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Old 1st May 2024, 09:34
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Oi. What is with you lot? Do not insult other posters. Thus far, I am deleting posts and giving warnings. be polite, we do not want this to become like other social media places. I will not say this again.
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Old 2nd May 2024, 16:13
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A bit of news for everyone who thought Loganair fares were/are too high. One high fare monopoly has been swapped for another, just with far less flights and choice at SOU to show for it.


Inspired move by AGS to encourage easyJet onto the route. Edinburgh next?
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Old 2nd May 2024, 17:03
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Total nonsense I expect Easy have a few seats left to sell at premium prices!
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Old 2nd May 2024, 17:38
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As has been mentioned on here, GLA with easyJet is selling very well so assume full load on this date with only a seat or two left and hence can sell at a premium. Prices definitely didnít start at that type of figure. And yes EDI will probably be next for this winter

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Old 2nd May 2024, 18:27
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Originally Posted by RW20
Total nonsense I expect Easy have a few seats left to sell at premium prices!
Correct, they have about 15 seats left. Plus it's the school half-term so hardly surprising that flights are busy. A selective choice by Albert trying to make a non-existant point apparently seeing as outside of the half term the prices are from £23 upwards. You'd never find anything like that from Logan.
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Old 2nd May 2024, 18:41
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Titan A321 tomorrow 1610 / 1740 STN / BRU charter
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Old 2nd May 2024, 19:47
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Originally Posted by TartinTon
Correct, they have about 15 seats left. Plus it's the school half-term so hardly surprising that flights are busy. A selective choice by Albert trying to make a non-existant point apparently seeing as outside of the half term the prices are from £23 upwards. You'd never find anything like that from Logan.
Beat me to it. The start of a school holiday was certainly an interesting choice. And as others have put, the first 49 passengers that would fill a Loganair plane would have bought their tickets at no more than £50 with Easy.

Out of interest, Iíve just checked Loganair to EDI for the same dates and itís circa £430. So £200 more than Easy! And you go on a bigger plane with Easy.

Also did a quick search for train tickets for the same dates, that will be £219. Just the 5 changes to make and 13.5 hour trip. £237 (just £18 more) on Easy isnít looking too bad is it?

Yeah, think SOU are going to be ok with Easy.
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Old 2nd May 2024, 19:52
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And you go on a bigger plane with Easy.
Having flown both, I don't think that's an advantage - and you get a Tunnocks's!
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Old 2nd May 2024, 20:12
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Old 2nd May 2024, 20:25
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KLM via Amsterdam.......£253.09 return....choice of flights and connections......AND 4 legs means FOUR of my favourite KLM cookies and free coffee.....AND.....duty free shopping. Don't think Orange.....think Blue. The earlier morning flight is brilliant for connections Europe-wide!!!!!!
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Old 2nd May 2024, 21:47
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint
Some facts to clear up some confusion:

- A direct quote from the airport was that it cannot be profitable with the likes of Loganair serving regional routes. So it needs the scale of a low cost operator as a regional the size of Flybe is unlikely ever to happen again. So letís all stop caring about bloody Loganair! They have been making hay whilst the sun-shined but are of no use to a profitable airport that want thousands using their shops, parking and facilities rather than a hundred or so. Please let this sink in as itís direct from the airport and puts any debate of a low cost operator vs a regional to bed. Itís a low cost operator or nothing in todayís world.

- Frequency and the ability to do a day trip is a nice to have but I bet you can fly Easy to Glasgow, get a hotel for the night and a meal and still have paid less than a day return on Logan. Less frequency is only going to be an issue for a very small amount of people.

- It doesnít have to be one or the other. Emerald as things stand are doing very well and are seeing growth. Having the Aer Lingus code share and brand gives them an edge. Itís the same reason why Easy could probably do AMS and KLM still stay with its world connections.

- The current rumours are that more routes will be added but from aircraft based elsewhere. Other bases have grown this way. You can still have a crew base in SOU but no aircraft based.

-Easy are now starting to rapidly add new aircraft so will now have capacity for growth.

emerald lost 21 million euros last year. They are not Ďdoing very wellí, and wont be doing it much longer at that rate
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Old 3rd May 2024, 09:01
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint

Also did a quick search for train tickets for the same dates, that will be £219. Just the 5 changes to make and 13.5 hour trip. £237 (just £18 more) on Easy isnít looking too bad is it?
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Many made this argument when people were complaining Loganair were too expensive.............

Anyway, the prices seem to be an anomaly more than a long term trend.
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Old 3rd May 2024, 10:06
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The point I was making is that it isn't all sweetness, light and low fares. They're just as able to charge high fares as any other airline - and with a monopoly on SOU/GLA from next week, are taking the opportunity. They are a business at the end of the day, so why wouldn't you. But SOU is also a business and I'd wager that the airport's income is lower from 1 x A320 carrying the same number of passengers as 4 x Embraers, so hardly helping profitability.
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Old 3rd May 2024, 10:24
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Originally Posted by Albert Hall
The point I was making is that it isn't all sweetness, light and low fares. They're just as able to charge high fares as any other airline - and with a monopoly on SOU/GLA from next week, are taking the opportunity. They are a business at the end of the day, so why wouldn't you. But SOU is also a business and I'd wager that the airport's income is lower from 1 x A320 carrying the same number of passengers as 4 x Embraers, so hardly helping profitability.
The harsh reality and fact of matter is that having easyjet jump on GLA and most likely EDI, thus LM being removed, is a price I bet the airport and its owners are willing to pay in return for an orange network/base of say 15-20 routes in the future. Economies of scale and the bigger picture etc etc
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Old 3rd May 2024, 11:19
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Originally Posted by mudcity
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Looks to be their A321 Neo. Be interesting to know how many it is able to carry from SOU.

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Having flown both, I don't think that's an advantage - and you get a Tunnocks's!
The offer of Tunnocks was a good move from Logan. Many have a weakness for those, including me

Originally Posted by Albert Hall
The point I was making is that it isn't all sweetness, light and low fares. They're just as able to charge high fares as any other airline - and with a monopoly on SOU/GLA from next week, are taking the opportunity. They are a business at the end of the day, so why wouldn't you. But SOU is also a business and I'd wager that the airport's income is lower from 1 x A320 carrying the same number of passengers as 4 x Embraers, so hardly helping profitability.
Good point in respect of less flights meaning less landing fees. The increase in passenger numbers and spends in the shops, car parking should make up for that though. Plus as another poster has said a larger portfolio of routes are an option with Easy unlike with a regional like Logan. Except for the the few airports that are lucky to have a diverse revenue stream or luck with being near oil fields etc, the way to break even today if you are predominantly a commercial ops airport is to have a low cost carrier. There are no regionals of sufficient scale to prop up airports like Flybe use to.
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Old 3rd May 2024, 11:55
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Looks to be their A321 Neo. Be interesting to know how many it is able to carry from SOU.

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Simples, if itís only going to BRU, full house if needed!
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Simples, if itís only going to BRU, full house if needed!
I have seen many Wizz A321 lift off from LTN in a very short length of runway and presumably going to destinations all over Europe. Very impressive performance for a larger aircraft.
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Old 3rd May 2024, 12:45
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Interesting to note that the Ezy to Palma last night was having performance problems, requested RW02 for departure with wind 260/7 on a dry runway with QNH 1007 and still sounding a bit unsure, needing to “check figures” before takeoff. That doesn’t bode well for everyone’s EZY expansionist fantasies.

I have an acquaintance who was planning to travel GLA-SOU for a cruise and had to rebook due to LM stopping the service - EZY prices were in excess of £800 for 3 people including baggage so she has booked the train and a hotel, still more than the LM flights cost.
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Old 3rd May 2024, 15:08
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The high ground will always be an issue at the end of 20, until your sat on the threshold its hard to appreciate how large an obstacle it is.

Shame they didn't look at EDI - BOH with RYR for the flights, very reasonable prices and times for the most part and whilst not as convenient, still much more convenient than the train.

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Old 3rd May 2024, 16:23
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Originally Posted by wanna
The high ground will always be an issue at the end of 20, until youíre sat on the threshold itís hard to appreciate how large an obstacle it is.
Iíve seen it lots of times as you describe. The point I was trying to make was this was a SOU-PMI flight in relatively benign performance conditions, almost calm winds, close to ISA conditions in the dry. Many people in this thread have suggested grand destinations for EZY (Canaries anyone?) and here they are stressing about takeoff performance limiting mass for a PMI.

Thanks for your other suggestion BTW.
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