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Old 7th Jul 2023, 18:57
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Some recent images of the runway extension showing good progress in the construction.



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Old 7th Jul 2023, 19:01
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Looks like tarmac and not concrete. Strange choice for a new runway extension. Tarmac on concrete yes.

More likely the photos are of resurfacing the existing runway?

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Originally Posted by LTNman
Looks like tarmac and not concrete. Strange choice for a new runway extension. Tarmac on concrete yes.

More likely the photos are of resurfacing the existing runway?
If you look at the second photo you will see vehicles and construction equipment to the left of the photo. That is the end of the actual runway with the runway extension being laid as part of the main photo.

Not sure what they are doing as I'm not in any position to comment but I'm sure others will know more.

I've said it before but it's a shame that the entire runway couldn't be resurfaced after the extension is completed and of course the construction of the belated northern taxiway.

When does "phase 2" actually commence 🤔
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Old 7th Jul 2023, 20:18
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Originally Posted by Sotonsean
If you look at the second photo you will see vehicles and construction equipment to the left of the photo. That is the end of the actual runway with the runway extension being laid as part of the main photo.

Not sure what they are doing as I'm not in any position to comment but I'm sure others will know more.

I've said it before but it's a shame that the entire runway couldn't be resurfaced after the extension is completed and of course the construction of the belated northern taxiway.

When does "phase 2" actually commence 🤔
Beware of the troll lurking on this thread.

I can possibly offer an answer to the issue of concrete.

The original runway surface is concrete, subsequently overlaid with asphalt.

I do not have any civil engineering qualifications but, having seen a similar situation at another airport that I worked at, there is apparently a constructional issue trying to join different paved surfaces, possibly related to expansion characteristics. Consequently I would speculate that the base course of the extension joins concrete to concrete, to then be overlaid with asphalt.
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Old 8th Jul 2023, 11:03
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When does "phase 2" actually commence 🤔[/QUOTE]

Haven’t heard any speculation on Phase 2 start. However, if EZY increase their flights the decision could be made sooner rather than later.

As with all LCCs EZY are going to be looking for quick turnarounds. They are not going to be impressed by delays, either to start-up clearance or sat at Hold B1, caused by the increased time needed to accommodate a backtrack of 20.
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Seeing that Easyjet can queue for a considerable amount of time at both Gatwick and Luton I don’t see it as a problem. 30 minutes to get airborne from pushback is not unheard of at Luton.
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Originally Posted by LTNman
Seeing that Easyjet can queue for a considerable amount of time at both Gatwick and Luton I don’t see it as a problem. 30 minutes to get airborne from pushback is not unheard of at Luton.
Down the road at Bournemouth there are concerns about handling the increase in pax,it seems they are going from strength to strength!
They quote that SOU cant handle 737-800 even with the extendsion!,so Im hoping the Easy come in soon rather then later as TUi and Ryanair up there game!
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Down the road at Bournemouth there are concerns about handling the increase in pax,it seems they are going from strength to strength!
They quote that SOU cant handle 737-800 even with the extension!,so I'm hoping the Easy come in soon rather then later as TUi and Ryanair up there game!

You may be pleased to relish in the news that BOH cannot cope now with 3 x 737's leaving around the same time - Next summer there maybe 5 based 737's...

Hurn cannot cope
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Nice problem to have - obviously the airlines involved are happy.
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Originally Posted by RW20
Down the road at Bournemouth there are concerns about handling the increase in pax,it seems they are going from strength to strength!
They quote that SOU cant handle 737-800 even with the extendsion!,so Im hoping the Easy come in soon rather then later as TUi and Ryanair up there game!
routes for next summer to be announced, not sure when!
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Looking forward to what could happen with the extension. Taking a simplistic view after looking at some takeoff performance data for the A320 Neo. At max takeoff weight required takeoff run is 1951 metre, with under 150 metres less than this available at SOU. Max range at max takeoff weight 3500 NM.

With TFS under 1600 NM from SOU, maybe an option? A lot of other prospective destinations close to or less than this.
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With TFS under 1600 NM from SOU, maybe an option? A lot of other prospective destinations close to or less than this.
How many fit in with EZY's swing towards "Easy Holidays"?
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Originally Posted by stewyb
routes for next summer to be announced, not sure when!
You continue to state this,but there is no evidence this will happen
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Originally Posted by TCAS FAN
Looking forward to what could happen with the extension. Taking a simplistic view after looking at some takeoff performance data for the A320Neo. At max takeoff weight required takeoff run is 1951 metre, with under 150 metres less than this available at SOU. Max range at max takeoff weight 3500 NM.

With TFS under 1600 NM from SOU, maybe an option?

A lot of other prospective destinations close to or less than this.

Thank you, your simplistic, but quite accurate summary (as always) is exactly what the SOU Ops Director announced to the Press well over 2 years ago.

This means, as he explained, opens up our little Airport for the larger Aircraft ''that currently use SOU'' (ie: the Easyjet Switzerland 186 seat A320neo) to be able to perform the longer routes with an economical Payload.

The Clearway/Obstacle (Trees issue) remains to be seen if that impacts Take Off Performance Data as you mentioned last week.

With your 'sums' noted above then it may allow almost any route, to be flown non-stop to/from SOU with the Easyjet Group's Overseas based aircraft.


TFS is sadly not an Easyjet Europe Base, but there are many of the Med and Euro Zone Airports that could be attractive at SOU, such as ALC, AGP, FAO, VCE, NCE.

Easyjet Switzerland also have large base at Basel, as well as at Geneva. Basel was always popular with the Brits.

Easyjet UK have bases at EDI GLA LPL BFS.


As discussed many times, I do not though, see an Easyjet UK SOU Base opening anytime soon.

Lunch on me if I am proved wrong lol!



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''How many fit in with EZY's swing towards "Easy Holidays?''



Well, plenty TBH,

but, here's the thing ----

Did a search on EasyJet holidays for a week in August for Austria (surely think Lakes and Mountains?) flying from LGW and BRS.

All I got was Salzburg city centre Hotel offers, no resorts.

Did the same search for Switzerland and just got Geneva city centre, again NO Resort holidays.

Plus this popped up - Sorry, we have limited holidays for your search.

So, I toddle off and search Jet2, TUI, and Inghams Holidays, and get a huge range of Resort package holidays.


This is where Easyjet cannot compete yet with the Holiday Majors.

EasyJet only launched its own Holiday arm in 2019 joining ATOL and ABTA, and as such are still new to the ''Beaches''.

They do not IMO yet have the empathy of selling Package Holidays, nor are they the 'Go To' Tour Operator for many folk.


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''Nice problem to have - obviously the airlines involved are happy''.


(Relates to BOH airport chaos newspaper report last week over short staffing)


Well, TUI Airways at BOH are not happy, nor are their passengers, nor are Ryanair's passengers.

Folk will not tolerate this for long.

As mentioned already, BOH is creaking with the extra flights this year, so we now hope that BOH Airport will address their Staff issues, especially in light of the Summer 2024 expansion.
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You continue to state this,but there is no evidence this will happen
Just as you continue to state the necessity for S24 flying by EZY. Of course there is no evidence as yet and won’t be until the airline releases route info
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My point about the swing to Easy Holidays came from looking at the list of destinations for the BHX base, which have been made available for sale via Easy Holidays before they have been put on general sale. Many of these are in Greece, Turkey, Cyprus, Egypt - how many of these are viable from an extended SOU? I agree with rog747 that an EZY base is unlikely initially, but surely a based operator must be a long term objective?

With regard to the BOH issues, having too many passengers is a nicer problem to have than too few - if you look at the success of MAN/LBA/LTN/STN/LGW, perhaps we over emphasise the airport experience. If both TUI and RYR are looking to base additional a/c they most be happy with the assurances they have received that the airport can cope?
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
My point about the swing to Easy Holidays came from looking at the list of destinations for the BHX base, which have been made available for sale via Easy Holidays before they have been put on general sale. Many of these are in Greece, Turkey, Cyprus, Egypt - how many of these are viable from an extended SOU? I agree with rog747 that an EZY base is unlikely initially, but surely a based operator must be a long term objective?

With regard to the BOH issues, having too many passengers is a nicer problem to have than too few - if you look at the success of MAN/LBA/LTN/STN/LGW, perhaps we over emphasise the airport experience. If both TUI and RYR are looking to base additional a/c they most be happy with the assurances they have received that the airport can cope?
Many thanks for your well balanced reasons, and response, cheers.

I guess I add my tuppences quite often, as the IT Package Holiday and Holiday Airline Industry was my Career from around 1971, and also that Sales and Ops from Regional UK Airports was abit of my forte too.

Of course the Holidays market has changed beyond a shadow of anything that we saw in the 1970's -> early 2000's
(around the time when the Low Cost Airline, and thedo-it-yourselfthing really took off).

Major Tour Operators that are left who still actually take whole plane charter series - >> TUI, Sunvil, Mark Warner, and maybe a couple more --
The Gambia Experience still have a weekly LGW-BJL in the winter with Titan or Enter Air, and Corsica Places do a summer charter STN to Calvi.
Inghams still have their own SKI charters, and maybe still have some Tyrol summer charters for SZG and/or INN, but I am way out of the loop on that since Flybe went under.
Verona was a very popular one for SOU and BRS charters in the summer for the Italian Lakes.
The Charter flights to Sardinia for Sardatur Holidays and Sardinian Places who are UK based Sardinia specialist tour operators of long standing and high repute are long gone.
Olympic Holidays no longer charter their own planes to Greece and the Greek Islands.

TUI Holidays, as you know, charter BACF from SOU to PMI twice weekly, and that sets to continue for S24.


Lastly,
re your comment over the recent (BOH) airport experience.

It is the very core of the ''airport experience'' that has sold Holidays for the Regional customers.
Not so the Low-Cost punters, the common denominator there is how much they can cram in for a 2 week holiday in an overstuffed carry-on bag, without having to pay for any Luggage at all.

The expansion of both TUI and Ryanair at BOH is most welcome -
But I add the caveat that BOH Management needs to get their heads around that they are no longer a little airfield up the country lane from Hurn Village with just one or two charter flights a day, sent off personally by Sir Peter Bath (All rather splendid though, happy days indeed)

When I flew from SOU on BACF a couple of times last summer to JMK and PMI (Just when we had all been let off the lead) even SOU was maxed out on the SAT and SUN early morning peaks -
BUT they managed rather well, with only 300 out of the 400 staff actually planned for, and needed overall to run the season's operations.
BACF would have a PMI JMK FAO and/or IBZ AGP and EDI and a Limoges/Bergerac.
Up to 7 EMB departures, all going out between 8am and 10am,
plus the Blue Islands, Aurigny, KLM, Loganair and Eastern flights too.


My only negative, was that the BACF's all only had one set of boarding steps ISO two -
This meant no pax boarding until the refuelling was finished - that then caused boarding delays, and missed slots.
(We missed out slot into JMK and had to sit on the ramp for almost an hour)
I fed this back to the BA Crew (who had already noted this each weekend on their flight reports) and to the SOU's Ops Director and he said he was not aware of this.
But in his favour, he did say he would take it up with the Handling Agents as a matter of importance.

Do we have 2 sets of steps on the BACF's this summer?


Best R.

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