What Cockpit? MK VI

[aviate1138]

The right era. Different country.

[Lightning Mate]

The pointed windscreen reminds me of the Boeing 247.

[aviate1138]

LM you are the Man. You have Control.

Some 247s had the forward pointy windscreen, others had a more conventional setup.

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/aviate1138/ScreenShot2013-01-31at115933_zpsb2617645.png

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/aviate1138/ScreenShot2013-01-31at120128_zpse21d8d78.png

[Lightning Mate]

Thank you aviate.

In this one, unusually, mehmsab is in the left seat and I'm in the right.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/DSCF0180_zps702ee250.jpg

[newt]

Good grief LM! I hope you did not get into the luft in that configuration?;)

[Lightning Mate]

G'day newt. :)

Wossa aeroplane then?

Shown around it by an ex-Lightning pilot. ;)

[twochai]

Sure looks like a Boeing B-17, or variant thereof.

But its already been done, according to Mel's list??

OH if correct.

[newt]

B 17 G at Duxford?

[Lightning Mate]

twochai has it. :ok:

I'ts the "Sally B" but not at Duxford - Bournemouth.

Open House has been declared.

[Woods]

Don't know the protocol for this, but would suggest a relook at the cockpit of the Boeing 247. Looks very,very Douglas, DC 1 or 2, to me. Woods

[evansb]

I agree with Woods. aviate1138's cockpit on page 7998 looks more like a Douglas DC-2 cockpit than a Boeing 247 cockpit.

[aviate1138]

I bow to your expertise peeps.

This was my source.

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/aviate1138/ScreenShot2013-02-01at163238_zps902dbc43.png


However is this what you think it should be?

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/aviate1138/ScreenShot2013-02-01at163129_zps52a16f30.png

[evansb]

Identify the following mystery cockpit:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP130202.jpg

[NutherA2]

Partenavia P68 "Victor"? OH if right...........

[evansb]

Sorry, not the Partenavia P68..

[TheiC]

That's the Tecnam P2006, which boasts a fatal accident rate of around 1 per 25 aircraft built, so far (and they've not been in build very long at all), from the information I can gather.

Open House if correct, though I may pick up my own OH tomorrow if no-one else fills it.

[evansb]

Yes, it is the TECNAM P2006T. Mount Royal University's Aviation Program in Calgary operate 3 of the type.

As requested, it is OPEN HOUSE.

[evansb]

Identify the mystery cockpit:
http://s141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/?action=view&current=WCP130208.jpghttp://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/WCP130208.jpg
http://s141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/?action=view&current=WCP130208.jpg

[BSD]

How about the Martin 404? Pretty sure I recall seeing that throttle/reverse pitch arrangement in one I looked at Sun-n-fun a few years ago

Haven't got anything to post, so if I'm right may I declare open house?

BSD.

p.s. what is that in front, a Constellation of some kind?

[aviate1138]

Google National Airline Museum Kansas City MO "Save a Connie"

[evansb]

BSD is correct. The Martin 4-0-4. As requested, it is OPEN HOUSE.

[evansb]

I hereby declare this thread as DEAD.

[Cubs2jets]

MEDIC !!!

Prepare a syringe of adrenalin and charge the paddles to 200 !

CLEAR !!!

Prep the O.R. for emergency surgery and BRING ME ANOTHER COCKPIT.

C2j

[India Four Two]

C2j,

As requested!

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/null_zpse800a03c.jpg

Not a cockpit, but appropriate under the circumstances. What's the aircraft?

[Lightning Mate]

Pilatus PC12

[India Four Two]

LM,

The picture is not captioned with the type, but I agree with you, it's a PC-12, from the Royal Flying Doctor Service.

You have control.

[Lightning Mate]

Thank you.

Unable to assume control so please accept Open House.

[India Four Two]

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/null_zps8da3848d.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Definitely a single engine French piston.
....and high wing methinks.

[Lightning Mate]

Hold it!

Is it a French produced Storch?

[aviate1138]

It's a Froggy Storch - not Cricket really......

MS 505 Criquet?


Bowled by LM :)

[India Four Two]

Yes, F-AZTB at Lyon

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/ScreenShot2013-02-19at192104_zpsd3592c2f.png

Continuing the cricket metaphor, your turn at bat, LM. ;)

[Lightning Mate]

Many thanks, but I'm busy for the rest of the day so OH if you don't mind.

[India Four Two]

Then I think aviate1138 should be next at bat.

[Lightning Mate]

Agreed....

[aviate1138]

Thanks mes amis.

Hoping this has not been shown under a different name.....


http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/aviate1138/ScreenShot2013-02-19at205147_zps8c00e903.png

[sycamore]

Nord 858,and the sticks are from an S-58/H34...Pragmatic Francais...`Porte Ouverte` if correct..

[aviate1138]

sycamore has it. Open House

The Nord 858S from the outside.

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/aviate1138/ScreenShot2013-02-19at222544_zps39302889.png

[MReyn24050]

Here is something that is somewhat older :-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz469_zpsd3bc8208.jpg

[India Four Two]

Flying boat? Tandem two-seater?

[Noyade]

A Russian Shavrov Mel?

[MReyn24050]

Hi Graeme
This one was not from Russia.

[India Four Two]

Mel, I see now there are two sticks, so a side-by-side cockpit.

The coloured knobs on the tops of the sticks reminded me of several German gliders I've flown, so on a hunch, I looked up German flying boats.

Sometimes, hunches pay off. I think it's a Dornier Libelle. :)

[MReyn24050]

I42. You have it. It is indeed a Dornier Do A Libelle. You have Control. :ok:

[India Four Two]

Good post, Mel.

What an interesting aircraft. Quite modern-looking for 1921:


http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/Libelle_zpsdfeef883.jpg


An interesting discussion of how it ended up in a German museum, but with a VQ registration, here:


Wings Over New Zealand - Dornier Libelle Flying Boat 1930 (http://rnzaf.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=civil&action=display&thread=8281)




I don't have a sufficiently difficult cockpit to post, so Open House.

[Lightning Mate]

Watch your image sizes mate - the Mods have stated many times max. 800.

[India Four Two]

LM,

Better?

[Lightning Mate]

Yes mate.

Remember - I don't make the rules here!

[MReyn24050]

List updated today up to and including 18 March 2013. Unfortunately the Mods in their wisdom have decided that this thread should no longer be a "Sticky". I will endeavour to try to keep it on the same page.
Mel

[India Four Two]

Great work, Mel. Thanks again.

Your post reminded me that no cockpits have been posted recently. Here's one to get things going again:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/WC-2013-03-20_zps699a020f.png

[sycamore]

Taylor Titch..?

[India Four Two]

No, not that titchy. ;)

[Lightning Mate]

A homebuilt maybe?

[India Four Two]

No, a certified aircraft.

[sycamore]

German type attitude indicator..Continental then..?

[India Four Two]

sycamore,

I wasn't aware that it was a German AH. Not Continental.

[India Four Two]

Back to the top.

Everyone is missing the elephant in the room. ;)

[ICT_SLB]

Don't see any engine instruments and it's a very narrow fuselage....

[India Four Two]

ICT_SLB,

You've noticed the elephant! There are no engine instruments.

[Lightning Mate]

1-23E Bikle

[India Four Two]

Yes, Paul Bikle's record-breaking SGS 1-23E N91893.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/1-23E_zps31cedecf.png

This aircraft has a very interesting history. The 1-23E was a one-off, built for Paul MacReady (of "MacReady Ring" and Gossamer Condor fame) to compete in the 1954 World Championships in the UK, where he finished fourth.

It was sold to Paul Bikle, who used it to set a world record speed of 88.5 km/hr over a 200 km course in 1957 and absolute altitude (46,266') and gain of height (42,303') world records in 1961. The single-seat records have been subsequently surpassed, but interestingly the Open Class gain of height still stands. Paul's account of his flight can be read here:

The Aerosente Glider Workshop: The World Altitude Record of Paul Bickle (http://www.aerosente.com/2009/09/the-world-altitude-record-of-paul-bickle.html)

Besides being an accomplished glider pilot, Paul Bikle was also director of NASA Flight Research Center (now NASA Dryden) from 1959 to 1971.

These photos were taken in a hangar at Dryden in 2011, when Paul Bikle's sons assembled their father's aircraft.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/1-23EDryden_zpsfa6726c1.png

If you are going to the stratosphere, you need a big oxygen bottle!
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/1-23EO2_zps4aeaf846.png

LM has control.

[Lightning Mate]

I'll throw it to the floor if that's OK.

OH

[The late XV105]

http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t493/PPRUNE64/WhatCockpit/IMG_130309111840.jpg

[TheiC]

Looks like a Piasecki H-21...

[India Four Two]

... from Sweden. ;)

[TheiC]

It was a VERY interesting (but brief) search... The thought process went:

Obviously rotary-wing
Forward, mid, aft, temperature gauges with fairly low values on them
Hard to say, but it looks like oil pressure gauges ditto

...so, something with a long transmission perhaps

Could it be a tandem rotor?

Wiki'd tandem rotor helicopters because the lists there tend to be quite complete, by chance picked the Piasecki 21 as the first to look at properly, as I didn't know much about it, and found the cockpit shot. Job done, I hope!

Hmmm, have we had it before?

Piasecki CH-21 Shawnee 57 1123 15/04/2007

[The late XV105]

Indeed TheiC and I42.
AKA the Vertol 44A Hkp1.
I didn't expect it to last long! :)
Glad it provided some interest, TheiC, and I like your deduction process.

http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t493/PPRUNE64/WhatCockpit/IMG_130309111859.jpg

http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t493/PPRUNE64/WhatCockpit/IMG_130309112142.jpg


YHC TheiC.

[TheiC]

Thank you...

http://imageshack.us/a/img825/6809/22march2013hf.jpg

[The late XV105]

Airbus Military C295

[TheiC]

Ping...

Pong...

The CASA/EADS 295 it is, and you have control...

[The late XV105]

Thanks, Theic. I got lucky for a change and recognised it instantly.

Signing out for the evening, so OH it is.

[TheiC]

With luck this is a little more challenging...

http://imageshack.us/a/img10/7500/23marchchf.jpg

[sycamore]

F-102,or F106 possibly..?

[TheiC]

Nope, and nope, I'm afraid, my sparring partner... (or if this is history and nostalgia, would that be re-sparring partner?).

[sycamore]

Alright then ;American naval,possibly piston ,tricycle u/c...?

[TheiC]

I never know how I feel about answering significant questions very early on in these threads; I sometimes feel we could end up in a situation in which people post questions which enable a rapid whittling of possibilities, perhaps slightly against the spirit of the thread...

So, perhaps I can answer for now that a search for US Navy piston-engined, tricycle-geared aircraft would not bear fruit...

Further clarification in the morning if not before. I will say that I was a little suprised that this aircraft had not already featured in the thread.

[sycamore]

As it seems to have a `primitive` Russian style ejection seat,and is possibly twin engined,possibly jet,how about a Yak-25 Firebar..or East European..?

[TheiC]

Not a Yak-25, and not from Eastern Europe, I'm afraid...

And to put promised meat on the bone, this is not a Naval aircraft. Further clarification of answers to sycamore's questions as the day goes by...

[TheiC]

...and it is not piston-powered...

[Lightning Mate]

PA 48 Enforcer.

[TheiC]

Right again LM, I'm very surprised that the give-away Piper propeller control didn't, er, give it away...

You have control...

[Lightning Mate]

Thank you TheiC.

Another for your perusal.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/cool-5_zpsfa69d895.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

This aeroplane is from a very well-known and famous American manufacturer.

[Noyade]

famous American manufacturer.

G;day mate.

I have been looking at homebuilt aircraft with canopies that flip from the front and was thinking Lancair, but would they be regarded as famous?

[TheiC]

Looks like a stablemate of my last one, the Piper Sportcruiser.

[Lightning Mate]

The Piper Sport it is.

Back to you. :ok:

[TheiC]

I'll say OPEN HOUSE as a bit busy... I'll post something if I find time...

[Noyade]

In the meantime then?

http://i48.tinypic.com/jgoe20.jpg

[TheiC]

A member of the Rallye family?

[Noyade]

G'day TheiC.

No mate. Nothing from France.

[Lightning Mate]

Looking at the instruments I would say American.

[Noyade]

Yes, it is from the USA.

[Noyade]

A bit about the designer.

He was involved in the design of the Lockheed Neptune, a very popular Piper aircraft, and a well known home-built aircraft that achieved a couple of long distance flights.

[Noyade]

This particular machine was an American registered one on a European tour with plans to produce it on an ex-44th Bomb Group WW2 airfield - Shipholm in Norfolk. But this was the early 90's - dunno if it ever eventuated.

http://i47.tinypic.com/33xikon.jpg

[aviate1138]

Pedant note - Shipdam in Norfolk

Google Image Result for http://www.controltowers.co.uk/s/images/Shipdham_Mem.jpg (http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.controltowers.co.uk/s/images/Shipdham_Mem.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.controltowers.co.uk/s/Shipdham.htm&h=156&w=267&sz=13&tbnid=r8dRG08KZAvU3M:&tbnh=70&tbnw=120&zoom=1&usg=__PFrMl8yyjfWTks9iF4ikR-s8K-I=&docid=PNjraahjKuJUMM&sa=X&ei=dS9VUaqEMIG0O5-_gYAE&ved=0CFUQ9QEwBQ&dur=45)

Thorp T-211 perhaps?

If it is then Open House, if not, then DOH! :rolleyes:

Happy Easter, Peeps......

[Noyade]

Thorp T-211

That's the one aviate. :ok:

Open House.

[Noyade]

Not on Mel's list...

http://i46.tinypic.com/351el29.jpg

[aviate1138]

Is it a big Convair transport? No I thought it might be the XC-99 but that is on the list. Big beast whatever it is.......

[India Four Two]

aviate1138,
I had the same thought, but I can only see four throttles.

American?

[India Four Two]

The cockpit windows have a vaguely C130 look about them, so I looked up Lockheed and stumbled upon the R6V Constitution.

A nice video here Forgotten Aircraft - Lockheed Constitution - YouTube (http://youtube.com/watch?feature=plcp&v=-Ss9ZyidjlI)

including a shot of the engineer's panel and a JATO takeoff.

Another link for use on mobile devices http://http://www.scoopweb.com/Lockheed_R6V_Constitution (http://www.scoopweb.com/Lockheed_R6V_Constitution)
Scroll down to the bottom right of the page and open the first video.

[Noyade]

R6V Constitution.

Well done mate! :ok: Your control.

[India Four Two]

Great challenge. Nothing suitable to follow up with, so Open House.

[Noyade]

http://i50.tinypic.com/25yyavs.jpg

[sycamore]

Looks like a Bulldog with `attitude`...Bullfinch..? OH if correct

[TheiC]

Interesting research...

I was tempted to say Bulldog 200, which was, I believe, the military version of the Bullfinch...

But:

Where's the handle for the disappearing wheels?
...or is that the weird thing at (31)/(32), and if so, why out of reach of the RHS occupant and out of keeping with normailty?
The panel (especially around (60)) looks wrong for the 200...
The quadrant doesn't look very Scottish Aviation...
The sticks are the wrong shape...
I can't find evidence of a 200 with a serious weapons capability...

So, bearing in mind my dislike of highly definitive enquiries early on, ONE question:

Did this aircraft enter series production?

[Noyade]

Eventing Gents.

Not the Bulldog.

So, bearing in mind my dislike of highly definitive enquiries early onI don't mind mate, ask away! :)

No.31 and No.32 are the wing flap selector and wing flap indicator respectively.
Ans yes, it went into production.

Cheers.

[Mechta]

Malmo MFI-9? AKA 'Biafra Baby'

[TheiC]

Saab Safari? Open House if correct...

[Noyade]

Saab Safari - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_Safari)

Saab MFI-15 Safari, also known as the Saab MFI-17 Supporter, is a prop-powered basic trainer aircraft used by several air forces.Well done Theic - mine was captioned "Supporter".

Open House.

[TheiC]

Time passages, as Al Stewart would say...

http://imageshack.us/a/img198/4576/dsc1162hf.jpg

[evansb]

Avro Shackleton ?

[TheiC]

Not the Shackleton, I'm afraid.

[mcdhu]

mmmmm....ok, nav station, G1VB compass, Decca, Tacan, quite high speed ASI, British military? All guesses of course - Canberra?
mcdhu

[TheiC]

All very good guesses...

The EE Canberra it is (though not the PR mark we had previously).

mcdhu has control...

[mcdhu]

Sorry chaps. I am an ardent follower of this thread but do not have the wherewithal to contribute a cockpit.

Open house.
Mcdhu

[Noyade]

Could only find a part of a cockpit...

http://i37.tinypic.com/8wl3ls.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

The percentage rpm indicator tells me it's a jet, and single engine.

British possibly?

[India Four Two]

I think the altimeter indicates a non-British aircraft.

[Lightning Mate]

Well, I've flown a British jet with a three needle altimeter.

A sod of an instrument which is all too easy to mis-read.

[Noyade]

Not British.

But yes, it is a single engine jet aircraft.

[Lightning Mate]

I can't see an attitude indicator so I assme it's off-picture to the right.

That would indicate a side-by-side two seater.

[Noyade]

Can't help you with the other side of the cockpit mate.

Single-seater.

[sycamore]

American Navy test aircraft..?

[Noyade]

Yes mate, American and Navy but not built specifically for research/testing. It proved too heavy for carrier service and never went into production. They did try to sell it to the Japanese as a land based aircraft - but they went with the F-104 instead.

[Lightning Mate]

Grumman ?....

[Noyade]

Grumman ?....

Yes.......

[Lightning Mate]

XF10F Jaguar ?

[Noyade]

Not the Jaguar......

[aviate1138]

How about the YA2-F1 perhaps?

[Lightning Mate]

Wasn't that a two-seater?

[Noyade]

YA2-F1 perhapsTook me awhile to figure out your designation. Did you mean the early Intruder?..The A2F-1?

Sorry, but no.

http://i39.tinypic.com/w1el2b.jpg

[Noyade]

They did try to sell it to the Japanese as a land based aircraft As a land-based, single-seat fighter aircraft...

http://i41.tinypic.com/ritc7l.jpg

[MReyn24050]

The Grumman F11F-1F Super Tiger I believe.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/SuperTiger_zpsaf8b3e66.jpg

[Noyade]

That's the one Mel. :ok:

Your control.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Graeme. Great challenge. Here is the next:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz470_zps43b99565.jpg

[Noyade]

1920's?
Civil?

[evansb]

Vickers Vellore ?

[MReyn24050]

Graeme. This aircraft was for military use in WW1. It was not from Vickers Bri.

[India Four Two]

Mel,

I also thought 1920s. It seems very advanced for WWI. I presume those are lights sticking out from the panel on bendy stalks.

So, a SE night bomber? Possibly French or Italian.

I love the man-sized primer pump. ;)

[aviate1138]

How about a Curtis designed machine - just a quick stab.......

[MReyn24050]

Hi Simon. My source gives this aircraft as being in Service in WW1. It was not from either France or Italy, Neither, aviate 1138 was it from the USA.

[evansb]

Hansa-Brandenburg G.I ?

[MReyn24050]

You have the correct stables Bri but not the correct"bird".

[Noyade]

Can't quite figure out that brace at the top left hand corner of your photo Mel. I was initially thinking it might be that connection point seen on the "starstrutter" D1 - but doubt it would have a wheel column?

The B.1 perhaps?

http://i39.tinypic.com/25tyy3b.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Not the B.1 Graeme. This one was designed for operating from the water.

[Noyade]

Hi Mel.

This one was designed for operating from the water. Still trying to find a Hansa with that strut so close to the cockpit. Maybe the W.12?

http://i41.tinypic.com/xudfr.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Sorry Graeme neither of those. Here is a shot of the aircraft minus wings.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Anothershot_zpse37132a7.jpg

[Noyade]

shot of the aircraft minus wings.

Fascinating challenge mate! :)

So, we're looking for a single-engine flying-boat with the engine being a pusher type, caught in a wed of struts between the two wings?

Your image shows what appears to me to be a very large cockpit area? How many crew?

http://i39.tinypic.com/2enc7r5.jpg

[dash7fan]

Maybe Hansa Brandenburg W 18, also K.u.K. Seeflugzeug Type A (A105/106)

[MReyn24050]

It was a very interesting aircraft Graeme. The crew consisted of a pilot and two observers. The aircraft already had a system for wireless telegraphy . It was able to stay in the air eight hours.

[MReyn24050]

However, dash7fan, it was not the W.8 or the K.u.K. Seeflugzeug Type A (A105/106).

[Noyade]

Hansa Brandenburg W.13 (Typ K)?

[MReyn24050]

Not the Hansa Brandenburg W.13 (Typ K). This aircraft was not as large as the W.13. Only 6 of this type were supplied to the German Navy, which was reported to be not enthusiastic about flying boats. The Austrian Navy on the other hand favoured this type and used it in the Adriatic with considerable success.
The design was based on another type of flying boat.

[evansb]

Based on a Lohner l.14 ? The H-B FB ?

[MReyn24050]

You have it Bri. The Brandenburg FB. You have control.

[evansb]

Thanks Mel! Quite the challenge! Here is the next one:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/7586116470_44194f8df9_c1_zps77bf9cfc.jpg

[aviate1138]

Saw it at Van Nuys a while back - a twin pusher gullwing Piaggio Pi 36? Never saw it flying though.

[Lightning Mate]

Google images is your friend.

[MReyn24050]

Google images is your friend. or ones enemy if one is trying to post a challenge.

[aviate1138]

LM Google images is your friend.

Actually as a director of flying sequences on movies I spent hours looking at the Piaggio at Van Nuys for the possibility of it being used on a project we had going at Industrial Light and Magic up in Marin County. Clay Lacy was always my first choice as pilot and he is based at Van Nuys. The Piaggio used to fly out to some of the islands nearby and lakes in the Sierras.

In the end I shot sequences in Tallmantz Aviation's ex Disney B-25 out of Orange County. Had we used the Piaggio I think the wings would have come off.

[Noyade]

Google images is your friend.Piaggio Pi 36piaggio pi 36 - Google Search (https://www.google.com.au/search?q=Piaggio+Pi+36&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a)

I dunno mate, I think the guy who captioned the images on Flickr gave ya a bum steer?

I"ll lock in with a different Piaggio designation answer - the P.136...

:ok:

http://i42.tinypic.com/xcuc02.jpg

[evansb]

It is a P.166. Open house.

[Noyade]

Here's another....

http://i42.tinypic.com/1690lzk.jpg

[aviate1138]

Looks like a P-38?

[Noyade]

Not the P-38 mate...

[Lightning Mate]

Northrop P61 ?

[Noyade]

Nearly there mate...

This version had tandem seating and carried no armament...

http://i39.tinypic.com/19muza.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Northrop Reporter?

[Noyade]

That's the one. The Northrop F-15A Reporter. Your control.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_F-15_Reporter

http://i44.tinypic.com/73o412.jpg

[Lightning Mate]

Open House please.

[MReyn24050]

Open House! Try this one, seems to be Google Image proof:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz471_zpsc1053709.jpg

[Noyade]

Evening Mel.
The Fokker T.VIII-W?

[MReyn24050]

Well done Graeme. I think you must have the profile publication. It is indeed the Fokker T.VIII-W. You have control.

[Noyade]

Thanks Mel, if it wasn't for the latest AviaQuiz challenge I would never have found your cockpit and yes, it was Profile Publication. However, did you display that cockpit shot back in 2009? I've just been looking at your lists.

Couldn't see this in your cockpit list, but there are a few very similar machines from the same firm, so I suspect there a many similarities...

http://i40.tinypic.com/2zsxuf5.jpg

[India Four Two]

Graeme,

After a deviation down the DH branch of the British Aviation family tree, I next tried Airspeed and look what I found:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/consulcockpit_layout_zps38d902bf.jpg

The Airspeed Consul. It looks like the radio must have doubled as a cabin heater!

[Noyade]

Good detective work there Simon! :ok:

Tis the Consul. Your control.

[MReyn24050]

Graeme. You wrote:-
However, did you display that cockpit shot back in 2009? I've just been looking at your lists.

The same shot except it was from another source. Sorry for the repetition. When searching for the Aviaquiz I found the shot posted in the profile on the aircraft and thought that would be a good challenge forgetting I had posted it some four years ago. My excuse is, old age creeping on. Before posting the latest I did check my own list however I was looking for Fokker T.VIII-W and completely missed T-8W.

[India Four Two]

Thanks, Graeme. I'm having trouble coming up with a suitable cockpit, so Open House.

[MReyn24050]

Open House. Here is a nice easy one:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz472_zps260983b0.jpg

[Noyade]

Sorry for the repetition.No need mate! :) I just had the vaguest recollection of seeing it before.

Here is a nice easy one:-Yeah, right....:)

To me the pilot would be looking straight ahead at....a panel? Is the top perspex in line with the fuselage?...

http://i41.tinypic.com/seyc6e.jpg

Parasol? German? (I thought I could read "Kalter?")

Cheers!

[Noyade]

Second cup of coffee...
I think there should be more curvature in the cockpit line?...

http://i42.tinypic.com/19vb5x.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Graeme
Parasol? German? (I thought I could read "Kalter?")

Yes. Your drawing is not far off the original. The line of the perspex is not bad. It is where it blends into the forward fuselage that is different.

[evansb]

Focke-Wulf A47 ?

[MReyn24050]

You have it Bri. :ok: The Focke-Wulf A47.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/A47_zps89af053d.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Fw_47_D-2295_310x162_zps0c3a2ab8.jpg

You have control

[evansb]

Here is one that may have not been done before:
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r68/convair640/7585254546_dd50244851_c1.jpg

[Kitbag]

Aviatik B1?

[evansb]

No, not an Aviatik.

[Noyade]

Hi Brian.
Do the exhaust pipes at top right of your photo continue to go up and up....?
Mercedes or Benz engine maybe?

http://i41.tinypic.com/2s6tthx.jpg

[evansb]

It was powered by an Hispano-Suiza V8. The pipes collect into one larger vertical pipe. The model in the photo was the sole aircraft of its type to be imported into the United States in 1927. The U.S. Army wasn't interested.

[MReyn24050]

The Fokker S.III or as it was known in the USA S.3 perhaps?

[evansb]

Mel is spot on:ok: The Fokker S.3 it is (was). Your control.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Bri. sorry for the delay, here is the next.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz474_zpsdf9cd991.jpg

[Noyade]

G'day Mel.

Does that boxy looking thing with the two hinges flip over to make some sort of cabin roof? An aircraft of some historical importance - record breaking flight?

http://i44.tinypic.com/2rq23bo.jpg

[MReyn24050]

Graeme. Your thoughts are correct the portion of the wing does fold to give the occupant of that seat access. It then flips back to form the aerofoil. Not record breaking but a sports aircraft that won a number of competitions.

[MReyn24050]

There cannot be many aircraft that had this feature.

[evansb]

Yes, I agree, but... Is it kinda Comper Swift and Cessna CR2 ish?

[MReyn24050]

Hi Bri.Similar to the Comper Swift but was a few years earlier. The engine of the challenge aircraft was also smaller than the Popjoy in the Comper Swift. The challenge aircraft was designed to carry two pilots or one pilot and a passenger in tandem.

[Noyade]

Is it British Mel?

[Noyade]

A high-wing monoplane, carries two people on less hp than a Comper Swift and circa approximately early twenties.

Would it be classified as an ultralight?

[Noyade]

Beardmore Wee Bee?

[BSD]

How about the ANEC II?

Can't recall if it is still airworthy, but I think there is one at Old Warden. I'm pretty sure it has such a cockpit arrangement.

BSD.

[MReyn24050]

Not the ANEC II. BSD. This aircraft was similar. However it was not British.

[Noyade]

Let's go to Germany then.

Messerschmitt M 17 Ello?

[evansb]

http://www.bredow-web.de/ILA_2004/Traditionsflugzeuge/Messerschmitt_M-17/Messerschmitt_M_17_-_Cockpit.jpg

[aviate1138]

Great stuff.....

That is the passenger cockpit isn't it? No need for him/her to be able to see forwards.....

Flying on a wisp of power......

[MReyn24050]

You have it Graeme. The Messerschmitt M.17:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/messerschmitt_M_01_zps0b8a9f6a.jpg.
If the forward cockpit was the Pilot's cockpit at least he had a "slightly" better view forward.

The M 17 was a German sports plane, a single-engine high-wing monoplane. It was designed by Willy Messerschmitt in 1925 in Bamberg. This aircraft won many competitions and allowed Willy Messerschmitt to build its first factory.

The aircraft was a two-seater almost completely made of wood and weighed only 198 kg (437 lb). The engine was a 22 kW (29 hp) Bristol Cherub II. The pilot had no forward visibility.
In September 1926, pilot Eberhard von Conta, and the writer Werner von Langsdorff flew in an M 17 from Bamberg to Rome. This marked the first time the central Alps were crossed with a light aircraft. The flight lasted more than 14 hours and they had to refuel every three hours, since the tank could only hold 28 L (7 US gal). They reached an altitude of 4,500 m (14,760 ft).

Brave men.

[Noyade]

Thanks Mel, gotta get lucky sometimes.

This is even smaller than the Messerschmitt...

http://i43.tinypic.com/308clsw.jpg

[Noyade]

Originally a glider (designed with the assistance of Sydney Camm) it flew with a motorcycle engine in 1923.

[MReyn24050]

The Handasyde Monoplane perhaps:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/HandasydeMonoplane-1_zps231aa7d8.jpg

[Noyade]

Yes indeed mate, control returns to you. :ok:
Cheers.

[MReyn24050]

Thanks Graeme. Here is the next:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz475_zpsbfb2597f.jpg

[Noyade]

Morning Mel.

Are we still in Germany?

[MReyn24050]

Hi Graeme. Yes we are still in Germany.

[Lightning Mate]

Morning Mel.

A flying boat?

[MReyn24050]

Morning David. No, this aircraft was not a flying boat.

[Noyade]

Windscreen looks dead straight?
Pre-1939?
Quick stab - Dornier 19?

[MReyn24050]

You must stab elsewhere Graeme. This aircraft was not from Dornier.

[Noyade]

You must stab elsewhere Graeme.Just a flesh wound eh? :)

Maybe the Condor? Does it have some sort of sliding perspex panels inside the cockpit? Dunno why.

http://i44.tinypic.com/33lz2hx.jpg

[MReyn24050]

You have it Graeme. It is indeed the cockpit of the Focke-Wulf Condor.

[Noyade]

Thanks Mel.

Didn't see this on your list...

http://i43.tinypic.com/w1fek0.jpg

[BSD]

Vaguely reminiscent of the dear old DC-8. Must be a really early one if it is, but I'm sure that nosewheel steering (with the park brake set into the middle?) is very familiar.

Haven't had a gander at the list of done types though and can't believe the Diesel hasn't featured already.

Cheers,

BSD.

[evansb]

McDonnell 119/220 ?

[Noyade]

can't believe the Diesel hasn't featured already.I looked long and hard between the Dornier Seastar and the Dresden Type 155, and couldn't see it. Mind you, it was a boy-look. So then I thought maybe I should find a better image of the DC-8, but since it defeated Google Image, I went with it.

Not sure if it is an early mock-up, but it certainly is seen in an article for Douglas DC-8, with the caption...

Aging Flight Deck. The technology of flight decks in the 1950s was along way from modern aircraft, with simple dials and switches and no screens.Bottom line reads,...Your control BSD.

Cheers.

[BSD]

As you say, a really early one. Such a magnificent machine, can't believe it had been overlooked.

Just been trying to post a picture of a unique cockpit I took on my I-phone recently but so far failing.

Will review the posting guidance, but in the meantime off early am on a trip for 5 days.

Please may I declare it OH at the moment, promising to post something soon.

Cheers all,

BSD.

[TheiC]

This may keep us going for a little while...

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3920/mystery24may20132.jpg

[NutherA2]

Venom NF2 or 3?

[TheiC]

Not the Venom, I'm afraid.

[TheiC]

This slightly different view may help...

http://imageshack.us/a/img401/1849/mystery24may20131.jpg

[India Four Two]

TheIC,

A very interesting challenge. Based on the throttle quadrant, I'm assuming piston-single. The instrument panel is very odd, particularly the location of the T&B indicator, so possibly a prototype or a development "hack".

I thought there was something vaguely "Hawkerish" about the cockpit, but after looking at the Tempest and Typhoon cockpits, I can see, as they say in these parts "same same, but different".

So one shot in the dark would be one of the Tornado prototypes.

Alternatively, I'm intrigued by the digital counter in your second picture. Could this be a target tug?

[TheiC]

I42,

A very interesting challenge Thank you, I hope so...

one shot in the dark would be one of the Tornado prototypes I'm afraid that shot would be wide of the mark. This was not a Hawker product.

I'm intrigued by the digital counter in your second picture Me too, I had a vague thought it might be something as mundane as a daring way to show fuel quantity, though there is another possibility specific to the type which I haven't been able to find anything on.

Could this be a target tug? Nope, not a target tug I'm afraid.

[Noyade]

Particularly in the second shot it looks like a very high shouldered wing - which is almost level with cockpit?

Like a Barracuda...?

http://i44.tinypic.com/2rlylcj.jpg

Or a Miles Master?...

http://i42.tinypic.com/2zogfo1.jpg

British?
Is it new to Mel's list mate?

[Agaricus bisporus]

This is a two seater? I can't see that these are the same cockpits?

The lower fuselage shape looks odd to me, the frames look as if it is a concave chine meeting at a keel, a la flying boat. Or, on second thoughts, one side of a bifurcated jet inlet?

The profile of the exterior is odd too, blended into the fuselage in a way that doesn't suggest piston technology. The fuselage seems to be sitting very "deep" in the rest of the structure. Flush riveted. It has a gun.

Early jet?

[TheiC]

I'm glad we're moving along... Things were quiet on this one for a while...

Noyade,

Particularly in the second shot it looks like a very high shouldered wing I would say that this is a high-wing machine, though 'shoulder wing' might well be apt. It is not a Barracuda nor a Miles Master, though.

Is it new to Mel's list mate? Yes.

AB,

This is a two seater? I'm afraid not.

It has a gun. No, it does not.

[sycamore]

SARO A-1 fighter TG263...?

[TheiC]

Sycamore, well done! I'm astonished this hasn't featured before, though the difficulty which had to be overcome in getting decent photos may be a reason (high ISO, long zoom, big flash to get images from the balcony above where it is exhibited).

Agaricus B was incredibly astute in identifying not only that the frames look as if it is a concave chine meeting at a keel, a la flying boat but also on second thoughts, one side of a bifurcated jet inlet both of which were spot on! Good skills.

This aircraft, according to wikipedia Saunders-Roe SR.A/1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saunders-Roe_SR.A/1) was the first aircraft to be fitted with production Martin Baker ejection seats. I'm a little sorry this didn't run slightly longer, but I hope it was enjoyed all the same.

The throttles, by the way, are to starboard, and it had four guns, not 'a gun'. Please forgive my pedantry. The mechanical counters may have been associated with its mooring system, operable from the cockpit, but that's only a hunch.

[sycamore]

The canopy looked a bit `solid` which appears as a `feature on a lot of early post-war British jets`..A-B hint was helpful and I would defer to him ,or Open House..

[India Four Two]

TheIC,

An excellent challenge. Looking it up after the fact, I see that one of the Beryls from the prototype was used by Donald Campbell in Bluebird K7 for his water-speed records. How appropriate.

I thought Bluebird had always had an Orpheus, but I see now that that was a retrofit for his fatal attempt in 1966.

[Agaricus bisporus]

Thanks sycamore, but I have nowt so open house as you suggest.

Four guns indeed! Hurrumph!

And to think I considered boats, then the A1 but didn't even bother looking as I knew it had a bubble canopy and this didn't look at all like one! Though I have to say I don't think I'd have got it as the pics I've found of it don't show enough detail of the canopy.

And right and wrong on the flying boat deduction at the same time but for the wrong reasons! Ah well, a satisfying miss!

That's what makes this thread such fun.

[MReyn24050]

Try this one. It is I believe Google Image proof:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/Cockpitquiz476_zps739fb285.jpg

[Kitbag]

British twin engined, single seater, 1935-1945-ish, not the Whirlwind or Welkin as far as I can see. Boulton Paul P88- designed to the same spec.
No scratch that- it was canceled within a few months of contract. The Vickers Type 432 was built and flew.

[MReyn24050]

You are correct regarding the aircraft being a twin engined. However, it is not one of the aircraft you mention.

[Harley Quinn]

You are correct regarding the aircraft being a twin engined. However, it is not one of the aircraft you mention.
Is he/she right about the nationality?



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[MReyn24050]

Yes HQ, it is British and post 1945.

[Kitbag]

Thank you HQ, v. much 'he' here.

Given dates, how about the Short Sturgeon?

[MReyn24050]

You have it Kitbag :ok:. It is the instrument panel of the Short Sturgen T.T.2.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/sabamel/178799d1316469691t-british-bombers-transport-aircrafts-short-sturgeon-002_zps4d2dbbb5.jpg

You have control.

[Kitbag]

TVM Mel, try this:

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa154/Kitweston/WCP27May-1.png

[Lightning Mate]

Looks better with the colour restored.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/fast-2_zps649c7759.jpg

[Kitbag]

Looks better with the colour restored.

IMAGE#1

Clearly too easy, I hand control to Lightning Mate for identifying the Macchi 67


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[Lightning Mate]

Thank you Kitbag.

This one is not available in colour.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/wot-6_zps280691d9.png

[MReyn24050]

That would be the cockpit of the Schneider Trophy winner the Supermarine S6B.