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Old 10th Mar 2022, 18:50
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The council still can’t make a business case for the £125m T2 approach road that is masquerading as a road to a much reduced Century Park. The council are now having another attempt at gaining a grant by putting its spin doctors and consultants on overtime.

Somethings you just can’t make up. As some will know T2 and what is left of the Century Park business park will be located on a toxic waste tip that is planned to be dug out. In honour of the tip, Century Park is going to be renamed Green Horizons. Some are speculating that the new name has been decided on to celebrate the toxic gases that are going to be released.

Its new name is almost as good as Luton Rising, which is now called Luton Rising Temperatures, Luton Rising Emissions, Luton Rising Noise or Luton Rising Pollution by its opponents.

The Dart is going to be operated as a separate company owned by LRT but run by LLAOL for a £9m fee. This should mean a separate set of accounts.

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Old 10th Mar 2022, 21:45
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I know this was asked earlier in the thread, but anyone know why all aircraft have to backtrack all of a sudden? I had my first experience of it in a while a couple of days ago.
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Old 10th Mar 2022, 22:07
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Originally Posted by Dannyboy39
I know this was asked earlier in the thread, but anyone know why all aircraft have to backtrack all of a sudden? I had my first experience of it in a while a couple of days ago.
I asked a few people and no-one could give me a straight answer.
BTW Ryanair to Budapest & Burgas for S22, did I miss that announcement?
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Old 10th Mar 2022, 22:09
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It is a trial to see if departing aircraft make less noise on departure. I am guessing that a longer takeoff run might mean less thrust to get airborne.
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To encourage a lower thrust setting must be the only factor. Makes a case for a longer runway or starter strip then........Long Haul for T2 when WZZ get those 321LRs
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Old 11th Mar 2022, 05:23
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To encourage a lower thrust setting must be the only factor. Makes a case for a longer runway or starter strip then........Long Haul for T2 when WZZ get those 321LRs
Encouragement from the airport itself? During rush hour later in the summer, this is going to be very disruptive. For most routes you still are going to doing a derated takeoff even without backtracking. Especially at RWY07Ö you gain what 100m only? Operators donít exactly like doing a max power takeoff unless they really need to!
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The trial ends in May. Trials are to see what happens in the real world by collecting real world data from noise monitors. The fact that more fuel burn so more pollution will be created on the ground by this trial hasn’t been lost.
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Old 11th Mar 2022, 07:07
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Yes Burgas twice weekly. Cannot see Budapest though. Also Wizz UK doing a rugby charter from Paris to Cardiff for the Wales v France match.
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The Article I read about Budapest has been rewritten to not include Luton anymore. Could have jumped the gun or sloppy reporting.
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Old 11th Mar 2022, 21:52
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Originally Posted by LTNman
The trial ends in May. Trials are to see what happens in the real world by collecting real world data from noise monitors. The fact that more fuel burn so more pollution will be created on the ground by this trial hasnít been lost.
If they want real world then they shouldn't do it in March in the first place. Go out and do a trial in July in summer temperatures and full passenger/baggage loads. What choice the pilots of a loaded 321 or a 25 years old cargo A300 have on a 2162 m runway? Toga or toga? Rushed backtracks in peak times won't help either.
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Oh the backtrack! That add miles to the gaps required by the tower for successive arrivals. Dedicated hold may come in rather useful during peak periods.

Intersection departures are also more about the rejected take off scenario, less runway to stop. Don't see why you would always need more power to depart from the intersections, but you'll need to stop by the runway end in the event of major issue.
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Don't see why you would always need more power to depart from the intersections
Quite simple. The TORA is less from the intersections so more power required to get airborne.

At STN, It's not uncommon to see Ryanair and Jet2's on Txy L intersection departures from 04 (TORA of 2392m) running to only a few hundred meters before the 22 threshold on a de-rated takeoff. That's easily 2000m+ of runway being used there. The TORA from Txy A on 25 at LTN is only 1771m, so certainly more power needed than perhaps otherwise required.
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Originally Posted by Spanish eyes
£3000 for gas and electric, inflation high, aircraft fuel on the rise and Russia on the attack. Eastern Europeans telling me they are not planning trips home anytime soon and I now canít afford a foreign holiday. Another bad year for the airport as Europe must be heading for a recession?
You wouldn't know it today. Well busy, plentiful mix of scheduled and biz traffic.
I have said it before, let's get more concrete laid. Signature & Harrods will get it full.
Some creative ATC routing, hats of the guys, only noted one go around due to missed active exit.
Not even summer, who would work in ATC?
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Sri Lanka

Fancy Sri Lanka from Luton for less than £150 from June?
OK via one of there East European hubs then Abu Dhabi but with their track record if it goes well expect one stop will be dropped!
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Originally Posted by pabely
Fancy Sri Lanka from Luton for less than £150 from June?
OK via one of there East European hubs then Abu Dhabi but with their track record if it goes well expect one stop will be dropped!
I give the route 6 months tops... Mattala or (Colombo east) as some airlines might call it is literally in the middle of nowhere, a huge stonking airport A380 capable paid for by the chinese in an area of the country that the top man in Sri Lanka happens to come from. The airport was launched in a blaze of glory howvere fly dubai and air arabia soon dropped it. The last time I was there, there were two passengers and 27 staff that I counted. Wizz are providing a bus from Mattala to Colombo with a journey time of 3 hours on a good day !
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Old 14th Mar 2022, 19:45
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For those who are mystified by the reference to Sri Lanka, this article might help
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-b2035233.html
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Trip report Luton to Abu Dhabi

I flew Wizz Air all the way from London to Abu Dhabi — here’s why I wouldn’t do it again
https://thepointsguy.co.uk/news/wizz...bi-experience/

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I did post a little tongue in cheek. Checked in luggage for all sectors and a better flight experience might be needed long term but EZY have evolved. Perhaps more like the Play model might be needed. Won't use them myself for US, still don't like being dumped in upstate New Jersey if I want to get to Manhatten, whatever the price!
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https://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/pe...yments-3614022

Wizzair’s ground handler in financial trouble or just badly run?
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Originally Posted by LTNman
https://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/pe...yments-3614022
Wizzair’s ground handler in financial trouble or just badly run?
Have the union left the balloting a bit late ? Would calling a ballot about a week earlier have been a better idea ?
The ballot begins on 16 March and ends on 31 March (at least according to the article on Luton Today), and the union, presumably, needs to give 14 days notice to the employer, which takes one to Thursday 14 April. Good Friday (i.e. 1st day of Easter holiday period in the UK) is 15 April.
I'm guessing that the Easter rush will begin a few days before 15 April, so this might not have quite as much of an effect on Wizzair as the union would want. The only counter-reason I can think of is if employees are paid on (e.g.) the 14th of the month, hence the desire not to give the company an excuse to cancel or modify monthly payroll because of some reason to adjust the figures

Note - My question is only on the effectiveness of the union's strategy - not on whether a strike should or should not take place

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