What Cockpit? MK VI

[evansb]

Thanks. The S-20 was a modern-looking design for its era. Here is the next cockpit challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/cockpit.jpg

[aviate1138]

How about a SIKORSKY S-38C possibly?

[evansb]

Not the 'Explorer's Air Yacht', as the S-38 was sometimes called. The design of the mystery ship is a bit newer.

[mustpost]

I believe it to be the Sikorsky JRS-1. (From the S-43)

[aviate1138]

Consolidated P2Y-3 perhaps?

[evansb]

mustpost is spot on:ok: The Sikorsky JRS-1, also known as the S-43. You have control.

[mustpost]

Thank you very much - thought I'd try a change of tack here - no doubt an expert will get it in one. Happy Sunday night, sorry for the delay.


http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj9/mustpost/wotzit9.jpg

[India Four Two]

Well, with Benzin on the fuel cock and Bosch on the starting magneto, I'm guessing German. Beyond that, no clue ;)

I'm intrigued that there are no flight instruments.

[mustpost]

It is German, and latterly had a good reputation (make what you can of latterly!) seriously, without being disingenuous, instruments may be missing if you look carefully...

[India Four Two]

latterly had a good reputation


Pfalz D.XII?

[mustpost]

Along the right lines...(or wrong lines depending upon who you were)

[S'land]

Fokker D.VIII ?

[CoodaShooda]

Fokker Dr1?

[mustpost]

Not a Fokker I'm afraid - with hindsight this is a bit of hard guesswork, but it was all I had on Photobucket after a busy Sunday - clues are the pic was originally in colour, and the subject is restored in a museum. End of WW1..........

[aviate1138]

Albatross D-V possibly?

[denis555]

Siemans D.III ???

[mustpost]

Neither of the last two I'm afraid - this is not an a/c I was familiar with but it turns out that it could have played a significant role if hostilities had continued..

[aviate1138]

Siemens Schuckert D.IV - fingers crossed.

[mustpost]

Nope - sorry. I believe there are still three in existence - two in Europe and one in the States. Feeling bad about this now so including second view
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj9/mustpost/wotzitextra.jpg

[aviate1138]

Halberstadt CL IV perhaps?

[mustpost]

Worth the wait, Aviate. Well done - it is indeed the Halberstadt CL IV which I think is still on display at Deutsches Museum, Munich. It was one of the most effective ground attack aircraft of the First World War, relying on its good maneuverability to avoid ground fire, and in service from April 1918.
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj9/mustpost/htcliv_05.jpg


In an attempt to salvage copyright, could I suggest some more great shots here.
http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Ger/Halb_ClIV/index.html
Well done, you have control..

[aviate1138]

Thanks MP, a warm self congratulatory glow is suffusing through my one remaining brain cell, I will take up the challenge in the very near future, however earning some pennies comes first, so for the present, "Open House" must reign.

PS Having lived in Munich for nearly 3 years and visited the DM I realised that I have stood by the very machine and yet it was only when you kindly widened the view and I saw the wooden slip ring that the "pfennig schlagen Sie den Ventilator". :rolleyes:

Cracking Museum btw.

[India Four Two]

latterly had a good reputation

Come on, Mustpost, you must post; don't keep us in suspense. What was its former reputation?

[PPRuNe Radar]

I suspect this one won't last too long ... nice and easy start to the week.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/atco10w/Flying/412.jpg

[mustpost]

Sorry, a bit obscure I know, but I was trying to indicate that in the latter (closing stages) of WW1 it was a force to be reckoned with and might have made a difference had it seen service say 2 years earlier. Sorry about the grammar..It was a long Sunday...:ooh:

[mustpost]

Should have changed those wiper blades long ago....

[Kitbag]

Supermarine Walrus?

[PPRuNe Radar]

You have control Kitbag :ok:

[evansb]

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP080521.jpgWhat happened to Kitbag? Here is the next 'What Cockpit?':

[MReyn24050]

Possibly the Fairchild 82A REG: CF-AXL?

[evansb]

Mel is correct:ok: This Fairchild 82 is from the Argentina Antarctic Survey. You have control.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Bri. I notice that the Canadian Fairchild 82A CF-AXL didn't have the door windows. Here is the next one.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz320.jpg
Mel

[norwich]

Well Mel ! Lets start with Convair XC - 99 ???? Keith.

[MReyn24050]

norwich. That is a very good start it is indeed the Convair XC-99
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Consolidated-VulteeXC-99.jpg
You have control.
Mel

[norwich]

Thank you Mel, And, once again, thank you for the updates ! Now I have a little teaser ! Very much "rebuilt" and very red ?

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/cockpits/cop28.jpg

[Cubs2jets]

Rose Parakeet?

C2j

[norwich]

C2j. Yes indeed, again you are there in one :ok: I must try harder ! Keith

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/RoseA1Parrakeet1.jpg

[Cubs2jets]

I am embarrisingly unprepared to post a challenge. I promise not to answer in the future unless I am ready with a new challenge.

OPEN HOUSE!

C2j

[evansb]

Here is the next cockpit challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP080522.jpg

[norwich]

I will kick this one off with .... Gardan GY 80 Horizon. Keith.

[evansb]

Sorry Keith, not the Gardan GY 80.

[norwich]

Can I see Cessna ??

[evansb]

Sorry again, Keith, but it is not a Cessna. Only 50-some examples of this model were produced.

[windriver]

Beech Bonanza... G33 model?

[aviate1138]

Bellanca Viking possibly?

[ozbeowulf]

Methinks it's a Mooney M-10 Cadet, the update of the original Ercoupe design.

Glenn

[aviate1138]

I reckon that is spot on Oz!

[evansb]

ozbeowulf is correct.:ok: The Mooney M-10 Cadet was the final evolution of the Erco design. Well done:D You have control.

[ozbeowulf]

Thanks, Bri..

Here's an easy one....

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg192/ozbeowulf/wotzit_20.jpg

[sycamore]

Boomerang?Ducking for cover!

[ozbeowulf]

Not a Boomerang, Sycamore, but that's not a bad opening gambit.

Glenn

[ozbeowulf]

It's getting late in Oz, so I'm off to bed. I'll leave a clue behind, though.

This aircraft and a later, better aircraft from the same manufacturer had a visually distinctive external feature generally associated with that aircraft manufacturer. In fact, that feature was designed by a different aircraft builder who charged royalties for its use.

I'll be back on deck in six or seven hours.

Glenn

[Brian Abraham]

P-36????????? Gear retract Boeing patent.

[ozbeowulf]

Close enough, Brian! Good job. You have control!

This particular aircraft is the Curtiss Hawk 75, which was sold overseas but also eventually emerged as the P-36 in the US despite losing the original contract to the Seversky P-35. The Hawk 75 and P-36 cockpits were doubtless virtually identical.

This is G-CCVH at Duxford a few years ago. I assume the paint scheme is a tribute to the many French Air Force Hawk 75s that Britain inherited from the French in early WWII.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg192/ozbeowulf/G-CCVHDuxford.jpg

[seacue]

Re-engined it became the P-40, right?

http://www.warbirdalley.com/images/fly-by-P-40.jpg

[ozbeowulf]

Hi, Seacue..

Yes, the P-40 grew directly from the Model 75, at least AFAIK. The original Hawk had some problems with engines, from what I've read. The original Wright radial was changed at the last minute, apparently, for the delayed trials by the USAAC. Unfortunately, the Hawk was slower with the larger Wright. An engine/prop mismatch, perhaps.

There were probably a few other changes in the P-40 but the inline Allison engine was the icing on the cake. You can't rule out the speed-enhancing effect of painting a shark's mouth on it, of course. Like painting a sports car bright red makes it go faster. :O

Glenn

[twochai]

Is it, by chance, the Max Holste MH250 Super Broussard??

[Brian Abraham]

On the rare occasion I get one correct you can take it as a given that open house is declared. Have no wish to hold up proceedings. With regard to the Hawk I understand the Hawk75 to be the export version and the P-36 the domestic (USA) version. Interesting that limited production (only a few airframes) of the Hawk 75 was undertaken in both China and India. Aircraft built by both contries were absorbed by the RAF as Mohawks. About the only photo I have, excuse the big head but should be easy.
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/babraham227/Brian76.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Sorry twochai it was not the Max Holste MH250 Super Broussard. I have withdrawn my challenge in deference to Brian's, who won the last challenge, but will post it again at a later date.
Mel

[evansb]

Sikorsky S-76 ?

[windriver]

Beat me to it... S76 C

[Brian Abraham]

76C of course. Told you it was easy. :ok:

[evansb]

Thanks Brian. Here is the next cockpit challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP080529.jpg

[twochai]

Beriev Be30 prototype??

[evansb]

Sorry twochai, not from Beriev's stable.

[India Four Two]

not from Beriev's stable.but the correct country, right?

[twochai]

Sorry, I now see Be30 has already been done, also landing gear of your challenge cockpit appears fixed....

But must be Soviet, surely, with that agricultural cockpit?

So, AN-28 prototype??



Disregard Soviet, disregard AN-28, its the old, original piston engined version of the Harbin Y-11

[evansb]

You are correct. It is the radial engined Harbin Y-11. You have control.

[twochai]

Yes, the original Y-11 first flew in 1973, at the height of the cultural revolution when intellectuals, presumably including aircraft designers, were banished to the rice paddies, or worse, for re-education. Which explains the 'agricultural' cockpit!!! Considering the circumstances under which they were working, not such a bad solution, I would say.


Due to the technological incompetence of the manipulator I am forced to declare "OPEN HOUSE" :confused:

[MReyn24050]

I will take up twochai's Open House and resubmit the following:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz327.jpg

It is not the Max Holste MH250 Super Broussard which you will recall twochai suggested last time it was posted.
Mel

[sycamore]

C-160 Transall?

[MReyn24050]

Not the C-160 Transall I am afraid.
Mel

[MReyn24050]

Not the Buffalo or Caribou. However, twochai and sycamore were correct in identifying that this aircraft was from the continent.

[MReyn24050]

Not the Nord 262.

[norwich]

What about ... Dassault MD 320 Hirondelle ??? Keith.

[MReyn24050]

Not the Dassault MD 320 Hirondelle I am afraid Keith

[twochai]

Ahhhh, finally....

Hurel Dubois HD-34, one of the really inventive curiosities of aerodynamics which the French nobly explored in the post war environment. Ultra high aspect ratio, two wing struts each side, fixed main gear, retractable nose gear (retrtacted sideways, a la Trident, if memory serves).

I should have recognised it earlier as I operated along side one owned by l'Institut Geographique National for several months in the Ivory Coast 45 years ago!!

[MReyn24050]

twochai. Spot on it is indeed the Hurel Dubois HD-34 :D:ok:
You have control.

[twochai]

That was a really tricky challenge.

The HD34 was a really interesting aerodynamic oddity, but more a solution looking for a problem - two wing struts each side, each the area of a large light plane wing, etc., etc. Difficult to find a hangar large enough and I cannot imagine how slow and ponderous it must have been to fly!

OK, here's another aerodynamic challenge and an oddity which may, or may not go quickly:

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk89/twochai/WC5.jpg[/IMG]

[MReyn24050]

As twochai states:- The HD34 was a really interesting aerodynamic oddity
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/0730218-1.jpg

[twochai]

I must have forgotten the number of wing struts: your photo clearly shows one massive lift strut, two bracing struts outboard, one bracing strut inboard as well the wide chord landing gear strut fairing. All the drag created by those struts probably exceeded whatever efficiencies were gained by the very high aspect ratio wing.

[pigboat]

That aircraft should be placarded:

In the event of the loss of one engine on this aircraft, the second engine will take you to the scene of the accident. :E

[twochai]

The original HD34 had more wing span and less power than the PBY parked beside it! It was a contest for the 'most underpowered aircraft' trophy!

[pigboat]

Twochai, back during the construction days of the QNS&L-RR, Hollinger Ungava operated a PB, CF-DIK, along with the DC-3's. One day both the Canso and one of the DC-3's were going into Knob Lake around the same time. The -3 was below the Canso and was overtaking them, when the Captain - can't remember who it was, probably George Humphries - looked down and saw the DC-3. He firewalled the throttles, dove the Canso and overtook them, and as he went by he feathered the left engine. Somebody on the DC-3 snapped a picture of the Canso going by the DC-3 with a prop feathered. I'd love to get my hands on a copy of that pic. :D

[twochai]

Altitude wins, every time, particularly in a pigboat! :D


OK, let's get back on topic, here's my challenge once again. Clue: it does not have a high aspect ratio!

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk89/twochai/WC5.jpg[/IMG]

[ICT_SLB]

Looks like a Sundstrand HUD on a four-engined aircraft so YC-17? In the unlikely event I'm right it's open house as I'm away from home.

[aviate1138]

Boeing YC-14 a possibility?

[Daysleeper]

I like the McD YC-15 - 4 engines, and avionics mix of original early 70's and mid 90's when one was put back into service but the overhead windows don't look right.

[India Four Two]

The cockpit glazing and overhead throttles looked vaguely flying boat like, but who would fit EFIS and a HUD to a flying boat? It is also clearly a flight test aircraft, with the extra instrumentation and the special right seat yoke.

The big side windows looked vaguely familiar and then I remembered. None of your Boeing and MD rubbish - it's de Havilland Canada :ok:, although admittedly Americanized. ;)

Specifically it's the highly modified C-8A Buffalo NASA/AMES QSRA aircraft N715NA. Pictures here http://dhc4and5.org/Buffalo9.html

[twochai]

Well, the Buffalo, YC-14, YC-15 each have relevance, as does the C-17! However India Four Two is the only one to get it exactly right. :D

QSRA (Quiet STOL Research Aircraft) was one of the Buffalo prototypes modified by Boeing with a new wing, Lycoming LF502 turbofans (leftovers from the Canadair Challenger development program, in fact) and all new flight control system.

The QSRA proved the Upper Surface Blown (USB) aerodynamic concepts which enabled the Boeing YC-14, which lost out to McDD with the YC-15 in the competition for the C-17 airlifter. Of course, Boeing won out in the end when they later bought McDD for peanuts - the C-17 contract was the best asset on the books!

The QSRA was a contemporary of the deHavilland designed, RR Pegasus engined augmentor wing research aircraft which, while arguably more efficient from an aero perspective, was anything but quiet as a prototype (think, two Harriers in formation)!!

Over to you India Four Two, you have the wheel.

[India Four Two]

Thanks, twochai.

To be fair, Boeing built a new wing for the QSRA, so it's an early example of NAFTA co-operation ;)

Here's one that I am surprised we haven't seen before.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/Cockpit1June08.jpg

[twochai]

Well, its the Dash 7, of course!

You can't get away that easily, India Four Two. Must try harder!

[India Four Two]

twochai,

I said I was surprised it hadn't been done before and we have to get all the easy ones off the table!

Show us what you've got!

[twochai]

OK, OK, OK, I can't stand it when people avoid responsibility!:}

Here's another easy one that I'm very surprised has not been covered. No comment on the wing's aspect ratio.

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk89/twochai/WhichCockpit0530.jpg[/IMG]

[norwich]

Well Twochai, It is the Antonov AN 22 Antei, I say confidently !!!! Keith.

[twochai]

What took you so long, Keith?? In fact I believe it should be Anthaeus, as it is only singular but, what the hell, we'll let it go!!

You have the helm.

[norwich]

Thank you Twochai, I think this will be another of my "nano seconds" posts ?? but hey, lets see, I must be in bed very soon, so I may be gone for some time !! Keith.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/cockpits/cop29.jpg

[evansb]

No offers? I think it is a ZLIN 142.

[norwich]

Evansb, I know you are correct !! Welll done, this thread is on rapide fire at the moment, so let us have on to think about please ? Keith

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/zlin142.jpg

[evansb]

Thanks Keith. Here is the next challenge:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP080602.jpg

[evansb]

For a change-of-pace, I won't be giving any clues on this challenge.:)

[Cubs2jets]

You don't need to give any clues. It's the sole Fairchild XNQ-1.

C2j

[evansb]

C2j is correct:ok: Well done:D You have control.


http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/Fairchild-XNQ1-3.jpg

[Cubs2jets]

Good morning all.

Thunderstorm two nights ago caused a power surge that took out my computer. I'm having to rebuild everything here so , with apologies, OPEN HOUSE.

C2j

[norwich]

C2j, back soonest I hope ! :) Meanwhile another easy one, that I am surprised has not here before ??? Keith.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/cockpits/cop30a.jpg

[twochai]

You're right, Keith, so I guess we can check off the Boeing 707?

Can't be sure of the series, but might be an early -320, perhaps Air France?

Or is that Tex Johnson incognito???

[norwich]

Yes Twochai, correct again :ok: It is VH-EBB a 707-138B "soon after delivery" to Qantas. I think thats a lovely 'period' picture. Over to you. Keith.

[twochai]

Ahh, must be a younger John Travolta!

Sorry, I'm otherwise engaged so must declare: OPEN HOUSE!

[innuendo]

Slightly OT but, one thing I do not have any fond nostalgia for in the 707 picture is the headset shown. Those things were agony on my ears after too short a time. It did not take me long to buy my own Telex headset which was worth every penny. I think the companies must have got them WW11 surplus.

[windriver]

Just to fill in before twochai posts the next cockpit... I came across this ad with a mystery cockpit from 1960.... I think it may be a Victor, but am not sure. - certainly looks like the view from inside a letterbox. (I`d imagine!)

Does anyone have any other suggestions?

http://aviationancestry.com/Materials/Transparencies/Transparencies-Triplex-1960-1.jpg

[evansb]

Here is the next cockpit challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP080607.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Very interesting aircraft Bri. Please check PMs.
Mel

[twochai]

Fokker S.14 Machtrainer??

[evansb]

twochai is correct:ok: You have control.

[twochai]

I recall seeing locally built versions of the Fokkedr S.14 operate in Brazil during the late '60's.

Our next challenge, should not last long:


http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk89/twochai/which2.jpg

[ozbeowulf]

That's a Boeing 377 cockpit, but the engine instruments look like gas turbine gauges, so I'll guess this is a turboprop-powered Guppy.

If that's correct, make it open house.

Glenn

[twochai]

Right on, Ozbeowulf, the turbine powered Super Guppy it is. :D

OPEN HOUSE.

[India Four Two]

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/WhatCockpit9June08.jpg

[con-pilot]

Wild guess, A-6 Intruder?

[India Four Two]

con-pilot

No, not the A-6, but this aircraft and the A-6 share one unusual similarity.

I42

[ICT_SLB]

The naval version of the General Dynamics F1-11 that was to be built by Grumman. I'm off to Washington DC tomorrow so will be off net & thus - Open House.

[India Four Two]

No, not a web-footed Aardvark, but this aircraft does have a very distinctive feature in common with the F-111

[S'land]

F-14 Tomcat?

[India Four Two]

Sorry, not a Tomcat.

[wonderboysteve]

Su-24 Fencer?

[India Four Two]

Ah, a bit of creative lateral thinking by WBS. :) Obviously living up to your nickname. Not a Fencer, but you are much warmer.

evansb told me he thought there was a red herring in the picture. I felt it was more of a blue herring. :}

[MReyn24050]

I42, I can certainly see your blue herring. Please check PMs.
Mel

[mustpost]

Is it the Su-17M ?

[India Four Two]

Not the Su-17M nor any of the products of the Sukhoi Design Bureau.

[8028410q]

Perhaps a Tu-22m?

[RETDPI]

With Admiral Charles Larson sitting in it. :cool:

[India Four Two]

Yes, it is a Tu-22M3 Backfire C. Well done, 8028410q :ok:

2+2 seating with ejection seats, like the A-6 and swing-wing like the F-111 and Tomcat. However, there the similarities end. It's BIG (but I hasten to point out, the B-1 Lancer is bigger). About the size of a 737NG, with a significantly higher gross weight but can do Mach 2.3!

I have to admit that I didn't know much about Russian bombers until I stumbled onto this photo. I certainly had no idea that the Tu-22 Blinder was a completely different aircraft.

More information here on the Backfire and other Russian aircraft:

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Sov-ASuW.html#Tu-22M3_Backfire_C

As RETDPI said, it is Admiral Lawson, USN, sitting in the cockpit. It's easy to think Grumman when you see a US naval uniform. The original caption for this photo reads:
Admiral Charles R. Larson, Commander in Chief, US Pacific Fleet, sits in the cockpit of a Soviet Tu-22M Backfire aircraft during a visit to a Soviet air base during the latter [sic] Cold War period Over to you, 8028410q

[8028410q]

This is my first foray into the realms of History and Nostalgia, so be gentle with me.

My picture is:

http://www.kontur-niirs.ru/pic/prod/ustanovka/an_72/0506_sm.jpg

Looks funky..

8028410q

[norwich]

Being as gentle as I can ! How about Antonov AN 72 / 74 ??? Keith.

[India Four Two]

Keith,

8028410q has an early start today, so he asked me to adjudicate.

You were very gently right. It's an AN-74.

Your go.

I42

[norwich]

Thank you 8028410q and I42, good start 8028410q, remember to check / alter the 'properties' of photos ! you left a little clue in there ? but hey we live and learn ? Unfortunately I have nothing at the mo so must declare OPEN HOUSE !!! Keith.

[evansb]

Here is the next cockpit challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP080611.jpg

[8028410q]

Oh well, I live and learn!

Lets start this one off, very reminiscent of a Tri Pacer, but the control columns are wrong. Perhaps French or German?

8028410q

[8028410q]

OK, first guess, Maule M7?

[evansb]

Not French, German, nor American.

[norwich]

Bri, may I start with Beagle A 109 Airedale ???? Keith.

[evansb]

Sorry Keith, you are barking up the wrong tree. Not the Beagle Airedale.

[evansb]

Clue: The aircraft first flew in 1961.

[norwich]

Was that a little hint Bri ? was I that close ? is it a Beagle Terrier, Terrier 2, Tugmaster ???? or am I barking mad ? Keith.

[evansb]

Another clue: The aircraft was not built nor designed in Great Britain.

[norwich]

Hmmm, How about Romania ? IAR 818 ?? Keith ??

[evansb]

Sorry Keith, not Romanian.

[evansb]

Clue: The largest single customer for this type was the military, although almost all models extant are presently in the hands of civilian pilots.

[MReyn24050]

:hmm: Not many takers for your challenge Bri. Interesting photograph. It would appear to be a high wing monoplane. Are those air vents or some form of small windows port and starboard just below knee height?

[pigboat]

Neiva U-42 Regente?

[evansb]

pigboat is correct.:ok: Well done:D The Brazilian Neiva Regente was ordered into producton by the Brazilian Air Force. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/FAB2996_05MAR08_LOGO.jpg

[pigboat]

Well, talk about a WAG paying off. This one may have been used before, so it'll probably go fast.
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/Siddley-Hawker/Nopeeking-2-1.jpg

[8028410q]

Curtiss A-25A Helldiver?

[evansb]

Was it made by the Canadian Car & Foundry at Fort William, Ontario ?:)

[pigboat]

Curtiss A-25A Helldiver?

Got it in one. The A-25A was the Air Force version of the SB2C minus the folding wings and tail hook, I guess.

Was it made by the Canadian Car & Foundry at Fort William, Ontario ?
Good question. :D

[MReyn24050]

Bri asked
Was it made by the Canadian Car & Foundry at Fort William, Ontario ?
Peter M Bowers states in his book Curtiss Aircraft 1907-1947 published by Putnam that:-
The US Navy foresaw interference with it's own production at Columbus,so the Army versions were built at the Curtiss St Louis plant and subsequent orders were on Army contract.
and
With the Curtiss factories being unable to meet the Navy's increased requirements for the still unproven SB2C, additional production was assigned to the Canadian branch of Fairchild Aircraft Corporation which built 300 as SBF and to the Canadian Car & Foundry Company which built 835 of an initial order for 1000 as SBWs.

[8028410q]

Ok, my turn then I guess!

The next cockpit challenge:

http://www.transglobalaircraft.co.uk/files/What_Cockpit/Picture2.jpg

[evansb]

Excellent post, 8028410q. Check your PM.

[twochai]

Agreed, an excellent challenge.

Is it the Antonov AN-3, the upgraded, modernised and re-engined version of the venerable AN-2??

[8028410q]

No, not the An-2 or An-3..

[India Four Two]

American military aircraft?

[BSD]

Fiat G-222?

BSD.

[BSD]

On second thoughts.......

I don't think it is the Fiat after all. No windows at the side which I think a Fiat would have.

BSD.

[evansb]

Okay Bob, I submit my answer: The Grumman C-2A Greyhound.

[8028410q]

Correct evansb, Grumman C-2A Greyhound.

You have control...

[evansb]

Thanks Bob. Here is the next 'What Cockpit?':
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP080620.jpg

[windriver]

Riley Twin Navion?

[evansb]

Sorry, not a Riley Twin Navion.

[Planegill]

Looks like the lovely little Wing Derringer

[evansb]

Planegill is spot on:ok: Well done:D The Thorp designed two-place Wing Derringer was a good performer. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WingDerringer.jpg

[Planegill]

I understand the Wing Derringer was going to be put back into production by a company in Mojave, but the plans were stymied when the test aircraft was lost in a fatal spin accident.
Here is the next challenge for you experts.

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/TestA.jpg

[Planegill]

Hi Bri - Yes it looks like a Beech wheel, but the aircraft was not made by them. I don't know how many were built.

[evansb]

Thanks Gill. The inter-connecting rudder bar and large trim wheel would indicate a rather long moment aft. Presently, I don't have a clue. (other than the upside-down Beechcraft yoke and centre present Pioneer Compass). Good hunting mates!

[evansb]

Fiat G.12 ?

[Planegill]

Not the Fiat G.12. It is from the Western side of the Atlantic.

[MReyn24050]

Just a wild guess, the Ford 14-A Tri-Motor, perhaps?
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/ford14a.jpg

[Woods]

WAG Fairchild Husky?

[Planegill]

Woods has it. It is the Fairchild F11 Husky.

http://www.wcam.mb.ca/Husky.gif

[pigboat]

Austin Airways had CF-SAQ. Used to be known as Sad And Queer. :)

[Woods]

I have never succeeded in posting a pic; in the interest of smooth flow, open house. I will try to get something in, soon,eventually. Woods

[norwich]

I'm back with another "nano seconds" post, which I hope I cannot find on Mels list ? Keith.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/cockpits/cop6.jpg

[MReyn24050]

As you say Keith it is not on the list. Please check PMs.
Mel

[India Four Two]

A classic - Zlin Trener Z226T

[norwich]

India Four Two, you are correctish ! I had it recorded as Z-526, but having looked there is little difference, so we all await your next challenge. Keith.

[India Four Two]

Keith, thank you.

Here's the next one:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/WhatCockpitJune24.jpg

[sycamore]

The previous is a Z-526,as the u/c switch is just to the right of the gear indicator;-226 had fixed gear...

[John Hill]

I have no idea what it is but it has nice curtains!:}

[evansb]

I'll guess an Atlas C.4M Kudu.

[India Four Two]

Interesting guess, bri. I had never heard of a flying Kudu, only the four-legged kind.

Wrong hemisphere, sort of. This aircraft was produced in the northern hemisphere, although this particular example lives south of the equator.

However, the name does have something in common with the Kudu.

John Hill, half a point if you can tell me the manufacturer of the "sun shades" ;)

[evansb]

I should have gone with my first thought on this one. It is a Beagle A.109 Airedale.

[India Four Two]

bri, you've got it. You have control.

The Beagle Airedale trumps the Kudu, in being named after two animals, not just one :)

This particular panel belongs to the beautifully restored VH-UEH:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/Airedale.jpg

More details and photos here: ttp://www.txc.net.au/~dpa/ (ttp://www.txc.net.au/%7Edpa/)

From the 12th of June:
Bri, may I start with Beagle A 109 Airedale ???? Keith.Keith, where were you when we needed you? ;)

[evansb]

Exactly! Where are you Keith?.. Here is one Keith may get:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP080624.jpg

[norwich]

Hi guys, I'm here looking and thinking ! have no idea at all on this one, but i,ll be back !!! Keith.

[sycamore]

I think it`s the new stealthy `Bitsorfa wunderplane`,recycled Mk2...`cos it`s got bits orf a Chipmunk/provost,,and other bits orf a Vampire/Venom(gear handle),bits orf a shelf in the garage(carpet).....could be a highly modified Condor,...but retractable gear....you must be pulling my `handle`....
I`ve got a `bitsorfa` bike,bits orf a Norton,bits orf a Matchless,other bits orf a Suzuki,bit orf a Wessex,all goes together harmoniously,and I used to race it....!

[evansb]

Sorry, it is not the commonly rare, yet frequently unseen Bristol Bitsorfa. You are not that far-off the mark though..:)

[wz662]

Only a hunch and I've nothing to post if I'm correct but is it the EoN Primary?

[oncemorealoft]

OK, this is a completely WAG, but is it a Shorts Seamew?

[evansb]

Sorry, not a Short Seamew, nor is it the Ellotts Primary Eon training glider, which didn't have much of a cockpit.

[sycamore]

This side of the Pond,or yours, or East from here ??

[India Four Two]

Looks British to me, well at least the instruments are. Made of wood?

[evansb]

Yes it is indeed British, with wood construction.

[norwich]

Seems the time of me to pop a completely obscure guess in what about
DeHavilland DH-81 Swallow Moth ??? Keith.

[evansb]

Well Keith....are you feelin' lucky?

Good research on finding obscure aircraft! Alas, it is not the D.H.81 Swallow Moth.

[8028410q]

Armstrong Whitworth 52G
I'll give you my reasoning...
1. The large handle on the left appears to be a large speedbrake. It's in the wrong position for a throttle. It could of course be a canopy closing handle, but see point 3.
2. No apparent engine instruments, what does appear are electrical accessory gauges?
3. An unpressurised cockpit, flimsy canopy.
4. Low speed ASI, and VSI indicator going to +-4000'/min.
5. Front wing spar going through the floor of the cockpit.

[evansb]

Sorry, not from Armstrong Whitworth, nor De Havilland. The aircraft had retractable main landing gear, and trailing-edge flaps. Designed for military use during the early 1940s. Two versions were planned. There is an ancillary panel to the left of the flying instruments which may house the P.II compass. The rev-counter is partially hidden by the control column.

[norwich]

Obscure type No 96 ! Just before bed ! Miles M28 Mercury ???? Keith

[evansb]

Sleep well Cadet Norwich:ok: Keith is correct.:D Only 6 were built, and as of 2002, only 1 was airworthy. Upon awakening, you have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/miles_Mercury.jpg
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/miles_m-28.jpg

[norwich]

Thank you evansb, A parent of the messenger, as can be seen ? It's nice to have control, would be even better to have something to post !
So back to Open House ! Keith.

[twochai]

Now for something different, but obvious:

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk89/twochai/0622.jpg

[Woods]

Avro Canada C102 Jetliner

[twochai]

Obviously correct, Woods.

The world's second jetliner to fly, following the Comet by only 17 days. Pity it got sidelined by an unimaginative government (having bankrolled the prototype) and a company too busy making money on military aircraft.

Over to you.

[Woods]

:confused:http://s152photobucket.com/albums/s200/lohpitI mean house, I'll take the hose. :ugh:Help! Woods

[evansb]

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP080627.jpg

[Agaricus bisporus]

Convair 640

[evansb]

No, not a Convair 640.

[con-pilot]

A really wild guess. Diamond Jet/Beech Jet 400?

[evansb]

Sorry, not a Beech/Diamond jet. It is a twin-engine jet, however.

[twochai]

Is it the HFB320 Hansa Jet??

Later Edit:

I note the Hansa Jet has already been done, so belay my submission, please.

[evansb]

Not the Hansa Jet, but it is European.

[twochai]

OK, Sud-Nord Aviation SN601 Corvette!!

[evansb]

I'll even accept Aerospatiale SN 601 Corvette.:ok: Over to you, twochai.

[twochai]

Thanks, Evansb, that was a brain twister.

In fact, I think the SN601 was created during a period of consolidation in the French industry: it was initiated under Nord Aviation, which merged with Sud and eventually became Aerospatiale. But in the final analysis there wasn't room in the market for two French business jets.

Here's another challenge:

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk89/twochai/28-06-08.jpg

[Kitbag]

Fast and pointy, not military, so perhaps Fairey Delta 2?

[twochai]

Good thought, Kitbag, but no its not the FD2.

[MReyn24050]

Please check PMs.
Mel

[twochai]

Mel points out correctly that the SNCASO SO9000 Trident has already been done. Unfortunately it was listed under one of the manufacturer's other names, Sud-Ouest, not SNCASO. Both names were correct, depending on your point in time. :=

Must try harder!

on this note: OPEN HOUSE

[norwich]

I too have almost fallen into that same situation, So many aircraft have been known by more than one maker / model name ! Will try this after looking at various names ???? Keith.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/cockpits/cop31.jpg

[MReyn24050]

I apologise for the confusion, at the next update I will ensure that all SNCASO aircraft are identified as SNCASO (Sud-Ouest).Also SNCASE aircraft SNCASE (Sud-Est) and SNACN aircraft SCAN (Nord).
Mel

[windriver]

Percival Gull??

[MReyn24050]

windriver, I would say you have the right manufacturer but not a Gull,
Mel

[aviate1138]

Vega Gull perhaps?

[windriver]

Percival Proctor ??

[norwich]

Windriver has it :ok: It is a Proctor Mk 3, nicely looked after in Denmark.
Sorry about the time lag here, immediatly after posting I was "called out" and only just got home ! Mel I think the various Makers / Names just makes it a little more challenging fun, thanks once again for the listings.
Over to Windriver ...... Keith.

[evansb]

Perhaps windriver has gone for a picinic in the Cotswolds.

[Agaricus bisporus]

To keep things going may I pop one in - apologies to windriver if he gets back from his picnic to find I've jumped the gun.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc189/agaricusbisporus/untitled.jpg?t=1214762862

[windriver]

Perhps windriver has gone for a picinic in the Cotswolds.

I should be so lucky! Had to work today......

PS...I have aboslutely no idea at the moment what this challenge aircraft is. It looks like a "Bitsa" ... Bits of everything...

[norwich]

Well I also have no idea, but will start with Waco RF or UMF ??? Keith.

[Agaricus bisporus]

Hi windriver - not a bitsa at all, this is a pure thoroughbred.
Not a Waco either.

[windriver]

I think I need to start fishing for clues as I don`t know where to start on this one!

It looks American... and judging by those switches and levers it looks as though it's built to do a particular job of work... quite what I don`t know.

Right here goes it's an American Crop Sprayer. :O

[con-pilot]

Right here goes it's an American Crop Sprayer.

Nope, no way. There has never been a cockpit that clean in any Crop Duster in the history of aviation.

Even brand new from the factory.


Trust me. :(

[con-pilot]

Now, with that being said,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


A Grumman Ag-Cat? :p

[Agaricus bisporus]

Sure ain't no crop sprayer, but sure was built to do a job of work, and what a job of work this pioneer turned out to be pioneering. They had no idea at the time...

[evansb]

Boeing Model 40C

[Agaricus bisporus]

As ever, evansb is the authority. The Boeing 40C, arguably the first of the Boing airlners, just restored to flight.

As I rather tramped on windriver should he not have the next shot?

hopeless trying to win here!

[evansb]

Thanks Agar! Sure, windriver can have control!:) Over to you.

[Agaricus bisporus]

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc189/agaricusbisporus/4.jpg?t=1214857536

http://s213.photobucket.com/albums/cc189/agaricusbisporus/th_b40c.jpg

[windriver]

After having accused that historic aircraft of being a crop sprayer I expected to be expelled from the thread.. however here goes...

http://www.aviationancestry.com/wc3.jpg

[evansb]

I'll guess Parnall 382 Heck III ? Is the cut-and-paste photo from a company brochure?

[windriver]

Sorry evansb... not a Parnall

[S'land]

I don't know what it was about Agaricus bisporus's post, but I found myself wanting to know more about the strangely elegant Boeing 40C. I came across this video. At 48 MB it may take a time to download, but I think that it's worth it. It opens in Windows Media Player.

http://www.hangarbuddy.com/downloadf...tflight640.wmv