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Skipness One Echo

23rd Apr 2013, 19:44

That said, with the amount of Irish that have emigrated to Canada there must be a fast-growing VFR market to tap into.
The rest of the UK used to have regular flights from most regional airports, nearly all of which are no longer operated. The market literally got old and died, leaving only Air Transat and Air Canada based at LHR.
I am not convinced YYZ is a great choice for a year round leisure destination as Ireland Nov-Apr would seem an unlikely destination for what is a holiday airline.

Rouge is an odd hotch potch and there are many doubts withing Air Canada itself about exactly what it's about. Many are concerned it's a Jetstar type Trojan Horse. What's the size of the current DUB-YYZ market? Anyone know?

Jamie2k9

23rd Apr 2013, 20:01

2012 passengers were 99,735
2011 passengers were 86,693

Air Canada carried just under 68,000 of those in 2012, just over 21,000 of those started in DUB and finished in YYZ, TS passengers are all O&D to YYZ. YVR second for O&D after YYZ. Many people stil go via LHR as both carriers rip people off who go direct.

Cyrano

23rd Apr 2013, 20:53

The other option is to code share and free up the capacity to add another city, what else would work from Dublin? Any demand to United's hub in Houston?

Remember this is 757 capacity we're talking about here. It wouldn't have the legs to reach IAH - options are essentially northeastern US, Toronto or Montreal.

VanBosh

23rd Apr 2013, 21:20

True but was an A330 not being freed up from SNN? I know it's earmarked for west coast but still no confirms?

Any idea when they will announce the fleet expansion and the routes?

EI-BUD

23rd Apr 2013, 21:27

Many people stil go via LHR as both carriers rip people off who go direct

Jamie,

This is an interesting comment and I suspect the same is true to AerLingus and Ryanair ex Dublin. I was very interested to see the amount of passengers flying to Dublin Zurich last week who were going onwards to other EU destinations such as those in Italy.

I opted to fly Swiss and Lufthansa on my last 2 trips as the one stop option via Zurich and Frankfurt were actually a considerable bit cheaper...

EI-BUD

Sober Lark

24th Apr 2013, 06:31

EI BUD - I concur. Family trip to NCE this summer is with LH via FRA as it was almost €2k cheaper to fly LH than EI. Total journey times not at all as bad as one would imagine.

EI-BUD

24th Apr 2013, 12:12

Thanks Sober Lark.
I hold the view which has been challenged on here before that on many European routes ex Dublin, Aer Lingus and Ryanair have stubbornly high fares (especially when you compare with LH LX offers for e.g., or often making a DIY connnection in the UK through say EI/FR onto FR/EZY), and little appearance of any competition between the 2.

Clearly they wouldnt 'work together', I suspect they watch each other closely, and I think FR set their fares just behind EI's, makes commercial sense for them I suspect. May be good for LH/LX, but few will have access to that data. The softer indicators are that LX has increased frequency and employs 321, and LH has now almost all flights on 321. Suggests greater demand.

So glad that the take over didnt happen. For the reasons stated above.

EI-A330-300

24th Apr 2013, 12:58

Aer Lingus Regional flights moving to T2 from 1 May.

Hangar6

24th Apr 2013, 15:32

This will save costs on the current bussing arrangements from T1 to T2 with servos air to CBP and far more seamless transfer for UK USA pax

A better product offering a small step but at the same time from pax view a BIG difference in perception as T1 is rather tatty .....well good enough for LH BA AF etc lol

ayroplain

24th Apr 2013, 16:21

Aer Lingus Regional flights moving to T2 from 1 May.

Surprised to hear there is any room left at T2 when some EI flights still have to depart from T1. Are they really going to park ATR's at the gates?

Jack1985

24th Apr 2013, 16:27

Surprised to hear there is any room left at T2 when some EI flights still have to depart from T1. Are they really going to park ATR's at the gates?

There are two floor-level gates which act as bus gates.

Hangar6

24th Apr 2013, 17:47

Shudder work fine for 411 to 414
Once all cargo go to 111 to 118 !

Down here in AUH can't mention the airline but
World domination is planned !
And EI are part of the plan

dublinaviator

24th Apr 2013, 18:12

Surprised to hear there is any room left at T2 when some EI flights still have to depart from T1. Are they really going to park ATR's at the gates?

All EI (mainline) flights are processed through T2. What you're thinking of is some Aer Lingus aircraft using contact stands at Pier B instead of Pier E. From 1 May all EI Regional flights will be processed through T2, but aircraft may well use contact stands at Pier B instead of Pier E, or even Pier A.

I don't think passengers will see much benefit from the move unless the aircraft always park at Pier E. The benefits will mainly come from the baggage handling side of things, with EIR flights utilising T2's system, allowing it to seamlessly integrate with EI (mainline) flights.

Jamie2k9

25th Apr 2013, 11:41

Aer Lingus Regional flights will operate from Pier B, passengers will walk through the old INS gates however a bus or two may be required for some of the first departures. If they kept using Pier A they could not be processed at T2.

Etihad will operate all A330-200 through thw winter, B777 only scheduled until 26 October, however EY may of no confirmed their winter schedules yet.

Turkish Airlines 10 weekly to IST continues through the winter, was planned to remain daily. From 30 March 2014 TK will increase IST 10 to 12 weekly

EI-A330-300

30th Apr 2013, 12:31

Dublin Airport Authority's top executives are being strongly encouraged to volunteer for shifts at airport security in T1

Hangar6

30th Apr 2013, 12:38

Ah now maybe I see why EIR pax were moved to T2 , takes a considerable load off T1 security ,

ayroplain

30th Apr 2013, 12:48

The DAA should urgently send someone over to Gatwick to learn how to run an airport with the interest of passengers in mind.

When BAA ran Gatwick it was a dump but it has now been transformed - I'm not saying perfect. The Security operation is geared to get pax through fast. On my recent visits there were about 15-20 people at each channel as I arrived. Within minutes two more were up and running and some pax were moved to these. I was through in about 5 minutes. Contrast that with DAA/DUB T1 where they have long, long queues taking up to an hour (someone here reported even longer than that a few weeks ago) with only 4 out of 13 channels open and nobody giving a highlanders. This is a completely unacceptable situation.

Gatwick's lounge seating has been good and their latest version upstairs is positively luxurious. Meanwhile at DUB you get seats of hard cold steel. God help your backside if your flight is delayed.

Whoever designed the toilets at DUB must never actually have travelled through an airport on their way to somewhere.

PS I started typing this before the previous two posts!!

EI-A330-300

30th Apr 2013, 14:24

This news comes out today whent he DAA reveal 43 million profit for 2012 up 66% on 2011 while operating costs were 8% below 2008 levels dispite T2 bieng opened at DUB.

Press Releases > Resilient Performance At DAA As Profits And Passenger Numbers Increase In 2012 (http://www.daa.ie/gns/media-centre/press-releases/13-04-30/Resilient_Performance_At_DAA_As_Profits_And_Passenger_Number s_Increase_In_2012.aspx)

If only they didn't allow so many security staff leave.

Cyrano

5th May 2013, 22:15

Apologies if this has already been answered - I couldn't find it in a search.

What US-bound flights do not clear CBP in Dublin this summer season? Is it only EI's 2 BOS and 1 ORD or are any others (DL, AA,...) similarly afflicted? I may have a US trip coming up and want to ensure I'm only considering itineraries with precleared flights.

Thanks!
C.

Jamie2k9

5th May 2013, 22:42

Yes everything clears apart form the above EI ones.

Delta have added a little more capacity to the 10 weekly JFK flights, currently all scheduled with a B763. It was 3 B763 an 7 B764.

Thomas Cook have added an extra weekly flight to Reus and Mahon on Mondays.

Mahon - 24 June-12 August
Reus - 17 June-19 August
Avion Express will operate both.

Jamie2k9

9th May 2013, 13:31

Over 1.6 million passengers in April up 1% (not bad considering a lot of Easter traffic was handled in March)

Europe - 854,000 level on 2012
UK - 577,000 up 1%
Transatlantic - 135,000 up 10%
Middle East/Africa - 41,000 up 13%
Domestic - 5,000 up 7%

Almost 5.5 million passengers year to date up 3%

Latest News > Over 1.6 Million Passengers Travelled Through Dublin Airport In April (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/13-05-09/Over_1_6_Million_Passengers_Travelled_Through_Dublin_Airport _In_April.aspx)

EI-A330-300

10th May 2013, 11:32

A 6 month trial of E Gates at border control started today. located at Pier A and D.

EI-A330-300

12th May 2013, 19:51

Jack1985

12th May 2013, 20:08

Ryanair will be moving to Area 13 check in soon, thats the basment for anybody who dosn't know. The main departure level in T1 will be empty when it happens. Wonder why the move, good offer from the DAA?

I believe so, but are they planning on removing some of the desks from the main departure level in T1? Would be an ideal location for some retail and revenue.

Jamie2k9

12th May 2013, 20:15

14 is downstairs area 13 is the last set of desks and it because of the internal baggage hall works.

Jack the plan was to go like T2 check in. Area 1 & 2 went with new security area and some may end up going with the baggage hall works. T1 departures relay needs work done on it.

LAX_LHR

15th May 2013, 12:11

Etihad A340-600 A6-EHJ will be one of many aircraft performing a fly past in Dublin city centre on 15th September.

The aircraft will be used on the normal afternoon MAN flight and use its down time performing the fly past at Dublin.

Skipness One Echo

15th May 2013, 17:05

*cough* Context....
Yahoo! News UK & Ireland - Latest World News & UK News Headlines (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/city-host-international-flypast-140143272.html#SEP4Dyh)

dubh12000

16th May 2013, 07:15

LAX_LHR

16th May 2013, 22:38

Yep Etihad got some very nice birds. The A330-300 in the purple Abu Dhabi scheme is a very close second to the A340-600 F1 scheme.

EI-A330-300

17th May 2013, 11:49

Over 100 extra flights have being scheduled to/from France over the weekend, over 30,000 passengers expected.

KeyPilot

23rd May 2013, 09:11

Can anyone tell me the name of the senior manager at DUB (I believe he is the de facto MD, but the title may be slightly different) who (i) is a Liverpudlian and (ii) was at BHX previously?

He is a friend of a family friend and I want to get back in contact, but it's a bit embarassing as I've forgotten his name!

Thanks all!

EI-A330-300

23rd May 2013, 10:55

Here is info on management and board of the DAA.

Company Profile - Overview (http://www.daa.ie/gns/company-profile/overview.aspx)

EI-A330-300

24th May 2013, 17:37

Glad to see there has being some sort of improvement with security waiting times.

Jamie2k9

24th May 2013, 17:46

Increases over winter 2012/3
Aberdeen 10 weekly up 3
Alicante 3 weekly up 1
Boston 11 weekly up 4 *
Budapest 5 weekly up 1
Cardiff 17 weekly up 4
Faro 4 weekly up 1
Geneva daily **
Hamburg daily up 2
Lanzarote daily up 2
Lisbon daily up 2
Malaga 8 weekly up 1
Munich 12 weekly up 1
Nice 5 weekly up 1
Paris 4 daily up 7
Zurich 9 weekly up 2

* operates 10 weekly 27 Nov-11 Dec
** operates 9 weekly from 14 December up 1

Reductions over winter 2012/13
Bristol 6 weekly down 10
Isle of Man 10 weekly down 2
Warsaw 3 weekly down 3-4
Southend 6 weekly down 15

Cancelled for winter
Bucharest (2) Cancelled on 30 April
Bournemouth (3-4)
Stuttgart (3)
Verona (3)

Changes possible but some of Bristol reduction transferred to Cardiff while SEN see's a major drop in capacity, not a surprise IMO. BRS route schedules seen just aimed at T/A connections while the same for SEN. ABZ has T/A restored for winter an improved times with an 07.30 departure from Dublin 3 days a week.

Air France dropping a daily CDG flight in March has benefited EI by added capacity during the summer and even more for winter. Alicante, Zurich, Hamburg will have T/A connections for winter. Only route that loses them is Stockholm.

BHX and MAN only showing EI flights for winter same as last year, EIR are showing again from late March 2014. Could just be to early for them to decide since either have not started yet.

New York showing no reduction in the New Year even though last years full reduction only lasted a few week and started to build back up from mid Feb. Next week's rumoured announcement from EI should confirmed T/A schedules for 2014.

planenut321

24th May 2013, 17:59

Are all these currently on sale, CWL isn't showing any flights for this Winter yet..

Jamie2k9

24th May 2013, 18:20

Most is except some of the EIR flights are loaded but not showing, but the schedules are showing in the timetable.

Cyrano

24th May 2013, 18:25

I confess I'm really surprised at that apparent cut on DUB-BRS in particular which is completely throwing away the local market to Ryanair. Is there any possibility that there's another aircraft or two worth of EIR capacity still to be loaded into the schedules?

EI-A330-300

24th May 2013, 18:38

Everytime I have flower to BRS with EIR the morning flight is full of US passengers and the evening flight has very few on it. I estimate that at least 70% of passengers on the route are connecting.

Cian

24th May 2013, 20:45

The last LGW-DUB on Saturday evenings seems to have been dropped again. :sad: Dropped 26th October, restored on 30th March. I've made extensive use of this to save on overnights (or travelling on FR).

Shamrock350

24th May 2013, 20:51

It's a shame Southend is dropping to 6 weekly, that's quite a pathetic schedule after all the talk of a fourth rotation which seems even more unlikely when you realise there are only 2 flights on some days during the summer. I wonder how happy Aer Lingus are with that, could Aer Arann only be staying on the route because of Stobart?

If Aer Arann can't make SEN-DUB work with the Aer Lingus brand then there is little chance of Stobarts plans for a SEN base succeeding, might want to think about leaving Aer Arann to flourish with Aer Lingus Regional instead of dreaming of ATRs buzzing around Southend and Europe.

Hangar6

24th May 2013, 21:04

Not finalised for EI or EIR as yet fleet issues deliveries
Etc etc:=

Shamrock350

24th May 2013, 21:14

Dropping to 6 weekly does seem a big reduction to be the final schedule, a 2 daily operation with daily in mid week seems reasonable to me.

I still don't see Stobarts plan of an Aer Arann SEN base working out but that's another debate.

Jack1985

24th May 2013, 21:18

As Hangar 6 points out the schedules are not finalised and Bristol, Southend will not be reduced to six weekly - clerical error with morning flights just being loaded.

Also to point out route cancellations are not confirmed, Jamie2k9 this is pure speculation on your part by reading timetables.

Hangar6

24th May 2013, 21:19

If they go for the two ATRs they have on provisional order then it will happen for sure S14:ok:

Shamrock350

24th May 2013, 21:30

I have no doubt a SEN base is going to happen, Stobart pretty much confirmed they intend to replicate the Aer Lingus Regional at SEN but whether or not it will work out is a different story. Maybe it will depend on the franchise they choose to operate.

Hangar6

24th May 2013, 21:36

Well EI will finance a third of the two aircraft.....so green paint at least but your right next summer is an aviation unknown for any non ME carrier

EI-A330-300

24th May 2013, 21:38

Aer Lingus announced there full winter schedules yesterday, regional may still have changes.

Also to point out route cancellations are not confirmed, Jamie2k9 this is pure speculation on your part by reading timetables.

At least 2 or the 3 will be dropped for winter and Jamie2k9 may well just be going by the timetable but I think he has taken a number of other indicators into consideration. Aer Lingus destroyed DUB-STR route last winter and I am not surprised its being dropped.

Jack you do have a chip on your shoulder when it comes to Jamie2k9....

Jack1985

24th May 2013, 21:52

For the last 3 years now Regional has never been fully finalised until July for its Winter Schedules and until February for its Summer schedules. I was fully referring to Regional in my post. And EI-A330-300 I'm not interested in childish behaviour, and frankly if I've a problem with someone I say it outright and am fully not interested in this childish milark you're trying to put across, I enjoy many of Jamie's contributions however I am just giving my input.

Jack1985

24th May 2013, 21:54

Also what kind of remark is this? Aer Lingus destroyed DUB-STR route last winter and I am not surprised its being dropped. They've been around a lot longer than yourself and I'm pretty sure op's know exactly what they are doing.

EI-A330-300

24th May 2013, 22:06

Just one final comment on BRS thing, the route is now operated by all 42's instead of 72's which shows demand has dropped a lot. With there only being 3 42's in the fleet you can see the situation EI are in, if a 72's is to large for the route and there isn't a 42 available to operate the afternoon the best decision is to cancel the afternoon services instead of running a larger aircraft. The 42's are used a lot more in winter and they even do the odd EDI and GLA in winter.

A route that started with 3 daily 72's dropped to 2 daily 72 has now dropped to 2 daily 42 apart from the odd extra flight on selected days which was 72 at the time and now a 42 as well.

They've been around a lot longer than yourself and I'm pretty sure op's know exactly what they are doing.

Not sure about that....

CelticRambler

25th May 2013, 15:40

How does this work? Publicity stunt at Dublin Airport (https://www.facebook.com/events/171569843006960) Someone telephones the DAA, asks if it would be OK to drive a relic of WW2, complete with a bunch of nutters carrying items that would definitely not clear security, up to the doors of T2 and the DAA say "yeah, whatever ..." ?

Or is it just the French choosing which rules to follow, à la carte? :E

Jamie2k9

25th May 2013, 20:24

I did say changes are possible......

Also to point out route cancellations are not confirmed, Jamie2k9 this is pure speculation on your part by reading timetables.

That may be the case but I have also considered passenger numbers and notes on promotions.

Loads last winter.
DUB-STR
November 25.5
December 51.5
January 34.7
February 43.3

Was a little better during winter 2011/12/

DUB-VRN
November 30.6
December 35.9
January 36.5
February 50.3

Could see them possibly operating a weekly flight for ski season instead of 3 weekly for the whole winter.

BOH is just about viable at 4 weekly in March, April and most of May and for winter I can't see its being sustainable over the winter even if its reduced.

MARKEYD

25th May 2013, 21:59

Loads on the BOH DUB route in winter averaged about 45 pax on an ATR 72 a/c with services 4 a week

Obviously its all down to yield , even with an ATR 42 operating now its still not enough , very frustrating

EI-A330-300

28th May 2013, 14:53

Anyone know what the problem was with UA944 ORD-FRA that diverted in just before 05.00. Expected departure to FRA is at 06.50 tomorrow.

BFS BHD

28th May 2013, 15:01

There was a problem with the weather radar system on the aircraft was firstly going to go to BFS but the main runway at BFS was close for works so DUB was his 2nd airport :)

EI-A330-300

30th May 2013, 13:00

Dublin Airport Terminal 1 to get major facelift - Independent.ie (http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/dublin-airport-terminal-1-to-get-major-facelift-29307341.html)

Its being long over due.

Sober Lark

30th May 2013, 14:17

Whilst renovations are taking place it seems they are contemplating closing T1 and putting everyone into T2 then to alleviate congestion in T2 due to strikes and delays at T1, Ryanair will offer to help out by building their own T3.

LAX_LHR

30th May 2013, 19:19

Norwegian airline Flynonstop will run a new flight to Kristiansand, Norway from 28th October.

Flights will be 2 weekly on Thu and Sun.

EI-A330-300

30th May 2013, 20:07

Do you have a link to the story as nothing on there website from what I can see.

IrishFlyer2013

30th May 2013, 20:13

It mentions DUB in the box on the right hand side of the the flynonstop website. They are adding ALC as well.

FlyNonstop tilbyr nonstop flyvninger fra Kjevik Barcelona, Berlin, Dubrovnik, London, Nice, Palma, Paris og Parma. (http://flynonstop.no/)

EI-A330-300

30th May 2013, 20:23

Thanks for that, I was looking at English version.

LAX_LHR

30th May 2013, 20:47

The airline are starting a variety of destinations this winter. Nice scheme on their aircraft too, so wish them the best of luck.

j636

4th Jun 2013, 22:03

Another day at T2 and this morning just before 11.00 a fault caused the whole check in system to crash. I missed my flight and I expect many more did. There was at least 10 rows of passengers queuing across the terminal between desks 29 and 52 when I was leaving at 12.00. Many flights were due to depart before 13.00. I was only going to London but wonder what passengers going to places less frequently served are going to get there.

Hangar6

4th Jun 2013, 22:43

Stopped already it seams?

Jack1985

5th Jun 2013, 12:06

As I said before all Aer Lingus Regional flights loaded with notable increases from Dublin to Bristol. London-Southend unchanged at 3x daily.

j636

7th Jun 2013, 13:24

United have officially confirmed the airline is looking closely at SFO service using there B787. although nothing announced today they said it was being consodered and an ideal route for the 787. Would post a link but using IPhone.

Officals from the airline were in Dublin celebrating 15 years in Ireland and new ORD service from SNN.
So will it be EI or UA?

Aerlingus231

7th Jun 2013, 13:33

Here's the link:
http://www.ittn.ie/bulletins/united-dreaming-of-non-stop-dublin-san-francisco/

My bet ould be with EI launching it as they've pretty much got the aircraft ready to go once the the 757's come in January.

j636

7th Jun 2013, 13:35

Maybe but would the route not be more viable on the 787?

With EI and UA cost operation anything is possible.

Aerlingus231

7th Jun 2013, 13:38

I'd say it's viable with both, but keep in mind Aer Lingus have known that they'll likely be launching this route all year long and will have been working on securing contracts from companies to purchase a block number of seats, also Aer Lingus have the Regional feed from the UK that UA wouldn't have which could be a big deciding factor when it comes to it.

Jamie2k9

7th Jun 2013, 15:43

Almost 1.9 million passengers in May up 9%

Europe 1 million up 10%
UK 608,000 up 8%
T/A 176,000 up 18%
Middle East/Africa 39,000 up 7%
Domestic 5,700 up 5%

Year to date over 7.3 million up 4%

Latest News > Just Under 1.9M Passengers Travelled Through Dublin Airport In May (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/13-06-07/Just_Under_1_9M_Passengers_Travelled_Through_Dublin_Airport_ In_May.aspx)

Sheenab1983

7th Jun 2013, 21:53

Wonder if there would be need for Dublin based CC on the Dub Sfo route with United, would be very interested in this as I have family in SF...

Jamie2k9

17th Jun 2013, 22:47

Aer Lingus:
An extra 18 flights have being added between 27 July and 31 August, extra capacity across the network to Alicante, Budapest, Faro, Lisbon, Malaga and Paris.

Ibiza season has being extended from 16 September to 28 September and operates two weekly from 16.

Delta:
DL to keep the B763 on JFK after 5 September and not switch back to the B752.

Winter 2013/4:
Lufthansa back to all A321 for the winter season from 27 October, route lost a A321 rotation on 28 October 2012.

Norwegian 3rd weekly OSL service restored for most of the winter season and operates from 29 October to 17 December and then resumes 4 March again. HEL appears to be seasonal.

Turkish Airlines continuing 10 weekly for the winter season.

American operating JFK 4 weekly for the winter season.

Flynonstop's new two weekly service to KRS. (TBH I will be surprised if it even starts)

IrishFlyer2013

24th Jun 2013, 12:14

Falcon Holidays have added two new routes from Dublin to Ibiza & Rhodes for Summer 2014.

http://travelbiz.ie/newsstory/Falcon_adds_Rhodes_Ibiza_for_2014

There Summer 2014 schedule will come out on Thursday.

ayroplain

24th Jun 2013, 23:42

Thanks for the info, Jamie.

Aer Lingus:
An extra 18 flights have being added between 27 July and 31 August, extra capacity across the network to Alicante, Budapest, Faro, Lisbon, Malaga and Paris.
Where are they going to fit these into Dublin. I was there last week and several T/A arrivals were sitting out on the taxiways for ages waiting for a stand. Pier B in T1 (the 300 Series Gates) was awash with T2 overflow EI pax (among one rogue BA) with constant calls being made for their missing ones who, seemingly, may have got lost having had to check in at T2 only to discover they had to walk to T1. One couple actually stopped and asked me did I know where 311 was!!!

It is becoming increasingly evident that T2 was not only built in the wrong place but is also far too small. I hope the heady days don't return soon as, when it does, that area of the airport is facing meltdown congestion chaos with aircraft trying to get into and out of two cul-de-sacs as well as avoiding traffic heading to the 28 hold.

It was interesting watching Heathrow Live on BBC the other night in that they were determined to not have cul-de-sacs associated with the rebuilt T2. Forward thinking unlike the incompetent DAA.

Jamie2k9

25th Jun 2013, 01:24

Where are they going to fit these into Dublin. I was there last week and several T/A arrivals were sitting out on the taxiways for ages waiting for a stand. Pier B in T1 (the 300 Series Gates) was awash with T2 overflow EI pax (among one rogue BA) with constant calls being made for their missing ones who, seemingly, may have got lost having had to check in at T2 only to discover they had to walk to T1. One couple actually stopped and asked me did I know where 311 was!!!

It is becoming increasingly evident that T2 was not only built in the wrong place but is also far too small. I hope the heady days don't return soon as, when it does, that area of the airport is facing meltdown congestion chaos with aircraft trying to get into and out of two cul-de-sacs as well as avoiding traffic heading to the 28 hold.

It was interesting watching Heathrow Live on BBC the other night in that they were determined to not have cul-de-sacs associated with the rebuilt T2. Forward thinking unlike the incompetent DAA.

The T/A arrivals sitting waiting for stands is because they have arrived before their slot times and airlines are told that stands may not be available if the arrival is before the scheduled time. Happens at other airports so not just DUB.

I am sick and tired of hearing this departure/arrival at Pier B and people being annoyed when the walk is no different.

Posted on another forum a few weeks ago.
Furthest point of Pier E to T2 exit 589m
Furthest point of Pier B to T2 exit 587m
Furthest point of Pier D to T1 exit 840m, while the closest point is 607m

If people have such a love for T1 then fly with Ryanair but that would be to easy as people would have nothing to give out about.

Joined Terminals happens all over the world and one airport which you walk for a lot longer is at Malaga, EI use T3 to check in but departure gate is at old terminal as are arrivals. Ryanair use T2 yet all passengers use T3 security. Do we see people complaining, no because they know no different.

As for passenger incompetence, not a lot airlines can do, it doesn't take the sharpest tool in the box to read the gate on the boarding pass ie 3xx and follow the very large sign saying gates 3xx to 3xx with a big arrow beside it. Clearly signed all the way.

As for the extra flights, most have a 10.30 departure, have not looked at the schedule in great detail but they may use the leased A320 which is hasn't got a regular schedule AFAIK.

Paul_from_Dublin

25th Jun 2013, 10:38

Complaints about "confusion" finding the 300 gates after check in in T2 appears in print and on forums every so often. The deal at every airport is: you look at the information monitor, note your departure gate, follow the clear signs until you get to your gate. It's the same here. Where exactly is the difficulty???

I have no connection with Dublin Airport except as a passenger every 10 weeks or so. I have been a harsh critic of the place until the opening of T2. I now find it's a pleasure to pass through either departing or arriving using T1 and T2.

I have had bad experiences at JFK, Newark, Paris CDG, Berlin Tegel, and London Heathrow. I have had outstandingly bad experiences at Philadelphia, Washington Dulles and Montevideo but the daddy of them all was at Los Angeles. Pretty much all of this was caused by chaotic crowd management in hopelessly overloaded facilities. Compared to these incidents there is little of substance to complain about at Dublin. (Always room for improvement though).

It is striking however that people complained about overcrowding at Dublin and then when T2 opened, (the same?) people complained about a white elephant.

I understand that when you work behind the scenes of any industry sometimes keeping the show on the road can be fraught but from this passenger's perspective it's a pleasure to use DUB - for now.

lfc84

25th Jun 2013, 11:15

from this passenger's perspective it's a pleasure to use DUB

i have the completely opposite point of view and experience

Hangar6

25th Jun 2013, 11:55

Only big issue for me is the failure to go ahead with the extra runway,
A good time to build it is now before the airport gets even busier...

vkid

25th Jun 2013, 12:55

"i have the completely opposite point of view and experience"

I'd agree. Not a fan of the place at all.

dublinaviator

25th Jun 2013, 12:57

Dublin doesn't need a second runway, there is plenty of excess capacity in the current runway available. What it does need is a runway extension, along with wider taxiways and apron/stand modifications in order to accommodate larger aircraft.

However, the point above regarding Pier E not being big enough is 100% correct. It was well documented before T2 was even built that it and it's associated piers would be severely capacity constrained with little or no room available for expansion. The DAA and the government dismissed this at the time that DAA were awarded the contract to build the new terminal, but yet here we are now discussing the result of bad planning. There may be room to build an additional pier on the site of the current Cargo area, but that is about as much as T2 can expand.

I expect that within 5 years a third terminal will have to built West of the airport in order to accommodate future growth (hopefully by a private contractor), which is where T2 should've been built to begin with.

Jack1985

25th Jun 2013, 13:08

Dublin doesn't need a second runway, there is plenty of excess capacity in the current runway available

I second that, just look at Gatwick - It can show how effectively infrastructure can be used approaching 40M pax.

I expect that within 5 years a third terminal will have to built West of the airport in order to accommodate future growth (hopefully by a private contractor), which is where T2 should've been built to begin with.

I've never understood with the location of the previous Dublin Airport (before T2) that the DAA didn't follow the planning of Munich i.e. where they plan to build the second runway they could have built expansion between the two which is much more effective land use.

Jamie2k9

25th Jun 2013, 13:40

Dublin doesn't need a second runway, there is plenty of excess capacity in the current runway available

I second that, just look at Gatwick - It can show how effectively infrastructure can be used approaching 40M pax.

While it doesn't need a second runway, the current 10/28 will have to be closed and rebuild in the future. Its not is best condition.

I expect that within 5 years a third terminal will have to built West of the airport in order to accommodate future growth (hopefully by a private contractor), which is where T2 should've been built to begin with.

Expect it to be a lot longer. Third terminal won't happen until.

Pier F built which will have around 13 gates for short haul aircraft, that would solve all problems at Pier E.

Pier B is redeveloped like Pier E but will have around 30 gates with air bridges. Was planned in two stages. I think there was better connection plans to T2 as well.

Pier A is redeveloped like Pier D and will have around 20 gates no air bridges.

Pier G is built at the other side of Pier D and it turns off which will have around 15 gates, no air bridges.

Pier D can be extended and there was early plans for that and it was 8 extra gates.

Largely all wider aircraft will use B and F however other piers can take them.

Now as capacity will be needed over the next 8 or 9 years, it will be either Pier F or first phase of Pier B. I would build Pier F first and solve all problems that they currently have.

This year passenger numbers will likely be just below 20 million if current trends continue, couldn't see over 20 unless Ryanair do add capacity from September.

Hangar6

26th Jun 2013, 13:07

Worth noting this is one of those virtual travel companies like manx2 !!
No AOC so is not an airline rather it is a travel company

Plan is to use denimair 100 sweater jet....just make sure no one pays them cash use a credit card and good luck !!!

Shamrogue

26th Jun 2013, 13:41

HI,

I frequently use Dublin Airport - I love T2........most of the time. Check-in when flying TA with a bag can have long check-in delays for EI.
And security can be slow - but not bad. When flying UA on the Atlantic I've found it really quick with US immigration a whizz. The last day I passed along a lady infront of me called a buddy in the UK to tell the buddy "Next time you are heading to the US - go via Dublin - the place is lovely, new and the immigration is brilliant". The lowcost terminal has a walk to it - but it's not bad.
And a whole world of a difference from before. As travelling via Heathrow - even on Dub - and finishing in LONDON gives me a pain.

Regards
Shamrogue

Jamie2k9

27th Jun 2013, 09:47

Includes the new routes posted above all operate by Thomson, no Thomson W flights into SNN while DUB will operate SNN/ORK-REU. Around 5 days of flying to have carrier advised.

ayroplain

27th Jun 2013, 23:21

As for passenger incompetence, not a lot airlines can do, it doesn't take the sharpest tool in the box to read the gate on the boarding pass ie 3xx and follow the very large sign saying gates 3xx to 3xx with a big arrow beside it. Clearly signed all the way.
Ah, the same old story:) - by people who know every inch of the airport and can't understand how less familiar or first time pax can get confused. The actual placement of signs is all important. "Follow the signs" is easy to say. At the point where the couple asked for my help in getting to the 3xx gates they had, presumably, followed the signs from T2 but were now faced with a large sign indicating the direction to take to Gates 1xx, (Pier D) but nothing for 3xx so it is likely that they might have suspected that they missed a turn somewhere. Yes, you are correct, there was a large 3xx sign further up the corridor. The only problem was that some bright spark in the DAA had decided to hang another sign in front of it (VAT or something) so it was obscured from that position. If the second (and less important sign) needed to go up there it could have been placed to one side rather than in front of the main sign but you're asking a lot of the DAA to work that one out.

Mlinnie

3rd Jul 2013, 21:50

Latest News > DAA Welcomes Two New Aer Lingus Transatlantic Services (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/13-07-03/DAA_Welcomes_Two_New_Aer_Lingus_Transatlantic_Services.aspx)

Jamie2k9

5th Jul 2013, 19:14

Luxair have announced that they will resume their 4 weekly service to Luxembourg from 30 March 2014, flights will operate with a Q400 which is also a capacity increase from the ERJ145 they used to operate.

Wort.lu - Luxair resumes direct flights to Dublin (http://www.wort.lu/en/view/luxair-resumes-direct-flights-to-dublin-51d6de22e4b02fa5029c13b7)

Jamie2k9

8th Jul 2013, 00:31

Second runway at Dublin Airport to be deferred - Tourism News | Travel & Tourism Industry News | The Irish Times - Mon, Jul 08, 2013 (http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/transport-and-tourism/second-runway-at-dublin-airport-to-be-deferred-1.1455995)

Had expected it would be 2019 before it would be built, hopefully they have a plan for 10/28.

Fairdealfrank

8th Jul 2013, 16:05

The UK government dithering do nothing approach really is not one that should be copied.

Sober Lark

8th Jul 2013, 20:42

Why can't they just improve and extend the one they've got?

Cian

8th Jul 2013, 21:54

Why can't they just improve and extend the one they've got?

Its falling to bits. Actual foundations, not the very recently redone surface.

They need the second runway built so that the existing 10/28 can be torn up and rebuilt from scratch.

Waste €1 Billion plus on a Terminal......

The 1Bn didn't cover T2, it covered the entire improvement plan including amongst other things the Pier D that your mate MOLly now relies on.

Except, of course, you actually already knew that didn't you, but you prefer to repeat Molly's gibberish.

Jack1985

8th Jul 2013, 21:57

Also that €1bn included the introduction of HS taxiways.

Aerlingus231

8th Jul 2013, 21:59

Lets see waste €200 million on an airport that has maximum of 3 million passengers a years and will never pay for itself.

Waste €1 Billion plus on a Terminal......

Why would they extend the runway...............no brownie points for that

What airport are you talking about with 3 million passengers a year? This is the Dublin thread, 19+ million passengers a year...

What Terminal are you talking about that cost €1 Billion? This is the Dublin Thread, the most recent terminal, T2 only cost €600m.

They need a new runway as the current one should probably be defined as a gravel runway, that's why.

Aerlingus231

8th Jul 2013, 22:01

Also that €1bn included the introduction of HS taxiways.

Don't forget it also included Ryanair's precious Pier D...

Of course, why let the facts get in the way of a good DAA / Irish Government / Aer Lingus bashing, eh Racedo?

Sober Lark

10th Jul 2013, 07:06

For that type of spend I'd have expected more than what seems to have turned out to be a salvage exercise on 10/28.

Jamie2k9

10th Jul 2013, 10:10

2 million passengers in June up 6%

Europe 1.1 million up 8%
UK 612,000 up 2%
Transatlantic 212,000 up 18%
Middle East/Africa 45,000 up 6%
Domestic 6,000 up 14%

Year to date 9.3 million up 5%

Latest News > Two Million Passengers Used Dublin Airport in June (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/13-07-10/Two_Million_Passengers_Used_Dublin_Airport_in_June.aspx)

vkid

11th Jul 2013, 10:20

Folks,

Flying to Cardiff from dublin with EIR next week at 6.50. Whats the security queue like at the moment or what time would I need to be at the airport..having checked in online.

Just trying to figure out whether I need to go to Dublin the night before or not. Any info appreciated

Thanks

EI-A330-300

11th Jul 2013, 10:51

Arrive 90 minutes before flight, it is July the busiest month of the year so it will be busy.

If you are doing a bag drop then allow at least 2 hours.

vkid

11th Jul 2013, 11:43

Perfect ! Thanks

Economics101

11th Jul 2013, 12:01

Runway 10-28 at Dublin was built in 1989, and as such is relatively new. I realise that any heavily-used runway will need resurfacing every few years, but if the problem, as alleged in previous posts, is a more fundamental one, i.e. bad or crumbling foundations, then this is scandalous. Presumably a runway build in the 747 era should be expected to have an adequate specification to cope with all current aircraft types. How come runways at Heathrow, Gatwick, Manchester and loads of other places do not seem to need much radical reconstruction, only resurfacing?

Yet another Irish construction sector scandal, or am I missing something?

Mlinnie

14th Jul 2013, 17:05

The long, prosperous and successful Minoan Air Oxford era is to end on 4th August :ok:

Jamie2k9

21st Jul 2013, 00:20

Delta
JFK - B763 replaces B757 for the winter.
ATL - Mix of B764 and B763 for the winter, capacity increased but freq remains 5 weekly. The route is suspended between 12 Jan to 9 March. When it returns a B764 will be replaced by a B763 until 30 March when the A332 starts on the route just over two months ahead of this summer but a lot can change between now and then.

United
IAD - overall remains the same however the 4 weekly period in the new year is a few weeks less, the fifth weekly flight resumes late Feb.

American Airlines
JFK - 4 weekly B757 (new)

There is also the extra capacity form Aer Lingus which was posted earlier.

Hangar6

21st Jul 2013, 12:13

EI schedule is as consistent as ever
BA looks odd , a real turn off for a one day business trip in either direction ?
And DubLhr first flight in the six days it operates it as three diff departure
Times ? Odd but much less competition for EI?

Sober Lark

25th Jul 2013, 18:30

EI-A330-300

25th Jul 2013, 21:30

bannercounty

25th Jul 2013, 23:11

Ms. Ciara Carroll spokesperson for Dublin Airport Authority contacted RTE radio this afternoon to clarify "Dublin airport could handle an A380 and wouldn't have to disembark passengers by bus that they would use air bridges." Should we be impressed?

Strange that she'd ring in because a fair few airports can cater for the A380 without using buses! It would just take longer than normal to disembark via an airbridge because of accessibility from the lower level only. We happily had an air bridge in SNN accommodating an A380 on 29.6.06.

Sober Lark

26th Jul 2013, 09:09

Ahh come on 330. How could you not poke fun at Ciara's statement? Who in their right mind would give them one of their A380's to handle?

GCUFD

26th Jul 2013, 12:44

Is there a context to this? I take it the DAA (or daa, as they are soon to be) don't randomly ring up RTE to say "we can take an A380 any time you like." I mean, would anyone with an A380 be listening?

ayroplain

26th Jul 2013, 13:56

" I mean, would anyone with an A380 be listening?
ROFL.

Yes, it would be nice if someone could tell us what prompted said woman to pick up the phone and ring RTE.

Sober Lark

26th Jul 2013, 14:26

Re: Context - I heard the DAA comments whilst driving and they were made at the end of the show. They related to an earlier piece they had which I didn't hear but which I have now listened back. Gerry Byrne aviation journalist was being interviewed by Derek Mooney and he passed a remark that if 'An A380 landed at Dublin Airport it would have to sit out on the runway and bus the passengers in and out.' The DAA comment came close to the end of the program. Judging by the warmth of the greeting, both RTE presenters seem to know the spokes person for DAA very well and the statement was read out. Like Gerry, I have my doubts that Dublin is A380 ready but it appears the DAA don't like someone having a dig.

stab3.5up

26th Jul 2013, 14:36

I believe that DUB is a designated diversion airport for AirFrance in case of emergency with an A380 and that there is provision at end of T2 to accomadate one at an angle with an airbridge to disembark passengers.

ryan2000

26th Jul 2013, 17:00

Does anyone know the minimum Runway lenght for an A380? They don't appear to use much more than other wide bodies at LHR and AMS.

Aerlingus231

26th Jul 2013, 17:20

Less than a 747 anyways IIRC. But it all depends on weight, wind conditions, temperature, obstacle clearance, air pressure and more...

ryan2000

26th Jul 2013, 17:25

Thanks Aerlingus 231, logistics of handling them seems to be more to do with turning them around efficiently rather than airfield performance. Of course taxiway widths are probably a factor but again any airport capable of handling a 777-300 or an advanced A340 should be able to cope.

DubWannabeNerd

27th Jul 2013, 23:28

Evening all,

I was on the EI169 from Heathrow on Friday evening and the pilot "discontinued" the landing. He said that there was a plane stopped on the runway and we circled round and landed no problem. About half an hour later as I was leaving the terminal building, another EI plane fly over the terminal low and level so I reckon that they did the same thing. Just wondering if this was just down to the bad weather and landings were being affected? Cant think of any other reason, just thought it was unusual for 2 to happen so soon after each other. Any insight would be appreciated.

Thanks

Aerlingus231

27th Jul 2013, 23:37

Yeh, plenty of go-arounds and diversions over the last few days due to the weather. If you know the rough time frame your flight arrived in at you can look up the Dublin Airport archives on liveatc.net for that particular period and listen out for your flight...

EI-A330-300

28th Jul 2013, 00:50

Was passing the airport earlier and what looked like an American Airlines aircraft was surrounded by emergency services. It was around 19.00.

Una Due Tfc

28th Jul 2013, 22:19

I've always been told the taxiways in Dub are not able to support an A380 and would be crushed! Not enough room for them to turn safely either

ryan2000

29th Jul 2013, 06:09

It'll interesting to see how the A380 manages at SNN tomorrow. Some of the taxiway's there are nor particularly wide.

confused atco

29th Jul 2013, 14:46

I've always been told the taxiways in Dub are not able to support an A380 and would be crushed! Not enough room for them to turn safely either

It'll interesting to see how the A380 manages at SNN tomorrow. Some of the taxiway's there are nor particularly wide

Interesting comment's.

Perhaps some light reading is needed.

Per AIP
Shannon Taxiways are 23M wide.
http://www.iaa.ie/safe_reg/iaip/Published%20Files/AIP%20Files/AD/Chart%20Files/EINN/EI_AD_2_EINN_24-1_en.pdf

Dublin all main taxiways are 23M wide too.
E6 in Dublin is the high speed exit and its 30M wide.

http://www.iaa.ie/safe_reg/iaip/Published%20Files/AIP%20Files/AD/Chart%20Files/EIDW/EI_AD_2_EIDW_24-1_en.pdf

Both airports runways and main taxiways are well capable of handling the A380.

If there is to be any issues it will be on the ramp where the wing tip lines are.

j636

31st Jul 2013, 12:12

Spotted this online earlier.

Dublin Airport Twins with Beijing Airport in Push for China Link :: Routesonline (http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/211307/dublin-airport-twins-with-beijing-airport-in-push-for-china-link/#.UfjrvYZA2lc.twitter)

DubWannabeNerd

31st Jul 2013, 12:23

Thanks 321 for the info. A very interesting site!

j636

31st Jul 2013, 12:38

Ryanair to increase checked-in baggage charges - RTÉ News (http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2013/0731/465664-ryanair-to-increase-checked-in-baggage-charges/)

Ryanair has also announced it will increase the frequency on its five main Ireland-UK routes from October.
The airline says it will add at least one more daily return flight from October 2013 to routes out of Dublin to London Stansted, Manchester, Birmingham, Edinburgh and Bristol.

BHX and MAN now 4 daily
EDI 3 daily
BRS 2 daily down on last winter
STN looks like no change.

brian_dromey

31st Jul 2013, 12:47

Interesting that EI today report that UK routes are weak and FR adds 1000 seats on the same routes. Are FR going to turn the screw on EI now they can no longer own it?

Aerlingus231

31st Jul 2013, 12:56

EI's UK routes from BHD, SNN and ORK are the ones facing lower demand, particularly in BHD against Flybe, their DUB UK routes are performing strongly.

Jack1985

31st Jul 2013, 13:43

EI's UK routes from BHD, SNN and ORK

Sorry what? This is the same airline which is basing a third ATR72 at Cork next Summer for extra seats to the UK, particularly for extra flights to BHX & MAN as well as plans to announce further routes to the UK and apparently we are supposed to accept that Cork is underperforming to the UK because you're waffling?

Jamie2k9

31st Jul 2013, 13:58

Management said it was the London market that has weakened UK performance. Belfast to London and BA extra services at DUB. They expect it to improve with Flybe exiting LGW and BA cutting back at DUB. Overall UK is doing well with regional growth for 2014.

As for the proposed extra FR flights, there winter DUB schedule has a lot of increases and I expect it won't last, we won't know until end of September if they go ahead.

Hangar6

31st Jul 2013, 14:20

Thank god we consumers have a choice of carriers and they will have decent offers for the winter as well as more seats, how could anyone argue the case for FR takeover of EI !!!!

fivejuliet

31st Jul 2013, 14:36

Another ATR for SNN also next year was the plan

mart901

31st Jul 2013, 14:38

FR won't last at 4x daily into BHX, sure they tried increasing it before and it backfired. They can make richer pickings on other routes and they know it well. They may keep MAN going 4x daily but its most probably just for publicity. They won't cripple yield in their own back yard for more than a season. Come January trying to fill 4x 738, 3x 320 and 2x ATR will be nigh on impossible at any price.

Sober Lark

31st Jul 2013, 15:54

They could pay passengers to fly. Bet they'd still make money.

FRatSTN

31st Jul 2013, 16:22

BHX and MAN now 4 daily
EDI 3 daily
BRS 2 daily down on last winter
STN looks like no change.

Looks like Stansted has had no change recently but it does have 8 flights for Fri-Mon with 7 on Tues-Thurs for most of the winter.

That's 53 departures a week which is an increase on last winter.

EI-A330-300

1st Aug 2013, 12:03

CAR has said that the service failures by the daa ie- 30+ minute security queues will cost the company 1.1 million this year.

CAR are also deciding on the next wave of airport charges from 2015 to 2019. They are considering introducing peak service charges as demand in the mornings is very high an there is little scope to increase capacity because of the runway.

ayroplain

2nd Aug 2013, 09:33

CAR has said that the service failures by the daa ie- 30+ minute security queues will cost the company 1.1 million this year.
Seems like a shocking waste of money. With the construction of T2 and the partial revamp of T1 they had a golden opportunity to get it right.
They should send a team over to Gatwick to see how to properly run a security operation.

BTW, what has happened with those self-service Passport Arrival machines at T1 Immigration? I only ever saw them in operation once and they've been boarded up since. The Advance signs are still in place.

EI-A330-300

5th Aug 2013, 12:30

TAROM W13 Operation Changes as of 05AUG13 | Airline Route ? Worldwide Airline Route Updates (http://airlineroute.net/2013/08/05/ro-w13update1/?utm_source=social&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=social130805)

OTP increased from 3 to 4 weekly from winter and for summer 2014.

EI-A330-300

5th Aug 2013, 16:41

2 hour queues for immigration over the weekend and the response was bottles of water. Between this and the bus strike tourists are getting a wonderful first impression.

Queue 'shambles' at dublin AIRPORT - Herald.ie (http://www.herald.ie/news/queue-shambles-at-dublin-airport-29473365.html)

AirGuru

5th Aug 2013, 17:18

Just to put it into perspective, DUB-BRS-DUB is 39x weekly in all this winter. 19x weekly with EIR, and 20x weekly with FR. Now, someone tell me that that is one hell of a lot of seats to fill even in the Summer, never mind the Winter !

The CWL schedule is also a continuation of the new, improved Summer schedule, operating 18x weekly. But next Summer, DUB-CWL-DUB is 19x weekly, whilst the BRS schedule drops to 14x weekly.

SealinkBF

5th Aug 2013, 18:57

I flew from Dublin last September and the queue was one of the worst I have ever experienced. Strange as in other ways it's a great airport.

Sober Lark

6th Aug 2013, 09:31

Anyone know why the bus to Quickpark cannot pick up at T2?

Jamie2k9

7th Aug 2013, 13:29

Around 2.2 million passengers in July up 7%

Europe 1.2 million up 6%
UK 653,000 up 5%
US/Canada 221,000 up 16%
Africa/Middle East 54,000 up 19%
Domestic 7,000 up 14%

Over 11.5 million year to date up 5%.

Latest News > More Than 2 Million Passengers In July At Dublin Airport (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/13-08-07/More_Than_2_Million_Passengers_In_July_At_Dublin_Airport.asp x)

Sober Lark

7th Aug 2013, 15:35

Couldn't get an answer so I contacted Quickpark.

The reason they can't pick up at Dublin T2 is because 'the DAA don't let them' and 'if they did they would impose heavy fines'. Quickpark say they moved their shelter in T1 a little closer to T2 to try and make it a little more convenient for their passengers.

Great to see such results Jamie. Every passenger pays charges which apparently the DAA use to inconvenience passengers by blocking competition.

Jamie2k9

9th Aug 2013, 00:23

2 hour queues at immigration happed a few times at certain times over the weekend. DUB is usually very quick to process passengers. The UK and the US are just as bad. A certain airport in the UK earlier this year took 50 minutes to process 1 flight which had less than 150 passengers and I was not at the back of the queue.

I had no problems returning on Monday evening but in Spain on Thursday it took 1 hour to get through immigration.

Couldn't get an answer so I contacted Quickpark.

The reason they can't pick up at Dublin T2 is because 'the DAA don't let them' and 'if they did they would impose heavy fines'. Quickpark say they moved their shelter in T1 a little closer to T2 to try and make it a little more convenient for their passengers.

Is that the real reason of is it another one like DB 16 can't pick up at T2 either but drops off their.

Just to put it into perspective, DUB-BRS-DUB is 39x weekly in all this winter. 19x weekly with EIR, and 20x weekly with FR. Now, someone tell me that that is one hell of a lot of seats to fill even in the Summer, never mind the Winter !

The CWL schedule is also a continuation of the new, improved Summer schedule, operating 18x weekly. But next Summer, DUB-CWL-DUB is 19x weekly, whilst the BRS schedule drops to 14x weekly.

They won't be filled and they won't all operate. FR will cut DUB-BRS.

Sober Lark

9th Aug 2013, 11:53

Jamie, Dublin Bus say route 16 can drop off and pick up at both T1 and T2.

Can't get my head around it Jamie. If Quickpark bus can stop to drop off passengers at T2 why can't it pick up passengers? Can the DAA car park buses pick up at T2?

840

9th Aug 2013, 13:14

The GoBE bus from Cork drops at T1 and T2, but you take it from the main coach area.

Is it just because of the length of time to load the buses?

EI-A330-300

9th Aug 2013, 13:37

Route 16 doesn't pick up from T2

I think it's more access to pick up at T2 isn't easy and takes time,

DubWannabeNerd

9th Aug 2013, 15:03

Afternoon all,

Just wondering if anybody knows a bit about the logistics of Flightfest. Will all of the aircraft have to depart from Dublin airport initially before flying over the city or will they be flying in "directly"?

Thanks,

Dub

The Beerhunter

12th Aug 2013, 15:50

find yourself a comfy seat and settle down with this thread:

Flight Fest (Vulcan fly past) - boards.ie (http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056924505)

DubWannabeNerd

12th Aug 2013, 21:06

Thanks Beerhunter. A very interesting read. A comfy seat on the 15th is my dilemma. Where to put it???? A lot of good suggestions on there.

johnrizzo2000

14th Aug 2013, 13:48

DUB-NCL now bookable on aerlingus.com; another route to feed the growing hub in Dublin! :)

Baser

14th Aug 2013, 15:57

Whether or not Quickpark are allowed to pick up from T2, I think the current arrangement is the most practical and helps minimise delays for arriving passengers. The stop is less than 200m from both terminals so I don't see any real issue - in fact I'd say there's a chance the current pick up point is marginally closer to the entrance of T2!! And its definitely more practical than the current Dublin Airport car park bus arrangement!

Jamie2k9

17th Aug 2013, 19:04

Thomson have suspended flights to SSH with immediate effect, flights are currently planned to resume mid September.

TSR2

17th Aug 2013, 21:17

Thomson have suspended flights to SSH with immediate effect, flights are currently planned to resume mid September.

Not according to the Travel News Alert dated today on the Thomson website.

IrishFlyer2013

17th Aug 2013, 21:24

TSR2, it's on Falcon Holidays website.

Falcon | Falcon Holidays | Latest Travel Information (http://www.falconholidays.ie/travel-alert.html)

AIRPORT66

19th Aug 2013, 10:12

Would anyone booked on the cancelled flights from dub to ssh be offered seats on the flight from belfast.

EI-A330-300

19th Aug 2013, 11:12

Don't think so, the operator isn't going to take responsibility for sending people from the republic out when the DFA have said not to travel.

McBruce

22nd Aug 2013, 22:10

Does anyone know what happens to the US preclearance @ Dub after 26th October? Are Lingus website only quotes flights upto 26th October which i presume coincides with the summer schedule coming to a close.

EI-A330-300

23rd Aug 2013, 01:19

Nothing happens apart from some schedule changes Boston flights should clear for the winter.

McBruce

23rd Aug 2013, 14:05

Same with the MCO flights?

EI-A330-300

23rd Aug 2013, 15:40

Yeah everything else clears, just depends on staff rosters for BOS flights but AFAIK some BOS will be clearing to.

SecondDog

23rd Aug 2013, 16:42

EI-A330-300

23rd Aug 2013, 22:12

Regarding the US border pre-clearance in DUB, is that something that any airport can do or is it specific to Ireland in some historical link? If it is a matter of paying for the service, how much does it cost?

Not sure how it came about but Abu Dhabi planes to have it also. DUB covered the building costs but everything else is the US authorities.

Jack1985

24th Aug 2013, 11:18

Not sure if the Abu Dhabi facility will go-ahead as the US House of Representatives in June 2013 prohibited the DHS from using any taxpayer dollars to conduct customs and border protection (CBP) preclearance operations at Abu Dhabi.

is it specific to Ireland

USCBP is also in operation at selected airports in Canada and in the Caribbean as well as in Bermuda.

EI-A330-300

26th Aug 2013, 15:12

TLS going back year round.
NCL new.
BOS 60% capacity increase.
11 other routes capacity increase.

Latest News > Dublin Airport Welcomes Aer Lingus' Expansion (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/13-08-26/Dublin_Airport_Welcomes_Aer_Lingus_Expansion.aspx)

Mlinnie

27th Aug 2013, 14:20

Etihad Boeing 777-300 continuing through winter! :)

ETIHAD Maintains Boeing 777 Service to Dublin in W13 :: Routesonline (http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/215161/etihad-maintains-boeing-777-service-to-dublin-in-w13/#.Uhxpg7j9qLM.twitter)

gaelgeoir

27th Aug 2013, 14:45

Re. SecondDog's question on CBP history in Dublin, it originated with a Shannon Airport management initiative to establish U.S. Pre-Inspection (immigration only) at that airport as an enhancement to Shannon's efforts to attract additional tech. transit traffic which was a significant proportion of SNN's business in the 1980s. After much effort on the airport's behalf a trial facility was established in 1986 and a permanent facility opened in 1988. Ironically, given their development of transatlantic transfer traffic at Dublin recently, Aer Lingus initially refused to use the service at Shannon although many other carriers did, including Delta and Pan Am. For competitive reasons Aer Lingus eventually had to use the service but their attitude did much to fuel the feeling that they were actively working to favour their Dublin transatlantic services over Shannon's.

Some years later Dublin, a sister airport of Shannon's in the Aer Rianta group at the time, opened a Pre-inspection facility and, following the consolidation of U.S. Immigration and Customs into Customs and Border Protection post-911, both facilities now offer full Pre-clearance to passengers but Shannon has recently acquired approval to clear corporate aircraft enroute to the U.S. which enables operators to fly direct from SNN to their home towns, even if they're non-gateway airports.

GCUFD

27th Aug 2013, 20:14

I think people will find somewhat more balanced background on the CBP at this link:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/new-agreement-for-us-bound-air-passengers-1.831598?via=mr

Essentially, these are inter-governmental agreements. The arrangement at Shannon was no so much a local management initiative (some folk like to ascribe every good thing at Shannon to local management, and every bad thing to nefarious forces frustrating local management), as central Government negotiating something to placate the Shannon Airport lobby for the loss of the compulsory stopover requirement which had forced all trans-Atlantic services bound for Ireland to stop at the airport, previously relaxed to a requirement to stop for at least one leg. The stopover was an obstacle to the development of trans-Atlantic services; however political requirements required some gesture to mark its passing.

What do you need to get such a facility? Basically, a motivated Government with an effective diplomatic service.

gaelgeoir

29th Aug 2013, 14:17

Shannon Airport's initiative (for that's what this was) on acquiring a Pre-inspection facility was years in the planning and pre-dated Open Skies by a long way. Whereas it did require an act of the Oireachtas to permit it's establishment and SNN, as part of a State company, needed to keep the relevant Govt. Department briefed on it's progress, the groundwork/negotiations were done by Shannon's management for the reason mentioned above- to enhance the airport as a technical transit stop.

The Pre-inspection innovation was a continuation of Shannon's recognised ability to adapt to a changing environment in a way very few airports built for early transatlantic aviation have. Airport Duty Free and the Aeroflot fuel farm (1980's) are other examples of SNN's record of world class innovation.

ryan2000

29th Aug 2013, 16:46

Prior to the introduction of both clearance facilities the media ran stories which presented the initiatives as massive golden nuggets for Shannon. We were told that dozens of executive jets would be landing there every day to avail of the pre customs facility and that pre-immigration would create a hub for airlines from Central Europe and the former Soviet Republics. These would also be filtering hundreds of thousands of passengers every year through the wonderful facility at Shannon. None of this has happened primarily because of advances in technology which have allowed more and more business aircraft and airliners to fly long distances without stopping.

No airline or business jet is going to needlessly stop at Shannon just to avail of pre customs.

stab3.5up

29th Aug 2013, 17:47

Was the same spin not used for T2 in DUB i am sure that we remember all the ppruners confirming that Air India had signed up in all probability to more than likely use T2 as a hub when the time was right.

Infact has any airline actually used DUB T2 pre clearance as in poped in for the sole reason of pre clearing?

EI-A330-300

29th Aug 2013, 17:54

Until staffing is sorted they can't expect to attract anyone.

GCUFD

29th Aug 2013, 18:02

Shannon Airport's initiative (for that's what this was) on acquiring a Pre-inspection facility was years in the planning and pre-dated Open Skies by a long way.Ah, balderdash. Every "innovation" and "initiative" in SNN can be traced to some monopoly concession granted by Central Government. I hope we don't continue to fill up the Dublin thread with a whole load of guff about SNN. Then again, that would reflect the reality of aviation policy. Can I contrast your "rah rah" posting with the realism of other contributors No airline or business jet is going to needlessly stop at Shannon just to avail of pre customs. Infact has any airline actually used DUB T2 pre clearance as in poped in for the sole reason of pre clearing?Equally, would it be right to say that no airline has availed of the full freedom supplied by the facility - which is, as passengers are effectively domestic, it should be possible to run services to any airport in the US.

Una Due Tfc

29th Aug 2013, 19:02

The main thing holding Dublin back from attracting enroute US traffic is that stubby little runway. If we got on with it and built 10L/28R to the expanded 3,600 meters asproposed then we could go after the 3 daily Jet Airways flights stopping in Brussels, Singapore stops in Frankfurt, EI could use their A350's properly and a Chinese carrier could launch a direct flight as they claimed they were so desperate to do when Gilmore was over there a few weeks ago.

10/28 would have been a proper runway if the Clare/Limerick TD's of the time hadn't got their knickers in a twist and demanded it be shortened when it was being planned. Why has cork got a shorter runway? To protect Shannon also. How much do you reckon UAL, DAL and AWE would prefer to be sending those daily 757s into Cork where there is actually a significant population? In short, Dublin and Cork airports have been hampered for decades to protect Shannon.

And before anybody accuses me of being a SNN basher, I work there

EI-A330-300

29th Aug 2013, 19:19

Just wait until SNN has blown the money given to them at the start of the year, won't take then long before it will blame DUB.

The above post is 100% right.

confused atco

29th Aug 2013, 19:43

Why has cork got a shorter runway? To protect Shannon also.
Interesting claim but have you anything to support this?

Any danger that it might have something to do with where Cork is built and when. Its also built on a little hill => 502 Ft (AIP EICK 2.24-1 refers)

Lots of our Airports are in the wrong place.

They were also built with a different Aircraft in mind. The CTR's around Knock/Galway/Sligo/Waterford/Kerry & Donegal are designed with an older turbo prop or very small jet in mind. It was expected based on Aircraft systems at the time that all arrivals would route to the overhead then outbound for a procedural approach.

The main runway in Cork was extended in the 1980's where B737 300/400 were cutting edge and Aer Lingus still had BAC 111 in its fleet.

So maybe a little research is in order before posting.

Cork Airport's RWY length (or lack of it)situation is as a result of decisions taken 30+ years ago.

The financing of any RWY extension is now dependent on DAA funds.

And their priority will be Dublin.

Dublin will get its new RWY when it can afford to pay for it.
Remember the CAR has put a minimum passenger figure in place before it will sanction an increase in charges to pay for a new RWY.

Sadly for now the traffic levels in Ireland and the state of the country's finances will mean that any state support for such an extension is moot.

GCUFD

29th Aug 2013, 20:49

The financing of any RWY extension is now dependent on DAA funds.And the capacity of the DAA to raise funds is reduced by it being left with SNN debts.

But, as you say, the regulator has set a requirement that traffic at Dublin reaches a certain level (23 million passengers, I think?) before it would approve any increase in charges to fund the development.

Pity that the same logic wasn't applied to SNN.Sadly for now the traffic levels in Ireland and the state of the country's finances will mean that any state support for such an extension is moot. Well, there never would have been any question of State support for investment in Dublin Airport. That would be prohibited by EU State Aid rules. EU guidelines would not normal envisage support for any airport with more than 5 million passengers a year, and would only really envisage State support for airports serving less than 1 million passengers in areas with some element of disadvantage.

Una Due Tfc

29th Aug 2013, 20:59

If you look back a few pages you will see a link to an Oreachtas report detailing how 10/28 in Dublin was originally planned to be 3,200m, same as Shannon, but TDs from the South West threatened to revolt and it was subsequently shortened. 10/28 in Dublin was deliberately made too short for a fully loaded 747 to use without needing a fuel stop. The hope was that this would make flights have to go to Shannon, in the end it did more favours for Manchester.

And yes Cork was built in a bloody stupid place, but put a nice long CATIII runway there and most of it's problems are sorted.

confused atco

29th Aug 2013, 21:16

And yes Cork was built in a bloody stupid place, but put a nice long CATIII runway there and most of it's problems are sorted

This is exactly why we are in the mess we are in.

There is no traffic justification for a nice long CAT III in Cork. Not now and probably not for another 100 years.

That kind of thinking is why we have an airport in nearly every county along the west coast.

And the capacity of the DAA to raise funds is reduced by it being left with SNN debts.

And Cork debts.

While all 3 were under the control of Aer Rianta cost of facilities was centralised.

No business case for the repayment of costs seems to have been done.

Only Dublin can cover its costs and pay for its own expansion.

Shannon/Cork will cover their costs but strategic expansion will not come from their coffers.

TDs from the South West threatened to revolt

Yes politicians have always played party favors with state assets.
Its time that this stops.

confused atco

29th Aug 2013, 21:23

Cork Airport's RWY length (or lack of it)situation is as a result of decisions taken 30+ years ago.

The financing of any RWY extension is now dependent on DAA funds.

Sadly for now the traffic levels in Ireland and the state of the country's finances will mean that any state support for such an extension is moot.

To clarify
Dublin will eventually have a new RWY.

Cork will only be in a position to extend its RWY if the state picks up the tab.

Cork is still under the umbrella of the DAA until the issue of the debts associated with the new terminal are sorted.On 11 April 2008, the board of Cork Airport Authority agreed by one vote to accept responsibility for a debt of €113 million incurred by the Dublin Airport Authority in the redevelopment of Cork Airport in order to secure independence from Dublin Airport But the separation never happened.

CCR

30th Aug 2013, 08:31

GCUFD

30th Aug 2013, 10:34

Spending money on a new parallel runway in Dublin or a runway extension in Cork is an investment in national infrastructure. They are capital investments in Ireland and would be investments in the Irish economy.
These runway projects should be part of an investment stimulus in the coming budgets. There is no reason why DUB can`t become a more successful hub like AMS. As I said a few posts ago, EU rules dictate that investment in Dublin could only be undertaken on a commercial basis. In other words, if you couldn't raise commercial finance to do it, Government wouldn't be allowed to put the money in with a case based on benefits to the wider Irish economy. Commercial means that a private investor would be able to generate a return from the investment made.

While in Cork's case, the possibility of State support isn't absolutely ruled out, EU rules would generally envisage any investment (other than a commercial investment) being limited to even smaller regional airports, such as Knock or Kerry. It would be hard to sustain a case for a State aid to Cork airport. You'd have to demonstrate that the area was social disadvantaged, and it just isn't.

To give a concrete example, SNN's special tax regime was struck out by the European Commission a few years ago on grounds that the Mid West wasn't especially socially disadvantaged. That's why any of the tax concessions now being framed for the aviation sector are available throughout Ireland. IDA, etc, can present the Shannon region as an area for an aviation services hub. But, if you want to do your aircraft leasing from Nenagh, or Nobber for that matter, there's nothing stopping you. All of the tax incentives are equally available in all other locations; DUB, ORK, wherever.

Jamie2k9

30th Aug 2013, 21:44

Air Lituanica have scheduled flights from DUB to Vilnius and Palanga over Christmas and New Year

ryan2000

30th Aug 2013, 23:37

Shannon needn't worry about Cork setting up an aviation services hub whatever about Nobber or Nenagh. It couldn't even accommodate an oil-rig related helicopter this Summer. The Chopper in question had to position to and from Waterford each day.

bannercounty

31st Aug 2013, 01:45

racedo

31st Aug 2013, 09:30

I just have to say that some of the posts are so stupid recently. Things like SNN being debt free etc. Aer Rianta International propped up DUB, ORK & SNN for years and was a SNN Company until taken away recently. Posters on this forum should state facts and not hearsay!!! Can the donkeys here who posted, post, how much on those outside DUB have paid in actual taxes to keep DUB going?
Airlines like Aer Lingus, United (SNN is more profitable that EWR- DUBl ), DL etc are making $ in SNN.
If SNN were to be given $1bn to waste of tax payers money like DUB were then I think SNN would make a go of it much better. T2 is a farce, paid by mostly people outside the DUB area. Typical uneducated design whereby if you need to go from A- B you much travel via X, Y & Z and that is without being a connecting passenger.
ORK and SNN have been burdened by DUB long enough so get over it. We propped up the Shamrock carrier for long enough so that it could fly the cronies out of DUB.

Delusional post.

Dublin carried more Pax in March than SNN did in the whole of last year yet somehow you think that SNN is the jewel in the crown !!!!!

SNN would have been in substantial trouble over the last 10 years had not Dubya invaded Iraq as US forces transiting through there kept its numbers up and the sirport hid behind this claiming we are so successful.

SNN is a MINOR regional airport that used Politics to prevent other airports notably Dublin having direct routes to the US, net result was many Pax went to London rather than SNN. It was overstaffed and overmanned for years before winds of reality blew in.

EI-A330-300

31st Aug 2013, 11:44

Racedo - an excellent post.

I just have to say that some of the posts are so stupid recently. Things like SNN being debt free etc. Aer Rianta International propped up DUB, ORK & SNN for years and was a SNN Company until taken away recently. Posters on this forum should state facts and not hearsay!!! Can the donkeys here who posted, post, how much on those outside DUB have paid in actual taxes to keep DUB going?
Airlines like Aer Lingus, United (SNN is more profitable that EWR- DUBl ), DL etc are making $ in SNN.
If SNN were to be given $1bn to waste of tax payers money like DUB were then I think SNN would make a go of it much better. T2 is a farce, paid by mostly people outside the DUB area. Typical uneducated design whereby if you need to go from A- B you much travel via X, Y & Z and that is without being a connecting passenger.
ORK and SNN have been burdened by DUB long enough so get over it. We propped up the Shamrock carrier for long enough so that it could fly the cronies out of DUB.

Speaking of propping up airports, the DAA have being propping up SNN and ORK for a long time. That is a drain on the taxpayer, DUB is profitable and not loss making.

No point in taking about if and or but, the simple fact is Shannon will NEVER need 1 billion to expand. I would bet a larger terminal at the airport will NEVER be needed.

Its not ORK and SNN being burdened by DUB but the other way round.

DUB should be sold so there would be no political interference but the Government to keep SN and other airports happy. I only wish the EU/IMF told the Gov the state assets they had to sell and not left the choice up to them. If only they had to sell DUB, would be the best decision ever. At least ORK are paying their debit down.

As for United and Delta being very profitable from SNN, that's very easy when you operate B757's and Delta. What it does show is larger than B757 isn't profitable form SNN as we can see with EI dropping the A330 for B757.

DAA would only be delighted to get rid of ORK and SNN and they have with SNN, hopefully ORK will go in a few years.

Now if you want to talk about peoples taxes, then SNN catchment area is the highest or second highest unemployment rate in Ireland while Dublin is the lowest. It's more a case of use paying for people to fly from SNN. Anyway better leave the East/West tax issue before the Mods have something to say about it.

confused atco

31st Aug 2013, 12:29

then SNN catchment area is the highest or second highest unemployment rate in Ireland

Region Q2 11 Q1 12 Q2 12 Q3 12 Q4 12 Q1 13 Q2 13
Border
Unemployment rate (%) 15.1 15.4 16.6 17.7 16.5 15.5 15.3
Midland
Unemployment rate (%) 17.4 18.7 18.3 17.4 16.9 17.1 15.4
West
Unemployment rate (%) 17.0 16.2 16.2 15.3 14.4 12.9 13.6
Mid-West
Unemployment rate (%) 16.0 16.0 16.1 16.6 15.4 15.6 14.8

Mid-West Clare, Limerick City, Limerick County North Tipperary
West Galway City, Galway county, Mayo, Roscommon.

http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/latestheadlinefigures/qnhs_q22013.pdf

The term "catchment area" I have always found a moveable feast.
There are several maps out there each used to justify a particular airport so most need to be treated with a pinch of salt.

Shannon will NEVER need 1 billion to expand
Agreed
the DAA have being propping up SNN and ORK for a long time
Aer Rianta was established to run all state airports.
All funds into central coffers and all items funded centrally.
Expansion undertaken at the behest of the political masters.
Its not ORK and SNN being burdened by DUB but the other way round.

Agreed
What it does show is larger than B757 isn't profitable form SNN as we can see with EI dropping the A330 for B757.

Open to correction here but B757 service is starting in new year with a plan to run all year round.
I understand that the A330 will again return for the busier summer season and B757 operate from Dublin during that time.
So is this not an appropriate use by AER LINGUS of its routes/assets?
While expanding its service from Shannon.
hopefully ORK will go in a few years

Cork still owes millions so this will be another interesting separation.

Anyway better leave the East/West tax issue before the Mods have something to say about it
As indicated in an earlier post the special tax designation for the Shannon Free Zone is long gone.
There is however still a Border Region which is Galway, Mayo, Donegal, Sligo, Roscommon area which has special tax advantages.

EI-A330-300

31st Aug 2013, 13:18

The A330 will not be at SNN again. It's being used for DUB-SFO. SNN will be all B757 until the contract with air contractors is complete.

And if DL and UA were so profitable why have not increased capacity.

GCUFD

1st Sep 2013, 10:48

@bannercounty

If SNN were to be given $1bn to waste of tax payers money like DUB were then I think SNN would make a go of it much better. T2 is a farce, paid by mostly people outside the DUB area.This discussion is really more appropriate to the SNN thread. However, it is pertinent to point out that DUB gets no taxpayers' money whatsoever. I've explained this in two recent posts. EU State Aid rules would not permit taxpayers money to be put into DUB. daa raises its own finance, and raised its own finance for T2. That's why the runway can't proceed - the cost would have to be met from within daa, and the regulator will not improve any increase in DUB charges to pay for it until DUB pax exceed (I think) 23 million.

confused atco

1st Sep 2013, 17:31

From the Commission For Aviation Regulation determination on the charge that the IAA can levy for ATC services.

The Commission has included a trigger in the formulae that will increase the
price cap should passenger numbers at Dublin airport exceed 23.5 million in a
12-month period. The increase is calculated to be sufficient to allow the IAA to
build a new control tower or adopt an alternative technological solution such
that it can continue to provide aviation terminal services at Dublin airport
should the DAA build a second runway there.

This is the trigger to start a new TWR.

I would assume the DAA trigger for a new RWY is the same.

The Commission For Aviation Regulation regularly reviews the Passenger charges that the DAA can levy.

Welcome to the Commission for Aviation Regulation Ireland, About the Commission for Aviation Regulation, CAR website Ireland, Commission for Aviation Regulation Website (http://www.aviationreg.ie/)

EI-A330-300

2nd Sep 2013, 22:54

Was due to fly with US Airways on Sunday and they managed to cancel both of their flights out of DUB because of technical problems. This summer they have dropped below American who have got themselves together and their OPT is almost prefect. After last summer I wouldn't go near AA again but US are worse.

One thing both carriers have in common besides the upcoming merger is a very aged fleet which go tech every 5 minutes. Cancelled flights must cost them a lot per year.

As we all know T2 is very congested in the mornings but particularly in summer, is it time that the slot coordinator cuts the time some carriers are allowed on the ground for.

Etihad this winter are scheduling a 90 minute turnaround, with a B777 was 2 hours last winter with the A332 and this summer its 2h30m with the B777. If they can get 90 minutes working in winter they should be forced to carry this over to next summer to allow stands be free. EK don't have problem with 90 minutes. The same can be said for US Airways CLT service who have a 2h35m turnaround. I know Pre clearance has a role in that but the arrival could be moved lather.

Getting EY out at 08.20 instead of 09.20 could be a major benefit.

ayroplain

2nd Sep 2013, 23:23

As we all know T2 is very congested in the mornings
Not only T2. The congestion has spread to Pier B (300 gates) which is absolute chaos and bedlam and constant EI announcements looking for their missing pax:rolleyes:. BA have either been thrown out of there or have themselves opted to get away from the insanity and go to the peace and quiet of Pier A (200 Gates), although those EI announcements still filter through there as well.

EI-A330-300

3rd Sep 2013, 00:46

Not only T2. The congestion has spread to Pier B (300 gates) which is absolute chaos and bedlam and constant EI announcements looking for their missing pax:rolleyes:. BA have either been thrown out of there or have themselves opted to get away from the insanity and go to the peace and quiet of Pier A (200 Gates), although those EI announcements still filter through there as well.

Ah who cares about BA, they would be grand down with FR at D!, they don't care about where we go at LHR.

Would say they were booted out of B since EIR moved over from A and there is lots of room as a result.

Hangar6

3rd Sep 2013, 06:54

AA have the worst performance by a long shot this summer daily delays of over one hour, missed connections , but have to agree re T2

One thing that greatly adds to the mess is the multiple daily dance of the queue poles, comical to see dozens of DAA Ek Ey poles being moved around in T2 ,

DAA should not allow airline branded poles at all if they have to be constantly
Moved and stored , very messy in an already busy Terminal, seen a few clipped ankles not to mention how little use half T2 check in area gets used, comical at times!!

EI-A330-300

5th Sep 2013, 21:52

daa estimating that 1.8 million T/A passengers will pass through the airport this year, the largest amount in its history. 2008 managed a peak of 1.748 million. 2014 could well see 2 million pax with extra YYZ, SFO and full year of AA's service to JFK.

Judging by the press release August total traffic was just short of 2.2 million passengers up on last year.

Latest News > Record Year For Transatlantic Traffic At Dublin Airport (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/13-09-05/Record_Year_For_Transatlantic_Traffic_At_Dublin_Airport.aspx )

Aerlingus231

5th Sep 2013, 22:23

Passenger numbers up 6% on last year, not bad at all... :D

EI-A330-300

12th Sep 2013, 21:13

Latest News > Almost 2.2 Million Passengers In August At Dublin Airport (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/13-09-12/Almost_2_2_Million_Passengers_In_August_At_Dublin_Airport.as px)

August passengers up 8%.

alserire

14th Sep 2013, 16:04

Does anyone know if the new EI flight to SFO will pre clear in Dublin?

Also does AA to JFK pre clear in Dublin?

Thanks in advance.

Jamie2k9

15th Sep 2013, 02:35

SFO will pre clear and AA pre clear. It's only the 2 or 3 EI flights that don't clear all other flights to the US clear.

alserire

15th Sep 2013, 12:28

Thanks Jamie. Much appreciated

nosefirsteverytime

15th Sep 2013, 16:50

Word on the grapevine is the pre clearance is getting expanded, less of a bottleneck hopefully!

takingoff

19th Sep 2013, 17:59

What's going on with all the delayed flights from Heathrow this evening, both British Airways flight I'm on and aer lingus flights are delayed. Looks like it will be a late one tonight.

EI-A330-300

1st Oct 2013, 19:21

Etihad are operating all B773 until 12 October due to very high cargo loads.

carsonEGAD

2nd Oct 2013, 17:37

I was wondering that since the US Government is shutdown will the preclearance be affected?

EI-A330-300

2nd Oct 2013, 21:52

I was wondering that since the US Government is shutdown will the preclearance be affected?

Not affected and unlikely to be either.

EI-A330-300

7th Oct 2013, 13:40

After one winter season with EI, SAS and FR on DUB-Stockholm route, FR have cancelled the route for the coming winter season. Didn't see this one coming.

Stevek

7th Oct 2013, 16:21

I see Maastricht has bit the dust too. Any others?

Jamie2k9

7th Oct 2013, 16:31

Almost 1.9 million passengers in September up 4%

Europe - Over 1 million up 2%
UK - 612,000 up 5%
Transatlantic - 197,000 up 10%
Middle East/North Africa 45,000 up 2%
Domestic - 7,000 up 20%

Year to date 15.6 million up 5%

Latest News > Passengers Numbers At Dublin Airport up 4% in September (http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/latest-news/13-10-07/Passengers_Numbers_At_Dublin_Airport_up_4_in_September.aspx)

FR have dropped Maastricht, Stockholm, Pisa but resumed Bremen and have increased freq on a number of routes.

Stevek

7th Oct 2013, 23:17

Are a large amount of routes not coming back for Spring or is the full schedule not loaded? Tallinn, Oslo and Memmingem to name a few.

EI-A330-300

12th Oct 2013, 17:25

All flights from DUB to the US will be clearing this winter at DUB. EI have being pushing for this a long time, hopefully they will get the same result for the summer next year.

EI-A330-300

15th Oct 2013, 13:39

Travel Tax is being scrapped from 1 April 2014.

Sober Lark

15th Oct 2013, 13:41

Irish Budget announcement today - Air tax will be reduced to zero from April 2014. Airlines told they are expected to develop new routes and increase frequency.

ryan2000

15th Oct 2013, 15:24

For years airlines moaned and groaned about the travel tax, will we now see all those new routes we were missing out on? I won't hold my breath!

EI-A330-300

15th Oct 2013, 16:30

For years airlines moaned and groaned about the travel tax, will we now see all those new routes we were missing out on? I won't hold my breath!

I agree but it could save routes that are not doing well to.

Ryanair may expand services after axing of travel tax - Independent.ie (http://www.independent.ie/business/budget/ryanair-may-expand-services-after-axing-of-travel-tax-29662123.html)

Ryanair also welcomed the removal of the tax. It has long campaigned against air travel taxes imposed by governments throughout Europe.
While the airline didn’t immediately say whether it will expand services to and from Ireland as a result, aviation sources told the Irish Independent that the low-cost carrier may unveil additional services within weeks.

EI-A330-300

24th Oct 2013, 08:46

Extra staff for pre clearance and its to be expanded by 5,200 sq ft

US immigration boosts Dublin staff to process American fliers - Independent.ie (http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/us-immigration-boosts-dublin-staff-to-process-american-fliers-29695439.html)

Fairdealfrank

25th Oct 2013, 21:02

Travel Tax is being scrapped from 1 April 2014.

UK government please take note, it's time to follow suit.

Oh look! is that another flock of pigs flying overhead?

Richard Taylor

26th Oct 2013, 06:55

APD is far too much of a moneyspinner for UK Govt, unfortunately. Short term gain, instead of long term thinking.

And in the unlikely event they ever did scrap it, it would only be based on a date 5, 10yrs hence.

EI-A330-300

29th Oct 2013, 14:49

Flynonstop will not begin operations on Thursday from DUB, gone bust this morning.

EI-A330-300

4th Nov 2013, 09:10

According to MOL Ryanair hope to announce 700,000+ seats and new routes from DUB within the next two weeks.

EI-A330-300

4th Nov 2013, 11:11

DAA in direct-route talks with Chinese and Russian airlines - Independent.ie (http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/daa-in-directroute-talks-with-chinese-and-russian-airlines-29723430.html)

superq7

4th Nov 2013, 11:19

Am writing this while flying Dublin to JFK on an Aer Lingus A330, wifi 19 euros btw

Any idea why we had two security checks at Dublin ? that's three times this morning I've had to take my shoes off, I'm not moaning just wondering why.

840

4th Nov 2013, 13:47

The first one is the standard one that all passengers leaving from Dublin undergo.

Then, you have to have a TSA compliant one before boarding the flight to America. When you go through pre-clearance, it's as though you're boarding at a US airport. In theory, you could connect onto another US internal flight after this without a check. In practice, the layout of US airports never seems to allow for this.

Fairdealfrank

4th Nov 2013, 20:35

Then, you have to have a TSA compliant one before boarding the flight to America. When you go through pre-clearance, it's as though you're boarding at a US airport. In theory, you could connect onto another US internal flight after this without a check. In practice, the layout of US airports never seems to allow for this.

If landing in the USA from DUB and using pre-clearance and connecting to a domestic flight, it's treated as domestic to domestic (USA security also done at DUB). Most American airports are set up for just that, as most transfer traffic in the USA is domestic to domestic.

International to international transfers do not exist in the USA (who knows why!) hence the need to clear border control and customs, pick up bags, go upstairs (most of the time), check in, go through security, then back to the gate. If you're lucky, your bags may be checked through, but the same palaver has to be gone through. AFAIK it's always been so.

LAX_LHR

4th Nov 2013, 20:47

International to international transfers do not exist in the USA (who knows
why!) hence the need to clear border control and customs, pick up bags, go
upstairs (most of the time), check in, go through security, then back to the
gate. If you're lucky, your bags may be checked through, but the same palaver has to be gone through. AFAIK it's always been so

Miami allows for intl-intl transfers without the need to collect your bags and allowed to stay airside.

Una Due Tfc

5th Nov 2013, 01:11

MAYBE they could get an A332 to be profitable on Dublin-Shanghai/Beijing, but it would be tight as I doubt they could fully load it on 2,600m runway. Nothing larger

840

5th Nov 2013, 08:31

Most American airports are set up for just that, as most transfer traffic in the USA is domestic to domestic.

My experience has been that you only get the benefit of having gone through the TSA scan if your flight leaves from the same terminal as your flight from Dublin arrives.

For example, the last time I flew into O'Hare, I had to go out into the public area, take the people mover between terminals and go back through security. IIRCI arrived in Terminal 5 and left from Terminal 3.