What Cockpit? MK VI

[mustpost]

As it now appears to be Brian Abrahams challenge, could I start the ball rolling by suggesting a Ryan FR-1 Fireball?

[Brian Abraham]

Southern hemisphere mustpost.

[mustpost]

Aha - thank you. Checked the list, and it hasn't been done so - CAC Wirraway?

[larssnowpharter]

Hmmm. I was thinking along similar lines but unable to confirm. Wackett?

[evansb]

I show the CAC Wirraway being posted in WC Mk.I #47.

[evansb]

The CAC CA-15 'Kangaroo' ?

[norwich]

I will "fill in" with CAC-12, 13, 14, 19 Boomerang, to complete the set. Keith.

[evansb]

I may be wrong, but the cockpit combing shape fairly screams 'North American'. I initially thought a CAC built Mustang, and then perhaps the CAC Wirraway, but the cockpit instruments seem too complex for the Wirraway, and as stated earlier, it has been posted previously. The rather massive crank on the starboard side of the cockpit bespeaks of a substantial machine. The word PROTOTYPE appears to be etched on a placard as well, which leads me to believe it is the one-off CAC-15. I do know one thing for sure,..it is not a Wackett.:)

[Brian Abraham]

Sorry for the late response but the Command insists on other tasks be done from time to time. CA-15 it is. Is there nothing you people don't know? Looks like you win evansb.

[evansb]

Thanks Brian! A great challenge for a great aircraft! I have read that the CA-15 Kangaroo was a superb performer. Here is a rare photo of another rare aircraft. This is the only cockpit photo of the mystery aircraft that I know of.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WC080321.jpg

[evansb]

The mystery aircraft did enter serial production, but no examples are extant.

[MReyn24050]

Bri
No takers yet, looking at the compass and instruments am I correct in saying this aircraft was a British aircraft possibly late WW1?
Mel

[evansb]

Hello Mel! Yes on both accounts. After the war a few entered civilian hands.

[norwich]

Please allow me to be the first to get it so wrong (as usual) haha. Keith.
SOPWITH CUCKOO ????

[wz662]

DH 9 ? Seeing as some became early airliners.

[MReyn24050]

Possibly the Bristol M.1.C, some of these aircraft did fly as civilian aircraft. However, there is a replica in the Shuttleworth Collection which doesn't tie in with your earlier statement regarding no extant versions.

[evansb]

Not a Sopwith Cuckoo, (love the name), a De Havilland DH 9, nor a Bristol. The type had an interesting, albeit short, history. The last one was scrapped in the late 1920s.

[stevef]

Not the Gugnunc, I suppose?

[evansb]

Sorry stevef, not the Handley Page HP.39 Gugnunc. The mystery aircraft did service in World War One.

[norwich]

Ok same family, different model, SOPWITH SALAMANDER ????? Keith ???

[evansb]

Sorry, not a Sopwith Salamander.

[larssnowpharter]

Wild guess: Martinsyde G100?

[MReyn24050]

larssnowpharter. Your wild guess might not be far off the mark as it could possibly be the Martinsyde F4 Buzzard. The Martinsyde F4 Buzzard was developed as a powerful and fast biplane fighter for the Royal Air Force (RAF), but the end of the First World War led to the abandonment of large-scale production. Less than 400 were eventually produced, with many exported. Of particular note was the Buzzard's high speed, being one of the very fastest aircraft developed during WWI.


However, apart from some oversea sales I can find no record of the aircraft on the civilian register. Am I correct in thinking this was a fighter aircraft?

[windriver]

Westland Wagtail

[evansb]

Sorry mates. Not a fighter. Peru was the only export customer to my knowledge. The manufacturer has not yet been mentioned. A total of twenty examples were built.

[windriver]

Blackburn Kangaroo...

[evansb]

windriver is correct:ok::D The type sank a U-Boat during WW.I. You have control. (The previous challenge was also a Kangaroo)
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/BlackburnKangaroo.jpg

[windriver]

I have to confess I wouldn`t have got round to considering the Blackburn so soon without the Peru reference.

Here goes.. (The Radio installation in the challenge aircraft is a Standard ATR4 weighing in at a very respectable 78lbs.. :eek:)

http://www.aviationancestry.com/67891.jpg

[norwich]

Lets start with DH 84 Dragon ???? Keith.

[windriver]

I`m assuming the ???? stands for Moth:D
In which case... you've got it in one it's the Dragon Moth:D

Well done.. You have control

[norwich]

Thank you Windriver, To be honest the ???? stood for an unknown quantity ? Now lets see what I can find to amuse !


http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/cockpits/cop11.jpg

[windriver]

Cessna 180 or 185?

[norwich]

Sorry neither of those ? Keith.

[Cubs2jets]

Its a Maule of some undetermined model.

C2j

[norwich]

Gotta give it to you C2j, Its a Maule M 7. Nice one, over to you ! Keith.

[Cubs2jets]

Thanks Keith, it was the shape of the lower panel that clued me in. This probably won't last too long! I checked and it is NOT on the list as having been done before. I'm suprised.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj200/Cubs2jets/CockpitB.jpg?t=1206316522

C2j

[norwich]

Should I try with Douglas SBD3 Dauntless ???? Keith.

[Cubs2jets]

Keith, hope you have something to post plus its getting on past your bedtime!

C2j

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj200/Cubs2jets/AirplaneB.jpg?t=1206320136

[norwich]

Wow, must get out more, Thank you again, Yes I will post, and yes I must go to bed ! Will leave you with this ??? Keith.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/cockpits/cop13.jpg

[ozbeowulf]

Piper Apache from the 1950s, I'd say...

[norwich]

Ozbeowulf, You are so correct, that did'nt last too long, I will sit back and watch, and learn. It's down to you ! Keith.

[ozbeowulf]

Challenges have been turning over quite quickly just now, but this may slow things down a bit.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg192/ozbeowulf/wotzit_16.jpg

Then again, with all the sharp minds around here, this may not last ten minutes.

Glenn

[India Four Two]

Slingsby T21 motorglider?

[aviate1138]

Volmer Jensen VJ-22? :rolleyes:

[ozbeowulf]

Not the Slingsby or the Volmer. Sorry.

[norwich]

Come on Ozbeowulf, must be time for a clue, my brain is defragmenting, I do have a box full of glider fuel here ! Keith.

[ozbeowulf]

Okay, Keith. Clue-time, it is...

This challenge was a single-engine prototype from a well known aircraft manufacturer. This was a proof-of-concept version, hence the somewhat rough appearance. It racked up fewer than 100 hours of flight testing. The proposed standard version received a fair amount of publicity but never went into production. Two examples of a larger, more powerful, twin-engine version were tested by the military, but were not purchased.

Glenn

[ozbeowulf]

Time for another clue, methinks.

The prototype in the photo first flew in the late 1950s. The military evaluated and rejected the larger version in the 1960s. The rejection was totally justified. This was no high-flier and its failure greatly damaged the reputation of the once respected manufacturer.

Glenn

[Agaricus bisporus]

Auster Avis

[ozbeowulf]

Sorry, not an Auster of any model. From a different country, in fact.

[ozbeowulf]

Okay, 36 hours and counting, but no one has come close yet. Time for further clues.

The manufacturer was an American company whose name you would quickly recognise. It may be overstating the case somewhat to say that this hopelessly flawed aircraft drove the company out of business, but it certainly seems to have been a last gasp that failed. Oddly enough, the design concept involved was, in fact, a gem of an idea. But bold ideas sometimes succeed and sometimes fail.

The prototype pictured had a single engine of less than 100 horsepower. The larger version tested and rejected by the US Army had two engines, each with more than 100 horsepower.

I'm headed for bed now but I'll be back on deck in seven hours or so.

Think laterally and make me proud of you.

Glenn

[evansb]

Curtiss-Wright Air-Car Prototype.

[twochai]

Nice wheels!

[norwich]

Phew, my brain hurts ! Very very obscure, and out on that limb again .....
GOODYEAR AO2, AO3, MODEL 466 INFLATOPLANE haha. Keith.

[ozbeowulf]

Well done, Brian! :ok: Evansb has control!

And the source for my vague hints and wordplay....

The prototype...

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg192/ozbeowulf/aircar1.jpg

Advertising for the never-built civilian model...

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg192/ozbeowulf/aircar2.jpg

and the military test version...

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg192/ozbeowulf/aircar3.jpg

Perhaps they assumed the enemy would die laughing.

Glenn

[evansb]

Thanks Glenn! Great challenge! Here is the next 'What Cockpit?'

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WC080325.jpg

[norwich]

Mmmm, Gonna kick this one off with DOUGLAS DOLPHIN, C21, C26, C29 etc. Keith.
Ozbeowulf's previous was supurb !

[evansb]

Sorry Keith, not a Douglas product.

[S'land]

A wild guess. Sikorsky S-39 Flying Boat?

[evansb]

Sorry, it is not a flying boat or a seaplane. The aircraft was featured on an airmail stamp.

[MReyn24050]

Possibly a Ryan B-5 Brougham?

[evansb]

Mel is correct:ok: You have control.

[MReyn24050]

Thank you Bri. Great challenge. :ok: It was the strut going from the upper corner of the cockpit and the glazing that clinched it.
Here is a nice easy one.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz317.jpg
Mel

[norwich]

Toe in water time ! Fairey Fulmar ?????? Keith.

[MReyn24050]

This one is not the Fulmar, Keith.

[S'land]

How about the Fairey Firefly?

[MReyn24050]

S'land has it it is indeed a Fairey Firefly Mk1.:ok:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/fairey_firefly_mk1.jpg
You have control.

[S'land]

AThank you sir. At long last, one that I knew and I am stuck in Austria away from my own computer.

Afraid that it is open house as I will not be back home until the weekend.

[norwich]

As I think I came second in Mels challenge, I'll leave you with this easy one for the day. Keith.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/cockpits/cop17.jpg

[ozbeowulf]

Martin B26 Marauder.

If confirmed, it's open house

Glenn

[norwich]

Yes Glenn is correct ! Sorry for delay, nightmare day ! So we can have another easy one from someone ? Keith.

[norwich]

OK, waiting 2.5 hrs, nothing yet, am I being greedy by posting again ? Keith.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/cockpits/cop19.jpg

[Cubs2jets]

Would that be a Funk?

I see she's on floats... maybe an Aeronca Sedan?

C2j

[norwich]

C2j, You people are all too much for me, must try harder ! There is no maybe it is a 1946 Aeronca Sedan AC15 ! and on floats ! How did you know ??? This is it (as you know) ?????? Keith ?????

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/AeroncaSedan.jpg

[Cubs2jets]

Water rudder handle in the lower left of the picture and then the shape of the yokes and "spacious" feel of the cabin telling me it was not a Chief or
Taylorcraft BC12.

I'm off to dinner. Will post when I come back.

C2j

[India Four Two]

Keith,

The water rudder handle is an immediate giveaway. In case it's not clear, the water rudders are raised by pulling on the handle attached to a chain and the handle is then hooked onto the bracket on the panel. To lower the rudders, which are spring-loaded, you unhook the handle and put it on the cockpit floor. Low-tech but effective.

Instructors are not impressed if you try to take off or land with the water rudders lowered. They are only designed for use when taxying.

Another clue is the large "boat keyfob", which allows the keys to float when you drop them in the water!

[Cubs2jets]

OK! Here is the next "What cockpit". I'll start with the hint that it is the last of its type in the world. There is a cousin in another museum that is the last of its kind too.

C2j

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj200/Cubs2jets/CockpitLHsidewall.jpg?t=1206670776

[India Four Two]

C2J, I'll start it off. Based purely on the Throttle and Mixture controls, is it a US design?

[Cubs2jets]

India Four Two,

Yes it is.

C2j

[Cubs2jets]

Wow! Must be a massive computer server outage due to "Earth Day"??

A modification to the original clue has come to my attention. There is another slightly more distant cousin (also the last of its kind) located in another museum. I'm not sure if this cousin is complete or not. The three museums are widely seperated.

C2j

[evansb]

Curtiss BF2-C1 ? or the F11C-3 ?

[Cubs2jets]

Technically, no

C2j

[evansb]

Are you calling it a F11C-2 Goshawk ?

[Cubs2jets]

Evansb

No

C2j

[evansb]

Curtiss XP-6E ?

[Cubs2jets]

evansb,

Go back to your first post and my reply.

C2j

P.S. I found a fourth distant cousin in another museum.

[norwich]

Evansb, you have PM !

[evansb]

Technically, could it be the Curtiss XF11C-3 ?

[Cubs2jets]

evansb,

Don't mean to give you a headache, and to a point (but not technically) we are splitting a fine hair. No, it is not an XF11C-3.

To recap:
U.S. design.
4 "cousins" in museums widely seperated.

The picture did NOT come from a book or the web. I took it.

C2j

[evansb]

Curtiss Hawk III. The export model.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/CurtissHawkIII.jpg

[Cubs2jets]

Finally!! :D :ok:

You were so close with your first post. I thought you would catch the camoflage paint. Lots of pictures on the 'net. I took my pictures with an early generation, low-res digital in 2002.

The "technicality" was that the export version of the BF2C-1 (Hawk III) had different wing structure and engine.

The "cousins":

Hawk III - Thai Air Force Museum, Bangkok Thailand
BF2C-2 - National Museum of Naval Aviation, Pensecola, FL
F6C-4 - Gulfhawk I Smithsonian Udvar-Hazy Washington, DC
Hawk II - Polish Aviation Museum, Cracow, Poland

Great job. Over to you!

C2j

[evansb]

Thanks C2j. The canopy mechanism was the big clue, but I could not rationalize the camo scheme. The Hawk III of the Chinese Air Force in the photos I first reviewed did not have canopies. I did however find a photo of the Curtiss XP-6E, which was the first biplane Curtiss installed a canopy on, but again the colour scheme did not match-up. I simply must get to Thailand. Here is the next challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP080329.jpg

[Cubs2jets]

Spencer Aircar?

C2j

[evansb]

Not the Spencer Air Car. This one appears to be a more contemporary design, although like the Air Car, having it blow up in a James Bond movie might be a possibility.

[Cubs2jets]

The more I look at the picture I agree.

I think the "view" our the window is photoshopped in it gives the impression of being a seaplane and of European origin.

Is it the Aero-Volga L-6?

C2j

[norwich]

Can I push in with Stol UC1 Twin Bee ????? Keith.

[India Four Two]

Keith,

I think C2j has it. I initially thought the religious pictures on the right might indicate an Italian (P-136) origin, but the cockpit is wrong for a Piaggio. They are clearly Orthodox icons.

Correction - I think it is the LA-8.

[evansb]

India Four Two has it!:ok: Well done. It is indeed an AeroVolga LA-8. You have control.

[India Four Two]

Thanks, Bri. A very nice looking aircraft.

The picture I had ready - the Sopwith Dolphin - has a) been done before and b) I cannot access Photobucket anyway, so open house.

[norwich]

Please Mr can I go again ???? This is another of my easy posts ???? Keith.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/cockpits/cop20.jpg

[India Four Two]

Keith,

If this aircraft had a battery and it went flat, would you call out the AA? ;)

I42

[norwich]

I42. Initially, yes that's exactly the thing to do ! ;)
Keith.

[sycamore]

I`d get PA and Ell to give a bit of `elf !

Been there ,got the `t`shirt..

[norwich]

Just for a moment there I thought I lost more than an hour's sleep last night ! haha.
I like cryptic, I think I know what your getting at Sycamore ! it aint one of those (not even the only one) ????
It's pretty certain that I42 knows, but he aint sayin ???? Keith. phew !

[windriver]

Arrow Active?

[norwich]

Spot on Windriver, It is indeed the Arrow Active, the floor is yours. Keith.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/arrowactive.jpg

[windriver]

My scanner isn`t working and I haven't got anything to hand... so open house...

[twochai]

Here's a quickie which will not last long!

http://s278.photobucket.com/albums/kk89/twochai/?action=view&current=COC.jpg

[ZH875]

Here's a quickie which will not last long!

http://s278.photobucket.com/albums/kk89/twochai/?action=view&current=COC.jpg


No picture visible so it must be a Stealth Fighter!.

[twochai]

http://s278.photobucket.com/albums/kk89/twochai/?action=view&current=COC.jpg

Sorry: Try this one - something modern, for a change.

[windriver]

http://www.content-delivery.co.uk/COC.jpg

Allow me - Original probably too big...

[norwich]

Bombardier Challenger 850 ????

[Brian Abraham]

Piaggio Avanti?

[twochai]

Not a Bombardier product.

Brian, can you be more precise on the Avanti?

[Speedpig]

Piaggio Avanti II
If correct, I take no credit as Brian did the work.
;)

[twochai]

Speedpig: you are precisely correct, of course. Over to you, or Brian??

[Brian Abraham]

To you Speedpig. Being the mostest correct. :ok:

[Speedpig]

Brian, I'm at work and don't have access to anything.
Please take it away.

SP

[Brian Abraham]

Open house folks.

[stevef]

I forgot to tag this cockpit when I downloaded it a few months ago so I don't know what it is. I'm sure the answer will be along shortly.
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r291/stevef_2007/Cockpit75.jpg

[Planegill]

Its the Fisher XP-75

[ozbeowulf]

That's an interesting picture of the XP-75 cockpit. It appears to have been "tweaked" at some point. Note the row of toggle switches just to the right of the artificial horizon caging knob. They're floating in air with the end switch shown as if it was mounted across two different surfaces at obviously differing levels.

I see that the same photo appears on the USAF National Museum website, on the uscockpits.com website and over and over again elsewhere on the net.

Btw, I'm not disputing Planegill's identification of the cockpit. David just doesn't get 'em wrong. I simply find the modification interesting and I wonder where and when it was photoshopped.

Cheers,

Glenn

[Brian Abraham]

ozbeowulf - I think what makes you think it may be photo shopped is caused by a shadow running from the 10 o'clock to the 4 o'clock. That's my impression, course could be up a creek whith out a paddle.

[evansb]

While we are waiting for stevef to reply, here is a mystery cockpit to keep the thread going:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WC080402.jpg

[stevef]

I make that six minutes!
Well done Planegill; the cockpit name comes back to me now.

[norwich]

This sounds rediculous to me but get going with Poberezny P-9 Pixie ?????
Keith.

[evansb]

Sorry Keith, not the Poberezny P-9 'Pober' Pixie, but similar in configuration and category. The mystery aircraft is a bit older. As founder of the EAA, Paul Poberezny is probably familiar with the mystery aircraft.

[Cubs2jets]

Corbin Ace

C2j

[evansb]

Corben made several Ace models. Can you be more specific?

[norwich]

You said it was older ! but can it be this old ? I will not take the credit if it is (click on properties) thats for C2j ! Keith.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/Corbensuperace.gif

[evansb]

Yes Keith, it is a restored Corben Super Ace.:ok: As Planegill identified the XP-75 cockpit, I'll let him decide what should be done. Credit also to C2j.

[Cubs2jets]

Sorry friends, I've been out. Let norwich run with it.

C2j

[Planegill]

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/Test18.jpg

[Cubs2jets]

HP Jetstream?

C2j

[norwich]

I'm going with CASA C212 100 early model ????? Keith.

[Planegill]

Sorry, not the Jetstream or the CASA 212

[Brian Abraham]

Volpar Beech 18 conversion?

[Planegill]

Not the Beech 18 of any kind

[evansb]

The cockpit looks Eastern European. Perchance, do you know how many were produced?

[Planegill]

Hi Bri - Yes it is Eastern European. I won't say how may were built as that seems to be a giveaway clue.

[norwich]

Antonov AN28 / PZL Mielec M28 ????? Keith.

[MReyn24050]

Beriev Be-30 perhaps?

[evansb]

Attention ppruner's, My cockpit photo on thread #1482 is a Beriev Be-32K, All other variants are fair game to post.

[MReyn24050]

As Bri rightly states the Beriev Be-32KM was a derivative of the Beriev Be-30, however it had a different windscreen layout.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Be-32MK_ov.jpg
Be-32Km
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/be30-1.gif
Be-30
Planegill's challenge has a similar windscreen layout to the Be-30, hence my response but then I have been wrong many times before :)
Mel

[Planegill]

Mel is correct, it is the Beriev Be-30.
With all due respect, the previous thread at #1482 was incorrectly identified. It is not the Be-32. It is the prototype Beriev A-40 Albatross. You can see it has a bigger pedestal and a generally wider cockpit. The Be-32 has the same cockpit window arrangement as the Be-30. (That would be a major modification to make to an aircraft.) I can't find any photos which show this clearly, although you can see in this one that there is a centreline window.
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Moscow-Airways/Beriev-Be-32/0813362/L/
Here is another A-40 cockpit photo. I don't know if this was an updated version or the second prototype. I downloaded this photo, but can vouch it is the same as the aircraft I inspected and photographed at AirExpo 92 in Auckland. (Unfortunately I can't find my photos at the moment.)

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/A40-1.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Planegill, and thanks for your input regarding the Beriev Be-32K. I know that the photograph Bri published at Post #1482 is also identified as the Be-32K on a well known website. The following photograph is of a Be-32k which shows the central windscreen clearly.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/BerievB-32k.jpg
However on the Beriev website they have a three view drawing showing the Be-32KM which has a different windscreen layout. See link:-
http://www.beriev.com/eng/Be-32K_e/Be-32K_e.html
Whether this aircraft was built I do not know.
Next challenge to follow soon.
Mel

[MReyn24050]

I know this will not last long.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz321-1.jpg

Mel

[Agaricus bisporus]

Can't be a P38, that must have been done before?

[MReyn24050]

No this one is not the P38, that has definitely been done before.
Mel

[Kitbag]

Going with the allied countries, twin engine, narrow fuselage theme- HP Hampden?

[MReyn24050]

kitbag, you are correct going with the Allied Countries but this one was not a HP Hampden.
Mel

[Kitbag]

Ah well, 1 out of 4 can't be bad :}

Something makes me think it is French, how about LeO 451?

[norwich]

Time to go out on that limb again ......... Petlyakov Pe-2, Pe-3 ???? Keith.

[MReyn24050]

Sorry for the delay, trying to find the answer to the latest Avia quiz chalenge. However, kitbag, this one was not a French aircraft and norwich, not a Petlyakov aircraft either.

[norwich]

Ok what about Tupolev TU - 2 ???? Keith.

[MReyn24050]

Sorry Keith this one was not from Tupolev. Mel

[twochai]

OK, time for a SWAG: Hughes XF-11??

[norwich]

Just to fill another box ... Ilyushin IL 4 ???? Keith.

[MReyn24050]

Twochai. This aircraft was not from the USA. Keith is in the right part of the world but I am afraid to say it was not from Ilyushin. At this stage in the proceedings I should add this was a rare bird.
Mel

[MReyn24050]

I am a little surprised this one has lasted so long. Some 700 viewing since original posting.
To recap, this aircraft is an aircraft that was built in the Soviet Union but as stated earlier it was a rarity.
Mel

[norwich]

To continue trawling the entire USSR fleet !! I will try the Polikarpov VIT-1
Keith ?

[MReyn24050]

Not a Polikarpov aircraft. This aircraft did not enter service. You are correct in that this aircraft was a twin.
Mel

[Lobo3]

Just a shot,but is this from the Mig Family?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry Lobo3 but this one was not a Mig either.
Mel

[Lobo3]

This thing is ringing all kinds of Bells,I'll sit and think on it for a bit,something has to give?:ugh:

[norwich]

I am running out of everything as well? I am going to suggest this, thinking it's wrong already ....
Vladimar Yermolov / Bartini designed DB 240? Keith ?

[norwich]

Desperation No 1 .... Antonov / Tupolev ANT 29.

[norwich]

Desperation No 2. Antonov / Tupolev ANT 46.

[MReyn24050]

Sorry keith, not the Vladimar Yermolov / Bartini designed DB 240. To recap the aircraft was of soviet design but did not come from the following stables:
MiG
Polikarpov
Petlyakov
Tupolev
Antonov
Ilyushin
It was a twin engined experimental aircraft of unusual design.
Mel

[norwich]

Clutching at straws again .... Sukhoy SU - 12 ?????

[MReyn24050]

Sorry Keith, this one was not a Sukhoy SU - 12 or a Spotter & Reconnaissance Aircraft it was designed as a bomber.
Mel

[sycamore]

Obviously nobody reads `Aeroplane` any more ; Belyaev DB-LK.....
help yourselves....Syc.

[MReyn24050]

sycamore
As you say it would appear that not many read the Aeroplane these days, I thought when I put this one up it would be spotted immediately. It is indeed the Belyaev DB-LK.:ok::D, which was the subject of a recent article in the "Aeroplane".
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/BelyaevDB-LKBatwing.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/DB-LK_2.jpg
help yourselves....Syc
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/DB-LK_1.jpg
Do I take it that you are declaring "Open House", if so after all the effort norwich put in I suggest he takes up the challenge.
Mel

[norwich]

Well done Sycamore, and well done Mel ! That was one megga challange !
I hope this is "open house" as I am going to post a realy easy one, and then go to bed ! So here goes .....

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/cockpits/cop8.jpg

[Brian Abraham]

Airship of some sort. I mean dirigble (sp).

[ozbeowulf]

The Goodyear blimp, I'd say. Circa late 1980s or 1990s. I believe it has a glass cockpit now.

Glenn

[norwich]

Ozbeowulf has it, It's said to be Goodyear Blimp N1A "Mayflower" photo of 1971.
Difficult to track down as Goodyear seem to use the same registration and names for different craft ! Over to you Glenn.

[ozbeowulf]

Thanks, Keith...

When I confirmed my initial guesstimate, I found a 1989 photo. Even 18 years later, you can't mistake that big wood-rimmed pitch trimmer!

Here's a challenge from the big bird end of the ramp....

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg192/ozbeowulf/wotzit_17.jpg

[sycamore]

Ginger-beers panel on Concorde ?

[ozbeowulf]

Sorry, not the Concorde.

[MReyn24050]

As you say not Concorde, please check PMs.
Mel

[ozbeowulf]

Response sent re your PM, Mel...

Re the challenge cockpit, it's almost midnight in Oz and I'm off to bed. Back on deck in seven hours or so.

Glenn

[dixi188]

Thinks COMET?

4 engines, 3 hydraulic sys.

[MReyn24050]

dixi188. I can tell you on behalf of ozbeowulf that you are correct in saying it was a four-engined aircraft but it is not a Comet.
Mel

[dixi188]

A capt. I fly with says its a Convair 880 or 990

[ozbeowulf]

Thanks, Mel...

Sorry, dixi188. The captain you fly with is wrong.

Before everyone goes to sleep in the UK, a recap...

Not a Comet; not a Concorde, but broadly contemporary. This aircraft's life span began in the twenty year period between the first flight dates of the Comet and the Concorde.

Glenn

[dixi188]

A guess, Canadair CL44

[dixi188]

We are sat in our lovely new crew room in Leipzig and the one person who would know if its a CL44 left about an hour ago.

[ozbeowulf]

Sorry, mate. Not a CL-44, either.

Glenn

[paulc]

illyushin Il18?

[ozbeowulf]

Not an Ilyushin, I'm afraid.

Twenty-four hours in now; perhaps it's time for a hint.

This challenge is a transport aircraft. It was designed to carry a specific critical class of bulky cargo, though it hauled a variety of loads in its day.

Glenn

[norwich]

How about the Antonov AN 22 ??? Keith ????

[ozbeowulf]

Not an Antonov, either.

Glenn

[norwich]

Never give up ! What about the Guppy / Super Guppy / Super Duper Guppy / Pistons / Turbo Prop etc etc ? Keith ?

[ozbeowulf]

That's a very big net you're casting, Keith. I'll answer in the same vein. This aircraft has two wings; one on each side.

Otherwise, it is not a Guppy of any kind.

The color of the FE panel might help identify the aircraft's manufacturer, but only if you carefully consider the time frame and don't jump to conclusions.

Glenn

[dixi188]

Got it. C133 Cargomaster.

Its been keeping me awake for hours.

Off to bed now so open house if correct.

[ozbeowulf]

Well done, Dixi188! :ok: It is the Douglas C-133 Cargomaster, designed to carry the Titan missiles used in the US IBM system.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg192/ozbeowulf/c133_pic.jpg

The C-133 had fatigue problems and was retired by the USAAF in 1971. A lone flyable example continues in Alaska doing occasional special flights... or at least it did until recently. An April 2006 flight was the latest I could find.

More info at http://www.ruudleeuw.com/c-133_by_sibitzky.htm

Dixi188 says open house, so.......

Glenn

[Agaricus bisporus]

Can't access the list, so ths may have been done, don't suppose it will last long with you guys!

And apologies for my photo editing technique too.http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc189/agaricusbisporus/file-1.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Lists of both the What Cockpit and What Aerodrome challenges are available on a seperate thread entitled " What Cockpit and What aerodrome latest Lists" the last up date was carried out on the 3rd April 2008.
Mel

[sycamore]

Something `fishy` from across the Pond?....

[Agaricus bisporus]

Fishy? Maybe. But made it's reputation, as Kipling put it, as "a kind of a giddy harumfrodite" if that makes sense...

Across thte pond? Well, depends on which way you are looking, this particular beast doesn't live in it's country of origin. But it's out there right now, alive, well and snarling...

And apologies guys, I see that this one has been done before.

[MReyn24050]

as Kipling put it, as "a kind of a giddy harumfrodite" if that makes sense... .
That would indicate Marines to me.
This could possibly be a Grumman F7F Tigercat once operated by the USMC but know used as a water bomber. The lower part of the panel is certainly similar to the Tigercat.
Mel

[Agaricus bisporus]

Waterbomber, no. Tigercat, yes. Well done.

This is the Swedish Air Force's example, at the Fighter Meet, N Weald c. 1992

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Agaricus bisporus. Here is the next one a really easy one.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz323.jpg
Mel

[sycamore]

A-B, I was going to suggest it came from a certain `iron-mongers`/blacksmiths,but was beaten to it !!!

Next one,has to be a `Thud`(-105) !!

[MReyn24050]

You see I said it was an easy one. It is indeed the Republic F105 Thunderchief. :ok::D. You have control Sycamore.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/f-105d-00000015.jpg

[evansb]

To keep the forum going, here is the next 'What Cockpit?':
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WC080410.jpg

[ozbeowulf]

Now that's what I call a challenge!

One question, Bri. Was this photo taken OF the pilot's operating position or FROM the pilot's operating position?

Glenn

[Speedpig]

One question, Bri. Was this photo taken OF the pilot's operating position or FROM the pilot's operating position?

This devious question is clearly aimed at ascertaining whether 'tis a chopper or not:D

[wz662]

The photo is taken FROM the side of pilot flying position, you can see the driver's controls on the far side!The Airframe was built by R Malcolm Ltd Slough, although a lage chunk was supplied from America. The Designer was Austrian.You may gather I know the answer but have no way of posting another cockpit.

[windriver]

Fairey Jet Gyrodyne?

[norwich]

WZ662, following your lead, a search brought me to this obscure vehicle !
Hafner Rotabuggy Flying Jeep ... Roadable Aircraft ... All credit to to you !
Keith.

[wz662]

A bit too easy for me I'm afraid. I have copies of the original trials reports (which include that photo) and I was also partly responsible for rescuing the original (tracing paper) drawings for the rotor and control system for the Rotobuggy. These now reside in the Museum at Middle Wallop with the rest of Mr Haffner's papers. If anyone knows of the location of the R Malcolm (they were part of ML Aviation) drawings I'd be most greatful.

[evansb]

norwich has correctly identified the cockpit as a Hafner Rotabuggy Flying Jeep.:ok::D You have control.

[norwich]

Thank you EVANSB, I must also thank WZ662 for his help ! I assume SYCAMORE who missed a posting earlier, is still off line ? So I will post another of my very easy pics !!!! ???? Keith.


http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/cockpits/cop24.jpg

[evansb]

No replies? Keith, check your personal messages.

[norwich]

Have checked my "pm's" and one person out there know's the answer ! so to speed things up ! a clue, this aircraft was produced in both tricycle undercarriage, and taildragger versions ???? and in several countries ???
Keith.

[norwich]

In addition to that, the guy who designed it produced mmmmmmmmmm 21 other aircraft ??????? haha Keith.

[pigboat]

The name escapes me, but there was a Bellanca design produced in Canada by Northwest Industries of Edmonton, AB, during the 1960's. I seem to remember it came with either conventional or nosewheel gear.

[norwich]

Pigboat, Thank you for your reply, but it is not that make or model ! please have another try ??? Keith ?

[norwich]

It's getting late , here in the UK, so another little cluette, the particular aircraft in my post has an Australian registration VH-??? come on guy's how many more clues do you need ? Keith.

[Cubs2jets]

Aermacchi Lockheed AL60

C2j

[norwich]

Yes, Yes, Yes C2j it is indeed :D we await your next challenge. Keith.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/Lockheed_LASA-60_74.jpg

[sycamore]

So sorry guys,as I haven`t got any pics,if I manage to get one right,as in golf`Please play though`,or is it `Fore`!!

[Cubs2jets]

Thank you norwich.

This "What Cockpit" is in a museum, it was one of the first of its kind and it and its pilot were well known in their day.

C2jhttp://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj200/Cubs2jets/Cockpit5.jpg?t=1208013091

[LOMCEVAK]

Pitts Special? Is it the one in the Udvar-Hazy (possible spelling error!)museum in Washington?

[norwich]

Pitts Rice SC 1 N66Y @ Oshkosh ?????

[Cubs2jets]

LOMCEVAK is correct!

Betty Skelton's "Little Stinker" hanging in the entry hallway of the Udvar-Hazy Annex of the Smithsonian Air & Space Museum.

C2j

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj200/Cubs2jets/Airplane5.jpg?t=1208038811

[evansb]

While waiting for LOMCEVAK's reply, here is the next mystery cockpit:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP080413.jpg

[norwich]

Well ! someone has to start it off ! So Northrop A-17 ??? don't laugh. Keith.

[evansb]

Keith! Sorry, it is not the Northrop A-17 Nomad. The mystery ship is newer, faster, yet still a tail-dragger.

[LOMCEVAK]

evansb, thanks - I did not have one to post.

Rgds

L

[sycamore]

Obviously a turbo-prop conversion,with retractable gear ?

[evansb]

Retractable gear. Not a turbo-prop.

Here is clue: Only one was built.

[sycamore]

On the strength that it looks vaguely T-6ish, I`ll go fo the Ranger variant...
assuming it is American..

Nah.! forget that;I`m sure the T-6 Ranger was de-modded; and this looks a funny mix of old and new,particularly the 2 %age rpm gauges,and what appears to be a JPT/EGT gauge,air driven a/hzn and DI....give up,gizza clue!!

[evansb]

It is an American design, but not a T-6 Ranger.

[norwich]

This looks and sounds unreal, but I'm going with Vought XF5U / V173, another obscure product ????? Keith.

[evansb]

Sorry not a Vought. It is very rare/obscure. This was an experimental test-bed aircraft built to examine the aerodynamic effects of a particular technology. The gauges sycamore mentions are a good clue to the overall configuration of the machine. I don't think the manufacturer built any other type other than the mystery aircraft.

[smuff2000]

Short SC1?

Should have read earlier posts properly, is it the TailSitter Turboprop cannot offhand remember the name though and no reference books to hand.

Just googled tail sitter and came up with XFV1 Salmon.

[evansb]

Sorry not a Short SC-1. Not the XFV-1 Salmon. Not a T-prop. This is one odd-ball airplane.

[twochai]

TEMCO Model 51 lightweight trainer??

[Agaricus bisporus]

Oddball, EGT gauge and light aircraft air instruments. Got me thinking plenum chamber burning, blown flaps, blown wing, Coanda? The structure doesn't look high-speed strong, more like a homebuilt.

Not turboprop (turbofan = twin RPM gauges), taildragger and clearly very experimental, almost certainly for slow speed research.

Aha!! the Ball-Bartoe Jetwing should cover it then!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball-Bartoe_Jetwing

Now that's a strange beast, never even heard of it before!

[evansb]

Agaricus bisporus is on the ball:ok: :D Reminiscent of the late 1930s Campini-Caproni N.1, the Ball-Bartoe JW-1 Jetwing is now stored in a Colorado museum. You have control.

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/Ball-Bartoe20Jetwing.jpg

[sycamore]

Any in-flight pics of that B-B Jetwing; looks as if it was put together using a few bits from a Wildcat !

[Agaricus bisporus]

My scanner can't handle colour prints, so

Open House!

[evansb]

We enjoy black-and-white photos too!

Bill Gunston's book 'Chronicle of Aviation' printed in 1992, page 748, has a photo of the Ball-Bartoe Jetwing in-flight. The image is too small for me to scan.

[Agaricus bisporus]

The only B&W cockpit stuff I have is B29, and thats been done, quite apart from being a total give-away.

Come on, someone!

[norwich]

I have an easy black & white offering ?? Keith.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/cockpits/cop23.jpg

[sycamore]

AHh-so,guess I get Zero for that !!:ooh:

[norwich]

Ahh so ... no "0" in this "1" Keith ?????
OK time for a clue ! built for a navy, but land based ???? Keith.
Wow its been 25 hrs now so a few more snippets ??
First flight March 1942.
Entered service December 1942.
Major engine problems for the first year !
621 built ???
Honestly thought, with that powerhouse of knowledge out there, this would last minutes ????? Keith.