What Cockpit? MK VI

[windriver]

I`m thinking along similar lines... DH108 perhaps?

[MReyn24050]

A little bit older than the DH.108 I believe. mustpost check PMs please.

[evansb]

Horton Ho.IX V1?

[mustpost]

Ahh - gentlemen, there you have me. Corrected as being the Horten HO.IX.V1 - also known to all and sundry as the last card in the Axis pack as the Gotha Go 229. Sorry for the repeat.
Well done to EvansB who picks up the baton, and to another who PM'd me and was also entirely correct.
A friend laughingly suggested a P.. and a F... But wait - they haven't been done! Will try to win again - what a good thread. (Sorry about the Spitfire cockpit flame..):O
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj9/mustpost/go_229_hangared.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj9/mustpost/go229_7.jpg

[MReyn24050]

mustpost. Great challenge, welcome to the thread. Here is a good link regarding the Ho.IX's instruments.
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.warbirdnet.com/Panelnachbau/Erwin/HoIX/HoIXProjekt.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3DHorten%2BHo.IX%2Bcockpit%26start%3D10%26hl%3Den %26rls%3DRNWE,RNWE:2004-29,RNWE:en%26sa%3DN
Mel

[evansb]

Here is the next cockpit challenge:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/4491227.jpg

[mustpost]

Is it a late Katana? Despite gossip and rumours I have flown in an early one a few times, and I'm trying to prove that my memory is still there (without Googling - it's too late) :sad:

[Planegill]

With that instrument panel to one side and forward low windscreen, it looks like an amphibian with a front door. A homebuilt or heavily modified Seabee? (I think the Spencer Air Car has a stick.) The only other candidate I can think of is the Canadian TR-1 Trigull from the 1960s, although this is much moderner than that. (It had the same control column arrangement in front of the instrument panel as the Seabee. It looks like it could be accomodated in the slot visible in the photo.)

[evansb]

Planegill is correct.:ok: It is the Trident Trigull Amphibian. The aircraft pictured is C-FTRI, built and designed in Canada in 1973. The aircraft was refurbished in 2003. Hopes are still alive for the serial production of the aircraft. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/trident.jpg
Trigull C-FTRI shown here in the Viking Air hangar, Victoria, B.C. 2003.

[India Four Two]

Bri,

Was it the prototype that had that great registration C-GULL?

[evansb]

Only 3 Trigulls were completed. #1 is C-FTRI, #2 was a static test airframe and never registered, and #3 is C-GATE. On one test flight, the pilot got her up to just over 30,000 feet.

C-GULL is registered in Ontario to an amateur built Jurca MJ5 G-2 Sirocco, which is a low-wing, retractable gear, tandem seat tail-dragger.

[Planegill]

It is certainly a bit different today than it was in its heyday. (See below:)


http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/TR1-1.jpg

Here is the next challenge:
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/Test4.jpg

[mustpost]

An original drawing for a Short SC-1 perhaps?

[Kitbag]

Puts me in mind of the Republic Rainbow

[ozbeowulf]

I think you're right, Kitbag. That cutaway of half a fuselage certainly looks like the Rainbow.

Also, isn't it fascinating how Republic used the Rainbow empennage, although reduced in size, on the F-84. Or was it the other way around? :O

Glenn

[Kitbag]

Thanks for your vote of confidence Glenn, no doubt PG will let us know:bored:

As for precedence of the two designs I cannot unfortunately find my history of Seversky/Republic at the moment, but I think, like many manufacturers (De H and Hawker especially in the UK) that once Republic found a predictable shape they would stick with it. I think if you go back as far as the P35ish the empennage will look familiar.

Regards

Kb

[mustpost]

The empennage reference brings to mind the days of study my late Dad spent in the National Library of Scotland (during the 80's) trying to discover why he survived and colleagues flying the earlier Halifax did not. It was down to the original vertical stab(s) configuration which was scaled up from traditional HP design at the time - and faulty when the counterbalance jammed the rudders. But after many accidents modified amidst much security. Hence I am here :E

Back on thread - I think the cutaway sketch looks more European than US..:O

[Planegill]

Kitbag is correct. It is the Republic RC-2 Rainbow photographic aircraft. The drawing came out of a brochure. I have never seen a photo of the actual aircraft. Does anyone have one by chance?

[Kitbag]

Planegill, here it is (I hope!)

http://www.air-and-space.com/Republic%20XF-12/Clipping%20c%20right%20side%20nose%20l.jpg

and

http://www.air-and-space.com/Leo%20Newman/Republic%20XF-12%2019460204%20b%20l.jpg

[Kitbag]

This shouldn't take long:
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa154/Kitweston/WC27.jpg

[Planegill]

Thanks Kitbag for the photos.
What I actually meant was I have never seen a photo of the cockpit of the Republic XF-12 Rainbow.

[Kitbag]

Planegill

If I ever find my book (suspect No1 son has 'arf inched it) I think there were some in that so will scan and photobucket.

[stevef]

Would it be the P38 Lightning?

[Kitbag]

Nope, very definitely not a Lockheed product, although the era is about right.

[windriver]

Douglas A-20 Havoc perhaps?

[Kitbag]

This aircraft is not from the USA.

[mustpost]

Is this European, and the English instrument place markers misguiding us?:rolleyes:

[Kitbag]

No, and yes very probably ;)

[mustpost]

Reply coming soon - I think I know what it is - but need to check..:}


But now I think it's not - is it a Yak?

[LowNSlow]

Is it a Petlyakov Pe2?

[Kitbag]

This beauty never wore the Red Star

[sycamore]

HAMPDEN ,perhaps.?

[evansb]

Mitsubishi Ki-46 (Army Type 100) "Dinah".

[Kitbag]

and evansbe steals it at the last moment :D (wonder what mustpost had in mind- I think he changed his ideas a couple of times before going to the Russians?)

The pic is of the Cosford machine as is the one I post below. I almost felt guilty about the English instrument names, but then thought why not? It is a most beautifully shaped machine though isn't it?

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/images/dinahdm_23.jpg

Bri, you have control Sir

[evansb]

The Dinah is a beauty to be sure, and quite a performer. Here is the next cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/4012133.jpg

[Kitbag]

'This is Captain Nemo engine room, give me full power' :O


Got to be dirigible gondola. How about ZR1, the Shenandoah?

[MReyn24050]

Looks like an airship to me also. Bri please check PMs.
Mel

[evansb]

Not the ZR-1 Shenandoah.

[mustpost]

Tragically, Japanese and the Dinah was what I had thought of, but couldn't confirm the cockit(!) :* Well done evansb :D

[Kitbag]

Ok, but we are talking about dirigibles?

I have a problem here in that I can't reconcile the shape of the front bit with the normal style of control car. The narrow diameter suggests a military use to me but I am not sure. I know that Zeppelin went in for seperate control stations for pitch and yaw, not sure about other players.

[mustpost]

Is it the 1928 "Italia"?

We're definitely facing forward here?

[evansb]

It is a rigid airship. It is not the Italia. Yes, photographed facing aforeship.

[John Hill]

This airship picture is the control position of the R80.

[evansb]

John Hill is correct:ok: The U.S. Navy expressed interest in the R 80, and flew it on four flights for evaluation. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/R80commandCapsule.jpg

[John Hill]

I dont have my file of obscure cockpits at hand right now so its open to all comers!

Open house gents!:)

[stevef]

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r291/stevef_2007/cockpitident.jpg?t=1199770978

[John Hill]

I cant see the picture Steve but I am wondering if it is a Trident?

[stevef]

Can't get the image to work for some reason, only the link.
Not a Trident though, John.

[John Hill]

I think your picture will work OK if you cut off everything after '.jpg' when you insert the image.

[norwich]

Bristol 175 Britannia ?

[evansb]

Avro 706 Ashton?

[windriver]

It has the look of the AW Argosy about it... but that's already on the list.

[MReyn24050]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/cockpitident.jpg

as evansb say certainly looks like the Avro Ashton.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz262.jpg

[stevef]

Avro Ashton indeed, Evansb. That didn't take long! Your sector.
(Thanks for the image posting info, John Hill.)
Steve.

[evansb]

Here is the next cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/4508604.jpg

[Fitter2]

Laister-Kaufman LK-10?

[mustpost]

Laister Kauffman TG-4A?

[evansb]

Not a Laister-Kaufmann TG-4, or LK-10.

[mustpost]

Schweizer 1-26?

[evansb]

The mystery aircraft is older than the Schweizer 1-26, and the Laister-Kauffman TG-4.

[ozbeowulf]

Could it be one of Charles Fauvel's flying wings? Possibly the AV-36 or AV-22?

[evansb]

Not a flying wing, but it was considered quite modern in its day. Only 57 were produced due to World War II's influence.

[the incivil beast]

One is 100% sure it is the Schweizer TG-2, aka SGS 2-8 (as one was able to find the very same picture on the interweb)

Therefore, one shall post the next what cockpit challenge, before staggering off to bed :

http://www.marc-till.com/tmp/cockpit18.jpg

One shall check your many answers at the break of dawn (or so)

[evansb]

The incivil beast is correct.:ok: Based on the 1938 civilian designed SGS 2-8, the TG-2 U.S. Army Training Glider was of mostly metal construction, which resulted in its cancellation during WW II. In 1940, the craft set an unofficial altitude record, but it was not recorded by the FAI, as Paris was under NAZI occupation. You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/Schweizer_TG2Big.jpg

[ozbeowulf]

The challenge aircraft is the Pilatus PC-12, methinks.

[paulc]

is it a Quest Aircraft Kodiak 100 ?

[the incivil beast]

ozbeowulf has it, it is indeed the Pilatus PC-12

http://www.aerospace-technology.com/projects/pilatus_pc12/images/PC12_1.jpg

you have control

[ozbeowulf]

Thanks, incivil beast...

Here's the next "what cockpit" challenge....

http://xs123.xs.to/xs123/08023/wotzit_8.JPG (http://xs.to)

[Kitbag]

Plse check pms

[mustpost]

LTV A-7B Corsair II?

Careful research i.e. the instrumentation now leads me to believe this might be the prototype A-7A?

[ozbeowulf]

Sorry, mustpost, not the A-7, although this photo was taken at a very early stage in the aircraft's development process.


Edit: To clarify the statement above, this challenge cockpit has no connection with the A-7 whatever. It is is from the early development stages of a totally different aircraft.

[mustpost]

Sorry - can't see past Vought layout - the FZU-1 Cutlass then?? :confused:

Edit - Ahh - just read your edit

[mustpost]

Careful research also shows I have joined this forum three years too late - good effort to all - Respect guys.......:D

[ozbeowulf]

It's been more than twelve hours since I posted this challenge, so perhaps it's time for a clue...

The cockpit shown is a mockup for a high-performance aircraft project which died when the military contracts were cancelled due to altered national requirements.

[mustpost]

Thanks, but before I retire I hope it wasn't a TSR-2 thing??

or finally (for tonight) XF8U-3 Crusader III??? :}

[evansb]

North American XF-108 Rapier

[ozbeowulf]

Well done, evansb!!:ok: The XF-108 it is. You have control!


http://xs123.xs.to/xs123/08024/xf108_2520.jpg (http://xs.to)

Historical information on North American's last interceptor project can be found at....

http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/f108.html (http://home.att.net/%7Ejbaugher1/f108.html)

[evansb]

Thanks oz. Here is the next cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/4516554.jpg

[Fitter2]

Pietenpol Air Camper?

[mustpost]

Sherwood Ranger?

[evansb]

Sorry, not an Air Camper or the Sherwood Ranger.

[mustpost]

A Fisher? (Moth?)

[evansb]

Not a Fisher (Moth) design. The mystery aircraft's design originated on the continent of Europe.

[Kitbag]

The mystery aircraft's design originated on the continent of Europe


Definitely not the funny little group of islands to the left of continental Europe?

[evansb]

As an amateur-built, several have been completed on the British Isles, but the design definitely originated on the continent of Europe. In Canada, the plans and materials for the aircraft can be purchased from an Edmonton, Alberta based supplier.

[Fitter2]

Falconair HM360? (Kit build variant of the Mignet Flying Flea).

[MReyn24050]

Falconair HM360? (Kit build variant of the Mignet Flying Flea).
I would say you were on the right lines but not a HM360 but the HM293. If correct it is Fitter2's call.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/HM293.jpg

[evansb]

Yes, it is the Mignet HM 293 Flying Flea, one of several versions based on the original Pou du Ciel, designed in France by Henri Mignet in the early 1930s.

[Fitter2]

Very generous of you, Mel.

I apologise for the quality of the next challenge, but my passenger had the shakes - nothing to do with my flying, I assure you.

http://i8.tinypic.com/85k8v0x.jpg

I suppose bonus points could be awarded for identifying the airfield?

[mustpost]

Fitter2

Well done on the Flea challenge - my old man (wartime pilot) said they (old Fleas) would kill you eventually - much like a Robinson helo (allegedly -Mr Robinson lawyer).
Still trying the next challenge...

EDIT: Sorry old,not bold, did not mean to confuse as a genuine challenge. Punctuation corrected. Merely a comment on some advice from a very experienced rotorhead after I worked with him for three weeks who said .....:uhoh:

[wz662]

The curve of that coaming and the canopy jettison bar look familiar after 850 hours in a Slingsby Venture but the instrument fit doesn't, so is it a Motor Falke?
Not a clue about the airfield though.

[Fitter2]

Strictly speaking a Motor Falke was the original shoulder wing two-stroke Scheibe motor glider trainer. Very close though.

[Dick Whittingham]

Is that a runway plus ORP I see or a very wide runway?

Dick

[Fitter2]

Ahead is a wide grass area with a narrower grass runway in it. It still has no hard runway.

The type was manufactured (licence build) in the North of England.

[old,not bold]

Why is the passenger on the left? It doesn't look very helo-like.

Scrabbling for a clue, really.

[Fitter2]

If I recall correctly (it was 33 years ago) the headset mic socket in the LH seat had gone u/s and I could reach everything I needed to from either seat.

The similarity to the Venture is not coincidental, although there are quite significant differences.

[the incivil beast]

My feeling is that wz662 was thinking of the Slingsby T61 which has been know in some places by the name Motorfalke (here for instance (http://www.davidandivy.co.uk/aircraft44.htm)).

It is the license-built Scheibe SF25-B ("B-Falke", low wing configuration), in a "civilian" version, the Venture being the Air Cadet version. AFAIK, the main differences are the engine and wing spar.

Fitter2's mention of the Motorfalke was refering to the original Scheibe SF25-A

[Fitter2]

The Slingsby T61 is a licence built Scheibe Falke SF25B. As indicated in my post last night the manufacturers never referred to the Falke as a Motorfalke, as this was the Scheibe's designation for the original (grossly underpowered but fun to fly in a masochistic sort of way) different aircraft entirely.

The T61 had the same wing as the German version, Slingsby built a carbon sparred variant for the ATC, and fitted a more powerful engine.

The picture was indeed taken from a T61C (G-BAMB) on approach to Sywell for the 1975 PFA Rally. The aircraft pictured on the incivil beast's link is by coincidence G-BAMB.

If the incivil beast feels generous he may let WZ662 carry on? Over to you.

[wz662]

I have nothing to post so I hand the baton to the incivilbeast.
As for the passenger being in the left seat after nearly 30 years as an instructor I'm happy on the right, so much so that sitting on the left just feels wrong.

[the incivil beast]

I had no intention whatsoever to steal wz662's victory which I explicitely acknowledegd in my post.

However, as I do have pictures ready, I'll be happy to take over the baton, thanks wz662 :ok:

Here is the next what cockpit :

http://www.marc-till.com/tmp/cockpit19.jpg

I'll have a rather busy morning tomorrow, and shall be unable to provide any answers, clues or comments before noon or so.

[Cubs2jets]

TBM 700?

C2j

[the incivil beast]

Strictly speaking, not the TBM 700, but you are very very close.

[ozbeowulf]

The TBM-850, then. Same panel, with the addition of a flap switch position to disable the torque limiter.

If correct, let Cubs2Jets have the next challenge.

[Cubs2jets]

Very kind of you ozbeowulf!:D

This one will go quick.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj200/Cubs2jets/P1010012.jpg?t=1200145003

C2j

[the incivil beast]

it is indeed the TBM-850, same aiframe as the -700, with increased power (more than 300 kts @FL300 ISA)

[MReyn24050]

As you say it will go quick, certainly off the ground. Please check PMs
Mel

[Cubs2jets]

Mel,

Thanks for the PM.

Let this one play out or I do have another to post...

C2j

[MReyn24050]

Most certainly let it play :).
Mel

[windriver]

DH Dove perhaps?

[Cubs2jets]

Not a DH Dove.

Don't mis-interpert the DH on the rudder pedals!:=

C2j

[windriver]

Am I that transparent? :ouch:

[evansb]

The Canadian designed and produced de Havilland Canada DHC-4 Caribou.
(aka AC-1, YAC-1, CV-2, C-7, and the RCAF's CC-108)

[Cubs2jets]

evansb,

You are correct! Over to you. :D

Sorry about the little bit of "misdirection" on the rudder pedals. This was to cover for my boneheaded mistake of not cropping them out of the picture!:ugh: Didn't say DH didn't stand for DeHavilland, just said don't mis-interpert!:rolleyes:

The aircraft is PK-YRD of Trigana Air Service photographed at Wamena, Indonesia in 2005.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj200/Cubs2jets/Airport2C.jpg?t=1200178870

C2j

[evansb]

Here is the next 'What Cockpit?'
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/435168.jpg

[Planegill]

Looks like the Mississippi State University XV-11A Little Marvel boundary-layer experimental aircraft of the late 1960s.
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/XV11-1.jpg

[evansb]

Planegill is correct.:ok: Well done:D You have control.

[Cubs2jets]

Soooo... Planegill, I have to ask - what was it in the instrument panel photo that tipped you off?

The missing right side yoke?

The poorly arranged panel layout?

C2j

[Planegill]

I was put off by the AH to start with, but it is similar to another photo in my collection. It looks a bit different now. Here is a photo of it as it appeared at Oshkosh in 2004.
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/XV11-2.jpg

[Planegill]

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/Test5.jpg

[paulc]

How about an Airacobra (P39?)

[ozbeowulf]

Not entirely sure, but I wonder if it's the Pilatus P-3 trainer.

[MReyn24050]

Morane-Saulnier M.S.1500 perhaps?

[Kitbag]

Some thoughts: It looks like a tandem trainer, but may be a single seater, it has a 4 blade prop, and from the bulge in the cockpit could it have a retractable nose wheel undercarriage? Maybe not as I cannot see a selector lever or indication. The windscreen does not appear to be armoured. The instrumentation is very basic especially as it looks to be post WWII, if it was military would it have more to occupy the pilot. For absolutely no reason at all it looks French to me.

[Speedpig]

An early Embraer Tucano?
Seems high enough, but under equipped.

[Fitter2]

Mel is too modest - perhaps indeed.

http://richard.ferriere.free.fr/archives/essai/ms1500.pdf

[MReyn24050]

Thanks for that. When I posted I was going on the cockpit frame and short nose and also found that link a few moments ago. I will post the next challenge as I am sure Planegill is still in the land of nod.:)
This one is a little older than Planegill's.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz303.jpg

[sycamore]

I think MReyn has it, as the Epervier, single turbo-prop,T/M Bastan, 3-blader, fixed gear 2-seater; the brake lever is probably on the front of the stick, as I can`t see any brake pedals,fuel gauge far right(carbnt-carburant),JPT on left, canopy winding handle on right---oh, and the giveaway? large french size `dix` on top of the exhaust cover, as it exited under the cockpit...and a snazzy clock !


edit; wasn`t thinking about the observer in fron seat !

[Planegill]

MReyn does indeed have it, the MS.1500 Epervier. (I thought that might be a more difficult one, but obviously not to the guns out there!)

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Planegill, sorry for jumping in with the next one. I should point out regrading the photograph posted at Post #877 that the aircraft was either under construction or maintenance.

[evansb]

Do the absence of rudder pedals and the unconventional control yoke indicate a tailless design?

[MReyn24050]

Do the absence of rudder pedals and the unconventional control yoke indicate a tailless design?
Yesterday 22:33


Bri. Sorry for the delay. No, this aircraft had a tail but not quite what one would call conventional.

[Fitter2]

Dear me, even Bri is baffled!?

Can we narrow it down a bit, 1920s, non UK, possibly France?

[MReyn24050]

Fitter2
This particular aircraft was built in the UK but the designer was not born in Britain it first flew 1930s.
Mel

[Kitbag]

One of Westlands tailless Pteradactyls?

[MReyn24050]

This aircraft was not from Westlands

[Kitbag]

I thought the Lachmann designed HP75 Manx but that is too late timewise so when in doubt adopt the shotgun approach-Miles M35 Libellula?

[evansb]

Hafner gyroplane?

[MReyn24050]

Fitter2, don't underestimate Bri. He has it, it is indeed the Hafner A.R.III Gyroplane Mk II. :ok::)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/HafnerARIIIMkIII.jpg
The photograph at Post # 877 looks down into the cockpit of the Hafner A.R.III. On the left is the lever which operates the spider. In the centre the trimming wheel for the pivoted tailplane. The end of the joystick is out of sight below the instrument board.

As stated the photograph was taken either during manufacture or build as the rotor mast is missing.

[evansb]

Thanks Mel.:) I found your challenge quite difficult. Here is the next 'What Cockpit?'

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/4558784.jpg

[stevef]

I wouldn't be surprised if that was a PA38 Tomahawk.

[evansb]

stevef , you are spot on:ok: And quick too! You have control.

[Fitter2]

Fitter2, don't underestimate Bri. He has it, it is indeed the Hafner A.R.III Gyroplane Mk II

Not at all Mel, no nasturtiums cast. I am constantly amazed at thedepth of knowledge on this thread; I have learned much more about some of the more obscure corners of aviation history than from my moderately well-stocked bookshelf, and been inspired to trawl some interesting corners of googleworld.

[stevef]

Feel free to post a new challenge, anyone; it's going to take me a while to upload a picture onto Photobucket and get back into Pprune because of the server problems.
Steve

[John Hill]

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/8427/p7220094smallgl1.jpg

Does this qualify as a 'cockpit'?:)I think there is enough in the picture (or rather not in the picture) to give enough clues for this not to last long.

[John Hill]

14 hours and no takers? I do hope that is due to the server problems so I will leave it a few more hours.

[zarniwoop]

Excuse me for butting in, but I've been folowing this thread with much interest, and since no one has pitched an answer for about 24 hours might I punt something?

Is it some form of microlight? The lack of bodywork/fuselage and instruments along with the modern look of what is there would lead me that way.

I did think para-glider, but the side-by-side seating doesn't seem right for that.

I#ll go lurk in a corner again now.

[John Hill]

Time for a clue I think.

The photo shows that it was at that time being flown by the guy in the left seat.

No, it is not a para glider.

[John Hill]

Not much action on this one! Next clue, the photo was taken when we were patrolling for feral camels in the middle of Australia.

A bonus clue, the "up and down" control of this aircraft is visible in the picture.

[effortless]

My first thought was a helicopter of some kind but the lack of instruments is a real poser

[John Hill]

When I said it is not a "para-glider", well, it is not a "para-glider".

[ozbeowulf]

I have no idea what make or model it is, but I wonder if it is a towed gyrocopter. My guess assumes the "up and down control" in the photo is what appears to be an intercom/radio, as in, "Slow down, Charlie. We're bored stiff up here." :)

Glenn

[John Hill]

Sorry Glenn, not a towed gyrocopter and the radio (for there is a radio in the picture) is not the "up/down" control.

Did I mention that the picture shows the guy in the left seat having control?

[windriver]

Is it some sort of steerable Balloon/Dirigible?

[John Hill]

I believe the name dirigible means capable of being steered or directed which this aircraft is but it is not a balloon, it is not gas filled nor hot air filled.

Here are some of the clues again:

The aircraft is being flown in Australia (that might not help you find the type but if you do find it the reference to Australia may help you to confirm it).

The up/down control is visible.

The guy in the left seat is in control.

It is not a "para-glider".

It is not a towed giro nor is it a balloon.

[ozbeowulf]

A Drifter ultralight has been used in Oz to track feral camels, but the Drifter usually has a cowling. Otherwise, perhaps it could be the "Dream Fantasy" two-seater.

If either is correct, let it be open house. I'll be out of touch all afternoon.

Btw, if that horizontal metal bar is the up/down control.... you be careful in that thing, John! :O

Glenn

[John Hill]

Sorry Ozbeowulf but it is neither of those. However you are right in that the horizontal chrom(ish) metal bar is the up down control.

[ozbeowulf]

Okay, I think I've got it now...

I'm pretty sure it's an Aerochute, which seems to be a parachute-like cloth wing with a tubular steel "roll cage" dangling beneath. The horizontal bar is the throttle and there appear to be no pitch controls, so that qualifies as the "up/down" control. I have no idea how roll or yaw is controlled.

Pix at: http://www.aerochute.com.au/index.html

If I'm correct, let it be open house.

Glenn

[stevef]

I'm sure ozbeowulf has nailed it! In anticipation, as it's open house, here's one that won't last five minutes. It's been posted before but not from this angle. Apologies if I've jumped the gun but I'm trying to beat the server issue. :)http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r291/stevef_2007/whatcockpit2.jpg

[XH175]

Anson C.19

My Canberra PR.9 was used so open house gents.
Regards
Ross

[stevef]

Spot on, XH175 - it's WD413.

[John Hill]

Good Monday morning geltlefolk, indeed ozbeowulf has nailed it as an Aerochute it is!:D

A small three wheeled cart with a Rotax pusher for propulsion and an inflated 'parafoil'(?) type wing. A more-or-less constant speed craft in that more throttle (the horizontal bar) goes up and less goes down. The pilot holds lines going to the trailing corners of the wing, pulling a corner down induces drag which in turn results in both roll and yaw.

Spread the wing on the ground, open the throttle and when the wing inflates open it some more and up you go!

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/9721/p7210076smallzs1.jpg

[ozbeowulf]

Thanks, John...

By the way, although the aircraft is certainly not my cup of tea, that was quite a good challenge. It took a bit of mental gymnastics and digging to work it out.

Glenn

[John Hill]

Thanks Glenn. We had a number of these flying machines and associated crews on our little expedition to Curtin Springs cattle station, near Mt Connor,NT and among the plumbers and software engineers we had more than one with experience perhaps more akin to the regulars on PPRuNe!

[ozbeowulf]

Hey, guys, if you're waiting for me..... don't!

Right now, I don't have time to properly "service" a challenge with answers or clues.

It's still open house, as far as I'm concerned. Got for it, somebody!:O

Glenn

[evansb]

An Anson C.19 eh? Equally obscure variants of types previously posted may be forthcoming. Here is the next 'What Cockpit?'
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/4583826.jpg

[Fitter2]

I must have a browse through your library - I suspect a few months leave would be needed.

If during the design of the Bristol 138 somone had the bright idea of a pressurised capsule, (but couldn't make it work so got the pressurised suit used made as an alternative), the result would have looked something like that.

[evansb]

...and the ragout would be done to perfection! Contrary to popular myth, steam engine loco spotters did not wait with baited breath as this aeroplane whistled by the station. Sorry, it is not the Bristol 138.

[the incivil beast]

Caproni 161

www.fai.org :

Altitude without payload : 17 083 m

Date of flight: 22/10/1938
Pilot: Mario PEZZI (Italy)
Course/place: Montecelio (Italy)

Aircraft:
Caproni 161 (Piaggo XI R.C.)

[evansb]

Well done. It is indeed a Caproni Ca.161 You have control.
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/caproni_ca161.jpg

[the incivil beast]

Thanks evanbs

A link (http://www.enricopezzi.it/fam_pezzi/mario_pezzi/images/MP_1937%20C161_01w.jpg) to another image on the Pezzi Family website

here is the next one :

http://www.marc-till.com/tmp/cockpit20.jpg

A bit of a surprise to see it is not (yet) on the official list ...

[old,not bold]

Reminds me of the F/E station in a Concorde...but surely that must have been done before?

[oncemorealoft]

Is it the F/E's position on a 747-100/200/300?

[MReyn24050]

As you say A bit of a surprise to see it is not (yet) on the official list ...
Please check your PMs.
Mel

[India Four Two]

It does have a Concorde feel to it, but after some research, I nominate the C-5A Galaxy. Open house if correct.

PS I though Bri's Caproni was a pressure capsule for a Dalek ;)

[old,not bold]

There's something unBritish about the F/E's headgear; I'm losing faith in the Concorde guess........

[the incivil beast]

Apologies for the delay, the server was U/S this afternoon and I have been out all the evening.

India Four Two has it :ok: , it is indeed the Lockheed C-5A Galaxy F/E station

Open house then

[Fitter2]

Well, as Caproni 161 ws my second choice (there aen't too many high altitude specials of that era ) and it's been 8 hours, try this one:

http://i32.tinypic.com/e0hlx5.jpg

[Planegill]

Is this the Atlas Rooivalk attack helicopter from South Africa?

[Fitter2]

Planegill has it in one - the Denel AH-2 Rooivalk.

http://i28.tinypic.com/2ps3ggm.jpg

Over to you

[Planegill]

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/Test7.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Saunders-Roe Cloud possibly?
Mel

[Planegill]

That one didn't last long, as usual. Mel has it, the Saro A.19 Cloud

[stevef]

I was looking for something to post the other day and tried to scan a cockpit photo from Aero Engineering Pt 7 (a Newnes publication from the 1930s). Unfortunately it was too dark to reproduce here. The aircraft:
Saro Cloud (or possibly Saro London)!

[MReyn24050]

Thank you Planegill for a great challenge, it was the layout of the cockpit windows that led me to the Saro Cloud. I am sure this next one will go as quickly. Sorry the quality is so poor.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz297.jpg
Mel

[Kitbag]

I go away for a few days, come back, find I've missed all the easy ones (yeah right :}) and end looking at something built using left overs from an old tin roof.

Tin roof = Junkers something? Maybe a W33 or 34

[MReyn24050]

Sorry kitbag for taking one of the easy ones :O and posting this one made from "wriggly tin" but it is not on of Herr Junker's flying outhouses.
:) Mel

[Kitbag]

But it is German?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry should have made that clear. No, this aircraft was not German.
Mel

[Fitter2]

I hope it's bafflement rather than boredom (or possibly the server problems are sending regulars to more productive activities).

Anyway, I am pretty sure it's not British, possibly US or Italian? OK, I will guess Italian?

[Planegill]

American Fokker F-32?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry Fitter2 it was not Italian. Planegill has it :D:ok:. I is the Fokker F-32.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/FokkerF32.jpg
You have control.

[Planegill]

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/Test8.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Wild guess, the Martin XB-51?
Mel

[Planegill]

Yes it is the XB-51. There aren't too many three engined jet aircraft around I guess, but well done. You have control.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks planegill. I must admit it was the three sets of engine instruments that led me to the XB-51.
Here is the next one, I am sure this will not last long.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpit%20quiz/Cockpitquiz304.jpg
Mel

[mustpost]

German, rocket powered?

[MReyn24050]

mustpost. This one is not German, nor a rocket powered aircraft.
Mel.

[evansb]

Nakajima J1N1-S Gekko?

[mustpost]

If it is, d:mad:n and blast, cos I thought it might be the Nakajima Kikka. But I was too scared to say.. looks like something from that era tho'. :O

Edit. If it is the Gekko, well done :ouch:

[evansb]

I am not 100 percent sure either, but if it is any consolation, I initially thought it was the Ginga.

[Planegill]

Curtiss XBT2C1?

[MReyn24050]

Sorry evansb and mustpost, but Planegill has it :D:ok:. It is the Curtiss XBT2C1.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/curtiss_xbtc-1-2_en_xbt2c-1.jpg
You have control.
Mel

[Planegill]

I hope this one is a little bit harder.

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii154/planegill/Test9.jpg

[evansb]

How many of the type were produced?

[stevef]

Seems to have a Russian flavour to it.

[mustpost]

Beriev Be-12?


Edit
Sorry I see it's on the list..:uhoh:

[Planegill]

Sorry, don't know how many were built. It is not Russian.

[evansb]

Potez P.840?

[Planegill]

Sorry, not the Potez 840. (See Thread #519)

[evansb]

Pzl Md-12?

[Planegill]

No, not a Polish aircraft. I believe 22 examples of this type were produced.

[MReyn24050]

Based on the clue 22 aircraft produced after some searching I consider this aircraft to be the CASA C-207 "Azor". Looking at this photograph it the windscreen wiper positions seem to tie up with planegill's photo.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/CASAAzor.jpg
Mel

[mustpost]

At least I was looking at the right years/countries...:p
boo hoo

[ozbeowulf]

Mel...

You're right. I found the same cockpit photo by searching CASA 207 in Google Images.... long after you nailed the aircraft type, of course!

Glenn

[MReyn24050]

Thanks for that Glenn. Following your post I too have located the link:-
http://asficheros.org/aeronautica/historiaaeronautica2003/a01.htm. It was a very interesting challenge.
I will await Planegill reply before posting the next one.
Mel

[Planegill]

Sorry, busy day at work. Yes it is the CASA 207. Mel has it again. (I must be wary of giving out too detailed clues.)

[MReyn24050]

Thanks planegill. It was a very interseting challenge I wasn't too sure whether it was a four engined or two engined aircraft.
I am sure this will not last long. Sorry the quality is not so good.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/Cockpitquiz305.jpg
Mel

[Dick Whittingham]

Mil twinjet, early '50s. Those warning lights look Brit. Long before HOTASS!

Dick

[MReyn24050]

Dick
Military aircraft early 1950s yes, but not a twin jet and not British.
Mel

[sycamore]

Something nautical...,perhaps from the Ironworks?

[MReyn24050]

Sycamore
This aircraft was nautical but not from Grumman's.
Mel

[mustpost]

Douglas A2D Skyshark?
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj9/mustpost/a2d-6.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Well done mustpost. It is indeed the Douglas A2D Skyshark,in fact the XA2D-1 :ok::D
Here is another shot of the panel.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Aircraft/DouglasSkyshark2.jpg
You have control.
Mel

[mustpost]

Thank you Mel - at work so will post soon:ok:
Here it is - according to the list this hasn't been yet. I'm quite surprised; should be quite easy.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj9/mustpost/wotCockpit.jpg

[sycamore]

Have to admit ,I also think it`s a Skyshark. however, it had 2 engines ,coupled to drive the props,like the Gannet, and the two power levers seem to support that....but the man said it`s not a twin!:hmm:

[ozbeowulf]

Actually, Mel said it wasn't a twin JET, which, technically, it wasn't. The Skyshark used dual Allison turboprops. Gas turbines, yes, but not quite the commonly accepted definition of "jets".

Mustpost did a fine job and I'm kicking myself for not working faster. I was looking at jet/reciprocating compound power systems like the Ryan Fireball but I didn't get to the Skyshark in time. Well done, Mustpost!!

&^%(*%"!!!Glenn

[mustpost]

Thank you Glenn for your kind comments - but can I explain the luck? Discussing the thread and rare a/c a friend with common interests (and age!) asked the other day if the Fairey Gannett had been done yet - I checked and found rear cockpit only. But then the 'nautical' clue from Mel and cramped cockpit made a penny drop - not UK, must be US, then took 2 mins(!) so not too clever I'm afraid. :O

[MReyn24050]

sycamore, my apologies if I led you astray by saying:- but not a twin jet As you rightly say it did have two gas turbines coupled to a common gearbox.
The engine was the Allison XT40-A-2, rated at 5100 eshp and 830 lb of residual thrust. The engine had two Model 501 (XT-38-A) gas turbines mounted side-by-side and connected to a common reduction gearbox. The gearbox drove a set of co-axial propeller shafts that turned a pair of three-bladed -14-foot diameter contrarotating propellers. The two power sections could drive both propellers independently when the other section was declutched. In cruise, one of the T38s could be shut down to increase range and endurance. The engine was mounted in mid-fuselage below the pilot, and was fed by a pair of intakes, one on each side of the lower part of the nose between the wing leading edge and the contrarotating propellers. There were large exhausts on the lower rear fuselage, one on each side, just behind the wing trailing edge.

[MReyn24050]

mustpost
It certainly doesn't appear to have been done before,unless I missed it off the list. Please check your PMs.
Mel

[evansb]

Douglas D558-2 Skyrocket?

[MReyn24050]

Bri.
Not wishing to tread on mustpost's toes I would say you were correct.
However, I note that the NASA Dryden Research Aircraft Photograph collection identifies the photograph (E49-032), which was I am sure mustpost's source, as applicable for both the Douglas D558-1,Skystreak and for the -2 Skyrocket
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/E49-032.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/d5582skyrocket.jpg
Were the cockpits the same? I understood When it became obvious that the D558-1 fuselage could not be modified to accommodate both rocket and jet power, the D558-2 was conceived as an entirely different aircraft.
Mel

[evansb]

The Skystreak cockpit I've seen shows the instruments configured differently from the D558-2 Skyrocket.

[MReyn24050]

It certainly looks as though Dryden have made an error. I have just located this photograph of the Skystreak.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/d558-1_may_04.jpg
Although in this shot there are several similarities.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Skystreak.jpg

[mustpost]

Help!! I'm just a kid!! Had a model of this a long time ago (Mach 2 record breaker etc)

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj9/mustpost/skyrocket.jpg
Didn't realise there would be so much shouting etc (just like work...!!) :sad:
Bri has it, (I think) cos this is tother one
(mk 1 etc - Douglas D558-1) - different shape etc

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj9/mustpost/skystreak1.jpg

well done, your call...:D

[MReyn24050]

Sorry Bri, Looking at that last photograph which came from Ginter Books "Douglas D-558-1 SkyStreak X-plane" I think that mustpost's post was the Douglas SkyStreak D-558-1 and it has been incorrectly identified by NASA Dryden as the D-558-2.

mustpost. I do not hear anyone shouting

Mel

[mustpost]

NASA mistake?? Satellite down soon?? Doomed?? :eek::eek::}

Mel -just joking..Please, anyone post soon. This a great historical/aviation - suduko-type exercise. (Even for those who of us have never had the honour of sitting, never mind flying here...)

[evansb]

Here is the next 'What Cockpit?'

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WC080129.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Sorry to be perdantic but the photograph is the Douglas SkyStreak D-558-1 not the D-558-2 SkyRocket. The following is a photograph of Scott Crossfield in the cockpit of the SkyRocket after the first Mach 2 Flight. Note the instrument panel is above the cockpit combing not flush as for the Skystreak.
Mel
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/E-1090.jpg

[ozbeowulf]

It's a Tupolev ANT-2, methinks.

http://xs123.xs.to/xs123/08053/ant2-08_s921.jpg (http://xs.to)

The engine is a Bristol B1606 "Lucifer" radial, which is how I found the aircraft.

[evansb]

ozbeowulf is correct:ok: Well done:D Over to you.

[ozbeowulf]

Thanks, Bri.

Here is the next "What Cockpit?"....
http://xs123.xs.to/xs123/08053/wotzit_9587.jpg (http://xs.to)

[MReyn24050]

Interesting aircraft.Please check your PMs.
Mel

[mustpost]

It looks like the Lockheed XF-90

[ozbeowulf]

Full marks for mustpost! :ok: It is the sleek and lovely (if hopelessly overweight) Lockheed XF-90.

http://xs123.xs.to/xs123/08053/f-90_inflt750.jpg (http://xs.to)

You have control!

[mustpost]

Many thanks -:ok: again only managed to get it by luck though - no specialist knowledge. I thought the canopy detail reminded me of a Shooting Star, and found it that way. The construction looks very similar. Away from lovely pointy experimental aircraft now, I thought I would change tack and come more up to date.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj9/mustpost/wotcockpit2.jpg

[windriver]

Gulfstream 2?

[sycamore]

Another nautical flavour, perhaps garlic/gallic this time...?

[MReyn24050]

Possibly a flavour of "peffer-salami"?

[mustpost]

sorry for the delay - not Gulfstream, some nautical experience, not gallic/garlic, peffer-salami it does smell of..:}
Mike

only some nautical usage

[sycamore]

Aeritalia G222?