier again for european flights in S15. This is throughout the day, I mean. I know they use them for first wave departures and last wave arrivals.

Has to do with the Ethiopia, extra EI long haul and the above mentioned American aircraft for next summer.

Anyone remember O'Leary's 'white elephant' comment? So what if it was quiet and spacious at times. We don't all want to be squeezed in like sardines like T1 in 2006.

[Jamie2k9]

Yeah, I understand EI are being asked/pushed/whatever to use the B pier again for european flights in S15. This is throughout the day, I mean. I know they use them for first wave departures and last wave arrivals.

Has to do with the Ethiopia, extra EI long haul and the above mentioned American aircraft for next summer.

Anyone remember O'Leary's 'white elephant' comment? So what if it was quiet and spacious at times. We don't all want to be squeezed in like sardines like T1 in 2006.

It won't really affect many. Most used B up until 13.00 anyway. Only a few in E.

They will probably lose 2 stands with the ET arrival/departure. EI will probably arrive on E and be moved off stand to B for the morning or moved back to E between 06.30 and 07.30 before the EY arrival takes the stand which is usually 10-15 late arriving anyway. What we have next summer is DL to ALT in and out between 06.30-08.40 which will help. CLT 332 shouldn't cause much bother either giving the times. Once the 12.55 departures to EWR goes the rest of US flights board downstairs. I'm sure AA improving punctuality would be a great help to! Not much chance of that happening.

[Jamie2k9]

Luxair will commence a weekly FAO charter next summer.

FAO-DUB 08.40-11.30 B738
DUB-FAO 12.30-15.30 B738

Flights to Antalya also resume since Thomas Cook exited.

[EI-A330-300]

Transavia are to begin a service to Paris Orly next year. French media list Dublin along with others and will be announced on Monday.

[Cyrano]

Kerry and Donegal PSO routes both renewed, both awarded to Stobart Air this time: announcement (http://paschaldonohoe.ie/minister-donohoe-to-retain-pso-routes-for-regional-airports/).

[EI-A330-300]

Daily year round service to Paris ORY from 1 June.

ORY-DUB 18.20-19.10 - D ex Sat
ORY-DUB 06.30-07.20 - Sat

DUb-ORY 19.55-22.45 - D ex Sat
DUB-ORY 08.05-10.55 - Sat

Between 12 and 13 daily flights to all 3 Paris Airports.

http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/14-11-27/transavia_com_To_Enter_Irish_Market_With_Daily_Flight_To_Par is-Orly.aspx

[Noxegon]

I've got to say I'm thrilled at the prospect of being able to fly to Paris* without using CDG.

*BVA is not Paris.

[EI-A330-300]

Latest News > Dublin Airport Passes 20 Million Passenger Mark (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/14-11-30/Dublin_Airport_Passes_20_Million_Passenger_Mark.aspx)

1.3 million extra passengers and 20 million passed a month earlier than in 2013.

While November stats are not ready they passed 1.4 million mark.

Should make over 21.6 million for 2014 at least.

Transit passengers up 38% with over 650,000.

[AerRyan]

United confirm ORD will run between 4 June and 17 August (US departures)

UA152 ORD-DUB-18.05-07.35 D 752
UA153 DUB-ORD-09.50-12.15 D 752

Total of 25 weekly flights each way.

09.50, 10.35, 11.30, 15.45* DUB-ORD
15.50, 18.05, 18.35, 20.00* ORD-DUB

* - Mon, Thu, Fri, Sun


It may seem that united has partially revolted against Aer Lingus starting Washington.

[Jack1985]

Nope, UA had been talking about an ORD service since late 2013 If I remember correctly. Both carriers are complementing each other.

[Sharklet_321]

RE the PSO going to Stobart, i'm assuming that means they will deploy the ATR-72 on the CFN-DUB route? That is a huge capacity increase from current SF-340's of Loganair. Quite good news. Although in the past it was operated by ATR-42's…

[chuboy]

Stobart currently has an AT42 as well? I assume they will use that. I'm not up to date on what their operations are but they just closed their base in Shannon so that may have freed it up.

[Fairdealfrank]

I've got to say I'm thrilled at the prospect of being able to fly to Paris* without using CDG.


Quite right, CDG is a S**thole.



*BVA is not Paris.


It is in the sense that OXF is London, and it is in "FR-speak", but apart from that........

[Fairdealfrank]

I've got to say I'm thrilled at the prospect of being able to fly to Paris* without using CDG.
Quite right, CDG is a S**thole, ORY is so much better.



*BVA is not Paris.
It is in the sense that OXF is London, and it is in "FR-speak", but apart from that........

[alserire]

O'Leary really did get it catastrophically wrong when he claimed Terminal 2 was a white elephant.

Can anyone imagine what a one terminal Dublin airport would be like now?
:ugh:

He really wasn't thinking ahead.

[Sober Lark]

alserire, depends on your definition of White Elephant. Is T2 value for money? Can T2 be extended to add additional traffic? Was a 15m passenger capacity a blinkered approach? Was the creation of so many incursion hotspots good value for money?

[EI-A330-300]

Not sure but anything build between 2004-2007 is value for money!

Yes. If I can remember its another 15 million.

Possibly however B pier was always part of the plan

Lets be honest here Ryanair were never going to be happy. Using a field next to the airport for check in/security would do them just fine.

[Just a spotter]

There's a DAA annual report from a couple of years back, can't recall which, that stated the "B pier"/300's need significant remedial work as there is a crack that affects the structural integrity of the structure. The plan was once T2 was live that the pier would be closed, repaired and extended to accommodate more stands. IIRC, an extension was also proposed for what was the A's, now 200's.

IMHO, that's not likely in the short to medium term. My guess is that the new ATC tower is the priority development at the field as it paves the way for 28R, then toss up between additional gates/pier extensions (repairs?) or 28R post 2020.

JAS

[Una Due Tfc]

The new tower will be funded by the IAA, and latest talk is that it's to be finished some time in 2017. Nothing official has been announced as such, all just talk afaik currently.

The DAA were asked by airlines not to build T2 where it is, for various reasons; more cul de sacs, too close to the threshold of 28/34, making an already complicated taxiway layout even worse, and they bulldozed 3 or 4 brand new gates to make it. The "H" pattern works just great at most major airports, but the DAA knows better.....

[alserire]

My issue is the chaos that was Terminal 1 check in and security before T2 was built, especially in the morning. It's a far more civilised experience now in either terminal.

I have no great love for O'Leary and I cannot imagine what Dublin would have been like if he had had his way.

Value for money is a different story. As someone else pointed out no building in Ireland built in the early 00's could be described as being value for money.

But it certainly means a better travel experience and there is great scope for further routes/airlines as the economy recovers.

[EI-A330-300]

The IAA have tendered for remote towers at Cork and Shannon to be controlled from Dublin.

[Una Due Tfc]

Only at night initially

[EI-A330-300]

DL drop the 332 for the third year running on ATL however AA upgrade JFK to B763.

[Angry Rebel]

4 APFS tenders and a clatter of police surrounding an RE ATR at T1. Anyone know what the problem is?

[Angry Rebel]

Pax seem to have been offloaded to buses and escorted under blue lights to terminal.

[Jack1985]

It's the special Santa flight, full escort laid on. :)

[Angry Rebel]

Can't tell if that's sarcastic, a joke or serious?!

[racedo]

O'Leary really did get it catastrophically wrong when he claimed Terminal 2 was a white elephant.

Can anyone imagine what a one terminal Dublin airport would be like now?
:ugh:

He really wasn't thinking ahead.

MOL called it right as DAA blew a €billion.

There has been a plan for decades to have a separate low cost privately built Terminal at Dublin but DAA and its Unions have done everything to stop it even getting to planning stage.

Now everybody is lauding increasing passenger numbers and claiming great Terminal where as MOL stating he did what he said he would do, drop Passenger duty taxes and Ryanair will increase flights. Taxes reduction which apparently was opposed from Dept of Transport.

Now Airlines will continue to get hit to pay for the White Elephant in charges.

[Noxegon]

Speaking as a passenger, I like Terminal 2 and am quite happy to pay that little bit extra to use it.

Not everyone wants the race to the bottom that O'Leary (used to) promulgate.

Just my €10.62...

[Paul_from_Dublin]

Speaking as another passenger I also like T2. Last time I used Ryanair they were using a portacabin added on to T1.

Sometimes Ryanair is cheaper and sometimes it's not but there's more to life than saving €10.

[racedo]

Speaking as another passenger I also like T2. Last time I used Ryanair they were using a portacabin added on to T1.

Put there by DAA who wasted the €billion

[j636]

T2 was not a billion by the way.

[Una Due Tfc]

I'm not opposed to a loco terminal, but there is a serious shortage of widebody stands in the mornings in DUB even with 2 terminals, and I suspect a loco terminal would be narrowbody only, with no U.S. custom facility

[Epsomdog]

I don't think you could describe T2 as a white elephant! It's certainly being used and it meets the needs of a fair number of pax and airlines.

Is there a need for a lo cost terminal? Possibly! It may be a big gamble though. If pax then vote with their feet. I wonder which terminal they would prefer?

[Paul_from_Dublin]

Racedo said...(the portacabin)...Put there by DAA who wasted the €billion

Yes Racedo, would Ryanair have preferred a tent? :p

[alserire]

A White Elephant is useless. T2 is clearly not. As someone else pointed out would there be US Pre Clearance for every flight in T1 if there was no T2? I doubt it.


The simple fact is that 20 million passengers in one terminal per year was lunatic. Argue about the cost by all means but it certainly isn't a white elephant. Both terminals are far more pleasant to pass through than T1 was at its height.

[Cian]

Funny how that no matter how many times its explained to certain Ryanair fanbois that T2 didn't cost a billion they return to making that claim. As if there's no other facet of an argument left...

[Paul_from_Dublin]

And by Racedo's/Ryanair's accounting I suppose the portacabin cost the DAA about €50 million? :hmm:

[racedo]

Funny how that no matter how many times its explained to certain Ryanair fanbois that T2 didn't cost a billion they return to making that claim. As if there's no other facet of an argument left...

Feel like just putting the links up to the debate that happened here 4 years ago.

The cost of building T2 plus the write off of Assets previously built at Dublin pretty much hit the billion mark.

There was land held by McEvaddy brothers who proposed building a low cost terminal for a fraction of DAA costs but DAA and Unions did everything in their power to ensure it never could happen.

After all this would destroy their powerbase then again the Unions did offer to run T2.

[j636]

The type of high yielding Business passengers which FR are now trying to attract won't settle for rubbish airport services. FR want more profit however they are having to spend more to achieve it.

Feel like just putting the links up to the debate that happened here 4 years ago.

The cost of building T2 plus the write off of Assets previously built at Dublin pretty much hit the billion mark.

There was land held by McEvaddy brothers who proposed building a low cost terminal for a fraction of DAA costs but DAA and Unions did everything in their power to ensure it never could happen.

After all this would destroy their powerbase then again the Unions did offer to run T2.

While I don't like unions bowing to FR demands shouldn't happen either as it will never end well. By the way the some of the cost of T2 will not be paid through airport charges.

[Cian]

The cost of building T2 plus the write off of Assets previously built at Dublin pretty much hit the billion mark.


Go ahead - because whatever you're going to post isn't going to show that.

1Bn was the cost of the entire set of works to the airport, including Pier D - without which, FR wouldn't have particularly much to operate from. T2 didn't cost 1Bn and even if you manage to justify pulling unconnected costs it, you're not going to "pretty much hit" 1Bn either. You really need to stop believing this crap, as it makes for an incredibly weak argument when you parrot it to people who know it to be false.


There was land held by McEvaddy brothers who proposed building a low cost terminal for a fraction of DAA costs but DAA and Unions did everything in their power to ensure it never could happen.


There's nowhere in the world where the scheme they cooked up would have been allowed, despite what Micky tells us.

[racedo]

Go ahead - because whatever you're going to post isn't going to show that.

1Bn was the cost of the entire set of works to the airport, including Pier D - without which, FR wouldn't have particularly much to operate from. T2 didn't cost 1Bn and even if you manage to justify pulling unconnected costs it, you're not going to "pretty much hit" 1Bn either. You really need to stop believing this crap, as it makes for an incredibly weak argument when you parrot it to people who know it to be false.

Then suggest you go back and reread.

Dublin didn't need a Billion spent on it, just like Cork didn't need $200 million spent on it.

There's nowhere in the world where the scheme they cooked up would have been allowed, despite what Micky tells us.

Not when you have the DAA management and Politicians involved.

Funny how its possible to privately build cost effective facilities elsewhere while Dublin blew a billion that will never be paid off.

[confused atco]

$

If you cant get currency right I would not hold out much hope for the rest of your argument.

[Cian]

Then suggest you go back and reread.


Link to it, then.


Not when you have the DAA management and Politicians involved.


So where, precisely, do you have two competing terminals using a single airfield then?

[Cyrano]

So where, precisely, do you have two competing terminals using a single airfield then?

Racedo is big enough to argue his/her own case, so I'll stay out of that, but here's (http://www.jfkiat.com/about.html) one example of a competing terminal (JFK T4).

[Cian]

Racedo is big enough to argue his/her own case, so I'll stay out of that, but here's one example of a competing terminal (JFK T4).


PPP with the Port Authority heavily involved... I'm sure the same scenario in Dublin would still have been derided due to DAA involvement.

[BHD2BFS]

Just wondering what Thomsons set up is at Dublin?
Do they have aircraft based at a Dublin all year around and if so how many?

[EI-A330-300]

The same set as BfS in summer and a B738 Fri-Sun during winter. Aircraft positions from the UK. They also use EI this year to cut costs, used to be Thur to Sun based. They use a couple of other carriers in summer.

[Una Due Tfc]

Sunwing have been doing a lot of TOM flights out of DUB the last few years

[BHD2BFS]

I never realised tom was in belfast during the winter

[Mlinnie]

Are Tarom ending their Dublin operations?

[EI-BUD]

To one and all can I firstly say Merry Christmas and thanks to all who contributed to the forum this year.

I think the debate should move on from how much T2 cost to build; this is past event and can not be undone at this point.

My vision is that the scale of transatlantic operations can increase and Dublin can become a sort of mini Dubai for EU-US traffic and that is really achievable given our geography. Therefore, I see that we will need increased facilities. There may also be a need to develop extra facilities ...

Lets hope that when this does happen that DAA have learned from the T2 project, while it probably could have been done cheaper, it was celtic tiger Ireland when the whole thing was developed, a vastly different world to the one we now know.

[racedo]

Link to it, then.


Do your own searching afterall you supposedly have been on PPRuNe since 2012.

[racedo]

Racedo is big enough to argue his/her own case, so I'll stay out of that, but here's (http://www.jfkiat.com/about.html) one example of a competing terminal (JFK T4).

Thanks bud

http://www.ucd.ie/geary/static/publications/workingpapers/GearyWp200506.pdf

Study which looked at competing Terminals in Dublin which was looked at as a Govt policy until the politicians bottled it as already indicated.

Instead they blew a billion on T2.

Irelands Dept of Transport opposed ANY changes in Finance Ministers changes to charges to increase passenger throughput at Dublin which kind of shows why Civil Servants and Govt Monpolies are best kept out of aviation.

[racedo]

Lets hope that when this does happen that DAA have learned from the T2 project,

Monopoly Business with regulator in its pocket learning ?

Good luck with that one.

And a Merry Christmas as well :)

[Cian]

Do your own searching afterall you supposedly have been on PPRuNe since 2012.


How about no? You're the one asserting that this content exists and supports a point you're trying to make so you're the one who can go find it. Particularly as that's what you said you were going to do:


Feel like just putting the links up to the debate that happened here 4 years ago.


Considering you can't count sufficiently to tell the difference between 2 and 4, I'll be delighted to see what other catastrophic maths errors you've made in your calculation that 1Bn was spent on T2.

[racedo]

How about no? You're the one asserting that this content exists and supports a point you're trying to make so you're the one who can go find it. Particularly as that's what you said you were going to do:


Nope never said i was going to.

And as you appear unwiling then really indicates you just trolling so will let you get on with it and just ignore.

[Cian]

And as you appear unwiling then really indicates you just trolling so will let you get on with it and just ignore.


You really, really need to learn what trolling actually is.

Use something to support an argument and you link to it, rather than telling people to find it themselves, or expect nobody to believe you. Internet 101.

[EI-A330-300]

AA have moved their ORD flight to 09.40 from 10.35 since UA announced their service.


They wanted JFK to be the first flight of the day when they first announced it to, however EI have put a stop to that next year for a time.

[ia350]

Was on a site were a Caribbean route will be announced , should be confirmed later this month in the RDS when it will host world travel week .

Hopefully it's the first of many.

[ia350]

Heard a Caribbean route will be announced later this month .

[AerRyan]

In 1999 me and my wife got married in Barbados. We flew from Shannon-Bridgetown and friends of ours flew from Dublin-Shannon-Bridgetown. Brittiana was the airline we flew with btw.

[EI-A330-300]

Video doing the rounds of a BA pilot on 24 December holding up traffic inbound and outbound and not vacating when asked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWg7IpphPc8

Can see why LHR have problems! :rolleyes:

[AerRyan]

That's a very interesting video. I watched it a few times. Its like standing in the line at passport control with a queue behind you looking for your passport.

This is not the first bad thing I've heard about BA pilots either!

[Noxegon]

I think the pilot in question should pay for the two go arounds he caused out of his own pocket...

[LBIA]

I see that for safety reasons Dublin Airport has just announced that it has suspended all flight operations due to the storm force winds tonight. Quite a few aircraft had done missed approaches and there are still plenty in the holds.

Guess some airports will be accepting diverts tonight?

[EI-BUD]

Paris Frankfurt and Madrid EI flights en route to BFS

[LBIA]

Looks like Belfast and Shannon are taking the bulk of diverts at the moment. Quite a few holding still as well

[owenc]

Um am I being deceived or are the planes heading for Belfast City. :bored:

Um isn't that airport closed? No they are turning.

[EI-BUD]

No the 3 EIs are for BFS

[Armodeen]

A couple just got in but still some go arounds, full stacks and the FR evening horde are inbound..

[owenc]

Ok so I think thats probably it for Belfast. The only other one that I think is the Ryanair one over the isle of man from Eastern Europe.

[cornishsimon]

Looks like a WX is heading towards Belfast now


cs

[AerRyan]

Good morning Dublin.
10 aircraft diverted to Shannon and are starting to make their way back to Dublin down. Almost record numbers. Several go-arounds recorded today.

[chuboy]

Spare a thought for your compatriots elsewhere in the country

METAR EIDL 082330Z AUTO 27038G63KT 8000 BKN010 OVC044 10/04 Q1003 REDZ=

:eek:

[EI-A330-300]

Anyone know what the TK announcement is on Tuesday, hardly just confirming going 2 daily?

[ia350]

Maybe a new route to Ankara ?

An upgrade to an a330 for a few weeks during the summer ?

[owenc]

I was thinking an aircraft upgrade to a wide body. Not sure if they would do a new route when they are a hub type airline.

[CabinCrewe]

shortly after GLA BRS and NCL ?

[owenc]

Probably never lol.

[ia350]

Can't see them going to Belfast , especially with them increasing their Dublin route .

[LAX_LHR]

I did read about a year or 2 ago that Turkish were interesting in tapping into the Dalaman holiday market after several meetings with the tourism chiefs of the area, linking cities in Northern and Western Europe.


Given Dublin doesn't have a huge charter operation, could they be looking into resurrecting that plan, with Dublin in mind?

[EI-A330-300]

2014 traffic reached 21.7 million up 8% (1.5 million).

Europe 11.1 million up 5%
UK 7.8 million up 8%
Transatlantic 2.1 million up 14%
Middle East/Africa 643,000 up 19%
Domestic 72,000 up 7%

Transfer traffic 750,000 up 34%

Latest News > Dublin Airport Passenger Numbers Up 8% To 21.7M (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/15-01-12/Dublin_Airport_Passenger_Numbers_Up_8_To_21_7M.aspx)

[EI-BUD]

Hi All,
what a sparkling set of results by Dublin airport. Great to see the single most important piece of transport infrastructure on the island showing growth.

The stand out for me was the relationship betwee the 'Middle east/ Africa' and the 'Transatlantic' one. A ratio of 2.1M:643K, i.e. 76:23. Incredible what the Middle east/ aftrica portion is achieving. Hence, I see massive potential in the transatlantic business. These should compliment each other strongly.

Suggests that easily Dublin can truly become a gateway for the USA at a much greater scale than current exists. Lets hope the facilities can handle this.

EI-BUD

[Kinocker]

It also further shows up EI's hopeless efforts at an expansion eastwards some years ago. While they were never going to be as well positioned strategically as the gulf carriers there was definitely an opportunity missed by them in that market when they decided to step away from it and stick rigidly to low cost European and transatlantic only.

[EI-A330-300]

DXB was never workable considering only around 30% of EK and EY traffic is poont to point.

There is very little euro carrier presence in DXB.

[ia350]

Excellent figure's maybe it's time to start that runway .

[Jack1985]

Stellar performance at DUB, and sustainable too.

[EI-BUD]

Kinocker,

I disagree entirely with your assertion that Aer Lingus expansion eastward was hopeless. They tried it as did Gulf air in the peak of booming Ireland.

They didn't have a clear strategic link for seamless travel through Dubai. Besides the airlines of the Emirates have the resources and scale to make it work where other's did not.

Putting a focus on the core and profitable markets ie the U.S. was the right choice and they have made substantial profess to date.

[Una Due Tfc]

Third busiest year ever for DUB, here's hoping they're back to the boom numbers (over 23 million) within a year or 2

[ia350]

Is the Turkish airlines major announcement tomorrow ?

[Tower Ranger]

EI330/300

Some of the Euro Carrier presence in Dubai, BA, Virgin, KLM, Air France, Lufthansa, Swiss, Austrian, Turkish.

[EI-A330-300]

EI330/300

Some of the Euro Carrier presence in Dubai, BA, Virgin, KLM, Air France, Lufthansa, Swiss, Austrian, Turkish.

The point being all of those are hubs located in a good area and have the benefit of feed into DXB as an O&D point. Bet EK have better frequency than most if not all and are the largest capacity provider on the route.

Is the Turkish airlines major announcement tomorrow ?

As suspected just confirming double daily officially.

AF operating a B773 charter on 10/15 Feb.

[Una Due Tfc]

Ireland v France six nations match on the 14th

[ia350]

Kinda disappointed about the announcement by Turkish airlines , and what about Ryanair , no announcement from them .

[Noxegon]

They did in fact announce... just not what people were expecting.

Ryanair passengers will soon be able to watch films during flights....for free - Independent.ie (http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/ryanair-passengers-will-soon-be-able-to-watch-films-during-flightsfor-free-30903215.html)

[Just a spotter]

According to The Irish Independent, 16th Jan 2015, flights to Iceland will run during the summer

The new service, from Dublin to Reykjavik, will commence June 2nd.
Ireland's first direct flights to Iceland unveiled, with prices from ?49 each way - Independent.ie (http://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-news/irelands-first-direct-flights-to-iceland-unveiled-with-prices-from-49-each-way-30910304.html)

JAS

[NWSRG]

Of course, you can already fly from Belfast International (that little regional airport up north) to Reykjavik with Easyjet! :ok:

[EI-BUD]

While they all market Iceland as being to Reykjavik, all of the flight use Keflavik airport a 50 minute coach journey away. A really superb little airport, it has to be said. And while Reykjavik does have an airport, which can handle up to 757, it is just for short and domestic flights, Dash8's and F50 a plenty.

In Keflavik, the airport operation in impressive, Icelandair time their US and European flights to coincide in each direction to enable connections between both continents, hence for e.g. Around 4-5 pm a big way of 757's are all leaving simultaneously and the airport is buzzing ...

[Runway_approach]

I notice Knock airport launched a new one off transatlantic pilgrimage flight in august with EI - looks like its displacing one of the JFK rotations on that particular day from dublin (august 8th) a strange one!

[AerRyan]

With 3 rotations a day in the peak season, they are not losing much:P

[Just a spotter]

Happy 75th Birthday Dublin Airport

Dublin Airport officially opened at 9:00am on January 19, 1940. It was a cold Friday morning when the inaugural flight - an Aer Lingus Lockheed 14 bound for Liverpool - departed from Collinstown Airport, as it was then known.History (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/about-us/history.aspx)

Just, look how you've grown

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7tCdujCQAAD-ou.jpg

JAS

[ia350]

Michael o, Leary in the paper today saying Dublin is a small market referring to starting routes to the US with prices from 80- to 95 euro , Dublin small market ? he's got to be joking right ?

[Stevek]

Greater Dublin area population of around 1.5m. That is small.

[AerRyan]

You can argue that there is only one Airport in dublin, and that it soaks up traffic from the north and the uk.

[j636]

Greater Dublin area population of around 1.5m. That is small.

Over 1.8 million and take in another 45-60 minutes and it's well over 2.5 million. This is just FR trying to grab headlines yet again. In reality MOL or FR haven't a clue how T/A will work as they haven't looked at it in detail. 10 euro one day, 90 euro another day.

One thing is for sure he won't be able to resist not competing with EI!

[j636]

On another note EY dropping the B777 (6 flights) soon, all 332 UFN.

[racedo]

One thing is for sure he won't be able to resist not competing with EI!

Don't you mean IAG

[EI-A330-300]

Europe Airpost will begin Halifax this summer operating weekly. They will also carry passengers between Dublin and Paris. Looks like a transfer of GLA service.

13.00-13.35-Paris-Dublin-14.25-16.45-Dublin-Halifax
10.15-08.05-Halifax-Dublin-20.55-23.30-Dublin-Paris

http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/15-01-26/Europe_Airpost_Launches_Flights_Between_Dublin_And_Halifax_C anada.aspx

[EI-A330-300]

Air Canada Rouge increase YYZ from 7 to 11 weekly over the summer months. Extra fights operate between 15 June and 16 September.

YYZ-DUB
18.55-06.25 - Sun, Tue, Thu, Sat
23.10-10.40 - Daily

DUB-YYZ
09.00-11.20 - Sun, Mon, Wed, Fri
12.25-14.45 - Daily

[Una Due Tfc]

Are Transat sticking to 4 x weekly? If so that's still 22 direct weekly flights to YYZ, 4 flights on at least 1 day a week. Combine that with YYT and now YHZ, Canada seems reasonably well served in Dublin. Direct flights to YUL are a possibility in future but that could be it. Is the market in danger of becoming saturated I wonder?

[EI-BUD]

And interestingly Air Transat doing a lot of advertising on RTE for flights to Montreal and Toronto, through there own website. Are these now scheduled flights?

[EI-A330-300]

TS have being scheduled a good while. They are most likely feelong the pinch more than all carriers on YYZ. Their brand wouldn't be as well known as AC and EI.

[Una Due Tfc]

Plus they had the route to themselves for a few years. Pulling the weekly Shannon A330 stopover would indicate they are feeling it alright. If I were involved in the running of BFS I'd be banging their door down!!

[EI-A330-300]

daa and EI to host a UK roadshow in 9 cities over the next two months to promote transit traffic.

Cities confirmed so far are Manchester, Glasgow, Birmingham, Bristol (tomorrow), Cardiff and London.

Never noticed the DUB HUB system to guide passenger to departure gate. Good idea along with FR24 on the app.

http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/15-02-03/Make_Dublin_Your_Transatlantic_Hub_British_Passengers_Told.a spx

[EI-A330-300]

Just back to Air Canada, frequency increases begin from April through to September. Just under 60,000 additional seats or 77% each direction.

Air Canada rouge Boosts Dublin Frequencies for summer 2015 :: Routesonline (http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/246989/air-canada-rouge-boosts-dublin-frequencies-for-summer-2015/#.VNEaVSo-eKM.twitter)

[AerRyan]

I find it rather unusual that Dublin will have 29 (11 Air Canada, 7 Aer Lingus, 7 West Jet, 3 Air Transat, 1 Europe Airporst) weekly flights to Canada during the summer, yet the rest of Ireland (NI Inc) does not have one.

[El Bunto]

I find it rather unusual that Dublin will have 29 ... weekly flights to Canada during the summer, yet the rest of Ireland (NI Inc) does not have oneIt's a perfect example of the Hub Paradox; people from regions spend longer traveling to the dominant hub than they might actually spend on the flight.

But the new entrant airlines don't dare break from the hub, because that's where the passenger catchment is. But the catchment is only there because the airlines make it a hub...

[MCDU2]

Aer Lingus back to LA is the rumour for this summer. Currently in the process of sourcing another airframe.

[owenc]

Well they need to hurry up and launch it

[All names taken]

Does anyone know how many people fly between Dublin and GB each year?
Must be massive.

[EI-A330-300]

Does anyone know how many people fly between Dublin and GB each year?
Must be massive.

7.8 million in 2014 (8% increase) on 2013.

[All names taken]

Thanks...and wow.

So around 40% of all Dublin's passengers are ferrying between there and GB.
That's some market.
Like to think I've contributed my share too over the years :ok:

[Noxegon]

I can't say I'd choose an A330 to LA over a Dreamliner...

[brian_dromey]

9 abrest 30" pitch in Economy on the BA 787. 32" 8 abrest on the EI 330. Broadly similar IFE provision, similar catering in Y, singnificantly better in J. No backwards seats and 80% direct Isle acces.

I don't think there is an objective measure by which the 787 is a better experience than the A330.

[adfly]

I assume that was based on an Aer Lingus A330 vs an Ethiopian 787, I doubt the latter's seat pitch is as rubbish as what BA offer although the seat width argument remains. Aer Lingus are far better known so Ethiopian are in Ireland/Europe will have to offer some good fares and advertising to draw customers away if Aer Lingus do start LAX this summer.

[Noxegon]

I'll take the lower cabin altitude thanks.

[El Bunto]

I'll take the lower cabin altitude thanks.It is somewhat lower on the 787 but not hugely so. On flights longer than 2.5 hours the A330 cabin pressure is capped at 7,350 ft equivalent. The 787 is 6,500 ft.

The A330 cabin can go as high as 8,000 ft but the pressurisation controller normally reserves that for shorter flights.

[stab3.5up]

How many seats are actually available on the ET DUB LAX for sale? Very few I would suspect so up against EI they may not actually need to sell that many seats to make it work for them were as EI are selling an entire plane if you follow my drift so to speak. I also think the air freight market to n from Ethiopia for Ireland must be massive potential.

[Mlinnie]

Is it not a bit late for EI to be announcing LAX for the summer???

[Fairdealfrank]

I find it rather unusual that Dublin will have 29 (11 Air Canada, 7 Aer Lingus, 7 West Jet, 3 Air Transat, 1 Europe Airporst) weekly flights to Canada during the summer, yet the rest of Ireland (NI Inc) does not have one.


Easy one. Dublin and its surrounding area is by far the largest conurbation in Ireland containing over a third of the Republic's population. It is also the richest part of Ireland and the seat of government in what is a very centralised country. Cork, Limerick and Galway pale into insignificance in comparison, (and since you include the North, so does Belfast).

[EI-A330-300]

A decision will be made by June on a rail link. A number options were conaidered and being looked at. The following are front runners.

The DART spur between Howth-Airport/Swords with a 15 minute frequency to the city and routes such as Cork and Belfast running while the new cross city tram (opening) 2017 (Green Line) would be extended from Broombrdge and operate under ground to the airport to allow high speed.

If you ask me both will go ahead as the whole city and commuter belts would have acces and the DART will only cost 300 million. Basically Belfast-Rosslare would be connected.

[Just a spotter]

Basically Belfast-Rosslare would be connected.

They already are by rail, expect that Irish Rail have decided to not use the Phoenix Park Tunnel for passenger services. Having spoken once or twice with a former senior manager in Iarnród Éireann, they do everything they can to down play the usefulness of the tunnel as an infrastructure link in support of larger scale and "sexier" projects. There's no good reason why both options couldn't have lived side by side providing links now and more capacity later.

IMHO, just like their semi-state brethren in the DAA, the CIÉ group of company managers (Dublin Bus, Irish Rail & Bus Éireann) all show a stunning lack of imagination with regard to maximising the national economic & social infrastructure they're entrusted with.

JAS

[EI-A330-300]

That tunnel cannont be used currently bexause there is no capacity available until after 2016 when an additional 8 services per hour operate once works are done.

BTW Belfast-Rosslare wouldn't use that tunnel anyway as they operate out of Connolly!

Very limited with only two tracks between Connolly and GCD.

[Sober Lark]

No one involved with DUB was able to follow through with strategic foresight or infrastructure planning so lets stop to the fantasy of imagining we are on the cusp of being in a position to exploit the economic opportunities presented by the current situation.

[alserire]

All US bound flights pre clear in Dublin. Am I correct?

[owenc]

You southerners fail to realise that there is a world of Northern Ireland outside of Belfast..

There are areas where Dublin will never be a convenient airport of choice.

[ia350]

Southerners isn't a nice word to describe us .

[GCUFD]

You southerners fail to realise that there is a world of Northern Ireland outside of Belfast..

There are areas where Dublin will never be a convenient airport of choice.Yawn. Dubliners certainly realise a reluctance to add up figures by people who live West of a line drawn through Mullingar.

A few salient facts:
Dublin Airport passenger numbers 21 million
Belfast International passenger numbers 4 million
Belfast City passenger numbers 2.5 million
Cork Airport 2 million
Shannon Airport 1.6 million
Knock Airport 700,000
City of Derry Airport 400,000
Farranfore Airport 300,000

I'm probably leaving out somewhere, but that won't greatly impact the figures.

There's about 25 million passenger journeys in and out of airports in the Republic. Over 80% of them are through Dublin Airport.

There's about 32 million journeys in and out of airports in the whole of Ireland, if we add in the 7 million relating to Northern Ireland. Dublin Airport accounts for 65% of all island traffic. I'd suggest that means Dublin is already, overwhelmingly, the airport of choice for most people in Ireland.

[EI-A330-300]

Aer Lingus back to LA is the rumour for this summer. Currently in the process of sourcing another airframe.



Would be very surprised if they made such a "rushed" announcement. 2016 quiet possible especially if fuel prices stay kind!

All US bound flights pre clear in Dublin. Am I correct?

Indeed except ET.

[alserire]

Thanks EI-A330. Much appreciated.

[DollarBill]

Well stated GCUFD.


I wouldn't pay any heed to owenc, he has recently been banned from at least 1 other aviation forum for his derailing of threads and his mule headed distaste for the DUB centric Irish aviation sector.
"well I don't want to travel to DUB so I can't see why anyone else would? Sure you would have to be up at 3am to get there"
He also takes exception when his opinions/subjective experience aren't taken as fact by other posters.

Please note owenc, I merely stated facts as I see them rather than attack your character.

[ia350]

A 14% increase in passenger numbers for January .

[Fairdealfrank]

All US bound flights pre clear in Dublin. Am I correct?



Indeed except ET.



Any particular reason that ET does not use pre-clearance?

[EI-A330-300]

It wont be open at 05.30 but suspect hours are not the only reason. They will likely use it in the future.

[owenc]

As if i'm not going to take that as an attack pet. Your immature attack will ruin the atmosphere of the thread extensively.

REPORTED

[irish lad]

I guess the time it would take to ET to use the US facilities at Dublin will also be a factor in them not using it in the future. Unload 250 pax, put them all through the pre clearance and re load them wouldn't be a fast task I'd imagine and hope no issues arise with passengers that could delay the flight. It takes BA 40mins at Shannon to use the pre clearance facility on a 50 seater flight.

[EI-A330-300]

I guess the time it would take to ET to use the US facilities at Dublin will also be a factor in them not using it in the future. Unload 250 pax, put them all through the pre clearance and re load them wouldn't be a fast task I'd imagine and hope no issues arise with passengers that could delay the flight. It takes BA 40mins at Shannon to use the pre clearance facility on a 50 seater flight.

Adequate staffing should see it possible with a 90 minute turnaround at most 2 hours. The passengers are going to be offloaded anyway for refueling. Think the daa require passengers off but somebody else may know their policy on this.

BTW the SNN aircraft is 32.

[blaggerman]

ET stop is a 1 hour technical stop for fuel. En-route passengers will stay on board. There's nothing unusual about that. Using preclearance on westbound flights would require offloading of all passengers and baggage, adding unnecessary complexity. Some passengers will leave or join the flight, but that's incidental.

[737aviator]

Refuelling with passengers on board is normal at Dublin, nothing unusual about it.

[EI-A330-300]

Ethiopian bringing the 787 on 20 March.

[Sober Lark]

Great while DUB has this advantage at present but almost every major European airport will have US pre-clear in the near future won't they?

[Cian]

Great while DUB has this advantage at present but almost every major European airport will have US pre-clear in the near future won't they?


Not without significant rebuilding, no. It only really works when you've got a single terminal used for all US-bound traffic. Also, there's not many governments who'd be willing to sign all the required treaties with the US in the first place.

[EI-A330-300]

Great while DUB has this advantage at present but almost every major European airport will have US pre-clear in the near future won't they?

Not without significant rebuilding, no. It only really works when you've got a single terminal used for all US-bound traffic. Also, there's not many governments who'd be willing to sign all the required treaties with the US in the first place.

Incheon International announced they wouldn't operating a USPC facility on the grounds of cost, space, usage and the loss of revenue to the airport last month.

[Sober Lark]

Thanks both of you. This is what I came across - US preclearance at Stockholm Arlanda Airport - Swedavia (http://www.mynewsdesk.com/swedavia/pressreleases/us-preclearance-at-stockholm-arlanda-airport-1112626)

[owenc]

The airlines aren't going to use a mainland Europe airport as a hub when Dublin is the first stop.

[DollarBill]

The airlines aren't going to use a mainland Europe airport as a hub when Dublin is the first stop.

Tell that to the airlines who are operating from hubs allover Europe to the USA. Maybe you know something that they don't?

[owenc]

Most of those airlines are not American. Preclearance would never work in big airports anyway due to passenger volumes, it would be even worse than NYC.:sad:

[Cian]

Most of those airlines are not American. Preclearance would never work in big airports anyway due to passenger volumes, it would be even worse than NYC.


YYZ CBP handles about 8M pax a year. Not many airports in Europe have 8M pax to the US.

Airports just need to be designed to handle it. The large airports in Canada make Dublin's CBP look pathetic, with large post-clearance areas with shops, bars, waiting areas etc.

[airbourne]

Who's the mod on this forum these days? Still Pprune Pop?

[Copenhagen]

And the irony is that all the post cbp retailing in Montreal is run by dublin airports Ari team.

[Hogg]

There's a few of us, all busy with jobs/life also so best thing respectively is if you or indeed any poster has an issue report the post. It will then be reviewed in due course by the team.

[Cian]

And the irony is that all the post cbp retailing in Montreal is run by dublin airports Ari team.


Branded identically to DUB, at that.

Had as enjoyable a wait as possible for a heavily delayed United Express flight last year, I would have probably gone out of my mind in DUBs CBP "lounge".

[j636]

Branded identically to DUB, at that.

Had as enjoyable a wait as possible for a heavily delayed United Express flight last year, I would have probably gone out of my mind in DUBs CBP "lounge".

Being a while since I used it but is there space for improving the offering in future without building work or is that needed?

[Copenhagen]

The problem is that post cbp is considered U.S. territory and therefore isn't duty free anymore.

[owenc]

Well they sell Irish crisps and stuff

[El Bunto]

The problem is that post cbp is considered U.S. territoryIt's even scarier than that, as I discovered during an incident at Dublin. It's a weird limbo.

It remains host-country territory,diplomatically and legally, however:

4. Within the preclearance area, the Host Party shall:
...
(d) authorize the Inspecting Party's preclearance
officers who act on reasonable grounds to use as much
force as is necessary to perform their preclearance
duties under the Agreement. The preclearance officer
may not use force that is intended or is likely to
cause death or cause grievous bodily harm, unless the
officer believes on reasonable grounds that it is
necessary for self-preservation or the preservation of
anyone in the preclearance area from death or grievous
harm.
So basically Ireland ( or Canada or whomever ) grants US officials physical power over host-country citizens on host-country territory.

[bannercounty]

In a confined area Bunto. Stop making an issue out of it! You need to look at it in the same way as a controlled airspace.

[Cian]

So basically Ireland ( or Canada or whomever ) grants US officials physical power over host-country citizens on host-country territory.


An arrangement we could reciprocate on, if it made any sense at all. But it doesn't, as no airport in the US has the flight volume to DUB/SNN to justify it.

[EI-A330-300]

Ryanair launched winter 15 which sess Lunlin resumed while a new daily service to CPH begins (fourth carrier) now. Some increases elsewhere BCN goes 3 daily, clearly a Vueling determent as when they operated at Xmas they operated a third daily.

http://corporate.ryanair.com/news/news/150212-ryanair-launches-winter-2015-schedule/?market=ie

[brian_dromey]

Four airlines to CPH? I wonder how long that will last. It wasn't long ago that SK was the only airline on the route. What has brought on the sudden increase? Scandinavia has long been very poorly connected to Ireland. Is it a case of Norwegian trying to encroach on FR's home territory. FR really don't like that. The question is how long will the other three hang around for?

I'd be less troubled about BCN. Always a very popular destination that can probably support more flights and airlines than most. I'll be interested to see how Vueling do, its been a while since DUB had a new airline, I wonder if they will have more inbound passengers? Im sure most Irish wouldn't have a clue who that Vueling crowd are!

[EI-A330-300]

SK a long time
EI were and droped around 2008 and resumed in 2013
DY began in 2009
FR begin 2015

EI will likely drop and not sure if DY will because of the Long hail arm.

[EI-BUD]

There is a history of EI starting and stopping the CPH route, hopefully this time they will hold on. I hope that the US connectivity will render the route sustainable.

I suspect SK and DY will exit sooner than EI and FR. EI will hold out, if their approach is to exit in the face of extremely low fares like the 60c I've just paid for return, they may as well take that approach across their network and so routes like DUB BRU would be canned too. I can't see that happening.

EI are quite resilient, time has shown that.

[EI-A330-300]

EI offer no connections. DY may keep it to show the US they are not just taking advantage of AOC.

SK got rid of EI and FR off Stockholm so don't under estimate them within 12 months, first FR and then EI.

[EI-A330-300]

Just going back to the B787 coming on the 20 March, it will be from Heathorw and when the CEO announced the visit he also said a decision on USPC had not being taken yet.

[EI-A330-300]

Aer Lingus announced that ORD will increase from 7 to 10 weekly during November and December and operated by 752's on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays however at busy times during the period A330 has being scheduled.

[Una Due Tfc]

I notice on the interactive map of destinations served from DUB, Austin and Dallas show up.....um, no?

http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/flight-information/destinations-airlines.aspx

Also are TSC going direct to YUL again?

[Dontgothere]

I agree with Una on the doubts over AUS etc., I think they've gotten things a bit mixed up, I checked it out and 17h38m flight duration is a touch long for a 'direct' flight.

[Noxegon]

At least it's a touch more accurate than TheAirDB...

Dublin (DUB) - Airport details (http://www.theairdb.com/airport/DUB.html)

[blaggerman]

I notice on the interactive map of destinations served from DUB, Austin and Dallas show up.....um, no?

http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/fli...-airlines.aspx

Also are TSC going direct to YUL again?It's the usual deceptive nonsense from the US carriers where they use international flight numbers on domestics. They sell it as a direct flight (not non-stop), even though there's a change of plane at the stopover, but for example DL177 appears in the GDS as DUB-ATL-DFW.

[EI-A330-300]

Swiss to commence 4 weekly service to Geneva (EI operate 7/8 weekly). Flights commence 26 June with A319.

GVA-DUB 06.10-07.20
DUB-GVA 08.00-11.15

As reported elsewhere 12 weekly BE service to Cardiff and EI return with 5 weekly DSA service.

QR could be set to finally announce a service this year to!

[EI-A330-300]

daa have commenced work to create an additional 10 stands (100 currently) and 3 taxing lanes to reduce congestion. Operational by April 2016.

Dublin Airport taking off with a ?20m expansion - Independent.ie (http://m.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-news/dublin-airport-taking-off-with-a-20m-expansion-31050957.html)

[Just a spotter]

I noticed some excavation towards the north of the airfield during the week, around the currently closed runway 29.

I wonder if that's part of this development will it later be taken out (just as the short lived and expensive "C Pier" was to make way for Terminal 2) when runway 28R is built over the existing Rwy 29.

JAS

[EI-A330-300]

Almost 1.5 million passengers in Feb up 17%, first two months of year over 2.9 million up 15% (over 400k)!

Latest News > Almost 1.5 Million Passengers At Dublin Airport In February (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/15-03-11/Almost_1_5_Million_Passengers_At_Dublin_Airport_In_February. aspx)

[ia350]

Fantastic figures . Will we see any more new routes announced ? I'll say we'll be looking at 23M+ this year .

[Jamie2k9]

I noticed some excavation towards the north of the airfield during the week, around the currently closed runway 29.

I wonder if that's part of this development will it later be taken out (just as the short lived and expensive "C Pier" was to make way for Terminal 2) when runway 28R is built over the existing Rwy 29.

JAS

No impact, believe 5G stands were planned when runway plans were drawn up.

[Jamie2k9]

Ethiopian will operate from T1 rather than T2 when service commences.

Finnair also this week announced HEL will be extended year round and operate 3 weekly during winter 15/16.

ACL also released summer 2015 stats which show capacity up 11%!

http://www.acl-uk.org/UserFiles/File/DUB%20S15%20SoS.pdf

[Sober Lark]

Dubai Airports who owns and manages Dubai International DXB has made an approach to DAA Plc to purchase the IATA 3 letter code DUB for an undisclosed sum. Apparently they intend using DUB as the airport code for Dubai.

[EI-A330-300]

2 FR aircraft clipped one another again today, last happened in October.

Ryanair planes clip each other at Dublin Airport - RTÉ News (http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0401/691273-ryanair-dublin-airport/)

[EINNMAN]

I believe the offer is exactly €100 million, apparently a nod to the 100th anniversary of the 1916 rising which is the year the change would become effective. A lot of dosh for the letter "U".

[Una Due Tfc]

That's about a third of the total cost of a parallel runway........Dooooooo it :}

[waffler]

Notice the date gents !

[Una Due Tfc]

Notice the date gents !

Ah very nice. I really need to buy a calendar.

[ia350]

Aer lingus just departed for Reykjavik , just a charter ?

[AerRyan]

I know its an April Fools Joke, but if Dubai did get the DUB code, what would Dublin use?

[chuboy]

A different combination of three letters that isn't already allocated to an airport :rolleyes:

[El Bunto]

I know its an April Fools Joke, but if Dubai did get the DUB code, what would Dublin use?

EIDW, just like they do today :)

All airline reservation systems can handle the ICAO codes. Time to discontinue the silly IATA codes and end confusion and baggage misrouting.

[AerRyan]

EIDW, just like they do today :)

All airline reservation systems can handle the ICAO codes. Time to discontinue the silly IATA codes and end confusion and baggage misrouting.

Why, I much prefer IATA codes, they front have that silly E on front of them. For anyone that's not a pilot, chances are they are about 20 times more likely to know the IATA code for an airport. I know only EINN and EIDW, after that I haven't a clue about any others.

[EI-A330-300]

AA drop 763 plans for JFK, since beginning the route it hasn't performed at all. Guess EI's new morning departure hasn't helped them combined with DL and EI overall product, surprised they get any passengers at all. Bargain basement route of all operations to NY! Still really strange that CLT gets A332 from a 752 a year ago. Many expected it was only in schedules temperately.

If they are not careful UA may cause big damage to their ORD operation...

Then again AA will most likely exit JFK if EI become part of IAG.

[Una Due Tfc]

AA were flip flopping between between B752 and B763 last week, couldn't figure out why initially. DL were also switching between B763 and B764, any ideas which of those is scheduled for the summer?

The only people who seem to use AA on JFK or ORD are people from the UK using their avios.

[EI-A330-300]

AA were flip flopping between between B752 and B763 last week, couldn't figure out why initially. DL were also switching between B763 and B764, any ideas which of those is scheduled for the summer?

DL is 763 for most of the summer as aircraft route ATL-DUB-JFK and JFK-DUB-ATL. 764 scheduled for winter and was to increase capacity to JFK after they decided to close ATL in November/December. If I am correct it was a very short notice decision something about their B744's being withdrawn earlier than planned. 764 currently showing for this coming winter again.

AA 763 was for a brief period during peak season.

[Una Due Tfc]

Thanks EI. I was suprised to see the AA 763 on JFK last weekend, and the DL 764 did run the same day as ATL once or twice. Obviously just an anomaly

[Una Due Tfc]

DL used B764 to JFK today as well as the 763 to ATL. Wonder when that'll change.

[Fairdealfrank]

I know its an April Fools Joke, but if Dubai did get the DUB code, what would Dublin use?


DXB?



Then again AA will most likely exit JFK if EI become part of IAG.


Because?

[EI-A330-300]

DL used B764 to JFK today as well as the 763 to ATL. Wonder when that'll change.

Had a look and they have scheduled a mix of 752, 763 and 764's over the next while before a 752 for around a week and then 763 again. ATL see's a mix of 763/4's also until late May when both 763 swap duties in DUB for a few months peak summer. DL normally use 752's for April, September and October and 767's at other times. Little odd 752s are required during the summer and not for winter.

Because?

Because they will have elsewhere to put the aircraft, they suspended last winter and can just about make 752 work in summer. Starting DUB was somewhere to replace the aircraft from BRU.

[Una Due Tfc]

I guess the 752 is used in the quieter parts of the summer and larger aircraft in winter when they only have 3 NYC flights a day to compete with as opposed to 6 in the summer, plus larger aircraft on PHL.

The DL B764s are used on LHR etc so I'm guessing their cabins are amongst the nicer ones they have. The 763s they used on ATL in the winter tended to have older cabins, no ptvs etc.

[EI-A330-300]

The DL B764s are used on LHR etc so I'm guessing their cabins are amongst the nicer ones they have. The 763s they used on ATL in the winter tended to have older cabins, no ptvs etc.

Believe the only difference is capacity.

B764 - 40/206 - 246
B763 - 26/200 - 226 & 36/172 - 208 (Majority have capacity for 208)

[carsonEGAD]

Read on another forum that LX operated an A330 into DUB this morning, any ideas as to why? Would've loved to have seen it!

[EI-A330-300]

Read on another forum that LX operated an A330 into DUB this morning, any ideas as to why? Would've loved to have seen it!

High demand which exceeded A321 which is normally scheduled.

[Skipness One Echo]

The B763s to LHR are refurbished with lie flat beds the same as the B764s. They have the first three cabin windows blanked.
I know only EINN and EIDW, after that I haven't a clue about any others.
Easy to learn, that's what google's for, ICAO codes are also descriptive so OMDB is clearly not in the same country as EIDW.

[chuboy]

Easy to learn, that's what google's for, ICAO codes are also descriptive so OMDB is clearly not in the same country as EIDW.

Sort of. If you see enough of them then the pattern becomes self-evident, but I wouldn't say they are descriptive beyond telling you that two different airports are in different, regionally arbitrary jurisdictions. IATA codes are better in some ways but worse in others.

Frankly I think technology will eliminate the need to even have codes printed on bag tags to read before we come up with a way to get people to remember codes properly :}

[Una Due Tfc]

Both are used for far more important things than baggage

[chuboy]

*shrug*

ICAO codes perhaps. IATA codes are pretty much redundant. But this was never on-topic to start with.

[Fairdealfrank]

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ICAO codes perhaps. IATA codes are pretty much redundant. But this was never on-topic to start with.
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Why are IATA codes "pretty much redundant"? Doesn't appear to have made the news.....

[Jamie2k9]

March traffic up 19% to over 1.8 million.

Europe - 858,000 up 21%
UK - 760,000 up 17%
Transatlantic - 131,000 up 8%
UAE/Africa - 63,000 up 45%
Domestic - 6,000 up 52%

Over 4.7 million year to date, up 17% (678,000).

Latest News > Over 1.8 Million Passengers In March At Dublin Airport (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/15-04-09/Over_1_8_Million_Passengers_In_March_At_Dublin_Airport.aspx)

2015 should reach around 23 million if not higher!

[AerRyan]

Rumours of Ryanair getting very annoyed at the high charges at Dublin are are even considering cutting half of the operations and moving them between Cork and Shannon.

[Jamie2k9]

Rumours of Ryanair getting very annoyed at the high charges at Dublin are are even considering cutting half of the operations and moving them between Cork and Shannon.

April fools was two weeks ago, the more FR bring at DUB the cheaper...combined that charges are to drop 19% over the coming 4 years!

[Una Due Tfc]

UAE up 45%???!!! That evening Dubai flight must be starting to fill up so?

[Fairdealfrank]

Rumours of Ryanair getting very annoyed at the high charges at Dublin are are even considering cutting half of the operations and moving them between Cork and Shannon.


Another flock of pigs flying past.

[840]

Other than a few years of route commencement discount, I'm not sure how moving a route to Cork would punish the DAA.

[Jamie2k9]

As Flybe's exit from LCY, BA to add a sixth daily from 1 June which will operate for 1 month before resuming full time from 1 September. Monday-Friday only.

[EI-A330-300]

Ethiopian have applied to transfer all Rome fuel stops to DUB and operations could commence by 10 May next month.

[Noxegon]

Washington DC and Toronto?

One wonders if they'll be given fifth freedom rights on those too. Their times for LAX are great IMHO – it'd be good to have more choice.

[owenc]

I don't see any fuel stops in Rome airport.