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ozbeowulf
17th Apr 2008, 01:24
Mitsubishi J2M Raiden

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg192/ozbeowulf/j2mraiden.jpg

norwich
17th Apr 2008, 06:37
Ozbeowulf is spot on, complete with photo :D over to you ! Keith.

ozbeowulf
17th Apr 2008, 06:50
Thanks, Keith. Actually, it only took minutes to identify the Raiden. Well, 1920 minutes....:}

Seriously, that was an excellent challenge. Well done! In truth, I would have been hard-pressed without your clues.

Here's the next challenge...

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg192/ozbeowulf/wotzit18.jpg

twochai
17th Apr 2008, 11:31
Mi-24 'Hind' (D or later model)??

ozbeowulf
17th Apr 2008, 12:30
Not an Mi-24 of any variant. Sorry.

Glenn

ozbeowulf
17th Apr 2008, 13:50
Coming up on midnight here in Oz. I'll be back on deck in six or seven hours to respond to any posts regarding the current challenge.

Glenn

con-pilot
17th Apr 2008, 17:43
HL-10 Lifting Body test aircraft? Open house if correct.

norwich
17th Apr 2008, 19:27
Con Pilot has it I think ! see video clip here

http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Movie/HL-10/480x/EM-0014-03.mov

ozbeowulf
17th Apr 2008, 20:45
Con-Pilot is correct! :ok:

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg192/ozbeowulf/HL-10_E-16211.jpg

In the late 60s & early 70s, the Northrop HL-10 flew faster and higher than any other lifting body and became the first such aircraft to exceed Mach 1. Keith has already posted the same link I intended to use here.

Con-Pilot declared Open House, so go get 'em, guys...

Glenn

norwich
17th Apr 2008, 20:52
Sorry Glenn, expected you to be asleep for longer ? I have another easy one ready, but would rather wait for others to challenge the world ???
Keith.
So waited for some time and no offers ! Will post this "easy" one before going to bed, maybe !

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/cockpits/cop12.jpg

norwich
18th Apr 2008, 18:19
Well. 21 hours, 75 "views" and no offers ? must be clue time !

Lycoming 0-235 powered.

Manufacturing Co established in 1974.

Over 2000 of their products flying worldwide.

Several were delivered to the Iraqi Air Force in 04 / 05 !

This photo is possibly a 1995 model ????

Keith. ????

MReyn24050
18th Apr 2008, 18:33
Too many clues methinks. Please check PMs.:)

windriver
18th Apr 2008, 23:14
AS202 Bravo?

ozbeowulf
19th Apr 2008, 03:54
Because I may not be the only one with this question, I'll ask it openly rather than with a pm.

How can one find the number of "views" of a challenge that one posts? Is that a forum feature or a PhotoBucket feature?

So far, nothing found in the FAQs.

Cheers,

Glenn

norwich
19th Apr 2008, 06:34
Good morning all, Windriver it's not one of those, sorry ??.
Ozbeowulf, If you use the "back button" from this page, once, the previous page lists the number of views in the right hand coloumn, as this is an ongoing thread, you have to record the number at the time of posting a challenge, hope this explains ????
Keith, be lucky. ????

ozbeowulf
19th Apr 2008, 08:54
Thanks, Keith...

Glenn

stevef
19th Apr 2008, 17:12
One of the Socata Rallye family perhaps?

norwich
19th Apr 2008, 17:47
Stevef, sorry not a socata, not built in France, possibly built in a garage or shed ?????? Keith.

Agaricus bisporus
19th Apr 2008, 21:07
It's the Zenair/Alarus CH2000, so it is!

Never heard of that one before either!

Nice clues, Norwich.

Once again, Open House.

norwich
20th Apr 2008, 10:25
Yes indeed, Agaricus bisporus has it ! Zenair CH2000 ! seems to be a popular, all metal, self assembly aircraft ! Ab has declared open house so I will sit back and enjoy. Keith.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/CH20003.jpg

windriver
20th Apr 2008, 13:39
A quickie to keep the show on the road...

To win: Name the pilot, the significance of the aircraft, the date and location.

http://www.content-delivery.co.uk/3781g.jpg

Speedpig
20th Apr 2008, 15:24
Let's have a go at Glenn H Curtiss, in the Model D, winning the Gordon Bennett Cup in Rheims????

Just a shot in the dark.

windriver
20th Apr 2008, 15:48
No.. Sorry. (no more clues just yet)

sycamore
20th Apr 2008, 16:51
A.V.Roe ,1908...? Play thru !!

windriver
20th Apr 2008, 16:59
A.V Roe.. Yes
1908 (Close enough) 1907 at Brooklands according to the caption.
Play thru... not sure... It was the first aircraft he built...

You have control:ok:

sycamore
21st Apr 2008, 20:25
PLAY THRU, golfing term -meaning `carry on`,can`t find my balls`,etc etc.

norwich
21st Apr 2008, 21:40
Would anybody mind if I posted another "easy" one ? Keith.

norwich
21st Apr 2008, 21:51
OK, this should last for nano seconds ??

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/cockpits/cop14.jpg

paulc
22nd Apr 2008, 05:43
Tupolev Tu134?

norwich
22nd Apr 2008, 06:32
PaulC, spot on. :D The floor is yours, Keith.

paulc
22nd Apr 2008, 11:49
nothing to hand so open house

ozbeowulf
22nd Apr 2008, 14:06
Okay, this won't get too far, but it will keep the thread moving for a little while...

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg192/ozbeowulf/wotzit_19.jpg

Sorry about this part, though. It's into the wee hours here in Oz, so I'm off. Back on deck in 6 or 7 hours.

Glenn

oncemorealoft
22nd Apr 2008, 14:23
Is it the Douglas X3 Stiletto?

sycamore
22nd Apr 2008, 15:04
Something says `Navy`,and Grumman single seat twin piston,but before the F7F Tigercat....XF5F-1 perhaps ?? and if it is, carry on..Syc

con-pilot
22nd Apr 2008, 16:46
Is it the Douglas X3 Stiletto?

I don't think it is jet powered. X-3 was my first guess as well until I saw the Mag. switches on the left side of the instrument panel. At least they look like Mag. switches.

Yup, piston powered, primer pump on right side.

norwich
22nd Apr 2008, 17:02
Definitely the XF5F-1 Skyrocket as Sycamore said ! just found same photo elsewhere ? Keith.

sycamore
22nd Apr 2008, 18:40
Please carry on guys...incontinent..errr incompetent at down err uploading !

ozbeowulf
22nd Apr 2008, 20:55
Well done, Sycamore! The X5F-1 it is.

"Open house," the man said.......

norwich
22nd Apr 2008, 21:03
Thanks Glenn, going to post this, which I think is a lovely pic ! Keith.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/cockpits/cop26.jpg

Cubs2jets
22nd Apr 2008, 21:52
Aeronca Chief?

C2j

norwich
22nd Apr 2008, 21:55
C2j you are too good for me ! yes it is ! look forward to your next post. Keith.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/aeroncachief.jpg

Cubs2jets
22nd Apr 2008, 22:41
Please stand by. New challenge coming!

OK! Here we are. Start guessing!

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj200/Cubs2jets/Cockpit7.jpg?t=1208912011

C2j

stevef
23rd Apr 2008, 05:01
Sikorsky S51 or the licence-built Westland Dragonfly?

sycamore
23rd Apr 2008, 09:38
Brantly-Hynes B-2 ?

norwich
23rd Apr 2008, 10:06
Umm Sikorsky H 5 Dragonfly ???? Keith.

edit..
Sorry SteveF just read your entry, same thing different numbers, its yours if correct ! Keith.

Cubs2jets
23rd Apr 2008, 12:08
Stevef was the first to correctly identify the Sikorsky S51/H-5/HO3S that is in the Army Aviation Museum at Ft. Rucker, AL.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj200/Cubs2jets/Aircraft7.jpg?t=1208952481

C2j

stevef
23rd Apr 2008, 15:02
This won't be unidentified for long!

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r291/stevef_2007/cc2.jpg

sycamore
24th Apr 2008, 13:19
Bit of a mystery ship ,but a few thoughts; twin-engined piston,boost gauge at top,possibly rpm gauges mid-left, prop synchroniser top left,other engine stuff right,,a/h lower,so probably not `important`,no visible ASI,unless it is the `tape` at left,radio callsign in middle,and what looks like a `dymo tape` note` u/c inoperative` next to the cowl flap handles down the centre....
could it be the CH-Vt V173/XF5U Pancake ?

stevef
24th Apr 2008, 15:11
This aircraft was not from the USA, Sycamore. Prototype first flew in 1940. Two engines as you say. Two crew.

sycamore
24th Apr 2008, 15:39
Was it a `War `trophy from Germany or Japan ?

stevef
24th Apr 2008, 16:44
Yes, it was - the trail's warming up now!

aviate1138
24th Apr 2008, 16:47
Nakajima Kikka? just another wild stab....

stevef
24th Apr 2008, 16:51
Sorry, Aviate1138 - this was piston-engined.

aviate1138
24th Apr 2008, 16:58
Kawasaki Ki-45 perhaps? :)

stevef
24th Apr 2008, 17:16
No 'perhaps' about it, aviate1138 - spot on!
:D
Steve.

aviate1138
24th Apr 2008, 17:26
It has to be "Open House" as I have to dash but will be luxuriating in getting one right! At last. :rolleyes:

norwich
24th Apr 2008, 17:56
I have another "instant easy" post for you all .... Keith.


http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/cockpits/cop25.jpg

sycamore
24th Apr 2008, 22:24
Something Russian-early Yak ?

norwich
24th Apr 2008, 22:30
Ah, good evening Sycamore, Sorry but not a Yak ? Keith.

norwich
24th Apr 2008, 23:35
66 views, and one attempt ! mmm ? must go to bed will be back soon, keep em coming ! Keith.

aviate1138
25th Apr 2008, 06:55
Maybe a Petlyakov Pe-2/3?

norwich
25th Apr 2008, 15:52
Aviate 1138, Sorry you had to wait so long, work ! but sorry your not there yet ! First cluette its not Russian ... Keith ???

And another shot of the same thing ?????

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/cockpits/cop25A.jpg

evansb
26th Apr 2008, 06:33
Hey Keith, you got a good cockpit going. Is the turn-and-bank a good clue ? How are your 'chips'n eggs?' mate ??? Whass upp b'out your question marks ????

MReyn24050
26th Apr 2008, 11:19
Has an Italian look about it perhaps?
Mel

norwich
26th Apr 2008, 11:28
Good afternoon Mel, You are very astute, (or are you) where does your assumption lead you ????
Keith.

MReyn24050
26th Apr 2008, 13:06
Good Afternoon to you to Keith. Not that astute I am afraid. The instruments led me to Italian and the cockpit window layout leds me thinking it may be to this version of the Ambrosini SAI S.7
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/sai7-1.jpg.
But that is just a hunch. Be back later must go and mow the lawns.
Mel

norwich
26th Apr 2008, 13:30
Well Mel ! It is not that aircraft, sorry. But some of your thinking is in the correct area ? It is not that obscure ? I think the photography is not doing any favours ? What can you make of Evansb's earlier post ?? I cannot reconcile that with what I have in my head ?
Keith.

MReyn24050
26th Apr 2008, 14:35
Thanks for that I was thinking it might be from the Breda stables. I think Evansb was referring to the markings on the turn and bank guage S and D which are Italian for Left and Right i.e. Sinistra and Destra.

norwich
26th Apr 2008, 15:13
As I said earlier, I think the perspective in the previous photo's is off putting ! So I have "engineered" this third shot, which will make it so easy for you all ???
Keith.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/cockpits/cop25B.jpg

aviate1138
26th Apr 2008, 15:49
Breda Ba 65?

norwich
26th Apr 2008, 16:20
Were getting there, but not there yet, sorry Aviate1138. Keith. ??

aviate1138
26th Apr 2008, 16:42
How about a Savoia Marchetti SM-85? Perhaps........maybe.....

norwich
26th Apr 2008, 17:05
Ah, A very elegant name, but not the one you strive for ? Keith.

Kitbag
26th Apr 2008, 18:57
Has something of the Fiat G50 about it I think

aviate1138
26th Apr 2008, 19:04
What about the Piaggio P7?? Hmmmmm.......

norwich
26th Apr 2008, 19:22
The circle is closing ! in the last two posts there is one signifcant manufacturer ! "but not necessarily in the correct order" Keith.

aviate1138
26th Apr 2008, 19:55
Damn! I was going to suggest the Reggiane Re 2000 Falco but now I am going for

the FIAT BR.20 Cicogna ? Can't find a Piaggio anything suitable.....

Piaggio P-119?

norwich
26th Apr 2008, 20:11
Aviate 1138, Well, what can I say, ummm no, but ever smaller circle, in your last post there were "2" significant words, but in the wrong places. Looking back at previous posts several have had one too many engines and not enough wings ! I'm making it too easy for you to get your second consecutive win am I not ? ..... ha ha .... love it. Keith

aviate1138
27th Apr 2008, 05:03
Deep breath....

Fiat CR 32 ?

My last remaining brain cell is in need of deep majooberizing! :)

Correzione! CR 42 :rolleyes:

norwich
27th Apr 2008, 08:43
YES YES YES !!! Aviate 1138 .... your last minute change of mind has won it ! Well deduced ! for that I give you two :D :D Looking forward to your challenge ! Keith.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/cr42falco.jpg

aviate1138
27th Apr 2008, 13:14
Ha! Only Mr Google has the brains, I just tap the keys! Thanks for the clues! :)


http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k35/beejaviate/Picture7.jpg

another view

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k35/beejaviate/Picture8.jpg

con-pilot
27th Apr 2008, 19:09
Wild guess, WACO UPF-7?

norwich
27th Apr 2008, 20:14
Aeronca Arrow Sport. Keith ;)

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/arrow_cpit.jpg

aviate1138
27th Apr 2008, 21:03
Actually not an Aeronca but [and you are correct!] an

Arrow Aircraft & Motors Corp, Havelock NB. Arrow Sport - Kenner radial, the first of a number of variants.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k35/beejaviate/arrowsport.jpg

Well done Keith

You have control :)

norwich
27th Apr 2008, 21:18
Thanks aviate, phew ! This is a really really easy one, as I need bed ! Keith.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/cockpits/cop18.jpg

asw28-866
27th Apr 2008, 22:30
Douglas Skyraider?

norwich
27th Apr 2008, 22:43
asw 28-866, Yes it's a Douglas A1H Skyraider, It's your choice next ! Keith.

norwich
28th Apr 2008, 19:16
It's been 20 hrs ! so just to keep things going another easy one ? Keith

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/cockpits/cop22.jpg

twochai
28th Apr 2008, 19:23
Hmmm...

Looks like a Fleet 80 'Canuck' to me, but its been a long time....

norwich
28th Apr 2008, 19:38
twochai, you are (again) too quick for me, yes of course, please post something ????? Keith.

evansb
28th Apr 2008, 20:15
If twochai will permit me, here is a photo of a Fleet Canuck cockpit more akin to the one I flew over three decades ago. They sure do change!
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/FleetCanuck.jpg

twochai
28th Apr 2008, 20:32
Sorry, EvansB, got you beat by two decades (earlier, unfortunately). The airplane I soloed on was almost identical to the one in Keith's original photo!!

Regret I will be out of pocket for three days so: OPEN HOUSE to all comers.

evansb
28th Apr 2008, 21:08
Okay, here is the next mystery cockpit.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP080428.jpg

LowNSlow
29th Apr 2008, 07:17
I don't think we'll be able to guess that one EvansB :)

S'land
29th Apr 2008, 09:05
As no photo showing one assumes that it is a stealth aircraft. :rolleyes:

evansb
29th Apr 2008, 18:43
Sorry 'bout that. I edited my posted photo last night just as my host, photobucket went down for site maintenance. After three failed attempts, I went to bed.

evansb
30th Apr 2008, 14:50
Here is a clue: Only two were built, both prototypes.

stevef
30th Apr 2008, 16:03
Can I hazard the Martin Baker MB5?

evansb
30th Apr 2008, 16:39
Sorry Steve, not a British aircraft.

norwich
30th Apr 2008, 16:49
Hi, evansb, first attempt Douglas XSB2D-1 Destroyer ?? Keith.

evansb
30th Apr 2008, 17:15
Hello Keith. Not the Douglas XSB2D-1 Destroyer, but you are very close.

norwich
30th Apr 2008, 17:40
Another X-Plane ? Grumman XTB3F - 1 (G-70) composite engined prototype prior to AF-2 guardian ????? Keith.

evansb
30th Apr 2008, 17:51
Keith, as it was a prototype, it did carry an 'X' designator, but it is not the Grumman XTB3F-1.

norwich
30th Apr 2008, 18:18
All very similar period, role, and looks ! how about Curtiss XBTC-1 ?? Keith.

evansb
30th Apr 2008, 18:35
Not a Curtiss. The mystery aircraft first flew in 1945.

norwich
30th Apr 2008, 20:01
Straws being clutched !!! Consolidated Vultee XP 81 ? Keith.

evansb
30th Apr 2008, 20:29
Sorry Keith, not the Consolidated Vultee XP-91. As stated, you were very close on your first submission.

aviate1138
30th Apr 2008, 20:46
Douglas BTD-1 perhaps?

evansb
30th Apr 2008, 20:54
Again, very close, but not the Douglas BTD-1. The mystery aircraft was known by two names.

MReyn24050
30th Apr 2008, 21:20
Bri
I will string along with that, please check PMs.
Mel

norwich
30th Apr 2008, 21:37
Oh, Mmmmm ! Douglas XA-42, XB-42, the model with single cockpit ? but I think it flew in 1944 ? Keith.

evansb
30th Apr 2008, 21:51
It is a Douglas aircraft, but not the XA-42 or XB-42. As the war was coming to a close, the production of the mystery aircraft was cancelled.

Magarnagle
1st May 2008, 02:53
Douglas XTB2D-1 Skypirate?

http://aeroweb.brooklyn.cuny.edu/database/aircraft/imgthumb.htm?id=2117

S'land
1st May 2008, 11:30
Douglas XB-43? Only two prototypes were built and the project was abandoned in, I think, 1946.

evansb
1st May 2008, 11:46
Magarnagle is correct. The Skypirate, also known as the Devastator II. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/tb2d-2.jpg

stevef
1st May 2008, 15:55
That Skypirate looks as if somebody made an Airfix Dornier 335 in the dark. :)

norwich
1st May 2008, 18:55
evansb, I see what you meant about my being "close" missed it by one letter. memo to self ... must try harder ! must look, listen and learn. Thank you. Keith.

mustpost
1st May 2008, 22:11
Keyboard - drink - spill - off to bed ..well done :D

Magarnagle
2nd May 2008, 07:42
That Skypirate looks as if somebody made an Airfix Dornier 335 in the dark. :)
Classic! :D

Here's one:
Another experimental, no "X" prefix.


http://uscockpits.com/XPlanes/N-9MB%20Flying%20Wing.JPG

MReyn24050
2nd May 2008, 11:38
See seperate thread for updated lists of both What Cockpit and What Aerodrome. To date some 1056 cockpits have been presented and it is great to see that there has been only 53 duplicates in the two and half years since Mr_Grubby started the thread.
Mel

Cubs2jets
2nd May 2008, 12:35
Northrop N1M

C2j

Mr_Grubby
2nd May 2008, 13:42
MReyn24050.


Thanks for the latested updates Mel.

And by the way, Happy Birthday for today !!!

Clint.

:D:ok:

MReyn24050
2nd May 2008, 16:56
Thanks Clint. :O
Mel

norwich
2nd May 2008, 18:01
Happy Birthday, and thanks for the updates, and I think its the Northrop N-9MB ?? Keith.

MReyn24050
2nd May 2008, 19:51
Thanks Keith for your greetings. I reckon you have it in one, which Magarnagle will soon confirm.
Mel

Magarnagle
3rd May 2008, 01:29
Norwich has got it exactly. Sorry if it's a duplicate :-)

Northrop N-9MB flying wing test bed it is.

http://www.air-and-space.com/LockettBooks%20prints/20050522%20Chino%20DSC_1275%20N9M-B%20N9MB%20right%20side%20in%20flight%20Lulu%2011x14%20l.jpg

norwich
3rd May 2008, 09:12
Thank you Magarnagle, Good one ! My next, poor quality, photo will not last too long I am sure ? Keith.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/cockpits/cop5.jpg

con-pilot
3rd May 2008, 17:41
Wild guess, Navion modified with a one piece windshield?

norwich
3rd May 2008, 18:39
Spot on con pilot :D they are listed as North American and Ryan, as L17 and Navion, wuold the screen mod be only one of these ? Look forward to your challenge. Keith.

con-pilot
3rd May 2008, 19:25
Thank you Keith. Nothing for now, open house.


(Glad I was right, I use to fly them.)

wuold the screen mod be only one of these ? .

No, not really. Navion is an abbreviation of North American Aviation who was the original manufacture of this aircraft. The Air Force version was called the L-17. The last version of this aircraft was the Range Master. It was a very easy aircraft to fly. All the Navions except the Range Master had a sliding canopy for cabin access. I always suspected that the canopy arrangement was one reason the Navion was not as popular as could have been.

I could be wrong about this, but I believe that the Navion had more possible modifications on the market than any other single engine aircraft. The modifications range from the windshield, engines, cowling's, cabin windows, wing fairings, landing gear doors, and on.

twochai
3rd May 2008, 20:47
...not to memtion the twin conversion!

norwich
3rd May 2008, 22:21
Thanks for the info people ! a little more knowledge is good ? As this space seems vacant I will post avery easy one ? Keith.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/cockpits/cop10.jpg

Cubs2jets
3rd May 2008, 22:51
Fiesler Storch

C2j

norwich
3rd May 2008, 23:05
I knew it would be toooo easy ! Its your choice C2j ! Keith.

Cubs2jets
4th May 2008, 01:55
Well all,

I took the time to check the list of what's been done before, and what I have, has been! Oh, well, open house.

C2j

evansb
4th May 2008, 12:34
Here is the next cockpit challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP080504.jpg

evansb
5th May 2008, 17:09
Here is a clue: The aircraft first flew in 1957.

evansb
6th May 2008, 12:50
Here is the second clue: An improved version first flew in the early 1960s.

MReyn24050
6th May 2008, 13:53
High wing,single engine perhaps?

evansb
6th May 2008, 14:50
Yes, it is a high-wing, single-engine monoplane.

norwich
6th May 2008, 21:04
Aircraft first flown in 1957 ... Boeing 707 .. Avro Arrow .. Sikorsky S58 .. Fairy Rotodyne .. Lockheed Jetstar .. Cessna 142 (later 150) .. Plus many others I believe ! Could it possibly be any of these haha ? Keith.

evansb
6th May 2008, 21:20
Sorry Keith, none of those mentioned. Not from any of those countries either.

Agaricus bisporus
6th May 2008, 21:48
Polish by any chance?

evansb
7th May 2008, 01:31
Not Polish. Another clue: it was powered by a Continental C-90 engine.

windriver
7th May 2008, 08:36
Aeronca 7F Tri Traveller ???

MReyn24050
7th May 2008, 10:52
The Dinfia IA-46 Ranquel perhaps?

evansb
7th May 2008, 11:32
Sorry, not American, nor Argentinian. The aircraft was built and designed in Europe.

dash7fan
7th May 2008, 17:02
May be an Pützer Elster from Germany?

evansb
7th May 2008, 17:46
Sorry, not from Germany. The mystery aircraft shared the name of a car built at the same time and in the same country of its manufacture.

India Four Two
7th May 2008, 18:44
Bri,

I don't have a clue about the name, but the design strikes me as having an Italian influence.

norwich
7th May 2008, 20:00
Pushing the boat out again ! How about I.A.R. 818 from Romania ? Doesn't fit with many clues ?? Keith

MReyn24050
7th May 2008, 20:00
Bri
Would that be the Legrand-Simon LS50 Dauphine?
Mel

evansb
7th May 2008, 20:27
Mel, you are correct:ok: The improved version, the LS60, was the challenge cockpit a few months ago. You have control.
Bri
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/LS50_Dauphine.jpg

MReyn24050
7th May 2008, 20:55
Thanks Bri. Here is the next challenge.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz325.jpg
Mel

evansb
9th May 2008, 01:52
I'll commence by guessing it is a Lewis & Vought VE-9. The two-tiered panel is unusual, as is the intrusion in the lower centre, which looks like a housing for a nose wheel. The sterno pot dead ahead looks like an early RN torpedo aiming device. All a bit puzzling. The well padded cockpit sides would indicate a racer, or is it an inflatable collar for the odd off-shore excursion ?

MReyn24050
9th May 2008, 08:39
Sorry Bri. Not a Lewis & Vought VE-9. India Four Two's last comment is applicable to this aircraft.
Mel

evansb
9th May 2008, 10:47
Is it from Ansaldo ?

MReyn24050
9th May 2008, 11:05
It certainly is Bri. :)
Mel

Agaricus bisporus
9th May 2008, 11:37
So it's an Ansaldo SVA, WW1 scout/recce machine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansaldo_SVA

MReyn24050
9th May 2008, 11:46
Agaricus bisporus. You are getting there for the extra point can you give me which one?
Mel

Agaricus bisporus
9th May 2008, 12:03
Hm! Caught me out, haven't you? Answers derived not from knowledge but web search.

It looks to me like a 2 seater, the singles seemed to have a high-backed fuselage, and that device ahead of the screen could well be a gun mount, so I'll say a -10 2 seat recce version. The apparently padded cockpit sides might be explained by this too.

MReyn24050
9th May 2008, 12:23
As you have rightly deduced it is a two seater and in fact it is the Ansaldo SVA.9.:ok:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/AnsaldoSVA-9.jpg
In 1979 Aeroplane Monthly reported on the restoration of a SVA.9 by Herbert Fyfield and was part of the Fyfield Collection of Washington,Connecticut, USA. I am not sure if this collection still exists perhaps someone can confirm.
You have control
Mel

Agaricus bisporus
9th May 2008, 13:17
Free for all!

evansb
9th May 2008, 18:19
Here is the next cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP080509.jpg

windriver
9th May 2008, 19:05
G159 Gulfstream 1 ?

norwich
9th May 2008, 19:05
How about the Grumman Gulfstream 1 (VC-4A) The twin turboprop ??? Keith.

evansb
9th May 2008, 20:13
windriver is correct:ok: By a nano second. The Grumman G159 Gulfstream I. You have control.

windriver
9th May 2008, 21:17
Sorry Norwich... just pipped you to the post. I spent many happy hours in the G1 so an easy one for me.....

Here goes...

http://www.content-delivery.co.uk/392a.jpg

aviate1138
10th May 2008, 07:38
Bristol Blenheim MK IV - possibly, perhaps, maybe......???

windriver
10th May 2008, 09:33
Not quite....

stevef
10th May 2008, 12:48
Might I suggest the Beaufort?

windriver
10th May 2008, 14:11
Correct...:ok:
Cockpit Image from the excellent "Torpedo Airmen" ISBN 0-7183-0369-5
Ad image from aviationancestry.com

http://www.aviationancestry.com/Bristol-Beaufort-1941-8.jpg

You have control...

Agaricus bisporus
10th May 2008, 16:12
re the Ansaldo, no sign I can find of a restored example or otherwise in USA on the web, but did find this;

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=66462&page=8&highlight=bleriot+n6683c

Go about 1/3 of the way down this forum page to "John Aeroclub's" fascinating resource of surviving WW1 examples. Incredible that there should be so many!

GOLF_BRAVO_ZULU
10th May 2008, 18:08
Chaps, please forgive the temporary Thread drift but can anyone spot anything odd with the flight deck picture on http://www.pilotfriend.com/photo_albums/timeline/between/Armstrong%20Whitworth%20Argosy.htm ?

MReyn24050
10th May 2008, 18:40
:) They have obviously got the wrong Argosy the picture shown is the Armstrong Whitworth A.W.650 Argosy. I think you will find this is the subject aircraft's cockpit.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz63.jpg
Mel

GOLF_BRAVO_ZULU
11th May 2008, 00:00
That's what I thought. Isn't accuracy wonderful.

stevef
11th May 2008, 07:18
Open house - I've got nothing worthwhile to offer at the moment.

MReyn24050
11th May 2008, 10:36
Here is a nice easy one to keep things moving:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz326.jpg
Mel

windriver
11th May 2008, 11:06
Beechcraft something... Bonanza perhaps?

MReyn24050
11th May 2008, 12:18
This aircraft was not built by Beechcraft. However it does have some connection with Beech.
Mel

evansb
11th May 2008, 16:17
Mel, check your PM.
Bri

MReyn24050
11th May 2008, 16:34
Bri. You are correct on this one :ok:, however check my PM to you ref the other aircraft.
Mel

MReyn24050
12th May 2008, 16:12
Time for a clue, depending where you are look to the east.
Mel

stevef
12th May 2008, 16:34
Would there be a military flavour to this one?

MReyn24050
12th May 2008, 16:52
stevef
Yes this aircraft was designed for a military application.
Mel

MReyn24050
13th May 2008, 10:56
This aircraft first flew early 1950s and was powered by a 225 hp Continental O-470 engine. It was a derivative of another aircraft.
Mel

windriver
13th May 2008, 13:29
I know you've ruled out Beechcraft.. but is it some form of T34 Mentor derivative?

MReyn24050
13th May 2008, 15:22
windriver. You are on the right lines with the T34 derivative.
Mel

windriver
13th May 2008, 16:39
How about the Fuji KM-2 ??

MReyn24050
13th May 2008, 16:49
windriver :ok: This one was the military version the LM-1 from which the later commercial version the KM-2 was developed.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/FujiLM-1.jpg
You have control

windriver
13th May 2008, 17:30
It had to be Beech inspired.. lovely aircraft with those horrid yokes..:}

Anyway... here's a nice easy one.

http://www.aviationancestry.com/6781.jpg

MReyn24050
13th May 2008, 18:38
Judging by those yokes and pedals another Beech :)

con-pilot
13th May 2008, 18:42
Judging by those pedals another Beech

Too true, but which one? The only one I know it is not is a Twin Bonanza.

So, I'll go for the Queen Air.

(The Baron and the Travel Air had throw over yokes.)

windriver
13th May 2008, 19:01
Beechcraft yes... but neither of the models you mention.

dixi188
13th May 2008, 19:24
Quite modern radios (80's) so I guess Beech Duke.

India Four Two
13th May 2008, 19:42
It doesn't look complex enough or big enough for the "John Wayne" model. I vote for the female equivalent - the Duchess.

windriver
13th May 2008, 19:53
Yes it is the Duchess... well done :ok:
India Four Two you have control.

India Four Two
14th May 2008, 00:02
My only available cockpit - a beautiful Globe Swift - has been done, so open house.

evansb
14th May 2008, 03:00
Here is the next cockpit challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP080514.jpg

FireLight
14th May 2008, 03:05
Must be from a Black Widow. :}

asw28-866
14th May 2008, 03:40
Ahhhh another wacky Australian aeroplane....the DHA3 Drover?:ok:

evansb
14th May 2008, 06:16
asw28-866 is correct:ok::D The one in the photo was with the Flying Doctor Service. You have control.

asw28-866
14th May 2008, 07:48
Believe the Drover was purpose built for the RFDS, utilising the plentiful supply of Australian built Gipsy Majors (by GM Holden). Looking at that cockpit, three throttles and practically no engine instruments gave it away just RPM and oil pressure guages and a set of mag switches for each one!

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/drover.jpg

This next challenge is very straightforward as I am away from the computer after tonight for a couple of days, anticipate rapid solution....

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/whatcockpit150508A.jpg

866

windriver
14th May 2008, 09:42
Beagle Pup?

asw28-866
14th May 2008, 09:49
Windriver, of course it is the venerable Beagle Pup...you have control, I'm off to bed for a 4am start!

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/capthowie_photos/whatcockpit150508b.jpg

windriver
14th May 2008, 10:00
Venerable yes... but in 100 hp guise only just.. Here's the next challenge... Bonus awarded for identifying the people.

http://www.aviationancestry.com/6579.jpg

RETDPI
14th May 2008, 10:47
Peter Sellers?

windriver
14th May 2008, 10:59
0/3 Must do better := (half a mark for the working though) :)

S'land
14th May 2008, 11:28
Macchi 200 Saetta? Mario Castoldi +A.N.Other?

windriver
14th May 2008, 11:51
0/3 sorry... (half a mark for a good effort though)

denis555
14th May 2008, 13:04
Guess - Venom and
King Gustaf VI Adolf of Sweden?? ( on right )

windriver
14th May 2008, 13:21
Sorry... 0/3 (half a mark for effort though)

Clue - The first prototype flew in 1946...the two individuals are "well known"... the one with the medals didn`t fall for the sales pitch from the one on the left.

RETDPI
14th May 2008, 13:38
Could that be Mike Lithgow on the left, making it possibly then the Attacker?

windriver
14th May 2008, 13:57
Well done RETDPI the Supermarine Attacker it was :ok:... 2/3 The gent on the right was the then Shah of Persia....



http://www.aviationancestry.com/attacker.jpg



(and apparently after a grass take off the furrows caused by the jet efflux were big enough for 3 men to lie down in :eek:)

You have control...

RETDPI
14th May 2008, 15:21
I was hoping that not putting in the Shah would get me off the hook! Nothing to hand at present so could somebody step in please.
I promise that next time I open my big mouth on this column I'll have a picture ready.

norwich
14th May 2008, 21:21
OK, So no offers, I have a very easy one for you all, with a little colour for a change ? Keith.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/cockpits/cop27.jpg

windriver
14th May 2008, 22:31
Wild Guess... ARV Super Two

norwich
15th May 2008, 06:15
Well Windriver, good start, but not there yet ? Keith.

aviate1138
15th May 2008, 08:06
Possibly the Malmö MFI-9? or Bolkow 208 Junior [same aircraft I think]

norwich
15th May 2008, 11:54
Good one aviate1138 ! yes it is the Malmo / Bolkow 208 junior, :D look forward to your next challenge. Keith.

evansb
15th May 2008, 16:38
To keep the thread going, here is the next cockpit challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP080515.jpg

MReyn24050
15th May 2008, 18:41
Interesting looking aircraft Bri. Please check PMs.
Mel

Agaricus bisporus
15th May 2008, 18:50
A 'boat, methinks...Curtiss Large America?

evansb
15th May 2008, 18:56
Not the Curtiss H-12, but very close.

mustpost
15th May 2008, 19:12
Curtiss H-4 perhaps?

evansb
15th May 2008, 19:48
Not the H-4.

mustpost
15th May 2008, 19:58
Ermm. The Sopwith Bat Boat 1a?

retract, no it's not that, but it's something interesting..:)

evansb
15th May 2008, 20:28
Not a Sopwith. It is a Curtiss.

Agaricus bisporus
15th May 2008, 20:45
Well, if it ain't a Large America, p'raps it's the Small 'un?

Reckon Curtiss Flying boat is OK for an inspired guess though!!!

mustpost
15th May 2008, 20:48
Curtiss HS2L?
Or even an H1?
I feel A b should get it if it is tho'..........

evansb
15th May 2008, 21:11
Not an HS2L or H1. The mystery cockpit made history.

windriver
15th May 2008, 21:20
Possibly the "Curtiss Hydroaeroplane" with the Sperry Gyro Stabiliser ... The first successful autopilot...

evansb
15th May 2008, 21:32
Not the Hydroaeroplane model, although it is a flying boat.

S'land
15th May 2008, 21:56
Curtiss Model E?

evansb
15th May 2008, 23:09
Sorry, not the model E. There were four of them.

CoodaShooda
15th May 2008, 23:52
I was thinking of the World Cruisers of 1924 but thought they were by Douglas

FireLight
16th May 2008, 03:39
As I guess, I would venture that it made a long flight, maybe in a few jits and jots, across a large body of water more or less in May 1919. This would have been shortly before a VV made the same flight the following month, but the VV did it all in one go. :}

larssnowpharter
16th May 2008, 03:41
The Curtis NC 4 meets the criteria. 4 built and the first aircraft to fly across the Atlantic.

Open house if I am right; travelling at the moment and no access to photo library.

Dan Winterland
16th May 2008, 05:17
Jumping in with the offer of 'open house'.

A self portrait taken by Pater. Not a cockpit, but a crew station of an aircraft not done before.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb73/dbchippy/056.jpg

mustpost
16th May 2008, 06:20
If it is indeed a Curtiss, can I recommend this page which demonstrates the devillish cunning of evansb's challenge?
http://www.msacomputer.com/FlyingBoats-old/curtiss/Curtiss.html shows the extent of the Curtiss company's flying boat development - even the author admits at the end that the early models "Need another year or two to sort them out...."
Well done! :D

denis555
16th May 2008, 10:55
A real stab in the dark from an amateur like me.

Based on a picture I have which shows a former of almost identical shape behind the navigators table.…

The inside of a Wellington ?

evansb
16th May 2008, 13:59
Re my challenge: Yes, it was indeed the Curtiss NC-4. The first American aircraft to cross the Atlantic.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/curtiss-nc4.jpg

Dan Winterland
16th May 2008, 17:03
Sorry Evans SB. Misread mustpost's reply and jumped in early. Just as well he was correct!

Not a Wellington - that's been done. But close!

windriver
16th May 2008, 17:43
Vickers Warwick perhaps...

mustpost
16th May 2008, 19:15
Geodetic sort of look about it -Vickers Windsor?

Dan Winterland
16th May 2008, 23:40
Correct. Vickers Valetta T3. A Navigation trainer at RAF Thorney Island taken in 1952. These aircraft were used as flying classrooms - note all the astrodomes!

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb73/dbchippy/053.jpg

The Varsity has been done before, but the Valetta is a different type being the same airframe but with a different undercarriage layout.

Again, apologies for the breach in protocol. Jenkins, you have control.

aviate1138
17th May 2008, 09:46
Hope it isn't a repeat and I am using my entitlement from Keith on the Bolkow 208.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k35/beejaviate/Picture27.jpg

Speedpig
17th May 2008, 09:50
Grrrrrr. spent ages finding a suitable one. As soon as I'm ready to post, pipped at the post. Well played sir.

Mel, please may we have the link to previous cockpits again?

evansb
17th May 2008, 14:50
De Schelde S.20.

aviate1138
17th May 2008, 19:38
No surprise as to who came up with the answer! Well done evansb esq!

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k35/beejaviate/Picture28-1.jpg

You have control.