DUBLIN - 2

[delta154]

The airline has a significant backlog of 777s on order

DUB will deffinatly see the B77W before time.

I have a feeling the A343 is a stop gap between the A332 retirement a 3 class B77W being available, and also due the fact an increase of 60 daily seats is a minimal increase by EK standards.

As a rough guess Id expect daily B77W in mid 2013, possibly 2nd daily by the close of 2013.

[brian_dromey]

Good to see added capacity from EK, before the first flight has even taken off. Just as an FYI, the seating capacity of the 3 class EK fleet is :

A332 F12 J42 Y183
A343 F12 J42 Y213
A345 F12 J42 Y204

772 F12 J42 Y236
773 F18 J42 Y320
77W F12 J42 Y304

So the 343 is a nice upgrade, the 777-200ER is likely to be the next step up. I presume the 777 fleet is fairly well spoken for at the minute, but as more 380s and 77Ws come on-line DUB will see larger aircraft.

[Jamie2k9]

Great news from EY and EK, all there A340's due to leave there fleet by March 2013 according to another site.

When EK announced the route they expected it to be 2 or 3 years before a B777 would be seen on the route and summer 2013 is looking most lightly at this stage.

SU next summer is suposed to be a done deal, just waiting for it to be announced any time now.

[j636]

EY seem to be very comitted to there DUB route EK don't seem to be having any affect on them. Only last week they reported there strongest ever bookings.

Also how much more space will the A340 take up on Pier E? 2 if not 3 stands?

[DannyKelly22]

if its parked at the top gate, which EI normally use for the EI105 to JFK then it shouldn't take up more than 2 gates. which is the norm of the A333

[INLAK]

Just as an FYI, the seating capacity of the 3 class EK fleet is :

A332 F12 J42 Y183
A343 F12 J42 Y213
A345 F12 J42 Y204

772 F12 J42 Y236
773 F18 J42 Y320
77W F12 J42 Y304



Those figures aren't quite right. The seating capacity varies a lot depending on the aircraft. No 773's have 18F. Old style F has 12, the ones with suites 8. Same for 77W.

[Sober Lark]

Emirates haven't even got a lounge yet in DUB for their business and first class customers. Now they talking about using an A340 or 777. Its really short lived hype and I'm sorry I booked with them but in April I'll be on a 332.

On 22/11/2011 DAA said:

"Other international passenger traffic, which includes flights to the Middle East, decreased by 18%; almost 22,000 passengers travelling this route sector in October"

Anyone explain how one carrier achieved the above and how we read here a second carrier who hasn't even started yet is already talking about moving up from an A332 to an A340 and up again to a 777? Come on lads!

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Stockholm and Verona added by Aer Lingus as well as increased flights which were posted a on here a while back.

On 22/11/2011 DAA said:

"Other international passenger traffic, which includes flights to the Middle East, decreased by 18%; almost 22,000 passengers travelling this route sector in October"

Anyone explain how one carrier achieved the above and how we read here a second carrier who hasn't even started yet is already talking about moving up from an A332 to an A340 and up again to a 777? Come on lads!

No SSH flights, No AGA charted flights and No NBE chartered flights, reduced EI flights to AGA and not as many charters to TLV.

EK are getting rid of most of there A330 this year and the A340 by March 2013, so they don't have much choise other than a B777 on the route, there not going to use there A380 that for sure.

[delta154]

No AGA charted flights and No NBE chartered flights, reduced EI flights to AGA

Given NBE is nearly as far west as CDG, and AGA even further west, can these technically be counted as 'middle east?'

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Dublin Airport counts it as:
"Other international passenger traffic, which includes flights to the Midde East"

[delta154]

I see, thanks

[Sober Lark]

'other international' is North Africa charter (I assume SSH, AGA, NGE) and EY.

In October, EY would have run 90 flights into and out of DUB using a 332. Each flight could have a max of 22 business and 240 economy. If EY had a 100% load factor then they alone would have carried 23,580 pax on their 90 flights.

However, only a total of a little under 22,000 was carried by EY + 'other internationals' in Oct 2011

A decrease of 18% means last year in Oct 2010, 'other international' carried 25,960.

Anyone know what 'other international' flights ran this Oct? Figures seem to suggest EY are carrying less even before route competition with Emirates start? (so an EK A340 or a 777 seems pie in the sky)

[MAN777]

Dublin EK & EY flights are not about point to point, they are in the main about feeding their huge hub operation to all points North, East, South and West.

They will entice PAX from the traditional Euro hub airports over to theirs.

So the losers will be LH, KLM, BA and partners.

Dont discount their ability to fill aircraft, they will have done their sums. MAN now supports 7 flights a day to the ME hubs.

[EI-A330-300]

Other International Traffic:
October 2011 - 22,000
October 2010 - 27,000

According to DAA. I sure someone in the know could say the exact seat loss on the routes above, until this happons you can't comment on EY frigures but as far as I know EY LF factor in the 80's. Jamie2k9 would be best for exact seat loss.

Would also point out there was NO Aer Lingus flights to Agadir during October, not starting until 24 December and at a reduced level over last winter.

It will also be next summer before flights to Africa recover.

[Jamie2k9]

7728 seats were lost for October compared to October 2010. The first full month of recovered traffic to Aftica will be June 2012, a slight recovery before this date though.

[EI-A330-300]

Emirates the talk of the town in Dublin | Emirates | About Emirates | News (http://www.emirates.com/ie/english/about/news/news_detail.aspx?article=753200&offset=0)

Impressive picture of what they done with the Convention Centre

[Sober Lark]

EI, thanks for the link and reading it I like when they say "We can see unusually high demand for the first two weeks after launch."

No wonder they are already thinking of utilising larger aircraft. (ahem)

[stab3.5up]

The ssh flights start again next thurs. amc egypt with 738 a/c

[EI-A330-300]

CO website says that Air Canada will be operating YYZ next winter. CO offering connections to EWR. Nothing on AC webiste. A mistake but I heard that AC planned to operate this winter but in the end they didn't.

[Jamie2k9]

They had planned to operate 2 or 3 weekly this winter but didn't in the end. After looking at the CO website its showing the current winter schedule for Nov 2012 which is most lightly why it is listed there.

Bmi LHR morning flight for next summer has being moved to 07.45 ex DUB.

[Jamie2k9]

Over 1.2 million passengers in November down 3%. Year to date 17.5 million up 1% but would be 3% not including Domestic traffic.

UK 550,000 down 5%
Europe 580,000 level on Nov 10
Transatlantic 104,000 down 1%
Other international including MIddle East 20,000 up 11%
Domestic 4,000 down 80%

Latest News > 1.2 Million Passengers In November At Dublin Airport (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/11-12-20/1_2_Million_Passengers_In_November_At_Dublin_Airport.aspx)

Between 21 December-3 January over 620,000 seats available form Dublin up 10% on last Christmas period. The snow is not a factor as the DAA would of had the passenger data some time before the snow fell.

Latest News > Christmas At Dublin Airport (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/11-12-20/Christmas_At_Dublin_Airport.aspx)

[stab3.5up]

The domestic numbers are hardly a surprise. Any one any ideas how next summer is shaping up yet excluding fr and ei. Charter traffic this summer was very poor and with no mon next summer myst now be at an all time low. Any reliable stats anywere regarding charter pax figs year on year or by destination. I think that would make a very good guage as to how the economy is doing.

[Aerlingus231]

Dublin Airport due 620,000 holiday travellers - RT News (http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1221/airport.html)

[EI-A330-300]

Just to confirm US airways are operating a morning flight from PHL. Will arrive at 20.05 tomorrow and depart on 26 December at 09.30. All other US carriers including EI will operate the normal schedule on 25 December with flights arriving on 26 December.

[stab3.5up]

And the point is?

[Noxegon]

Not sure what the point may be, but I for one would be a regular user of a morning transatlantic departure from the USA...

[EI-BUD]

I see on Dublin Airport website 2 entries of interest;

Arrivals 23December RE567 origin Waterford, this is the Manchester flight number, any idea why this appeared on Dublin airport arrivals?

Departures 24December EI991 destination Ireland West Knock- this is the LGW Knock flight number, any idea why it appeared in Dublin? Did it divert or what was the store with that?

Merry Christmas to one and all on the forum!!

EI-BUD

[EI-A330-300]

The point was that you said the US airways stopover was not confirmed and that other US carriers had no decided what they are doing for 25 Dec.

EI-BUD

RE flight diverted and departed a short time lather. Not sure why.

The NOC departure was a replacement aircraft sent to NOC to operate NOC-LGW as the LGW aircraft went tech and positioned to DUB at 20.00 after being repaired.

[stab3.5up]

Oh rite i see. Would a nite stop transatlantic flight in dub be any use or work. I have no idea wot time that wud be leaving the us but may be an idwa worth looking at to boost pax figures.

[EI-A330-300]

EK A340-300 will only operate DXB from 29 October 2012 until 31 Jan 2013. EK have indicated a new aircraft on the route from 1 Feb 2013 as the A340 are leaving fleet. Its got to be a B777.

Reported on two other sites.

[akerosid]

Most likely a 777, but could be an A340-500.

[stab3.5up]

Relax guys its only an aiplane!! a340 777 wot does it matter. the fact is that it is supported as a route and lasts. who cares what type operates.
just take a deep breath...hold... Exhale....and relax.

[dublinaviator]

Relax guys its only an aiplane!! a340 777 wot does it matter. the fact is that it is supported as a route and lasts. who cares what type operates.
just take a deep breath...hold... Exhale....and relax.

It matters because it shows they're expanding capacity on the route before its even started.

If you're not interested in knowing the aircraft type on a particular route, fine, but other people are. This is an aviation forum after all.

[Jack1985]

It matters because it shows they're expanding capacity on the route before its even started.

exactly. Seeing larger aircraft at DUB is what most people on this forum would like.

[stab3.5up]

Not entirely tru as each airframe can have a different internal config therefore it is not a given that a 777 in all cases has more sests than an a340. indeed some of the fleet the diffrence is less than a dozen seats.

Indeed i would suggest that we are looking on the wrong deck so too speak i think that it is that the 777 offers more pallet space on the lower deck may have more to to with itpn tbe route rather than passenger capacity.

And as i statedt the main thing is that it is supported.

Oh and just to add i have heard that Omanair is talking to the daa also

And any updates on su?

[mutt]

Can I ask what gob****e built a multi story airport car park with only 2 elevators and then had the audacity to suggest that people use the stairs :):)

Mutt

[dublinaviator]

Not entirely tru as each airframe can have a different internal config therefore it is not a given that a 777 in all cases has more sests than an a340. indeed some of the fleet the diffrence is less than a dozen seats.

The route is starting with an A330-200, which has less seats than an A340-300 (which is the aircraft being used from October 2012), hence the capacity increase. The reason the 777 came up was because Emirates are retiring their fleet of A340-300s from 2013, and so will have to use a 777 on the route, if not an A340-500.

Indeed i would suggest that we are looking on the wrong deck so too speak i think that it is that the 777 offers more pallet space on the lower deck may have more to to with itpn tbe route rather than passenger capacity.

See above.

And as i statedt the main thing is that it is supported.

Look if you want to praise the DAA for supporting the route, send them an e-mail, but this is an aviation forum where people can talk about the specifics of a route such as timings, aircraft, ground handlers etc.

[stab3.5up]

When i say supported i mean by the good folks of ireland and not the daa in respect that people support the route rather than going via lhr fra etc.

it dont matter what is planned a/c wise if they dont get bums on seats at the right profit margin.

[blaggerman]

who cares what type operates.Passengers care when they get on board, even though they don't know the type of plane. EK A330/A340 seats and IFE are pretty poor in all classes compared with a 777. Even the old pink recliner business seats still on some 777s out of the UK regions are better than the A330 seats. They have to sell the seats lower price, especially in premium classes because the product is just not up to it. Of course, the 10-across economy seating on the 777 is not to everyone's liking either!

[stab3.5up]

Any update on aeroflot

[Jamie2k9]

Reports TAP will restart LIS on another site. DUB along with another route that they dropped in the past.

The last time TAP were here there flights didn't last to long.

[delta154]

Reports TAP will restart LIS on another site. DUB along with another route that they dropped in the past.

The last time TAP were here there flights didn't last to long.

Wouldn't surprise me if DUB was added. They added quite a few Euro routes last year, and have stated they will add more this year. TRN and BER have already been added for this year, so, Im estimating a 4-5 weekly flight on F100 or A319 equipment.

Any word on aeroflot

S7 have decreased DUB to 1 weekly in the summer, so maybe a sign that something is in the offing?....

[stab3.5up]

They used to operate the a340 from fao to dub but i would guess that the lis flights would be to tap into the south american market as that is where most of the ib traffic via mad are heading.

ei wont like tap moving in on lis route.

Would the route sustain two carriers. The tap mite if it was fao-lis-dub or even lis-opo-dub.

great news if it happens

[EI-A330-300]

It will cerently be intresting if TAP do come back...IB wont be to happy if TAP take some traffic to South America traffic away from MAD.

S7 have decreased DUB to 1 weekly in the summer, so maybe a sign that something is in the offing?....

I think they always release it one weekly and then add the second weekly.

Summer 2011 Load Factors:
June - 72%**
July - 83%
August - 91%
September - 96%

**June a little lower because the flirst flight from DUB would most lighlty be empty. Can't see it being a populor route with Irish people. Taking this into account the LF would be 80%.

Passengers on the route this last summer were up on summer 2010.

[delta154]

It will cerently be intresting if TAP do come back...IB wont be to happy if TAP take some traffic to South America traffic away from MAD.

Im sure they will do fine. They do serve some different points to each other in South America as well as the usual suspects.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

airline routes have tweeted:


Emirates has shelved the plan to operate Airbus A340-300 to Dublin from 28OCT12



But the EK site still showing the A340.

[delta154]

But the EK site still showing the A340.

airlineroute usually hot on the press for some route info, so it could be that the info is only just beginning to be cascaded through the GDS systems.

However, it could be that the route will go straight to a B777-300ER, even if that upgrade happens slightly later than planned, as the increase from A332 to A343 is tiny by Emirates standards.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

S7 have decreased DUB to 1 weekly in the summer, so maybe a sign that something is in the offing?....

Don't rule s7 out. Every single year they put 1 weekly on sale and then add the second. Have bieng told that they have recived a third slot to use and with the LF above I wouldn't be suprised if they used it. Just hope the yeild on the route is as good as the LF.

[EI-A330-300]

A B787 is expected to visit DUB lather this month for the 14th Annual International Aviation Finance Conference from Jan 24-26.

[orsisi]

hello, if anyone knows a cheap room or couch available from 5th February till 17th March, could you pls write me a message? I will have my training at Dublin airport that time, and I would really appreciate if you could help me.
many thanks!!!

[waffler]

If you are starting your training as Ryanair cabin crew then this is how you save money : dont even start. To quote Mr o leary " cabin crew are like lemons, squeeze them dry then get another one. "
I have seen the contract that they sign after they finish training, they own you.
Have some respect for yourself, get another job where your company respect you.

[Jack1985]

hello, if anyone knows a cheap room or couch available from 5th February till 17th March, could you pls write me a message? I will have my training at Dublin airport that time, and I would really appreciate if you could help me.
many thanks!!!

take a look at this website Dublin Serviced Apartments, Dublin Holiday Accommodation - stayDublin (http://www.staydublin.com/) it offers very good apartment accommodation at reasonable prices. Certainly challenging working as Cabin Crew for Europe's biggest loco but if you love aviation like myself, you will love working for Ryanair too. :)

[Jamie2k9]

Adria Airways have cancelled there DUB flights for summer 2012 along with 5 other European cities.

[stab3.5up]

Not a big surprise as most pax crystal holidays clients. was more of a charter operation rather than scheduled really but still a loss.

[racedo]

To quote Mr o leary " cabin crew are like lemons, squeeze them dry then get another one. "

Could you be so kind to reference that quote from an august publication please.

[orsisi]

these are beautiful, but not so cheap..
I go on looking for budget rooms for rent near the airport in Dublin, if anyone knows someone, who has a free room, pls let me know!

[EuroWings]

I was wondering if anyone with a good knowledge of Dublin Airport's layout could help me.

I've booked a flight to the USA on Aer Lingus and my first sector is operated by Aer Lingus Regional (Aer Arann) from Blackpool transferring to an Aer Lingus flight to New York JFK (it doesn't use US customs).

My connection time is 1h40m and I understand that EI Regional arrives into T1 and EI mainline leaves from T2, does anyone know what the inter-terminal connection is like?

DAA doesn't seem to have any info for these circumstances. It seems a bit of an inconvenience, but there you go.

[EI-A330-300]

Dublin Airport - Aer Lingus (http://www.aerlingus.com/travelinformation/knowbeforeyoufly/dublinairport/#con)

Full detail for connecting flights with EI but just follow signs for flight connections and T2. If having trouble just ask a worker.

[EuroWings]

Oh I see, the two terminals are linked airside, so it's a case of just walking between the two following the sign for flight connections in T1. That's all I wanted to know. Thanks.

[EI-A330-300]

Iberia flights to Madrid only bookable until 31 May, Are they pulling out, would be very suprised if they did.

[OltonPete]

EI-A330-300

One GDS available to Joe Public certainly shows nothing from the first week
in June, so it does not look good.

Possible route for the new Iberia Express? I assume tickets would not be sold
through GDS and IB seem to have big plans for them eventually.

They seem to be in axing mood.

IBERIA Cuts 3 European Routes from Madrid late-Jan 2012 | Airline Route (http://airlineroute.net/2011/12/28/ib-jan12cxld/)

Also believed to be a slight reduction in seats from Manchester as well although not huge in the grand scheme of things.

Pete

[Jamie2k9]

IB will not be leaving. Its just schedule changes between 31 May-11 Oct. Flights bookable except for the above period. Will post if anything different appears from the last post about IB 2012 plans for DUB a few pages back.

[akerosid]

Emirates' inaugural flight to DUB is now en route; dep. at 06.58. Current ETA in DUB, as per Emirates flight status page, is 11.20.

Flight Status | Emirates Online Booking and Planning | Emirates (http://www.emirates.com/english/plan_book/flight_status/flightstatus_results.aspx?FlightNumber=161&DateSelected=120109&FlightStatusOption=2&searchType=Status&h=ba1e345ae544cfc8296f7fbdad48a7565b4ef78)

The flight/aircraft isn't showing on Flightradar24 at the moment, but it will look remarkably like this:

JetPhotos.Net Photo » A6-EKR (CN: 251) Emirates Airbus A330-243 by John Fitzpatrick (http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=7252477&nseq=3)

[Charlie Roy]

And Emirates have a wallpaper advertisement on the RTE website's homepage today. Very nice. RTÉ Ireland's National Television and Radio Broadcaster (http://www.rte.ie)

[NorthernCounties]

Aircraft is A6-EAG, currently just south of Poland.

Photo Search Results | Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=A6-EAG&sort_order=photo_id+desc&page=1&page_limit=15&sid=1831dedd16a9ba204b2f641716e34d08)

[akerosid]

EK 161 arrived safely at 11.19.

Aircraft was indeed 'EAG: JetPhotos.Net Photo » A6-EAG (CN: 396) Emirates Airbus A330-243 by John Fitzpatrick (http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=7251898&nseq=5)

Fingers crossed it'll be a huge success! EK certainly have put a lot of effort into it.

It will be interesting to see how EY reacts to this!

Here;s a report from Breakingnews.ie: Dublin-Dubai air link launched | BreakingNews.ie (http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/dublin-dubai-air-link-launched-535193.html)

[Seljuk22]

Ireland has a population of around 4.5 million. Around 5,000 Irish nationals live in the UAE and approximately 80,000 in Australia, which is a key market. More than 70 passengers on the 237-seat inaugural flight came from bookings in Australia.

gulfnews : Emirates launches flights to Dublin (http://gulfnews.com/business/aviation/emirates-launches-flights-to-dublin-1.963613)

[DollarBill]

Have been told that they will be carrying a lot of cargo that previously went via MAN (with EI) so that extra revenue stream will allow them to offer nice fares to entice pax from EY (or indeed going via LHR)

[akerosid]

They're already talking (TC hinted) at a larger acft type, possibly 777s; CPH only started last year and they're already getting 777s quite regularly.

I'm not surprised that cargo will be big business; hopefully EK (or even EY) will bring all-cargo acft to DUB at some stage.

[stab3.5up]

I believe that the daa had actually thought that ek were to start an all cargo service before a passenger service so i would not be surprised to see an all cargo service to complement the passenger flights.

[Jamie2k9]

From talking to a friend who is a pilot for EK he says that forwaord bookings in J and E are very strong and he says the route should see a B77W from October this year. He is almost certain of it. He said DUB is up there, if not more bookings with the likes of (MAD, PRG, CPH routes) before they got a 777.

EK CEO Tim Clark said today:

We are looking at a route that could turn the corner within the next six months. It's a very good story & Dublin will get 777 for new Dublin-Dubai service. It could be "sooner rather than later".& First indications are of very strong passenger demand and very strong cargo demand for Dublin route

EK will also open a lounge within 9-12 months. Ongoing talks with the DAA. Where will it be? There is no room where the EI and EY are located.

[Noxegon]

I've been wondering whether there's room for a lounge on the far side of US preclearance. That does seem like a missed opportunity for someone...

[cheers&beers]

Some more images of the inagural Emirates flight to Dublin from the 9th January can be found here: Emirates Inagural DXB-DUB Flight - a set on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/elevationair/sets/72157628801043505/)

[DollarBill]

@Noxegon:

EK (or anyone) can't have a lounge past US CBP.
Everything past it is considered US soil.

In my opinion that is a lot of wasted space once all the T/A flights have departed.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Why AI’s health is causing concern in faraway Dublin - Indian Express (http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Why-AI-s-health-is-causing-concern-in-faraway-Dublin/898289/)

“We found Indian officials at the Aviation Ministry and Airport Authority very friendly. But we have been told to wait as the government there is busy tackling problems that Air India is facing. I believe that is the only major hindrance we are facing right now which is causing the delay in opening a direct route,”

[Noxegon]

EK (or anyone) can't have a lounge past US CBP.
Everything past it is considered US soil.

Er, what?

There's clearly an issue with EK putting its lounge down there, but what precisely is the problem with an international lounge to be shared by the various airlines going to the United States?

At the moment the lounge in DUB is effectively pointless if you're flying transatlantic given that you're supposed to go through pre-clearance with plenty of time to spare.

[stab3.5up]

Please not more on ai. i thought that had all been put to bed last year. wikki on the dub airport entry is showing strategic airlines operating to lca next summer and ux to pmi as well. sadly as charters but all good. anyone else any nuggets of info to add that they heard from a reliable source from a guy who works with a fella who heard from his mate who knows someone who works at the airport so it must be tru!

[thebig C]

Seems like EK are doing very well, although time will tell once the publicity has died down. It will also be interesting to see how EY react given that they have really made the Far Eastern routes their own out of Dublin. Given that they have stayed the course longer then both Gulf and EI I can't see them rolling over too easily.

With all the new connections to Pakistan, India and China this will surely put a stop to direct routes from those locations?! We all know about the Air India saga (and they have greater problems atm), likewise PIA came very close to operating to Dublin (A310) and Hainan were strongly rumoured to be considering Dublin. Anybody heard anything about these lately?

All in all it only leaves Africa and Latin America which are relatively poorly located from Dublin (excluding connections in the UK or continental Europe). SAA were perenially supposed to be on the verge of Dunin Capetown and there have been wispers about various Nigerian carriers (thought politically this could be problematic:p). In the long run there is probably enough demand for one of those routes. Furthermore, given the expat community of Brazilians as well as strong tourist demand I am surprised that a route to Rio has not been looked at aparently.

C

[stab3.5up]

Arik air had been mentioned as a possible carrier too Dub. i think they operate 738 to Lhr so may actually be possible from dub.

A carrier operating to China i woukd suggest is a no brainer for the daa but this is the daa we are talking about.

The south american traffic opersting via mad and lhr would also suggest that rio may indeed be another market to tap into.

[Jamie2k9]

Thomson Airways - ACE, PMI ,SSH, CFU, BOJ, LPA, AGP, LCA -New FAO (PMI reduced)

Air Contractors/Europe Airpost - NAP, VRN, PMI, SZG, HER, DBK, ACE-New ZTH (replace Monarch), New DLM (replace Pegasus)

Bulgaria Air - New BOJ (replace Air Contractors)

BH Air - BDJ via ORK (cancelled-seats on EI flights being used)

Germania - New AGP (replace Europe Airpost), FAO, MAH (replace Monarch)

Holidays Czech Airlines - HER, PMI ,ZTH, REU (not confirmed if returning)

Jet4You - AGA (will operate all summer this year-cancelled late May 2010)

Onur Air - AYT, BJV, ADB, (extra BJX replace Sky Airlines)

Iberworld Airlines - ACE, FAO, LPA, IBZ, PMI, REU* (replace Monarch), REU* (replace Spanair)
*2 weekly flights)

Tailwind Airlines - ADB

Travel Service - ACE (cancelled)

Tunisair - NBE

Strategic Airlines/Air Australia - New LCA (replace Holidays Czech Airlines)

Aer Europa will pop up at DUB a few times in May before some of the above start operations.

I'm sure we will see further changes before the summer. There is a reduction mainly from Thomas Cook.

[Cyrano]

Arik air had been mentioned as a possible carrier too Dub. i think they operate 738 to Lhr so may actually be possible from dub.

A carrier operating to China i woukd suggest is a no brainer for the daa but this is the daa we are talking about.

The south american traffic opersting via mad and lhr would also suggest that rio may indeed be another market to tap into.

Ireland has no bilateral air services agreement with Nigeria (see list here (http://www.dttas.ie/aviation/AviationServices/airservicesmarket/List_of_Countries_With_ATAs_With_Ireland.asp?lang=ENG&loc=2405)) so that would have to be addressed before any direct flights could start. Similarly for South America. But just because there may be a reasonable passenger flow between Ireland and (for example) Brazil doesn't mean that a direct service (presumably at relatively low frequency) would be economically viable.

[840]

Does the runway cause any restrictions for China flights?

[thebig C]

Hmmmm hadn't heard about Arik! Thanks stab3.5up:)

840....I think the runway is one of the primary considerations for the China flights.

Aparently that is one of the main reasons that SA flights never started, even at the height of the boom when 60k Irish tourists were going to SA. Technically, Capetown and Joburg are within range from Dublin with an A332 or A343 (which are the ac most likely to be used) but they would be so restricted on Dublins runway (particularly the A340) that they would be unable to carry much or any cargo...which as you know on most longhaul routes is the paydirt:)

Good point about the bilaterals Cyrano. Whatever about Nigeria surely Brazil should be a Country the DAA/Government should be interested in! Another problem though, is the lack of competition amongst Brazilian carriers on LH routes outside Latin America, with TAM being the only such operator. At one time Varig and VASP also conducted such flights.

C

[Cyrano]

Arik air had been mentioned as a possible carrier too Dub.

Incidentally Arik Air seems to make even Air India look like a paragon of order, discipline and good organisation (have a read of some threads in the African Aviation forum here...) so be careful what you wish for! ;)

[escortmk2]

Jan 25 to 27 according to this
Boeing Announces Second Segment of 787 Dream Tour - Jan 12, 2012 (http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2100)

[Cyrano]

Jan 25 to 27 according to this
Boeing Announces Second Segment of 787 Dream Tour - Jan 12, 2012 (http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2100)

Ah yes, that makes sense to coincide with the big annual Dublin Airfinance conference (http://www.euromoneyseminars.com/eventdetails/0/4327/14th-Annual-European-Airfinance-Conference-Dublin-2012.html).

[Tom the Tenor]

Arik & Nigeria & TAM & Rio for Dublin - I thought I was the one whom was delusional when it came to wishing for a New York flight for Cork!

[stab3.5up]

Av8 used to oprate to cpt via pmi. china only a rwy prob if flt operates direct. i think we are more likey to get an extension of an existing european route

[racedo]

Direct flights from Nigeria !!!!

Wonder how many passports get lots on the way :rolleyes:

[EI-A330-300]

Arik & Nigeria & TAM & Rio for Dublin - I thought I was the one whom was delusional when it came to wishing for a New York flight for Cork!


Would agree..not going to happon.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Czech Airlines on the website but all flights have cancelled after them, thaugh they were not planning to operate for the winter anyway.

[thebig C]

Whatever about Arik and TAM.....there is more chance of flights from Brazil/Nigeria to Dublin then T/A from Cork!!!:).....now theres a rumour thats being doing the rounds for donkeys years:P

C

[Jamie2k9]

Aerr Lingus:
Increased:
Vienna - daily - (6 weekly)
Prague - daily - (5 weekly)
Brussels - 18 weekly (17 weekly 2 July-2 Sep) - (17 weekly)
Helsinki - 3 weekly - (2 weekly)
Bordeux - 5 weekly - (4 weekly)
Lyon - 6 weekly - (4 weekly)
Frankfurt - 2 daily - (13 weekly)
Budapest - daily (6 weekly)
Milan MXP - daily - 5 weekly)
Rome FCO - 10 weekly - (9 weekly)
Verona - 2 weekly - (NEW)
Faro - 14 weekly - (11 weekly)
Stockholm - 4 weekly - (NEW)
Geneva - 9 weekly - (6 weekly)
Zurich - daily - (6 weekly)
Alicante - 5 weekly (March-October) - (June-Sep in 2011)
Palma - 5 weekly - (Fith June-Sep) - (4 weekly)
Izmir - 2 weekly (March-October) - (May-Sep in 2011)
Birmingham - 20 weekly - (19 weekly)
Manchester - 23 weekly - (20 weekly)
London Gatwick - 40 weekly - (34 weekly)
Boston - 10 weekly - (9 weekly)

No Change:
Bourgas - 4 weekly
Dubrovnilk - 4 weekly
Nice - daily
Paris CDG - 3 daily
Rennes - 3 weekly
Toulouse - 4 weekly
Marseile - 3 weekly
Perginan - 2 weekly
Berlin - 9 weekly
Dusseldorf - 2 daily
Hamburg - daily
Stuttgart - 4 weekly
Munich - 11 weekly
Athens - 3 weekly
Bologna - 3 weekly
Catania - 2 weekly
Milan LIN - daily
Naples - 5 weekly
Venice - 4 weekly
Vilnius - 3 weekly
Amsterdam - 5 daily
Warsaw - daily
Lisbon - 8 weekly
Bucharest - 2 weekly
Barcelona - 2 daily
Bilbao - 3 weekly
Gran Caneria - 3 weekly
Ibiza - 3 weekly
Lanzarote - 4 weekly
Madrid - 10 weekly
Malaga - 2 daily
Santiago - 3 weekly
Tenerife - 2 weekly
New York - 2 daily
Chicago - daily
UK routes apart from above

Reduction:
Krakow - 3 weekly - (4 weekly)
Fueventura - 1 weekly - (May-Sep then 2 weekly) - (2 weekly)
Orlando - 2 weely - (June-August then 3 weekly) - (3 weekly)

Some changes take affect from March and others from May. Subject to change.


Czech Airlines on the website but all flights have cancelled after them, thaugh they were not planning to operate for the winter anyway.


Were not taken out of the system since last year. Aer Lingus took over those chatered routes.

[stab3.5up]

I have to say that actually loiks very impressive. maybe we can get ourselves outa this financail mess after all.

[OltonPete]

Aer Lingus summer 2012

Birmingham - 20 weekly up from 19 (Sunday morning added)

Pete

[thebig C]

Pleasently surprised, that is a very solid schedule from EI!!

I am a little baffled by the Krakow reduction, as there would be quite alot of "Irish" tourist traffic in addition to Polish migrants on that route. However, I guess there is also alot of competition!!

C

[BFS101]

Etihad claims record passenger numbers for 2011. Dublin comes in as the airlines 10th busiest route. From travelweekly.co.uk


Etihad Airways’ busiest route was to Bangkok from Abu Dhabi with the airline carrying more than 500,000 passengers to the Thai capital during the year.
This was closely followed by London Heathrow (479,000), Manila (446,000), and Jeddah (289,000) which represented a 48% increase over 2010. Then came Sydney, Frankfurt, Paris, Manchester, Doha and Dublin to complete the list of the carrier’s 10 most popular routes.

[EI-A330-300]

Pleasently surprised, that is a very solid schedule from EI!!

I am a little baffled by the Krakow reduction, as there would be quite alot of "Irish" tourist traffic in addition to Polish migrants on that route. However, I guess there is also alot of competition!!

C


They have more profitable routes to operate...

[stab3.5up]

Aeroflot? any update or tap?

[PPRuNeUser0176]

DUB had 18.8 million passengers and as usual Ryanairs PR machine was on form today saying they will contuine to cut fligths etc etc but yet they add 3 new routes from Cork and increase Milan BGY season.

Not including domestic traffic both Cork and Dublin saw increase in International traffic.

Latest News > Passenger Numbers Increased By 1% At DAA Airports In 2011 (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/12-01-17/Passenger_Numbers_Increased_By_1_At_DAA_Airports_In_2011.asp x)

[NorthernCounties]

With DUB now experiencing growth again, and Aer Lingus additional plans rotations to destinations which could provide in the region of an additional 400k seats this year, an NAMA pressing ahead with the development of a site nearby the airport, does anyone think we'll see a new runway any time soon?

[840]

The problem is the financing of it. If the DAA could sort that out, I'm sure the government would be more than delighted to see it go ahead. A large infrastructure project that they aren't paying for would be a nice economic boost.

[stab3.5up]

I do think that a new runway is a case of when rather than if. its interesting to see that the uk govt is really giving some thought now to a thames airport.

is it a case of a new rwy in dub being needed or sexing up rwy 10/28 exteneding reworkingetc.

[EI-A330-300]

Finance is a problem but a new one can't be built until 23.5 million passengers is reached. Aviation Regulator.has said this.

[dublinaviator]

With DUB now experiencing growth again, and Aer Lingus additional plans rotations to destinations which could provide in the region of an additional 400k seats this year, an NAMA pressing ahead with the development of a site nearby the airport, does anyone think we'll see a new runway any time soon?

Not a hope. There will be very few capital projects over the next few years for obvious reasons, and there are much more important projects that deserve the money over a new runway, and with the cost of maintaining current infrastructure, it may get to the stage where no capital projects will be funded. And given that DAA debt is classed as 'junk' by most of the ratings agencies, theres no way they'll be able to source financing elsewhere to build it.

So realistically, the most the DAA can hope for is funding a few years from now for an extension to runway 28/10.

[Jamie2k9]

Emirates upgrading DXB to a B777 from 1 June but possibly 1 July.

[stab3.5up]

Oh very good. bookings must be good. i know that inbound numbers on some flights on occassions not even in treble figures. a sad reflection. ey and ek must be the new b+i line and sealink i fear. very sad indeed.

[Jamie2k9]

EK need extra check in desks and bookings are very high over the next 3 months.

How are EY loads holding up are EK affecting them?


Staff shortage may cause Dublin Airport disruption | Irish Examiner (http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/staff-shortage-may-cause-dublin-airport-disruption-536871.html)

No Fire service then no flights.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Staff shortage may cause Dublin Airport disruption | Irish Examiner (http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/staff-shortage-may-cause-dublin-airport-disruption-536871.html)

No Fire service then no flights.

If it happens it will be weeks away, as they have a registered agreement that it has to go to the (LRC) and (LC) before it goes ahead and it will take weeks and it will most lightly will be sorted out.

[Cyrano]

It's reported that Air Baltic will resume Riga-Dublin 4 times per week from 01 June.

[DollarBill]

B787 due in tonight at 2025.
FlightAware > Boeing Commercial Airplane Group #787 > 25-Jan-2012 > KRFD-EIDW Flight Tracker (http://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE787/history/20120125/1400Z/KRFD/EIDW)

[PPRuNeUser0176]

It's reported that Air Baltic will resume Riga-Dublin 4 times per week from 01 June.


Bookable operating on Mon,Tues,Thur,Sat with a B733.

B787 due in tonight at 2025.


Has landed and an EY Cargo B777 will arrive on Thursday for painting

[Skipness One Echo]

Has landed and an EY Cargo B777 will arrive on Thursday for painting

That's a little odd? Is it the new one Boeing just delivered?
Photo Search Results | Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=A6-DDA)

[PPRuNeUser0176]

That's a little odd? Is it the new one Boeing just delivered?
Photo Search Results | Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=A6-DDA)

Thats the one

Etihad title will be moved and some additional titles added..

It was due on Tuesday at 17.15 from Hahn but will now arrive tomorrow at around the same time.

[stab3.5up]

Air baltic only operating for a few months over the summer. finnishes sep i think

[quantumofcheese]

Boeing 787 Steep Takeoff Dublin - YouTube
Wow I found a great video of the 787 departure from Friday :)

[stab3.5up]

Another one bits the dust. Not so long ago nearly every spanish charter flight to spain was on jk.

sad news for those involved in spanair.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

I see the Transport Minister Leo Varadkar has said charges at Dublin are frozen and they are open to do deals with airlines but I don't think they will be able to do one which Ryanair would be happy with.

Aer Lingus increasing ABZ,GLA, adding BOH and reducing BRS.

[stab3.5up]

Wot other possible deals could they offer!!!

[dublinaviator]

Wot other possible deals could they offer!!!

Seriously? :ooh:

For one they could stop taxing tourists just to visit this country. Then, they could reduce airport charges which are currently stifling growth, not just for Ryanair, but for several airlines operating out of DUB.

The DAA should follow the Spanish model and either axe or significantly discount airport charges for airlines that maintain passenger numbers going through Irish airports at say 2006 levels. This would give airlines an incentive to invest in Irish airports which will drive growth at the airports and increase profits (scale of economy, ancillary revenue and so on), and deliver for the airlines in the form of discounted charges.

But thats assuming we had people in government who had a clue...:rolleyes:

[stab3.5up]

If you search on the daa website you can download all the deals that the daa offer airlines already....hence my comment!!

[Jack1985]

But thats assuming we had people in government who had a clue...:rolleyes:Exactly. They seem to take the same model to employment - reduce incentives, reduce capital spending and increase taxes, they then rant on about how they're all for cutting unemployment (when the rate of 14% remains stagnant/increasing). Lets face it, this country is run by buffoons who aren't in Government for the national interest they're there for the pay, benefits and the ''doss''. There's little hope of change either a party opposite which managed the near obliteration of the Irish economy, a party who only 10 years ago carried out murders to justify there stance as ''Political Prisoners'', and a Party who seem to think there's an easy way which there is not. What the Government needs to understand is you DO NOT tax a sector of the economy which is growing, creating employment. This is what they done to the aviation sector with far bigger reactions by airlines to the existing Global Downturn, They are now doing it to the Internet/eCommerce sector passing ACTA to please our European counter parts, i would hold your breath if your expecting reform and change of many sectors of the Irish economy for the next few years, because they don't have the balls to do anything for the people they represent.

[dublinaviator]

If you search on the daa website you can download all the deals that the daa offer airlines already....hence my comment!!

And I'm saying to you, the DAA and the government could be doing a lot more.

[Sober Lark]

In a recessionary economy don't people cut down on travel and save instead? I'd imagine the cost of flying is one of the smallest elements of the total cost of going away for a short holiday so even if the DAA actually paid people to fly it probably wouldn't make any difference to the numbers that travel through their airports.

[Shamrogue]

I'm with sober lark,

The direct Gov tax is bog all to do with airline growth. Airport charges may have a bigger effect, since they'll be directly in the airfare and are perhaps more substantial.

Airlines will make more from selling ancillary services than the gov tax also. So should the airlines sell their hotels etc nett in order to enhance the tourist proposition (I say this with a smile).

Overall, the European economy is under pressure. If you plan a trip, it'll go something like €200.00 airfare, €100 a night hotel, €50.00 a night dinner, €20.00 visiting attractions etc etc etc. It's the overall spend. And it's widely shown people are opting for 1 holiday versus 2 holidays.
Perhaps the simplest route is to try and develope new markets and tap clients we're not seeing.

Cheerio Shamrogue

[Shamrogue]

US Airways are going double daily on Saturdays and Sundays to PHL for Summer 2012.

[gazcork]

Emirates goes to 773ER - not sure if old news at this stage!

Emirates upgrading Dublin to B777-300ER aircraft from July - Business Traveller (http://www.businesstraveller.com/middle-east/news/emirates-upgrading-dublin-to-b777-300er-from-july)

[stab3.5up]

I wonder if ey will respond somehow.

great news abiut usairways but does that mean 3 usair flights sat and sun?phl and cht?

[Shamrogue]

Yessie,

DUB - CLT - US725
DUB - PHL - US723
and the extra waiting on update.

Regards
Shamrogue

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Great news for EK and from US.

Extra PHL flights

Arrive DUB 06.25
Depart DUB 09.05

[stab3.5up]

Will delta offer the xtra jfk flts as well similar to last year also?

[Seljuk22]

The new passenger service, launched on 9th January, has already become one of the airline’s most successful route launches with load factors driving through 90% for many of the flights. ... “Normally, this would provide enough capacity for the first 2-3 years of a new route operation...However, Dublin is exceeding our expectations much faster than was predicted and we need more seats to satisfy demand.”

Emirates quickly upgrades Dublin Aircraft to cope with demand | Emirates | About Emirates | News (http://www.emirates.com/ae/english/about/news/news_detail.aspx?article=779072&offset=0)

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Delta have a B767 on JFK from late March. It was a 757 last summer so that is also an increase in seats already. I do hope that DL put the A330 back on ALT.

Will be great to see 3 US Airways 757 on the ground at once if they are all on time.

[stab3.5up]

Wot does on time mean lol. More like all three tech on the ground at the same time.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Wot does on time mean lol. More like all three tech on the ground at the same time.


PHL 06.25-09.05
CLT 06.55-09.30
PHL 08.45-11.15

So all will be there for 20 mins.

[dublinaviator]

In a recessionary economy don't people cut down on travel and save instead? I'd imagine the cost of flying is one of the smallest elements of the total cost of going away for a short holiday so even if the DAA actually paid people to fly it probably wouldn't make any difference to the numbers that travel through their airports.

I'm with sober lark,

The direct Gov tax is bog all to do with airline growth. Airport charges may have a bigger effect, since they'll be directly in the airfare and are perhaps more substantial.

Airlines will make more from selling ancillary services than the gov tax also. So should the airlines sell their hotels etc nett in order to enhance the tourist proposition (I say this with a smile).

Overall, the European economy is under pressure. If you plan a trip, it'll go something like €200.00 airfare, €100 a night hotel, €50.00 a night dinner, €20.00 visiting attractions etc etc etc. It's the overall spend. And it's widely shown people are opting for 1 holiday versus 2 holidays.
Perhaps the simplest route is to try and develope new markets and tap clients we're not seeing.

Cheerio Shamrogue

Just because the government says so, doesn't make it true. Right now we're competing for inbound tourism more than ever before, so to tax people just to visit this island is a joke. We should be doing everything possible to get people to visit here, not taxing them.

This is just 1 barrier though, but a straightforward one that the government could remove. The other is the high airport charges, particularly at Dublin. New route schemes are grand, but more needs to be done for airlines already serving Irish airports in order to allow them to increase capacity.

Taxing tourists and charging airlines through the roof to land here is doing nothing to increase passenger numbers or inbound tourism. The sooner idiots like Leo Varadkar realise this the better.

[Jack1985]

Excellent step by Emirates to increase the service to a 773ER from July 1st. Could only be a few years before the service goes Double Daily if growth suffices :oh:

[MidlandDeltic]

Excellent step by Emirates to increase the service to a 773ER from July 1st. Could only be a few years before the service goes Double Daily if growth suffices

Nah, we'll run out of emigrants before then - although there will be a market for visits back to the aul' sod by those forced to take Noonan's "lifestyle choice" :)

[Jack1985]

Nah, we'll run out of emigrants before then - although there will be a market for visits back to the aul' sod by those forced to take Noonan's "lifestyle choice" http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif

hahaha very true :ok:

[Shamrogue]

Emirates/Etihad's success must be partly helped the Irish wish not to see Heathrow!
Abu Dhabi and Dubai airports being so much more user friendly. So if the change just a movement from the mega walks of Heathrow with the hellish security to somewhere alittle handier to manage?

Regards
Shamrogue

[akerosid]

I am delighted to see EK adding capacity on the DUB route, especially after so short a time; it would have been great to see a 343, as had once been suggested, but this is obviously all the better to get one of EK's high capacity aircraft.

Ok, we can all be negative about certain things that are happening, but the bottom line is that EK - with all its marketing prowess and power - now has the incentive to market Ireland all the more aggressively across its huge network; that can only help us; for our exporters, likewise, it'll be a big boost.

With such a large shopping list - over 50 77Ws on order - it can only be a matter of time before we get the second daily.

JetPhotos.Net Photo » A6-ECE (CN: 35575) Emirates Boeing 777-31HER by John Fitzpatrick (http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=7252461&nseq=9)

[Noxegon]

The other is the high airport charges, particularly at Dublin.

Do you work for FR? :)

Seriously though, I think it's disingenuous to suggest that airport charges make that much of a difference in the grand scheme of things. If you're spending €500 on a holiday, the €10.43 charged per passenger at DUB is negligible.

Personally I'd much rather pay that fee to use a real airport rather than travel through a cattle shed like BVA.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

So its ok for Ryanair increase baggage charges, add EU levey and add EU carbon tax, increase online check in but its not ok for airports to increase charges. No matter what Ryanair say there DUB routes are profitable and the cuts we have saw over the last two years have being in winter for the most part and not summer.

Ryanair have no problem paying 24 pounds per passenger in the UK soon to be about 28 and then they go on about our €3 tax which is being used to market Ireland abroad. Why not cut across the UK (only STN). Reason is that if they cut there will be other carriers like Jet2,easyjet to take up the routes. If EZY came to DUB there would not be another word about charges as FR would do everything possible to get them out.

some people on here who work for FR would also agree with much of the post above.

[dublinaviator]

Cop on lads, this isn't a DAA vs. Ryanair arguement, ALL airlines are against the DAA's high charges and their recent attempt to increase them. Its not often that the likes of Aer Lingus or CityJet get into bed with Ryanair, so that should tell you something...

[PPRuNeUser0176]

and their recent attempt to increase them

The increase in charges was know since 2009 so it was not recent at all.

So if Aer Lingus are not happy with charges why are they basing extra aircraft and increaseing flights?

[Noxegon]

ALL airlines are against the DAA's high charges and their recent attempt to increase them.

Okay, I'll give you that. Still, I'd put it to you that the DUB landing fee is insignificant in terms of the overall cost of a flight. DUB could be €2 per passenger and the airlines would still look for it to be cheaper.

[MidlandDeltic]

So if Aer Lingus are not happy with charges why are they basing extra aircraft and increaseing flights?

Possibly because, short of opening a new base outside the state (and their efforts in that direction have been less than impressive overall, to be fair) they have little option BUT to expand from Dublin if they want to fully utilise their aircraft.

MD

[stab3.5up]

Where offically does dub sit in relation to other european airports regarding charges. not just passenger but airbridge use, landing fees etc etc.

i only ask as i wonder if taking into account ALL fees charges including handling fees that dublin is as cheap or as expensive as everyone else and that mol et al are using the passenger charges as an easy option to target.

i could be wrong but i would like too see the actual costs, does the meerkat have a compatetheairportfees.com website????

[liffy2A]

I'm in no way political. But the Minster for Transport said he would scrap the tax altogether if the airlines would grow.They all joined together in unity to get rid of the tax. It is now a third of what it was but the airlines didnt expand there network enough to get rid of it altogether because the they know the figures are not there. Yes they opened new route on summer schedules, but not when they were asked too in the depths of winter. They all since have gone very quiet and O Leary has gone back to having a pop at the DAA for fees now.Somethings never change. There is nothing surer than taxes and death. Varadkar called there bluff. Varadkar 1 airlines 0.

[Shamrogue]

Leo was spot on.

Airlines will moan about charges, the press are happy to carry the headlines as it's pandering to the public/tourist organisations. It gets the airline in question free advertising and keeps them top of mind for the consumer. Politician takes a rattling - so what's new.
All business's do the same - rant about rates, or the price of the lecky or whatever. If you don't - it'll keep going up till you are no longer in business.

Householders do it - water charges etc. No one rings up and thanks the waterboard or whoever for putting up a rate.

If you drop the taxes to zero, and further reduced landing charges - in two years time there would be moaning that terminal 2 looked more like an old cow shed and how could it be allowed to get that way.

Life continues onwards.

Shamrogue

[EI-A330-300]

Ryanair may cut further capacity here as profits rise - The Irish Times - Tue, Jan 31, 2012 (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0131/1224311000797.html#.Tye4mggvPJ0.twitter)

Where offically does dub sit in relation to other european airports regarding charges. not just passenger but airbridge use, landing fees etc etc.

DUB is one of the lowest charges in Europe. Spain have the lowest but DUB is well below capitial city airports across Europe.

Incident: Etihad A332 at Abu Dhabi on Jan 30th 2012, rejected takeoff due to false line up (http://avherald.com/h?article=44a21dc3&opt=0)

EY figures seem to be holding up with EK also flying to Middle East if those pax numbers are correct.

[dublinaviator]

The increase in charges was know since 2009 so it was not recent at all.

The decision of the aviation regulator to approve the increase may have been taken in 2009, but its implementation was only due this year. Fortunately, the DAA decided to postpone the increase, but thats not enough, they should be coming down.

So if Aer Lingus are not happy with charges why are they basing extra aircraft and increaseing flights?

They're not basing extra aircraft, they've actually reduced their fleet size and capacity on many routes. If you're referring to Aer Lingus Regional, thats all down to Aer Arann, not Aer Lingus.

Okay, I'll give you that. Still, I'd put it to you that the DUB landing fee is insignificant in terms of the overall cost of a flight. DUB could be €2 per passenger and the airlines would still look for it to be cheaper.

As was proved with Shannon, a €10 tax (passed on to passengers) could be the difference between whether an airline makes a profit or loss on a route.

Leo was spot on.

Airlines will moan about charges, the press are happy to carry the headlines as it's pandering to the public/tourist organisations. It gets the airline in question free advertising and keeps them top of mind for the consumer. Politician takes a rattling - so what's new.
All business's do the same - rant about rates, or the price of the lecky or whatever. If you don't - it'll keep going up till you are no longer in business.

Householders do it - water charges etc. No one rings up and thanks the waterboard or whoever for putting up a rate.

If you drop the taxes to zero, and further reduced landing charges - in two years time there would be moaning that terminal 2 looked more like an old cow shed and how could it be allowed to get that way.

Shamrogue, this isn't a tax on business, the airlines pay their share of tax like everyone else and nobody is calling for them to pay nothing in tax, that would be stupid. This is a tax on tourists visiting this country, and at a time when we're competing for tourists more than ever and relying on the tourism sector to provide some growth in the economy. It makes no sense, and whatever little revenue it brings in is no doubt outweighed by the negative impact it has on the greater economy.

But seen as you want to use analogies, do you think we should increase corporation tax? Its the same principle, at a time when we're trying to bring inward investment to the country and attract companies like Google, IBM, Faceb00k etc., it would be stupid to increase corporation tax. Again, whatever short-term gain we might get in increased tax revenue would be outweighed by the long-term damage it would do to FDI prospects, and would result in job losses as many companies would just up and leave, which Dell and others have proved they have no problem doing, no matter how big their presence is.

DUB is one of the lowest charges in Europe.

Compared to Heathrow or Paris-CDG maybe, but you're comparing an airport with a throughput of circa 18 million a year with airports that have a throughput of 50 million+ a year.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

They're not basing extra aircraft, they've actually reduced their fleet size and capacity on many routes. If you're referring to Aer Lingus Regional, thats all down to Aer Arann, not Aer Lingus.


FYI they are basing a extra A320 next summer.
Increaseing 22 routes and reducing just 3. (as posted a few pages back) and that does not include EI regional flights. So are they reducing capacity on many routes??????

On airport charges they are lower thatn airport that handle in the region of 20 million, will find the survay if I can and post it.

As was proved with Shannon, a €10 tax (passed on to passengers) could be the difference between whether an airline makes a profit or loss on a route

So the passenger pays for the air fare and at the airport so the airlines can make a profit.

[Jack1985]

A/C 1 - ATR72:

EI3280 DEP DUB 06:40 ARR BRS 07:50 MTWTFSS
EI3281 DEP BRS 08:15 ARR DUB 09:30 MTWTFSS

EI3292 DEP DUB 10:10 ARR CWL 11:20 MTWTFSS
EI3293 DEP CWL 11:45 ARR DUB 12:55 MTWTFSS

EI3246 DEP DUB 13:30 ARR ABZ 15:05 -----S-
EI3247 DEP ABZ 15:30 ARR ORK 17:00 -----S-

EI3246 DEP DUB 15:00 ARR ABZ 16:35 MTWTF-S
EI3247 DEP ABZ 17:00 ARR DUB 18:30 MTWTF-S

EI3258 DEP DUB 18:10 ARR EDI 19:25 -----S-
EI3259 DEP EDI 19:50 ARR DUB 21:00 -----S-

EI3298 DEP DUB 19:10 ARR CWL 20:20 MTWTF-S
EI3299 DEP CWL 20:45 ARR DUB 21:55 MTWTF-S

A/C 2 - ATR72:

EI3250 DEP DUB 06:40 ARR EDI 07:55 MTWTFSS
EI3251 DEP EDI 08:20 ARR DUB 09:30 MTWTFSS

EI3222 DEP DUB 10:00 ARR GLA 11:10 MTWTFSS
EI3223 DEP GLA 11:35 ARR DUB 12:40 MTWTFSS

EI3224 DEP DUB 13:10 ARR GLA 14:20 M--TF-S
EI3225 DEP GLA 14:45 ARR DUB 15:50 M--TF-S

EI3254 DEP DUB 13:10 ARR EDI 14:25 -----S-
EI3255 DEP EDI 14:50 ARR DUB 16:00 -----S-

EI3908 DEP DUB 16:30 ARR RNS 19:20 -----S-
EI3909 DEP RNS 19:50 ARR DUB 20:40 -----S-

EI3258 DEP DUB 18:10 ARR EDI 19:25 MTWTF-S
EI3259 DEP EDI 19:50 ARR DUB 21:00 MTWTF-S

A/C 3 - ATR72:

EI3220 DEP DUB 06:50 ARR GLA 08:00 MTWTFSS
EI3221 DEP GLA 08:25 ARR DUB 09:30 MTWTFSS

EI3252 DEP DUB 10:00 ARR EDI 11:15 MTWTF-S
EI3253 DEP EDI 11:40 ARR DUB 12:50 MTWTF-S

EI3904 DEP DUB 10:00 ARR RNS 12:50 -----S-
EI3915 DEP RNS 13:20 ARR ORK 14:05 -----S-
EI3916 DEP ORK 14:35 ARR RNS 17:25 -----S-
EI3905 DEP RNS 17:55 ARR DUB 18:45 -----S-

EI3314 DEP DUB 13:15 ARR BLK 14:10 M-WTFSS
EI3315 DEP BLK 14:35 ARR DUB 15:30 M-WTFSS

EI3908 DEP DUB 13:30 ARR RNS 16:20 -T-----
EI3909 DEP RNS 16:50 ARR DUB 17:40 -T-----

EI3226 DEP DUB 16:20 ARR GLA 17:30 M-WTF-S
EI3227 DEP GLA 17:55 ARR DUB 19:00 M-WTF-S

EI3228 DEP DUB 19:25 ARR GLA 20:35 MTWTFSS
EI3229 DEP GLA 21:00 ARR DUB 22:05 MTWTFSS

NON-BASED - ATR72:

EI3287 DEP BRS 17:20 ARR DUB 18:30 MTWTFSS
EI3288 DEP DUB 19:00 ARR BRS 20:10 MTWTFSS

Main Changes:

*Edinburgh increased from 14PW to 21PW.
*Glasgow increased from 31PW to 36PW.
*Bristol reduced from 20PW to 14PW.

[Noxegon]

As was proved with Shannon, a €10 tax (passed on to passengers) could be the difference between whether an airline makes a profit or loss on a route.

You're stating your opinion as a fact. I'd see it differently; Ryanair was operating unprofitable routes which were on borrowed time anyway, and when the tax came along it was a great excuse to use to throw their toys out of the pram. And yes, that's opinion too.

Compared to Heathrow or Paris-CDG maybe, but you're comparing an airport with a throughput of circa 18 million a year with airports that have a throughput of 50 million+ a year.

I don't think passenger throughput is really relevant to this discussion -- but if you insist, I'd have thought economies of scale would mean that an airport handling fifty million passengers per year should really be charging *less* per passenger than one handling eighteen million, wouldn't you agree?

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Agree with the last post but think its time to move on from the airport charges, they will never please everyone and its getting a little boaring at this stage.

[Cyrano]

Regarding the Aer Arann schedule above, where is the DUB-BOH going to fit in? On the Bournemouth thread it's suggested that this will be departing DUB about 1600, departing BOH about 1730.

On Jack's Aircraft 2 there is a gap from 1550 to 1810 - not enough, but maybe some more prising apart to be done to fit this in? Or will the gap be used to send that aircraft to IOM while a 42 goes to BOH?

Update: OK, based on today's press release (http://insideireland.ie/2012/02/01/aer-arann-announces-new-routes-on-aer-lingus-regional-routes-53094/) the Bournemouth flight will leave DUB at 1430 and leave Bournemouth at 1620.

[Shamrogue]

Dublinaviator,

You are missing my point on the tax issue. Ryanair have reported higher profits and indeed so will a number of airlines. If you take a cost out from a fare - ie in this case €3.000 Gov tax. Most airlines will not reduce their fares by €3.00. It will be used to increase profits. They might claim they will. But ultimately it's a tight business and anywhere an airline sees an opportunity to increase profits it will be taken - simple logic - any business would do the same.
However, €3.00 will not decide a passenger coming to Ireland or not. Far more radical plans need to be played out.
But look at the amount of free press the airlines gain from objecting to the €3.00.
Regards
Shamrogue

[DublinPole]

I am a little baffled by the Krakow reduction, as there would be quite alot of "Irish" tourist traffic in addition to Polish migrants on that route. However, I guess there is also alot of competition!!

Aer Lingus dug their own hole with Krakow and traffic bled to Ryanair over the last 12-18 months because of some very strange decisions when it comes to diversions if the airport was closed due to fog/snow or some other reason that really annoyed the hell of out a large number of passengers who voted with their feet and left.

On a good few occasions EI bound Polish flights seemed to take a liking to diverting to Berlin over 500km away rather than the nearest open airport. I had a friend who was waiting for another friend in Krakow for a flight, and pretty much every other flight diverted to Katowice or another regional airport that day but the EI flight was the only one diverted to Berlin despite all other airports in Poland being open. This happened a few times last year from what I saw on arrivals/departure boards.

I myself got caught up in something similar in November 2010, flight to WAW diverted to SXF as WAW closed due to snow cabin crew told us that all airports in Poland were closed and had to divert to Berlin. Friend of mine waiting in Warsaw for me saw that the flag carriers were diverting to Lodz, Krakow, Katowice, Poznan amongst others, AL was the only carrier to divert outside Poland and the only airport closed was WAW and that was for just 60 minutes to clear the runway.

Fortunately for EI there is no competition to Warsaw so it didn't really bleed customers to FR on that route, but the Krakow one most certainly did.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Regarding the Aer Arann schedule above, where is the DUB-BOH going to fit in? On the Bournemouth thread it's suggested that this will be departing DUB about 1600, departing BOH about 1730.

On Jack's Aircraft 2 there is a gap from 1550 to 1810 - not enough, but maybe some more prising apart to be done to fit this in? Or will the gap be used to send that aircraft to IOM while a 42 goes to BOH?

Update: OK, based on today's press release (http://insideireland.ie/2012/02/01/aer-arann-announces-new-routes-on-aer-lingus-regional-routes-53094/) the Bournemouth flight will leave DUB at 1430 and leave Bournemouth at 1620.


Blackpool will also increase fomr 6 weekly to daily. EI website still showing it at 6 weekly.:confused:

Latest News > Dublin Airport Welcomes Aer Lingus Regional Expansion (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/12-02-01/Dublin_Airport_Welcomes_Aer_Lingus_Regional_Expansion.aspx)

[dublinaviator]

FYI they are basing a extra A320 next summer.
Increaseing 22 routes and reducing just 3. (as posted a few pages back) and that does not include EI regional flights. So are they reducing capacity on many routes??????

Aer Lingus have consistently reduced capacity over the last couple of years, and their fleet has reduced from 42 down to 37, with 1 of those currently in storage.

Granted, they are increasing capacity on a lot of routes this summer which don't get me wrong is great to see, but the point I'm trying to make to you is that just because they're going ahead with a modest net expansion doesn't mean they have no issue with DAA charges, which you tried to imply earlier. Aer Lingus aren't like Ryanair, they can't afford to play chicken with the DAA and pull out a load of aircraft from Dublin until charges come down, they have no choice but to expand from Dublin. Ryanair on the other hand are a global brand and can just move aircraft to other bases that are more profitable. But it is well known that Aer Lingus, along with CityJet, are one with Ryanair on the issue of airport charges.

You're stating your opinion as a fact. I'd see it differently; Ryanair was operating unprofitable routes which were on borrowed time anyway, and when the tax came along it was a great excuse to use to throw their toys out of the pram. And yes, that's opinion too.

It wasn't my opinion, I was just stating a fact, i.e. that many routes have very thin yields and a modest increase in airport charges can make routes, that were profitable, unprofitable overnight.

Thin yields aside, look at it this way - the hard won €97 million in cost-cutting that was achieved by the Aer Lingus greenfield programme was wiped out overnight by the aviation regulator's decision to approve the DAA's request to increase charges, which are only postponed - they will be introduced eventually.

I don't think passenger throughput is really relevant to this discussion -- but if you insist, I'd have thought economies of scale would mean that an airport handling fifty million passengers per year should really be charging *less* per passenger than one handling eighteen million, wouldn't you agree?

Not unless they can afford to, which the likes of Heathrow and Frankfurt can. We can't. And passenger throughput is very relevant when you're drawing comparisons between Dublin and the likes of Paris-CDG, Frankfurt, Heathrow etc.

Dublinaviator,

You are missing my point on the tax issue. Ryanair have reported higher profits and indeed so will a number of airlines. If you take a cost out from a fare - ie in this case €3.000 Gov tax. Most airlines will not reduce their fares by €3.00. It will be used to increase profits. They might claim they will. But ultimately it's a tight business and anywhere an airline sees an opportunity to increase profits it will be taken - simple logic - any business would do the same.
However, €3.00 will not decide a passenger coming to Ireland or not. Far more radical plans need to be played out.
But look at the amount of free press the airlines gain from objecting to the €3.00.
Regards
Shamrogue

Shamrogue, again this isn't a tax on airlines, its a tax on tourists. Its only collected from airlines for convenience. So just that alone is reason enough to get rid of it - its not helping our case for increasing tourism numbers and whatever little revenue it brings in is outweighed by the negative effects it has on the greater economy. As I said as well, €3 added on to each passenger fare can be the difference between whether or not a route is profitable.

I can see where you're coming from, but I just personally think the government, in conjunction with the DAA, should be doing a lot more to allow airlines expand and increase passenger numbers, and thereby increase tourism. Taxing tourists and increasing charges does nothing for that cause.

[j636]

Why was LH DUB-FRA cancelled this morning? Was due to fly to Moscow and turned up at the airport at it was cancelled.

Read that passengers due in last night were put up in hotels last night but the aircraft still landed in DUB at around midnight. Something to do with smell of burning when the engines were started in FRA.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Whatever the reasons for it being canclled the aircraft that arrived last night didn't depart until 17.22 today (empty) to FRA.

[Noxegon]

Many routes have very thin yields and a modest increase in airport charges can make routes, that were profitable, unprofitable overnight.

Quite true, but that's not what you actually said.

As was proved with Shannon, a €10 tax (passed on to passengers) could be the difference between whether an airline makes a profit or loss on a route.

I don't believe that the big batch of routes operated by FR from SNN were ever profitable; rather, that the travel tax was a convenient excuse to cover the potential embarrassment of a failed experiment.

[stab3.5up]

Ldy thread has various comments regarding resumtion of ldy dub route. anyone any further info or ideas

[dublinaviator]

I don't believe that the big batch of routes operated by FR from SNN were ever profitable; rather, that the travel tax was a convenient excuse to cover the potential embarrassment of a failed experiment.

Well both of us are drawing assumptions here on whether or not the routes from Shannon were profitable. But Ryanair aren't in the business of operating unprofitable routes, unless of course its to get rid of competition ;). I'm not saying there weren't any unprofitable routes, but to say they never made a profit out of their SNN operation is a bit far-fetched, especially considering the duration of their contract with the SAA. I think its safe to say that most of the routes they operated from SNN were low yielding routes operating on thin margins, and the lack of a better deal with SAA management coupled with a new €10 travel tax turned barely profitable routes into loss-making ones, and the fact that they pulled so many routes before their contract with the SAA ended shows they weren't willing to operate loss-making routes for the sake of contractual obligations.

[thebig C]

Hey DublinPole:)

Thanks for that info. I knew there had to be more complex reasons as the DUB-KRK route is one that should be able to sustain 2 carriers. Although, I had noted that alot of the Polish I know seemed to opt for RE as opposed to EI! This is something thats also been commented on in relation to US flights.

EI seemed to be able to push LOT/Central Wings off the DUB-WAW route. However, it will be interesting to see what happens if Ryanair start operations from Modlin.

C

[stab3.5up]

There was some talk i think last summer of lot having another go at the dub waw but like many notions airlines had nothing came of it.

i think thats a market best left to fr to be honest. i believe lot pulled the route as they got very business class passengers.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Aer Lingus would make more money by sending the aircraft to Spain instead of Krakow and thats what they have done. Don't see why people are making a big deal about it being reduced.

Warsaw whats the deal about it. FR and EI operated to Warsaw for a long time but FR pulled it becasue of charges in Warsaw, if they start it again then the comsumer wins with lower fares from both carriers.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Latest News > Dublin Airport Pays (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/12-02-03/Dublin_Airport_Pays_%e2%82%ac1_5M_To_Airlines_That_Grew_in_2 011.aspx)

The rebates are being paid to operators that grew their passenger numbers at Dublin during 2011. Among those receiving rebates are; Aer Arann, Aer Lingus, Etihad Airways, Lufthansa, Norwegian, SAS, Swiss, Turkish Airlines and US Airways.



So Malev service to BUD as gone. They didn't get to operate this mornigns flight to BUD, Im sure Aer Lingus and Ryanair will cover the loss and wonder if they owed much to the DAA.

Tail wind pushes CityJet towards break-even point - The Irish Times - Fri, Feb 03, 2012 (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0203/1224311168554.html#.TyuozD8oFxc.twitter)


Ourmieres also said CityJet would be increasing the frequency of flights from Dublin to London City Airport from March 25th – operating up to six flights a day from the current five. It also plans to resume its seasonal route between Dublin and Pau from May 18th.


The Pau flights leave DUB Friday morning and return Monday afternoon.

[EI-A330-300]

Dublin passengers left to fend for themselves after Hungarian airline collapses · TheJournal.ie (http://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-passengers-left-to-fend-for-themselves-after-hungarian-airline-collapses-345066-Feb2012/)


113 passengers were due to go to BUD this morning and had checked in for the flights.
The DAA spokesperson said it had no outstanding debts or obligations from Malev


Didn't know that it was only DUB and TLV that Malev night stopped.

[stab3.5up]

Would it be up to the a/c lesssorto get the empty malev a/c out of dub now. very sad news for all invloved. massive blow for budapest.airport

[thebig C]

Jez EI-EIDW

I quiried the reduction on the Krakow route, another poster commented on what may be an aspect of their decision. The thread is "Airlines, Airports & Routes"....thats what happens here.

If you think Aer Lingus should do what it has always done for the past number of decades and that they should only appeal to Irish people, then tats a perfectly valid opinion. However, please don't complain when other posters voice their opinions!

C

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Ryanair's passenger plan doesn't stack up: Deloitte - Irish, Business - Independent.ie (http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/ryanairs-passenger-plan-doesnt-stack-up-deloitte-3009165.html)

Gov said tax will go if Ryanair add 1 million passengers but Ryanair wamt 40% reduction in charges for 10 years at Dublin and tax scrapped.
to bring in 1 million.

MOL claimed that 55% of there passegers from Ireland are inbound. More like 55% outbound.

Also Palemo to DUB from 5 April.

[akerosid]

Just hypocrisy on FR's part, given all the charges they see fit to impose on Irish travellers - far in excess of the measly €3 in taxes (far less than those in the UK, probably much lower than in other countries). One can't help thinking that they deliberately ask for things they know they won't get ...

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Sadly, a sight we'll never see again in DUB:

JetPhotos.Net Photo » HA-LOP (CN: 29354) Malév Hungarian Airlines Boeing 737-7Q8 by John Fitzpatrick (http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6551619&nseq=1)

One of the best of the old Eastern European carriers - and the first (apart from Tarom) to operate Western aircraft, introducing its first 737-200, back in 1988.

Malev operated a number of charters to Dublin down through the years, before operating its scheduled service in recent years; a relative recalls flying to BUD on a Tupolev back in the mid 1970s.

[EI-A330-300]

Latest News > Iberia To Expand Dublin-Madrid Route (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/12-02-06/Iberia_To_Expand_Dublin-Madrid_Route.aspx)

[stab3.5up]

Is that a capacity increase or frequency increase?

[EISNN]

the press release from the DAA says,

"The route, which is currently operated by Iberia franchisee Air Nostrum, is to get a larger 177-seat aircraft from June and additional summer frequencies. Air Nostrum had previously operated the route with a 90-seat aircraft.

The expanded service to Madrid will also enhance Dublin Airport’s international connectivity, as it will offer improved connections to South America, Central America and South Africa through Iberia’s main hub.

The expanded Dublin-Madrid service will operate daily in June and August and eight times per week in July. There will be flve flights per week in each direction during the winter months. Flights will leave Madrid at 15.50 daily arriving in Dublin at 17.20. The return flight will leave Dublin at 18.10 and arrive in Madrid at 21.40.

[Jamie2k9]

Bmi plan to increase LHR up to 7 daily flights for the summer. 5 was the most last year and n regional flights planed. Could all change with BA.

From May:
Monday:
7 flights - (3 A319, 3 A320, 1 A321)
Tuesday:
5 flights - (2 A319, 3 A320)
Wednesday:
5 flights - (3 A319, 2 A320)
Thursday:
6 flights - (2 A319. 4 A320)
Friday:
5 flights - (2 A319, 3 A320)
Saturday:
5 flights - (4 A319, 1 A320)
Sunday:
3 flights - (2 A319, 1 A320)

34 weekly in 2011, 36 in 2012 but larger aircraft was nearly always A319, EM145 in 2011.

Aircraft are varied from month to month but its mainly the above. Monday flights are very close so could be a mistake on the site. Currently 10.20 & 10.45 and 13.00, 13.40 and 14.30)

Its a large seat increase and lets hope the route is not pulled.

SK flights for 2012 changes since last post:

ARN 6/7 weekly April-June. 4 weekly July-August. 6/7 weekly September -October
CPH 13 weekly all summer, larger aircraft in May-September
OSL 4 weekly April-June. 3 weekly July-August. 4 weekly September-October.

[stab3.5up]

The timings probably reflect the onward connections via lhr. But none the less much better a/c for the route rather than the barbiejets.

[stab3.5up]

The times showing above would indicate no night stop in the summer

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Bmi will have a nigh stop.

First flight of the day leaves LHR at 07.00 and arrives at 08.20 and the first flight from DUB leave at 07.45 and arrives LHR at 09.00. The 08.20 arrival doesn't depart again until after 10.30.

[EI-A330-300]

Lufthansa have added a second weekly to MUC during peak summer months. Will now operate on Sat and Sun with A320.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

The reduction in airport charges for winter season at DUB have come into affect since 1 Feb. I thaugh it was due to be November 2012 before it happened.

Runway movement charge has being reduced for winter and charges for airlines departing on contact stands reduced but remote stands stay the same remote is Pier D.

Airport Charges (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/about-us/airport-charges/airport-charges.aspx)

[stab3.5up]

Any reduction is to be welcomed. but may be too little to late for many carriers.

[Jamie2k9]

Have heard recently that Air Moldova are to operate charter flights to Chișinău. Does anyone know more?
They have also recently reopened reservations on flights to DUB via FRA.

[stab3.5up]

Not surprised after demise of malev as they would have done well with traffic to moldovia. Also read that blue air adding bacu again from april twice a week.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Latest News > T2 Wins Twice At LAMA Awards (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/12-02-13/T2_Wins_Twice_At_LAMA_Awards.aspx)

[ayroplain]

What a load of Boxxxxxs.

LAMA? It should have won the NAMA award for biggest waste of money.

National Impact Award? The only impact it has had is on passengers pockets.

Who the hell invents these nonsensical and meaningless awards?!!!

[Noxegon]

I agree that this award is meaningless, but I am getting a little tired of the people who repeatedly suggest that T2 has made no difference to anything other than passengers pockets. The fact that the terminal cost a fortune to build is at this point irrelevant. The terminal exists, and no amount of bitching is going to change that.

As a very frequent traveller, I find it to be a much more pleasant experience than terminal one.

[stab3.5up]

I agree. wat a wastfull award

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Lufthansa declares record breaking year for UK & Ireland (http://www.incentivetravel.co.uk/airportairline/5649-lufthansa-declares-record-breaking-year-for-uk-a-ireland)

LH DUB traffic up 19.49% in 2011 and will increase further in 2012.

[Sober Lark]

Noxegon, I agree with you and it is nice that we both appreciate the 'award' winning travel experience that is T2 DUB. Although for me the feeling is somewhat diluted when I realise some of the previous 'award' winners are now on the 'unfinished housing estate lists'.

[ayroplain]

The fact that the terminal cost a fortune to build is at this point irrelevant
I'm afraid it is not one bit irrelevant. It is necessary to keep these sad facts constantly in the public eye. It must never be forgotten what a wasteful setup the DAA has been over many years so that they can never again be let run amok building monuments they (and we) cannot afford and not just at Dublin. Luckily, the recession put paid to more of their crazy grandiose plans but even so they leave behind nothing but debt, more debt and huge debt. And now some lunatic quango hands out useless awards to them for the privilege.

I was very hopeful that the new Government would, at long last, do something on the lines of what is happening (and will happen) in the UK. As it turns out, the current Minister responsible appears to be nothing more than a clone of those installed by the previous FF Governments and, in all interviews I have seen and heard, displays a similar arrogance. Same old.

[EI-A330-300]

The average tax payer are more annoyed about all the money they had to pay into the banks and not the 650million into T2 at least we get to use what we payed for.

If people are still annoyed about T2 now, they realy need to build a bridge as its there long term and all the bitching will not make T2 go away. Taxpayers money was wasted on much worse things...

It is necessary to keep these sad facts constantly in the public eye.

Its only being kept in the public eye here as the majority of people don't know and don't care about the DAA or T2 once there is an airline to take them to the sun from either T1 or T2. People have little going on in there lives if they are so bothered about T2.

[Jack1985]

T2 at least we get to use what we payed for

We didn't pay for anything. The DAA may be a semi-state asset but the cost and all debts associated with the DAA are not public debt nor is the DAA funded by the tax payer. :ugh:

[stab3.5up]

At least we have t2!!

[Tom the Tenor]

When Dublin's Terminal 2 is being praised to high heaven so much the DAA might as well create a few temporary jobs and finally complete the construction of Cork's new terminal and add in the extra few airbridges that were left outstanding - so many in Dublin it is like snuff at a wake.

And if the argument is put forward that the airlines are not prepared to use them this is what you do - make 'em or tell 'em get lost - after all, Ducksie Air uses loads of 'em around Spain apart from the Alicante whinge.

All this old guff about Dublin, Emirates 777s and fanciful flights about Lagos and South America etc - you would think that Dublin was a first rate, first class capital city.

Tell that to the poor people waiting months and months for their Medical Card applications to the processed.

Dublin and the Dublin Airport Authority, my arse!

[stab3.5up]

Wrong side of the bed this morning?

[brian_dromey]

I think a lot of posters have missed that the Taxpayer does not, in fact, pay for T2 or any of the capital requirements of the DAA, which is a semi-state body. the losses are underwritten and the DAA would benefit from its debt being underwritten by the Irish government, but does not benefit from direct funding from the taxpayers purse.

Another point missed is that T2 was planned and constructed in a time when Aer Lingus, Ryanair and other airlines were adding aircraft to their fleet and new destinations from DUB on a regular basis. T1 was derided as "third world" and "over crowded". Remember the pre-fab barding areas? T2 was very much needed.

Come on guys, you can't have it both ways?

[stab3.5up]

Is it not better to have t2 than not. The operations n costz etc well thats a whole different kettle of fish.

It must be a selling point for new carriers to at least have a look at dub as a potential destination at the very least.

[NorthernCounties]

People love to moan... it'll never change. The general population is incapable of thinking for itself, and those in the media feed on this. Throw the public a non-story and they'll lap it up, 2 days later throw a story that completely contradicts the previous story, and surprise, surprise they lap that up too.

T2 was needed, and would we really want a skanky lo-co terminal? No. T2 welcomes those flying in from... *cough* far flung destinations such as the US and Middle East (and further afield). And their first impression of Ireland is a modern, iconic terminal. First impressions count, and I think T2 is a very nice first impression for Ireland. Shame the Government can't/won't get Dublin's transport network which whether we can or can't afford to improve it is absolutely shambolic. (Which I believe subconsciously tells visitors that Irish people can't think straight.)

T2 will always have my support. :ok:

[Tom the Tenor]

T2 is fine but let us finish the job properly at the one time jewel in the crown Aer Rianta airport down here in Cork - finish the blinking air bridges as was originally planned.

[eastern wiseguy]

I have no experience of Cork. I have to say that T2 at Dublin is an absolute pleasure to use. Worth every penny.:ok:

[racedo]

T2 is fine but let us finish the job properly at the one time jewel in the crown Aer Rianta airport down here in Cork - finish the blinking air bridges as was originally planned.

€200 million spent and Cork wants more money !!!!!!

How is it going to pay for itself again ?

[Copenhagen]

Cork wants the air bridges, but doesn't want to pay for them...

[PPRuNeUser0176]

but do airlines want them?
can't see Wizz or Ryanair using them if they are not free...

[Noxegon]

I think Alicante has the right idea on this one.

If you want to use our airport, then you use air bridges. If you don't want to use the air bridges, then you're welcome to go to another airport that meets your needs better.

[mart901]

I would agree with you noxegen in principle but I think ALC backed down and have agreed to bus passengers off aircraft. If Cork want to attract something other than LCC then they need airbridges.

[840]

Don't want to drag this off onto a Cork discussion, but that demand can hardly be made when Cork has 15 stands and one airbridge. It also can't make decisions on the airport based on the desires of Wizzair and Ryanair when Aer Lingus are by far the bigger operator.

[racedo]

I think Alicante has the right idea on this one.

If you want to use our airport, then you use air bridges. If you don't want to use the air bridges, then you're welcome to go to another airport that meets your needs better.

Right.

Like Cork has a huge number of airlines that are beating a path to its door seeking to run services.

25% passenger decline over 5 years suggests otherwise.

[Tom the Tenor]

You got to re-start somewhere, racedo?

[Charlie Roy]

I have no experience of Cork. I have to say that T2 at Dublin is an absolute pleasure to use. Worth every penny.

T2 in Dublin is great except for:
When your printed out boarding pass doesn't scan at security you have to trapes down 3 flights of escalators to the Aer Lingus desk. At the security check where you put your coins and phones and coats into trays the stations are very short, people can only start sorting themselves out at the last minute. Longer stations would be so much more efficient. They had the chance to design for that and messed it up.

[eastern wiseguy]

Mr Roy,


That has never been my experience. I have found it to be a breath of fresh air compared to the cattle market of T1.

My only gripe (thus far) is the poor choice of shops after the US formalities.

As far as airbridges are concerned.....horses for courses really. LoCo's don't want to pay for them...they consider it slows down the boarding/deplaning process anyway.

Cork I suspect is a bit like my own stomping ground and is grateful for ANY services coming their way.

[Noxegon]

It'd be nice if there was a lounge after pre clearance too.

[brian_dromey]

ORK has one jet bridge at the minute and it is rarely used. If EI were to use it for LHR flights (to begin with) on a consistent basis and were to ask for / commit to use them for other routes there would be some justification, but at the minute EI are not budging and no "full service" carrier uses the airport. If Cork had a service to the US and the likes of LH offering frequent flights to FRA a second bridge could be looked at. Im sure it could be done quite quickly, as all the provisions are there, just a case of acquiring and installing the bridge.

I've only used T2 once and thought it was a great facility, why shouldn't ireland have facilities comparable to the best in the world? T2 is every bit as good as ZRH and head and shoulders above LHR, DXB, etc.

As for the public transport nightmare. CIE have run public transport since the year dot and it took them nearly two decades to implement a common ticketing/fare across Dublin. That says it all, I think.

[stab3.5up]

I agree the public transport links is its downfall

[Jack1985]

€200 million spent and Cork wants more money !!!!!!

How is it going to pay for itself again ?

Exactly. I don't even think a demand exists for more airbridges at Cork. All current airlines don't want to use it or cant use it. There's no issue at Cork for attracting flag carriers, there would be absolutely no problem in finding a vacancy for stand 9 for them to use the airbridge. The problem is the demand nor exists or the prices turn them off.

[Papa2Charlie]

Terminal 2 is a good facility but as Müller pointed out in an investor day call, it's lacking simple touches to enhance the ease of use for the airlines and hence passengers. Just a case of Irish lack of attention to detail I think (I'm Irish so pease don't jump down my throat for that comment).

Missing:-

1. Lead in lighting for stands meaning a marshaller is always required.
2. Baggage has to be manually transferred from one belt to another in the US Preclearance area when a belt could've been installed to do this.
3. Pier E was piped for fuel distribution but never connected to the fuel farm meaning tankers driving round the airport loading the fuel instead of simple pumping / metering trucks as used at alot of other major airports.
4. The short term car park was built with just two lifts and there is a queue outside just about every time I have used the car park. Can't imagine this situation will improve much when traffic picks up properly.

[stab3.5up]

Thats amazing about the fuel. surely not!!

[aer lingus]

I think the unions had something to do with that.:=

[racedo]

I think the unions had something to do with that.:=

Surely not as they wouldn't want to do anything like that................like running T2:E

[Just a spotter]

T2 is architecturally very nice. But as an exercise in efficiency, logic and easily flowing people from point a (Check in) to point b (departure gate) it’s a mess. I suspect that there was little or no consultation with process engineers in its development. T1 wasn’t any better. The current ease of use is more to do with the low passenger volumes than good design.

Like so much is the Irish State area (politicians, government, civil service and semi-states), it’s all about optics; it gives the impression of knowing what it’s about, sometimes even looks promising but fundamentally fails to deliver on doing the basics properly.

I wonder what world leading airports were visited during the design process and what elements of any were seen as worth incorporating into the design. The check-in, go up two flights of stairs to queue at narrowest part of the building in order to get through the bottle neck of security screening and then down levels to the gates area is very impressive.

What's that phrase about organising a get together to a brewery?


JAS

[heidelberg]

There is invariably a queue for the two lifts to the short term car park - I now use the stairs.
It's quicker and provides exercise!
Admittedly it is not possible to use the stairs if one has heavy cases.
Such basic incompetence by the DAA architects/engineers comes as no surprise.

[stab3.5up]

Will a new route to china be announced after the chinese visit??

[EI-A330-300]

Irish Rail plan still to have the DART connect with the airport. There Rail systems in Irelnad by 2030 was released today. Trains will operate from Cork,Belfast,Galway direct to Dublin Airport as they plan to electrify the rail lines and services can operaete through DART undergound. Although these direct services to Airport will not happen until 2025-2030. Funding is a problem and there would need to be new EMU for this to happen and seen as the current IC tran fleet is very new. The Dart link up from clongriffin is still planned to happen in a few years.

If the direct services to regional cities happen it will be great for airprot acess and services to Cork would take 2h and Galway 1h45. TBH its a plan which may not happen.

[Jamie2k9]

Over 1.1 million pasengers in Jan, down 5% on Jan 2011

UK - 475,000 down 5%
Europe -540,000 down 6%
US - 80,000 level on 2011
Middle East - 31,500 up 36%
Domestic - 3,500 down 72%

Latest News > More Than 1.1 Million Passengers In January At Dublin Airport (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/12-02-24/More_Than_1_1_Million_Passengers_In_January_At_Dublin_Airpor t.aspx)

[racedo]

Must be depressing that the only increase is for people heading off to Australia / NZ as sadly latest Irish generation spreads its wings.

[Noxegon]

I'd say that the increased figures on the middle east are likely directly related to the reduced figures for Europe.

[Jamie2k9]

Noxegon that would be part of it but Ryanair's reduction would of had the largest affect and the domestic fall will continue until July.

[stab3.5up]

Bad but not a disaster....yet.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

What happened to Jet 2 flight today. The arrival has being delayed until 11.50 tomorrow and the departure departed 90 mins late. I know it does a W from EDI.

[Sober Lark]

Eliminating flights because of higher fuel costs and other recession related cuts leads to higher fare imposition on the sector of the market who can afford to fly so we can't really say the airlines miss the ones who can't afford to fly. The DAA in DUB perhaps but not FR and EI.

[EI-A330-300]

Its being bad day all round for charter passengers with Jet 2 inbound scheduled to be 11h30m delayed and Air Contractors flights scheduled to be 18h delayed and then there is Air Contractors schedule tomorrow will have a 9h delay.

[stab3.5up]

Oh dont u just love charter flights. oh i just cant wait...roll on the summer season. oh hiw ive missed the mayhem, the techness of clapped out airliners, crews out of hours, offloading pissed up passengers. oh joys were else could you work n have such a jolly time!!!!!

[Jamie2k9]

Air Contractors had to wait for a replacement Europe Airpost aircraft to arrive from France at 17.42 but the crew were out of hours by that stage. As for Jet 2 most lightly a major tech fault as they had to position in an aircraft to operate the departure from DUB.

[Jamie2k9]

A330-200 to operarte ATL from 16 May - 27 October. Last year it was A330-300 from 1 June-30 August 2011. ATL will see improved flight times for connections. A330-200 has 59 less seats than the A330-300 but the the B767 on JFK will increase DL overall seats from DUB this summer.

ATL-DUB 18.40-07.25
DUB-ATL 09.25-11.15

DUB-JFK 11.35-13.15
JFK-DUB 20.20-08.15

The arrival time may change for JFK as both routes are doing an aircraft swap but with the A330 that can't happen from May.

Havn't done the exact figues but there will be an increase in seats for April,May,September,October but a slight reduction for June,July,August.

[stab3.5up]

Delta where very late last year in announcing the extra jfk so it is still possible that this may happen again this summer.

[stab3.5up]

Surely something interesting must be happening in dublin???

[Stevek]

Not really. Dylan Bradshaw is the first retail victim in T2 due to continuing traffic decline. :ok:

[stab3.5up]

Oh not good

[Sober Lark]

That's awful news. Just how many million passengers does a successful hair dresser need to survive thesdays?

[racedo]

Guess the Tumbleweed was messing up the Perms...............

[Tom the Tenor]

Restore Cork - Dublin asap and everything will return to normal!

FR should start Dublin Abjuja - think how much they would make in bags alone! EI start DUB - Buenos Aires.

Jim'll fix it!

[stab3.5up]

I thought that the shops in t2 got some kinda deal on start up costs etc.

[EI-A330-300]

Our airports to scrap ban on liquids next year - News, Frontpage - Herald.ie (http://www.herald.ie/news/our-airports-to-scrap-ban-on-liquids-next-year-3039703.html)

[racedo]

Not sure who it will benefit if liquids allowed as really after 5 1/2 years do you really want the hassle of carrying all that extra stuff on board that................green lime Ouzo sounds great in the shop but no way will anybody drink it at home.

[stab3.5up]

Or all the yuckie new baileys flavours!!

[j636]

What going to happen with the 12 aircraft parked in DUB from at least 4 carriers that have ceased operation across Europe over the last while. Everytime I am there the number of stored aircraft keeps growing.

[OltonPete]

j636

Rumour is that SAS might have the Spanair A320's per below

EUROPEAN AIRLINE SCENE - WEEK ENDING 03-03-12 - European Airline Scene - AirSpace blogs - Aviation & Aerospace Blogs - FlightGlobal (http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/blogs/john_dyer/archive/2012/03/02/european-airline-scene-week-ending-03-03-12.aspx)

I believe SAS have ordered A320's or said they were getting some but not sure if these were to be new or second-hand for the CPH base.

Pete