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depends if they are subsidising the airline or not. If they're not, then other than the opening hours, about zero influence
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I don't buy the argument that Loganair are that expensive either, tbh.
The alternatives are you either drive or get the train. In which case the price and time saving offered by LM is significantly better value.
Easy might take some of the leisure travel but I'm not sure their schedule will be that attractive to those that need to go at certain times or days. If I was a betting man I wouldn't be at all surprised if those easy domestic routes don't survive in next summer's schedule. But, as others have widely predicted, there will be several flights a week to sun destinations.
The alternatives are you either drive or get the train. In which case the price and time saving offered by LM is significantly better value.
Easy might take some of the leisure travel but I'm not sure their schedule will be that attractive to those that need to go at certain times or days. If I was a betting man I wouldn't be at all surprised if those easy domestic routes don't survive in next summer's schedule. But, as others have widely predicted, there will be several flights a week to sun destinations.
SOU-GLA in November with Loganair is a minimum of £85 oneway. However, flights with a VERY similiar departure time to those with Easyjet cost just £50. Easyjet start at £35 oneway. Loganair is not offering the cheaper fare on any date before the end of October, which just happens to be when Easyjet start flying.
The difference in price is real money to many people, especially for a return of 2 adults and 2 kids going to see grandparents, who probably would otherwise travel at a much lower frequency or maybe not at all.
Driving takes 7 hours nonstop or 8+ hours allowing for breaks at motorway services. The train takes about 7 hours oneway.
There is no way an E145 can possibly match the operating cost per passenger of an A320-family aircraft, assuming an 80%+ load factor, so Loganair in general has to charge significantly higher fares.
Yes, Easyjet charge extra for all kinds of ancillaries, but many people (that includes me), particularly on short domestics for a short trip, will find a way to minimise their ancillary expenditure.
Note - I have nothing personal against Loganair. I've flown with them several times. No flight was cancelled. One flight was delayed because of a large thunderstorm on a small island. Crew have always provided a high level of service. But I just believe SOU-EDI/GLA post-Covid needs the cost benefits of LCC 150+seat aircraft service instead of the high cost of an E145
The difference in price is real money to many people, especially for a return of 2 adults and 2 kids going to see grandparents, who probably would otherwise travel at a much lower frequency or maybe not at all.
Driving takes 7 hours nonstop or 8+ hours allowing for breaks at motorway services. The train takes about 7 hours oneway.
There is no way an E145 can possibly match the operating cost per passenger of an A320-family aircraft, assuming an 80%+ load factor, so Loganair in general has to charge significantly higher fares.
Yes, Easyjet charge extra for all kinds of ancillaries, but many people (that includes me), particularly on short domestics for a short trip, will find a way to minimise their ancillary expenditure.
Note - I have nothing personal against Loganair. I've flown with them several times. No flight was cancelled. One flight was delayed because of a large thunderstorm on a small island. Crew have always provided a high level of service. But I just believe SOU-EDI/GLA post-Covid needs the cost benefits of LCC 150+seat aircraft service instead of the high cost of an E145
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But if I have to be in Glasgow any day other than a Thursday or Saturday I've go no flying option other than LM.
I just don't think easyJet's timings are particularly great for what, by and large, must be business pax?
I just don't think easyJet's timings are particularly great for what, by and large, must be business pax?
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This has and always will be the restriction that makes any potential LCC base twitchy from SOU, it has been mentioned so many times now I've actually lost count.
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Certain contributors to this thread have over the years totally ruled out EZY ever coming to SOU in any shape or form (exc GVA). Guess what it’s happened and they are clearly intent on building a future here, to the extent that sun routes will be announced shortly. Let’s wait and see with regards to any future basing but I wouldn’t rule it out at this stage!
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I think you owe everyone on here an apology for your behaviour over the years but none of us will hold our breath.
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Comparing other airports is daft. SOU has a large wealthy catchment so a completely different market to the north. They might want to fly to club 18-30 type places in Turkey, Egypt etc getting home at 4am but down this way they want to get to second homes in France and city breaks in nice old cities. Those people aren’t wanting to get home in the early hours.
The other thing most of you aren’t aware enough to realise is some bases are strategic. Jet2 are expanding across the country so whoever gets in at SOU first locks that airport up. This will also be a reason Easy are keen. It will do well to serve as a niche market accompanying a larger base at LGW. SOU are wise to realise that Easy is the best match for them rather than that Irish rabble.
SOU has a large wealthy catchment
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Because you have such a good track record of getting things right don’t you? Oh the runway will never get planning. Oh but the runway will be stopped by protesters. Oh but it will never be built. Oh but it’s going to be delayed. Oh but it’s taking such a long time. Easy will never operate from SOU. BOH is better than SOU etc etc Any excuse to be negative.
I think you owe everyone on here an apology for your behaviour over the years but none of us will hold our breath.
I think you owe everyone on here an apology for your behaviour over the years but none of us will hold our breath.
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Thank you CB, that was exactly what I was trying to add from a reality point of view, but as per usual was taken out of context with a childish reply.
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How many of BE's other routes haven't been picked up? V2 will have known more about the profitablity of the French routes than you or I, but their approach was lukewarm. PMI has been flown by many operators using a variety of aircraft over the years. 'very successful' routes don't sit without an operator for long.