What Cockpit? MK VI

[DeKd]

It is a Caproni Ca.3, which was powered by three engines -two tractors on the wings, with a pusher at the back of the crew nacelle.


I think you will find RETDPI is more correct. The Ca.3 had Isotta-Fraschini motors in the booms, but the photo shows cowled Gnomes...=Ca.1 ..:8

[evansb]

Yes, you are probably correct. I too have seen a photo of a half-cowled Ca.1 Curiously, the original photo was captioned "CA.300".
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/Caproni_Ca300.jpg

[evansb]

No responses to your challenge yet? I'll say your photo is the cockpit of a Gotha Go.145.

[stevef]

:ok:
I was just about to post a clue, too!
Over to you...

[evansb]

Thanks Steve. I find the graphic style of your cockpit photo quite pleasant. Here is the next cockpit challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/abqjpg.jpg

[oncemorealoft]

Vikers Varsity (sorry hae not had a chance to see if it's been done before).

[evansb]

Sorry, not the Vickers Varsity.

[norwich]

ho ho ho evansb, yes me again with Convair 640 (properties ?) Keith.

[mr fish]

looks like a MARTIN 404 (i hope),frank sinatra's favoured ride!!

[evansb]

Sorry, not the Convair 640, nor the Martin 404. All my photos have "Convair640" in the properties label.

[Agaricus bisporus]

looks just like one of the '50s trash haulers - Packet/Boxcar but isn't. The eyebrow windows are Noratlas but that has 3 square screen panels, not 2. What does "164" in the control wheel boss signify?

Hmmm...

[evansb]

Well, it isn't a Fairchild. I don't know what the numbers on the control yoke mean.

As a hint, the Martin 404 was not far off the mark.

[twochai]

Martin 2-0-2??

[evansb]

Yes twochai, it is a Martin 2-0-2. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/Martin202_NWA.jpg

[twochai]

Your clue was too helpful, evansb.

That's a fine print of Martin's best. I remember a nice ride from YOW to DCA on an Eastern machine back in the sixties.

Next up, shouldn't take long:

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk89/twochai/79079593-1.jpg

[mr fish]

gauges look us navy, er wildcat-hellcat??

[twochai]

Nope, sorry, no blue water here.

[Cubs2jets]

An updated version of the ME/BF-109 / HA1112?

C2j

[twochai]

Sorry, neither Heinkel, nor Messerschmitt, nor CASA derivatives thereof.

[sycamore]

How about a new build Yak 3/9?

[twochai]

Sorry, sycamore, not a Yak either.

[India Four Two]

What does "164" in the control wheel boss signify?I too thought Bri had left a significant clue when I found this reference to the History of the Fisher-Price Airplane (Tu-164 / FP-72) (http://www.weathergraphics.com/tim/fisher/)

However, it was not the case and I couldn't find a reference to 1st April anywhere ;)

[stevef]

Tandem seat, retractable gear... something from the Eastern Bloc with German roots?

[fire-fox]

is a mig 3

[sycamore]

On second thoughts,it`s the `home of the gnome`,or the Pilatus P-2..

[twochai]

Sycamore: you have it, it is the Pilatus P2-06:

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk89/twochai/79079585.jpg

You have control.

[sycamore]

Sorry guys,open house...

[RETDPI]

Here's a real mans' aeroplane...
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u242/gjquick/Jan2004cockpit.jpg

[fire-fox]

think its a bristol.

remember seing the same pic in an old book that i no longer have (mice) about british aircraft makers.

[stevef]

Firefox is just about there: it's the Bristol 170 Freighter.

[ozbeowulf]

And it's an early model 170, to boot. Note the yoke-mounted lever for
pneumatic brakes.

Not a whole lot of fun on a long taxi with a leaky brake accumulator,
especially when there's a sharp turn just before a gully.

Melbourne Essendon in the 1970s.... those were the days.

Cheers,

Glenn

[FlightlessParrot]

Excuse me for the OT, but could someone explain why the Pilatus P2-06 has that orange-squeezer arrangement on its spinner?

[RETDPI]

Yes it is the Bristol "Frightener" Stefef has it :ok:.
Apologies to those who noted it had ben posted before. A GINuine error.:O

[stevef]

Thanks, RETDPI.
This one shouldn't pose any problems:

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r291/stevef_2007/whatcockpit25.jpg

[aviate1138]

FlightlessParrot asked

"Excuse me for the OT, but could someone explain why the Pilatus P2-06 has that orange-squeezer arrangement on its spinner?"

Aviate vaguely remembers being told it was a device that, once sufficient airspeed had been reached the vanes spun a pump [hydraulic presumably] that coarsened the prop pitch thereby
acting as a VP prop without any complicated mechanism from the cockpit.

It seems to be a better answer than the chances of meeting any free flying oranges IMHO.

But I do expect to be shot down in flames!

[stevef]

Aviate is right. The airflow turns the vanes and the forward spinner assembly moves forward or aft in relation to the airspeed (presumably against a hub spring), actuating a valve which supplies oil to the pitch mechanism.

[FlightlessParrot]

Thank you, aviate and stevef. Sounds ingenious, but it didn't catch on, I see.

[RETDPI]

Re the orange squeezer.
Try looking back through the 30s and 40s, particularly with German and many Eastern European light aircraft :). Almost a trademark.
I came across it doing a Zlin 526 famil in the late 60's. It was rather intriguing to observe during aerobatics when it would rotate this way and that as the airspeed changed.

[stevef]

Time for a clue, perhaps. This a/c wasn't successful with its intended users but did surprisingly well when used by a foreign air force.

[sycamore]

Brewster Buffalo ?

[stevef]

Sycamore has it! Apparently it was a failure as a US naval fighter but enjoyed considerable success with the Finnish Air Force.
Steve.

[sycamore]

Please ...OPEN THE DOORS!

[evansb]

Here is the next cockpit challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP081028.jpg

[India Four Two]

Single engined, aerobatic?, Polish?

[evansb]

It is single-engined. Not Polish. I don't think it is aerobatic.

[mikedurward]

It looks like a magnified Airfix kit............:)

[sycamore]

Bit up the Creek with this.!

[evansb]

Clue: Production ended in 1960, with just under 300 airframes produced.

[India Four Two]

Not Polish. I don't think it is aerobatic.

How about left a bit. Is it German? The reason I ask is that the odd-looking AH is similar to a German Wendehorizont - a combined AH and Turn and Slip indicator. What a strange concept - having your backup cloud-flying instrument in the same case as the primary one. :eek:

My question about aerobatics was triggered by the toe straps on the rudder pedals. The pedals look like the bindings on my very first pair of skiis!

[evansb]

Sorry, not German (East or West). The aircraft was designed for civilian utility and military applications. Many of the aircraft flying today have been re-engined.

[stevef]

A bit of the Piper Tripacer about it. No further ideas though.

[Cubs2jets]

Bolkow Jr.?

C2j

[evansb]

Although 1950s design influences are evident, the aircraft is not of North American origin.


Note to C2j: the Bolkow Bo-208 Junior was done 11 days ago.

[Cubs2jets]

Thanks evansb,

I guess it was a case of too recently to remember. I looked on the list and didn't see it... LOL !!

C2j

[evansb]

Clue No.2: The military version was armed with an aft-facing gunner, and could carry two small bombs.

[evansb]

Clue No.3: The armed version was rare. The aircraft was also an ambulance, an aerial applicator/top dresser/crop sprayer, and many are presently glider tows.

[S'land]

PZL Wilga?

[fire-fox]

Auster J/1 Autocrat ?

or a WaG (whiled ass gess) PL-12 airtruck

[evansb]

Sorry, not the PL-12 Airtruck, nor the Auster Autocrat. It is not the PZL Wilga, but later versions of the mystery aircraft are powered by the same radial engine as the Wilga.

[India Four Two]

A Wilga engine? So since Poland was ruled out earlier, is the mystery aircraft Russian, Czech or Rumanian?

[evansb]

Czechoslovakian.

[India Four Two]

Aero L-60 Brigadýr?

[evansb]

Yes Simon, it is the Aero L-60. :ok: Powered by the 6-cyl. Praga Doris engine. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/Aero_L60.jpg

[India Four Two]

Bri,

Thanks. I had previously found the L-60 in Wikipedia but discounted it on the grounds that no Storch replacement would have had anything but "man-sized" control columns. ;)

Aero L-60 Brigadýr - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aero_L-60_Brigad%C3%BDr)
The aircraft's configuration bears a strong resemblance to the Fieseler Fi 156 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fieseler_Fi_156) "Storch" licence-produced in Czechoslovakia during and after World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II) (as K-65 Čáp), and which this aircraft was intended to replace



It's Sunday evening here and my cockpit file is in the office, so Open House.

[evansb]

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP081104.jpg

[sycamore]

Japanese,perhaps ?

[evansb]

Not Japanese. During development, the aircraft was redesignated, hence it has two names.

[wz662]

That sweep of the fuselage line reminds me of a Curtiss design but the canopy framing dosen't.

[evansb]

It is not from Curtiss, but the company was in competition with Curtiss.

[evansb]

Several versions of the aircraft were produced for different customers. The photo shows an early version with side-opening canopy, and left-side door, but production versions had a one-piece sliding canopy. The aircraft sold better abroad than domestically.

[sycamore]

A Seversky XP-??

[evansb]

Sorry not the Seversky XP-41, but similar era, type, and an intended customer.

[RETDPI]

I believe it's a photograph of a 1/10th scale company model (built by the Doering brothers) of the Vultee Model 48 ; later known as the Vanguard ( P-66).
I don't think, however, that the shape of the canopy is precisely as that which eventually emerged on the full size aeroplane.

P.S. It would be very interesting to me if somebody could actually photo confirm that precise canopy configuration on the prototype.

[aviate1138]

If that is a 10th scale model it has incredible detail! :rolleyes:

Just checked - it is a model! Fantastic detail - the brothers must be Museum modelers.

Great stuff.

Is this the one you are looking for?

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/aviate1138/Picture18-2.jpg

[evansb]

RETDPI has correctly identified the aircraft. The Vultee Model 48 Vanguard/P-66. Look closely, you can see the door. He has control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/VulteeVanguardP-48.jpg
Here is the model:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/VulteeModel48_Vanguard.jpg

[RETDPI]

Thanks evansb.
At least there shouldn't be any ambiguity regarding the canopy on this cockpit :)

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u242/gjquick/Acock0001.jpg

[wz662]

The only 'minimal airframe' like that I know of is Anthony Fokker's first aircraft.
Open house if I'm right.

[RETDPI]

WZ 662 ,
Good enough for government work! :ok:

To be precise it is the replica built in 1936, based upon Tony Fokker's third "Spin".
This replica is still extant.

Open house it is :)

[evansb]

Here is the next "What Cockpit?":
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP081110.jpg

[Dick Whittingham]

Wild guess. Not US nor UK, 1950's jet

Dick

[evansb]

Yes, not from the U.K. nor from U.S.A. It is rocket-assisted, (this version, most were not) and was piston powered.

[evansb]

The rocket assisted version was a rare modification. Most were powered by a V-12 . A version was equipped with a radial engine.

[sycamore]

Two lines of enquiry; M-S 406/430/EFW-D 3800; or,EFW/EKW C-3602..suggested by the `black box` maybe where the breech for the H-S cannon went,rocket-assist-Swiss high airfields ? ASI in kph ? some gauges in english ?

[evansb]

The rocket assist was a "last ditch effort". The fact that some gauges are in english may be a clue as well.

[evansb]

The aircraft was designed to be flown from an aircraft carrier.

[MReyn24050]

Yokosuka D4Y4 perhaps.
Mel

[evansb]

Mel is spot on:ok: The Yokosuka D4Y4 Suisei (Comet), Allied code name "Judy". You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/d4ypic.gif

[MReyn24050]

Thank you Bri, great challenge.
Here is the next one.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz332.jpg
Mel

[twochai]

CASA 212 'Aviocar' perhaps?

[MReyn24050]

Twochai. Well done that man :ok::D. It is the CASA T.12 which is the Spanish military designation for the CASA C-212 Aviocar.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/aht071005T_12D-75202020Casa20212-20.jpg
You have control

[twochai]

Thank you, Mel, nice to see a real airplane on here occasionally.

Next, another challenge, but should not be difficult for the cognoscenti around here:

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk89/twochai/Wotcockpit.jpg

[Cubs2jets]

Canadair 415?

C2j

[twochai]

Sorry, not the 415, nor any other Canadian product.

[Planegill]

Is it the IAI Arava?

[twochai]

Planegill: It is indeed the IAI Arava :ok: well done.

A strange but effective configuration which must owe something to the Nord Noratlas operated by the IDF??

The Antipodes has control.

[Planegill]

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/TestE.jpg

[Cubs2jets]

Ahrens 404?

C2j

[Planegill]

Cub2jets is indeed correct, the Ahrens AR404. (Darn, though it might have lasted a bit longer than that!)
The 4-engined commuter project built by the company that made an art form out of getting Government subsidies to set up an aircraft manufacturing business.
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/AR404.jpg

[Cubs2jets]

Planegill,

Oddly enough the only thing I remotely recognised in the picture was the yoke! 7 unreadable and seemingly identical instruments in a 4 engine plane is certainly a head scratcher! :hmm:

On to the next challenge. So this doesn't drag into next year :bored: , a couple of clues are in order. This aircraft was in serial production (no obscure one off) and the company is still in business today.

C2j

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj200/Cubs2jets/WhatCkpt.jpg?t=1227100052

[evansb]

Northrop A17 Nomad. LF loop antenna big enough?
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/formacion.jpg

[Cubs2jets]

evansb is correct! :ok:

Northrop A-17 Nomad.

Seems that there is less and less participation on this thread, unfortunately. Hopefully it is just a passing phase!

C2j

[evansb]

I hope it is just a brief lull in activity. Here is a modern mystery cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP081122.jpg

[sycamore]

Nah,not enough levers to pull/push,knobs to twist,instruments to look at,keep the scan active; just a bunch of TVs to watch CNN/FOX on,no ADFs to twiddle,and I hope that`s not a HUD in the middle.....get a real man`s cockpit,where you can smell the leather,oil,hyd,get oil under your fingernails,if you`ve any left after checking under the cowlings.....bunch of Boy Scouts !!:):)

[twochai]

Bri: punt the EJ-135/145 and give 'em what they're looking for - they deserve it!

[evansb]

Sorry, not from South America, nor North America.

[sycamore]

The cockpit is rather Spartan though !

[evansb]

Sorry, not the Lockheed Martin Alenia C-27J Spartan. It is a twin-turboprop though.

[norwich]

Hi Bri ! Going out on that limb again with Israel IAI - 1126 Galaxy ??? Keith.

[evansb]

Sorry, not the IAI-1126. Not a pure jet.

[ICT_SLB]

Those look like Sextant (Thales) displays. IPTN CN250? and are those other legs attached to a certain Scots Avionics engineer?

[evansb]

The mystery aircraft had a troubled development. It first flew in 1990.
Under 20 airframes have been completed.

[smuff2000]

Ilyushin 114, open house if correct

[evansb]

smuff is correct. The Ilyushin IL-114. He says "open house".
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/IL114.jpg

[ozbeowulf]

Okay, have a go at this one. Somebody ought to be able to set a new record in identifying it.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg192/ozbeowulf/wotzit21.jpg

[MReyn24050]

An updated list of What Cockpits published to date,can be found above at the sticky "What Cockpit, Which Aerodrome and What Silhouette".
Mel

[norwich]

I will attempt Curtiss A - 12 Shrike ??? Keith.

[ozbeowulf]

Well done, Keith!! The Curtiss A-12 Shrike it is. You have control!

Even though your speed and accuracy kept me from using a clue I was aching to dangle, I'm going to pass it on anyway, to wit: "This aircraft utilised an unusual, and probably unique, drag-reduction method."

In case you've never heard of it (as I had not) that refers to a weird system where the pilot could, while on the ground, lower the A-12 down on the landing gear to minimise the amount of wheel exposed to airflow. That was used for takeoff; the wheels were lowered for landing to take advantage of the full ten inch strut travel.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg192/ozbeowulf/curt-a12.jpg

Sorry for the delay in responding. We've had some massive thunderstorms here and I've only now been able to get back online.

Glenn

[norwich]

Wow, Thanks Glen, Its just so amazing what was done in early aviation to secure a lead and push things forward, but without all of those things where would we be now ?
Thank you Mel for your updated listings.
So to my next post, a little modern, but getting old by the minute, which I assume will remain for nano seconds ??

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/cockpits/cop41.jpg

[evansb]

No takers Keith? How about a SAAB 340?

[norwich]

Yes Bri, Correct again, seems a little slow at the moment ! seasonal maybe ? I posted the Saab 340 just to get the opportunity to use this, in my opinion, supurb photo. The floor is yours my friend .... Keith.

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/keithnewsome/saab340.jpg

[evansb]

Thanks Keith! Beauty photo! I think this thread needs more exposure, and an incentive.
Here is a challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP081129.jpg

[aviate1138]

Could it be a Dee Howard 250 or similar?

[evansb]

aviate is correct.:ok: Well done:D It is a rare tricycle gear Dee Howard 250 conversion. Your turn.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/N250WSAT.jpg

[GHNRY]

Please don't give up, chaps. I get enormous pleasure out of just looking - I cannot contribute, as I cannot compete with the erudition, experience and reference techniques.

Just keep posting, while I sit back and admire.

ghnry

[atb1943]

This is an easy-peasy one though the mixed crew may throw you for a nanosecond!


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/battle_damaged/cockpit.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Ilyushin Il-96 perhaps?
Mel

[sycamore]

Looks a bit like `Scroggs` in the LHS,but that shirt !! Captains wearing Hi-Vis non-ironed shirts is unforgiveable !!!!

[twochai]

Looks a bit like `Scroggs` in the LHS,but that shirt !! Captains wearing Hi-Vis non-ironed shirts is unforgiveable !!!!

Give 'em a break - this is a flight test airplane, look at the instrumentation on the coaming. You'd be surprised how many top notch test pilots wear eyeglasses, loud shirts and long hair!

[Speedpig]

Give 'em a break - this is a flight test airplane, look at the instrumentation on the coaming. You'd be surprised how many top notch test pilots wear eyeglasses, loud shirts and long hair!

.... or, are even female?

[evansb]

I would agree with Mel, I think it is an IL-96M.

[8028410q]

I'll go one further and say it's the Il-96M/T

8028410q

[aviate1138]

Not exactly barging in, more arriving a little late to claim my place! :)

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/aviate1138/cockpitx.jpg

[MReyn24050]

You are not barging in at all aviatte1138 it was your call after Post# 2871. We do not seem to be getting a response from atb1943. I am certain it is the Ilyushin Il-96 and as both Bri and 8028410q stated most probably the Il-96M/T. I am more than happy for your challenge to run.
Mel

[atb1943]

Apols Mel, was away, you are correct, in fact it was parked next to the 114 above (Le Bourget somewhen):D.

Don't know the git on the right, lady on left is wife of git's colleague, all the way from Denver, Colorado.

The IL people were using the cargo hold as their chalet, good vodka!
cheers

atb

p.s. in fact, here you see the entrance to the 'chalet'! Photos: Ilyushin Il-96M Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Ilyushin/Ilyushin-Il-96M/1136753/L/&tbl=photo_info&photo_nr=263&sok=WHERE__(aircraft_generic_%3D_'Ilyushin_Il-96')_&sort=_order_by_photo_id_desc_&prev_id=1137684&next_id=1136199)

[wz662]

All right then I'll have a go at aviate1138's challenge.
Obviously a well looked after Gentleman's aerial conveyance.
Even so a wild stab, the Desoutter I

[aviate1138]

wz662's wild stab.....

Wrong decade I am afraid........ also wrong time zone.... sadly, wrong sex of owner......

[Cubs2jets]

Well, it certainly is a beautiful Purple and Light Blue paint scheme! :ok:

C2j

[evansb]

Is it a rare one-off?

[aviate1138]

Not many were made of this particular model but variations were produced in more than there are fingers on one's hands and toes.


c2j - you know don't you? :)

[evansb]

Modified and modernized cockpit of a WACO YPF.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/waco-ypf7.jpg

[aviate1138]

Well Done! evansb it's all yours.

Miss C Johnston had the Waco YPF-6 [only 2 made I believe] painted in her favourite colours. She owned it for 6 months. Back in 1935. Coupe Top was an original Waco offering on a number of their models.

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/aviate1138/Picture38-2.jpg


Info at Rare Aircraft :: 1929 Waco model ATO NC8565 (http://www.rareaircraft.com/restoration/NC15700_pix.html)

[evansb]

As a Canadian, I eagerly endorse any enclosed cockpit! Here is the next "What Cockpit?"
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP081206.jpg

[twochai]

As a Canadian, I eagerly endorse any enclosed cockpit!

The fact that the rest of the world only built open cockpits forced our forefathers to design and build in Canada during the early 1920's.

Just think, in an effort to keep their ears and toes warm in winter they created an industry which gainfully employs thousands. Thank God for cold weather!

'Scuse the OT.

Back on thread, could it be a Bollingbroke??

[evansb]

Good point. Sorry, the mystery cockpit is not from Britain.

[aviate1138]

How about a Saab 18?

[evansb]

Sorry, not a SAAB 18. It is similar in configuration, however, and it carried a crew of 3.

[rigpiggy]

avro anson?

[evansb]

Sorry. Not from Britain, or any other Commonwealth nation.

[Planegill]

Looks like the Letov S.50?

[evansb]

Planegill is spot on:ok: :D The rare Czechoslovakian Letov Kbely S.50, powered by Alois Smolik Avia RK.17 radial engines. Your turn.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/LetovS_50.jpg

[Planegill]

Here is the next challenge. Sorry I only have this small photo.

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/TestF.jpg

[evansb]

I'll guess a Mosscraft M.A.2 ?

[Planegill]

Sorry Bri, not the Mosscraft M.A.2.

[evansb]

Okay, my second and final guess, the Parnall 382 Heck III ?

[aviate1138]

DH 94 Moth Minor?

[Planegill]

Sorry I was away with work and forgot to take my internet card. No, it is not the Heck or the Moth Minor. Right country though.

[aviate1138]

Could it possibly be a Dart Kitten? [Not holding one's breath!]

[MReyn24050]

Fairey Primer perhaps?
Mel

[aviate1138]

Maybe a Chilton Monoplane? Hmmmmmm.........

[Planegill]

Not the Dart Kitten, Chilton Monoplane or the Fairey Primer.
Only one of these aircraft was made.

[MReyn24050]

Hillson Helvellyn per chance?
Mel

[Planegill]

Sorry Mel, not the Hillson. This plane was made by a company which is now famous for making just a part of an aircraft.

[MReyn24050]

Pure guess the Bristol Racer G-EBDR?
Mel

[Planegill]

Not the Bristol racer. The company is not famous for making aeroplanes.

[MReyn24050]

Another guess the Britten-Norman BN-1F?

[wz662]

Luton Buzzard II?

[Planegill]

Not the BN-1F or the Luton Buzzard. This company is still going strongly making a specific item of equipment on an aircraft. In their early days they made a series of prototypes, none of which went into production.

[evansb]

Sounds like Martin-Baker, but the MB.1, a one-off low-wing retractable gear monoplane had side-by-side seating. This challenge is quite a puzzler.

[Planegill]

Yes, it is the Martin Baker MB.1. I don't know that much about the aircraft, but the only photo I have seen looks like a tandem seater. The photo came from a company brochure. Unfortunately it is a scan from an ad selling the brochure, which I missed out on. Hence I only have the small version.

[FlightlessParrot]

The Martin-Baker site has a page on the MB 1 (which is pretty clearly the source of the Wikipedia entry), with some photos. Clearly the MB 1 was a tandem two-seater, but there had been an earlier design, also called MB 1, for a side-by-side two seater with the engine behind the occupants, and the shaft going between pilot and passenger. "No, don't put your lunch there."

Martin Baker - Ejection seat and escape system technology (http://www.martin-baker.co.uk/History/Martin-Baker-MB1.aspx)

[evansb]

Very interesting. The crank handle visible in Planegill's photo is probably for the landing gear. It has been my experience that half of the time when people hear "tandem" they think "side-by-side". The MB photos seem to show a tandem seat design. Here is the next challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP081212.jpg

[evansb]

Clue: The company that produced the aircraft also produced cars.

[India Four Two]

Skoda SK (insert model number here)?

[evansb]

Sorry, not from Skoda but very close.

Another clue: Intended for sport aviation, the mystery aircraft won several international competitions. Only 5 were produced.

OK, here are more clues: Built in 1938, and powered by an in-house built and designed engine.

[wz662]

Close to a Skoda, so Czech then? Aero or Walter?

Still guessing but it'll get the thread back on page one.

[evansb]

Yes, it is Czechoslovakian. Not Aero nor Walter.

[Planegill]

A Tatra, the T-201 perhaps?

[evansb]

Yes. spot on:ok: The lovely Tatra T-201. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/T-201_1.jpg

[Planegill]

A new challenge:

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/TestG.jpg

[evansb]

I'll open the bidding at a Fairchild Pilgrim 100-A/B ?

[Planegill]

Hi Bri. Sorry, not the Pilgrim.

[evansb]

Buhl Airsedan ?

[Planegill]

Not the Buhl Airsedan. This was a single-engined high-wing passenger plane.

[Planegill]

Another clue? I don't think this company made any other models of aircraft. There is one example extant somewhere in the US.

[Cubs2jets]

I'd guess it's in a museum in Minnesota.

C2j

[evansb]

Are you thinking of the Northwest Airlines Hamilton H-47 Metalplane? The fenestration and instrument panel are different from the challenge photograph. If it is a Hamilton Metalplane, perhaps it is the earlier H-45 model.

[Planegill]

Yes, it is the Hamilton Metalplane. I am not sure what version, but would have guessed the later H47. (See the book A Million Miles Without an Accident, published by Northwest Airlines.)
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/H40.jpg http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/HamiltonH40-1.jpg

[evansb]

Thank you. Great bit of history. Dual landing lights! Great Lord Lucas! Here is the next cockpit challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP081224.jpg

[stevef]

An agricultural aircraft? Piper perhaps?
I'm confused by the stick being behind that horizontal tube (unless it's an optical illusion). The loose cables on the floor look a bit of a restriction hazard to the rudder pedals.

[FlightlessParrot]

Well, it looks like it's in a museum, and I guess the restraint on the column is to stop it thrashing around if anyone tries to exercise the elevators.

But I haven't a clue on the type.

[evansb]

It is not an aerial applicator, (spray plane),. Not from Piper. It is indeed in a museum. The aircraft is in near-original condition. The cables, ( I am guessing now), might be for the missing cockpit gauge.

Regards,
Bri

[evansb]

Another clue: The aircraft was designed by an engineer who perfected a fabrication technique for a certain part of an aeroplane.

[evansb]

Another clue: Designed in 1917, it first flew in 1918. Although over 400 were ordered, approximately 170 were produced. Only 2 remain.

[aviate1138]

Sopwith Triplane? Or was that too early?

[evansb]

Sorry, not a Sopwith Triplane. Not from the U.K.

[MReyn24050]

The French SEA IV perhaps?
Mel

[evansb]

Sorry Mel, not a SEA IV, not from France.

[dash7fan]

Martinsyde F4 ?, if not maybe Standard E1

[evansb]

Yes, it is the American designed Standard E-1.:ok: Designed as a pursuit aeroplane, nearly all were adapted for training. The Standard E-1 is occasionally mistaken for a Thomas-Morse Scout. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/7756L.jpg

[India Four Two]

Another clue: The aircraft was designed by an engineer who perfected a fabrication technique for a certain part of an aeroplane.

And the engineer and the part was ???

[dash7fan]

This was a very tough challange!

Now an easy one. I think, ist will last only a few minutes

http://www11.file-upload.net/30.12.08/5ax7lw.jpg

[evansb]

Simon,

The designer of the E-1, Charles Healy Day, is credited with developing the technique of using laminated wood to make propellers, thus increasing their strength. In 1910, he also built and flew America's first tractor biplane. He later developed the New Standard D-25 aerobatic biplane.

Back to the Standard E-1, after WW.I, three E-1s were converted to remote controlled torpedo carriers. One of the earliest RPVs.

Cheers.
Bri

[wz662]

first thought was Auster but there dosen't appear to be the number of tubes visible for that, so guessing again EP9 ?

[Capot]

Hmmm....it is very like the Autocrat I learned in........

[dash7fan]

Yes capot You are right. Its a Auster Autocrat.

Over to You and a happy new year

[Capot]

I'm sorry everyone, I have never expected to get one of these right....so no pic.

Open House, please!

[dash7fan]

As it is open house and to keep the thread running:

http://www11.file-upload.net/02.01.09/evoq9w.jpg

[Capot]

Thanks for stepping in, and here's another wild guess as a long-buried memory stirred...

K6?

I'm sort of fairly confident it's wrong...hence no shame about the pic shortage!

But I can't resist...





Edit: and I've got a pic, in case lightning strikes twice....

[dash7fan]

No, its not the wonderful K6, it was constructed in the fifties, but not in Germany

[evansb]

Musger Mg 19 ?

[dash7fan]

Not the Musger Mg 19 but also a Erwin Musger design

[MReyn24050]

Not the Musger Mg 19 then perhaps it is the Musger Mg23, if so the accolade should go to Bri (evansb).
Mel

[dash7fan]

Yes, it is the Musger Mg23, well done Gentlemen!

Here is the complete glider

http://www11.file-upload.net/03.01.09/xbsrop.jpg

[MReyn24050]

dash7fan thanks for a great challenge. The accolade rests with evansb, have you a challenge Bri?
Mel

[evansb]

Here is the next cockpit challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP090103.jpg

[Cubs2jets]

Would this cockpit be Allied with Bu. Nos. 31503 and 31504?

C2j

[dash7fan]

Chase XCG-14 ???

[evansb]

It is an Allied. Looking for the model number, and then you can have control.

[dash7fan]

So may be the Chase XCG 18 ?

[evansb]

Sorry, not from Chase. I'm awaiting C2j's reply with a model number.

[Cubs2jets]

If I've nothing to post, maybe I don't want control?? :rolleyes: :)

Plus it is a neat challenge and it'll give someone else a chance. :ok:

C2j

[Fitter2]

The XLRA1 is the only Allied glider I can locate (the XLRA2 was designed but never flew. A type I had never heard of, although one exists in a museum.

Open house if C2J doesn't have a fun challenge.

[Cubs2jets]

Open house it is from me on confirmation from Evansb.

C2j

[sycamore]

Looking at the background ,it looks as if it`s on water-A floatplane glider ?

[Fitter2]

Yes, a flying boat troop carrying glider!

I don't know whether the decision not to go ahead with the design was the thought of loading fully kitted troops between two floating devices in choppy water.

[evansb]

Fitter2 has control:ok: The Allied LRA-1 Flying Boat Glider was an experimental design that led to two wooden prototypes being produced. (As C2J notes Bu nos. 31503 and 31504). Four more were ordered from the Bristol Aeronautical Corporation. 100 were planned for production but the military never followed up on the order, so the project was cancelled. See daveswarbirds.com for more info.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/Allied-LRA1.jpg

[Fitter2]

Really C2J's go, but as he has open housed, this may be of interest:

http://i39.tinypic.com/zohr9u.jpg

[evansb]

Aerocomp Comp Air 8 ?

[Fitter2]

This one?

http://i44.tinypic.com/2lduhlj.jpg

EvansB has control.

I assume you waited 24hrs to give others a chance.

[evansb]

Affirmative. Thanks Fitter2! I am familiar with an Alberta based Comp Air 7 that visits our airshow every August, so your photo rang a distant bell.
Here is the next challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP090106.jpg

[sycamore]

F-94 Starfire

[evansb]

sycamore is correct.:ok: The Lockheed F-94C Starfire. You have control.

[sycamore]

Bit late- OPEN HOUSE...sorreee

[evansb]

To keep the thred alive, here is the next cockpit challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP090111.jpg

[India Four Two]

bri,

no idea, but see PM.

[S'land]

Could it be a version of a Moller Flying Car?

[evansb]

Not the Moller, but the design has a connection to an older roadable aircraft.

[S'land]

How about the Wernicke Aircar?

[evansb]

Sorry, not the Wernicke Aircar. The aircraft in my photo is actually a flying boat. The aircraft has an unusual wing control design.

[S'land]

I think that I will give up on this one. The only "flying boat" that I can think of with a connection to roadable aircraft is the Aerocar (Taylor) Coot and that had a stick control and a very different dashboard.

[evansb]

Here is a big clue: The design of the wing makes the aircraft extremely safe. Inherently stable with no stall, spin or dive capability. Only 1/4 of the normal G load is felt in turbulence, as the two separately hinged parasol wings automatically spill gusts if the stick is unrestricted.

[ozbeowulf]

Great challenge, Bri!

Never would have gotten it without the last clue.

It's the Spratt Controlwing!

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg192/ozbeowulf/SprattControlwing.jpg

And I do have a challenge, once this is confirmed. :O

Glenn

[evansb]

Hey Glenn! Spot on:ok: You have control. The version above is powered by an 85-hp Mercury Marine engine. An earlier version was powered by a 65-hp Continental. The wing is a very safe design, but it is limited to relatively low airspeeds. Here is Convair's 103 Spratt Controlwing. Note the absence of ailerons. The wing was also known as the "free wing" and the "rocking wing". In the Convair, below, the centre wing joint is covered by a flexible fairing.
http://www.1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Visschedijk/2858L.jpg

[ozbeowulf]

This is unlikely to last as long as Bri's challenge...

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg192/ozbeowulf/wotzit_22.jpg

[ozbeowulf]

Apologies for this, but my computer has carked it. I'll try to check in as often as possible when I can borrow this rig, so please be patient.

Also, I will try to recruit a helper to respond to challenge responses

Sorry 'bout that...

Glenn

[evansb]

Glenn, I know the aircraft, so I will field any answers that come this way.


Regards,
Bri

[ozbeowulf]

Thanks, Bri...

Much appreciated!

Glenn

[Agaricus bisporus]

Hard to tell if it is piston or jet. I think jet, but with no AI it must be a prototype for VMC flying only. All those levers on the side.

Kestrel, or very early Harrier?

[evansb]

Sorry, not the Kestrel, nor Harrier. The aircraft was indeed a prototype/experimental.

[evansb]

Clue time: Three prototypes were produced. Only one remains, on display at a museum.