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In line with my definition I’d be planning the official opening in September.
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So will runway 02 be finally be getting an ILS and some proper approach lighting? The lighting could do with upgrading at the other end as well. If not that will knock off some significant time, as nothing needs setting up apart from the PAPI lights.
So what will be the RVR at both ends once the work is finished?
So what will be the RVR at both ends once the work is finished?
Sorry to be pedantic, what is defined as “completion”? If I were AGS I am not going to pay the final invoice until my surveyors have confirmed that I have the 164 metres that I am paying for, the runway markings are in accordance with plans approved by CAA and the AGL changes are firstly in accordance with the CAA approved project plans and secondly have been successfully flight checked. That’s what I’d define as “completion”.
In line with my definition I’d be planning the official opening in September.
In line with my definition I’d be planning the official opening in September.
Interesting point - does anybody know if this is actually what is meant by 'completion'? Is it the delivery of the physical infrastructure, i.e. once the point is dry on the revised runway markings, or the day the extension is officially/legally available for use, or possibly a number of points inbetween.
Anybody know how these contracts nornmally work? Is the contractor just responsible for the physical infrastructure or do are do they deliver a total solution - presumably this would involve integration into the operators existing processes and procedures? As you can tell, don't have much knowledge of how these sorts of projects are delivered!
Share your sentiments. After the much heralded approval of the project following the protracted legal wrangling, due to the lack of regular construction updates that were inferred by provision of the app, it’s ended up a bit of a PR damp squib.
Last edited by TCAS FAN; 17th Jun 2023 at 10:32.
………. Anybody know how these contracts nornmally work? Is the contractor just responsible for the physical infrastructure or do are do they deliver a total solution - presumably this would involve integration into the operators existing processes and procedures? As you can tell, don't have much knowledge of how these sorts of projects are delivered!
”On completion of the change, the aerodrome operator should confirm to the CAA that it meets the agreed design criteria and is fit for purpose.”
Once AGS submit the relevant documents to satisfy this requirement , after a post construction survey and AGL flight check, and CAA rubber stamp it the contractor gets a final payment, less possibly a nominal sum held back to cover any faults that may arise in the first few months of operational use.
As they already have most of the required project data, there is just the proof required in the CAP 791 Completion stage to be signed off. They’ve had the project schedule for months so surely someone has already pencilled in a time slot for the Completion review. AGS will have paid them mega bucks for their time on this project, so can expect something in return for it.
The CAA website specifies a 10 day service level for response to correspondence, if only an initial “we are on the case”. Even if they go this way, if all the required proof is contained in the final documents submitted by AGS, I would be still be expecting a formal opening in September, with availability of the improved declared distances published by NOTAM prior to it.
I'm in no way suggesting or implying that EasyJet are to announce further routes from Southampton regardless of the obvious post's on here. I will wait for the day until an official statement is made by EasyJet as I am not the type of person who takes rumours seriously. But if and when EasyJet do announce further routes from Southampton I would imagine that they will be the obvious choices as in.
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With the addition of Edinburgh if EasyJet decided to maintain domestic flights to Southampton.
And "maybe" possibly other potential destinations in the future such as,
Barcelona
Berlin
Ibiza
Milan
Nice
Venice
Some people are posting on here as if they have inside knowledge which with some posters is clearly untrue.
Everyone has to wait until Christmas Day to open their Christmas presents so I'm sure those who are interested in any expansion plans by EasyJet will just have to wait in a similar fashion until something is officially announced by the airline.
Let's all put a halt to this as it's getting boring 😴
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No real need for guesses is there 🙄
I'm in no way suggesting or implying that EasyJet are to announce further routes from Southampton regardless of the obvious post's on here. I will wait for the day until an official statement is made by EasyJet as I am not the type of person who takes rumours seriously. But if and when EasyJet do announce further routes from Southampton I would imagine that they will be the obvious choices as in.
Alicante
Faro
Malaga
Palma
With the addition of Edinburgh if EasyJet decided to maintain domestic flights to Southampton.
And "maybe" possibly other potential destinations in the future such as,
Barcelona
Berlin
Ibiza
Milan
Nice
Venice
Some people are posting on here as if they have inside knowledge which with some posters is clearly untrue.
Everyone has to wait until Christmas Day to open their Christmas presents so I'm sure those who are interested in any expansion plans by EasyJet will just have to wait in a similar fashion until something is officially announced by the airline.
Let's all put a halt to this as it's getting boring 😴
I'm in no way suggesting or implying that EasyJet are to announce further routes from Southampton regardless of the obvious post's on here. I will wait for the day until an official statement is made by EasyJet as I am not the type of person who takes rumours seriously. But if and when EasyJet do announce further routes from Southampton I would imagine that they will be the obvious choices as in.
Alicante
Faro
Malaga
Palma
With the addition of Edinburgh if EasyJet decided to maintain domestic flights to Southampton.
And "maybe" possibly other potential destinations in the future such as,
Barcelona
Berlin
Ibiza
Milan
Nice
Venice
Some people are posting on here as if they have inside knowledge which with some posters is clearly untrue.
Everyone has to wait until Christmas Day to open their Christmas presents so I'm sure those who are interested in any expansion plans by EasyJet will just have to wait in a similar fashion until something is officially announced by the airline.
Let's all put a halt to this as it's getting boring 😴
No real need for guesses is there 🙄
I'm in no way suggesting or implying that EasyJet are to announce further routes from Southampton regardless of the obvious post's on here. I will wait for the day until an official statement is made by EasyJet as I am not the type of person who takes rumours seriously. But if and when EasyJet do announce further routes from Southampton I would imagine that they will be the obvious choices as in.
Alicante
Faro
Malaga
Palma
With the addition of Edinburgh if EasyJet decided to maintain domestic flights to Southampton.
And "maybe" possibly other potential destinations in the future such as,
Barcelona
Berlin
Ibiza
Milan
Nice
Venice
Some people are posting on here as if they have inside knowledge which with some posters is clearly untrue.
I'm in no way suggesting or implying that EasyJet are to announce further routes from Southampton regardless of the obvious post's on here. I will wait for the day until an official statement is made by EasyJet as I am not the type of person who takes rumours seriously. But if and when EasyJet do announce further routes from Southampton I would imagine that they will be the obvious choices as in.
Alicante
Faro
Malaga
Palma
With the addition of Edinburgh if EasyJet decided to maintain domestic flights to Southampton.
And "maybe" possibly other potential destinations in the future such as,
Barcelona
Berlin
Ibiza
Milan
Nice
Venice
Some people are posting on here as if they have inside knowledge which with some posters is clearly untrue.
ie: such as those flights currently served from GVA which are operated by easyJet Switzerland, and those from BFS and GLA are by EasyJet UK.
Any other routes such as PMI, VCE, AGP, ALC FAO etc would be operated by EasyJet Europe's based aircraft (No IBZ or MLA bases BTW) and likely many would be summer only.
So will runway 02 be finally be getting an ILS and some proper approach lighting? The lighting could do with upgrading at the other end as well. If not that will knock off some significant time, as nothing needs setting up apart from the PAPI lights.
So what will be the RVR at both ends once the work is finished?
So what will be the RVR at both ends once the work is finished?
ILS on RWY 02 is not going to happen, any operational improvements that it may result are so small that it is not financially viable. The way forward will be a RNP IAP, with LPV minima when the UK is able to sort something out to replace the EGNOS satellite constellation which we lost access to on leaving the EU.
If a precision IAP ever happens on RWY 02 the PAPI are not going to need modification unless the GP is to be raised above the current angle.
RVR minima for both runways unaffected by the extension. With "intermediate" level of approach lighting on both runways the current EU-OPS approach minima for a CAT C aircraft (ie A320/A319) should be around 700 metres (RWY 20) and 1600 metres (RWY 02). Expenditure on improved lighting may be welcomed by aircrew, due to the land constraints off either end of the runway any possible improvements to approach lighting will not impact the approach minima, so a business case for it simply does not stack up.
If you can produce evidence that I, and others, have got the likely operational date for the extension wrong, you can revel in a "I told you so" post! If not please take the rest of the SOU runway extension project off from this thread.
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Final post on this subject from me also. Extension completion planned for mid-end July, official opening diarised for 21st Sept
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If you have any influence on the issue, rather than some transient local civic person or "personality" to formally open it, my nomination for someone who devoted his whole working life to the airport is at post 1597.
Hopefully that's also the last we hear on the subject from LTNman.
If you have any influence on the issue, rather than some transient local civic person or "personality" to formally open it, my nomination for someone who devoted his whole working life to the airport is at post 1597.
If you have any influence on the issue, rather than some transient local civic person or "personality" to formally open it, my nomination for someone who devoted his whole working life to the airport is at post 1597.
Hopefully that's also the last we hear on the subject from LTNman.
If you have any influence on the issue, rather than some transient local civic person or "personality" to formally open it, my nomination for someone who devoted his whole working life to the airport is at post 1597.
If you have any influence on the issue, rather than some transient local civic person or "personality" to formally open it, my nomination for someone who devoted his whole working life to the airport is at post 1597.
I don't think that you are in any position to inform me of that. This maybe a "so called rumour" site but the majority of posts on pprune are actually factual rather than based on a rumour. I should imagine that 99% of the posts on here are not actually based on rumours. But then your always going to get certain individuals who thrive on rumours, I personally are not one of those
I'm not disputing stewyb, quite the contrary as he is without doubt one of best on pprune with regards to Southampton Airport in a similar fashion to TCAS FAN.
FYI.... I've been posting on pprune for over 12 years, probably more, I don't need anyone telling me that I should post elsewhere just because I appreciate the facts over persistent rumours.
I along with everyone else who has an interest in the development of Southampton Airport wants to see EasyJet expand from the airport. But the endless questions around EasyJet and when will they announce routes is like a kid in the back seat asking over and over again "are we there yet dad".
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"If you don't like it you can post elsewhere" 🤔
I don't think that you are in any position to inform me of that. This maybe a "so called rumour" site but the majority of posts on pprune are actually factual rather than based on a rumour. I should imagine that 99% of the posts on here are not actually based on rumours. But then your always going to get certain individuals who thrive on rumours, I personally are not one of those
I'm not disputing stewyb, quite the contrary as he is without doubt one of best on pprune with regards to Southampton Airport in a similar fashion to TCAS FAN.
FYI.... I've been posting on pprune for over 12 years, probably more, I don't need anyone telling me that I should post elsewhere just because I appreciate the facts over persistent rumours.
I along with everyone else who has an interest in the development of Southampton Airport wants to see EasyJet expand from the airport. But the endless questions around EasyJet and when will they announce routes is like a kid in the back seat asking over and over again "are we there yet dad".
I don't think that you are in any position to inform me of that. This maybe a "so called rumour" site but the majority of posts on pprune are actually factual rather than based on a rumour. I should imagine that 99% of the posts on here are not actually based on rumours. But then your always going to get certain individuals who thrive on rumours, I personally are not one of those
I'm not disputing stewyb, quite the contrary as he is without doubt one of best on pprune with regards to Southampton Airport in a similar fashion to TCAS FAN.
FYI.... I've been posting on pprune for over 12 years, probably more, I don't need anyone telling me that I should post elsewhere just because I appreciate the facts over persistent rumours.
I along with everyone else who has an interest in the development of Southampton Airport wants to see EasyJet expand from the airport. But the endless questions around EasyJet and when will they announce routes is like a kid in the back seat asking over and over again "are we there yet dad".
The issue with this thread is resident posters take the bait from posters from other threads who have no interest in having reasoned debate, just antagonising people. LTNman has been trolling for months now and is still getting responses. The clue is in his username guys. Either stop replying to these people or this thread will stay a constant argument.
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