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Old 1st Sep 2018, 13:11
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could Stobart take over the LCY ANTWEP service using VLM planes out of SEN?
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Originally Posted by mikkie4
could Stobart take over the LCY ANTWEP service using VLM planes out of SEN?
They could......
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Old 1st Sep 2018, 14:11
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Originally Posted by tophat27dt
They could......
But why would they? Wouldn't that mean adding another type..an F50.. to their AOC? Or have I missed something?
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Old 1st Sep 2018, 14:30
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Originally Posted by Planespeaking

But why would they? Wouldn't that mean adding another type..an F50.. to their AOC? Or have I missed something?
........but they won't. Whilst the old FK50s seem more reliable than some E195s, they are still old.
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Old 1st Sep 2018, 20:10
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They could always utilise the ATRs they are capable of LCY steep approaches ...
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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 07:56
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E195s G-FBEF, EH performed ok yesterday. Golf Charlie on the other hand had gremlins. Interested to see today's tech scorecard. Would be nice to see just one day where all three aircraft get through the days routes without a tech issue at all. Let's see how today unfolds.

As a side note, it must be completely frustrating as the P1/2 having to put up with the high frequency of tech issues on these aircraft. There's only so much cabin announced explanations you can prrovide to your pax in the rear and no doubt a few of them may be regulars on some of those routes. Interested to understand the load detetioration rates on routes where these three particular aircraft are being used. Surely there has got to be a harmful financial impact to Stobart and Flybe, if nothing else, both brands are being damaged.

I was at c2c station last week and overheard a small group of woman talking about Flybe services from SEN. In a nutshell, the general comments were along the lines of "yes, we've heard they are not reliable, been delays, so would use Easyjet or Ryanair instead". Whilst it's only one overheard conversation, I can imagine people know the Stobart / Flybe flights are famously jinxed with unusually high levels of aircraft technical faults causing delays and last minute cancelled flights.

Real shame they're associated with that bad rep now. Ultimately, it results in lost business to other airports as SEN work to expand. Yet the SEN management seem complacent enough to just muddle on through a year of this crazy brand damaging situation. Seems all very odd to me, a very Eurpean attitude of relaxed attitude - we're better than this!

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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 08:33
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I can imagine people know the Stobart / Flybe flights are famously jinxed with unusually high levels of aircraft technical faults causing delays and last minute cancelled flights.

Real shame they're associated with that bad rep now. Ultimately, it results in lost business to other airports as SEN work to expand.
This is a common theme on these threads - think Jet2's 'old' 737's, TCX's leased Airbusses, the Primera 757, RYR Stansted meltdowns. Any evidence that these bouts of technical difficulties do actually have any long term effect?
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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 09:45
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
This is a common theme on these threads - think Jet2's 'old' 737's, TCX's leased Airbusses, the Primera 757, RYR Stansted meltdowns. Any evidence that these bouts of technical difficulties do actually have any long term effect?
i wouldn't say it's a perception they are having an impact, I'd say they are actually having a tangible impact. Talking from our experience, it's convenient for my business to shuttle our guys in and out of flights from SEN. However, we've dropped SEN and have our guys use City or Gatwick instead. As a business we've stopped accepting any travel requests where our staff want to fly Flybe as an example. We simply refuse to buy their services now on any route at all, that's how fed up we've become with them. We definitely don't let our staff use Stansted for reasons you've alluded too cause they've been caught up in that crap before.
We spend quite a lot on staff flight needs each month. We use BA, Cityjet, Easyjet, Swiss and Aer Lingus to help us get our staff to where we got business and meetings. We've experienced terrible reliability from the Stobart / Flybe tie-up using those E195s and we've missed meetings cause of their issues. So yes, to answer your question, it translates to brand damage. Flybe won't get a single red cent from our place on any flights on their network that's for sure, same goes to Stobart, such has been their poor performance. Plenty of good service providers out there, well capable of understanding what a reliable and trusting service actually means. Enough said, we all know how utterly sh!t that JV tie up has become. Sadly, it's got to be indirectly impacting the SEN / Stobart brand visibility in some shape, form or fashion.
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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 13:06
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EF flew to Cologne on time today, but then took off one hour late on the return leg .Needed kick starting?
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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 14:03
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Originally Posted by tophat27dt
EF flew to Cologne on time today, but then took off one hour late on the return leg .Needed kick starting?
this doesn’t mean it was tech.

Could be any number of things that have delayed it. The biggest and most common reason being ATC slots.
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EI-GGC APU value issues yesterday, main ignition sequence could not be performed.

Kick start you say, wonder was it a similar tech vault to Golf Charlie yesterday.
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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 15:33
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Originally Posted by irishlad06


this doesn’t mean it was tech.

Could be any number of things that have delayed it. The biggest and most common reason being ATC slots.
I am aware of that, but when I left work three hours ago there were no ATC flow control delays through Brussels or London TMAs.
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Ladies & Gentlemen, seems FlyBE / Stobart going to hit all the numbers this year, as in the number of times those E195s have gone tech.

Echo Foxtrot was due from SEN to DUB however, unsurprisingly it's busted, knackered, again. So the DUB to SEN was due to depart at 20:40, it's delayed until 21:55 departure. Now, of course that assumes the piece of junk makes it out of DUB. FlyBE / Stobart have form cancelling this specific graveyard DUB to SEN Sunday night flight as the crew kick back in a local hotel whilst pax try to organise rebooking on any other airlines into London for tomorrow morning's first flights out in order to make work commitments.

But hey, that's all part of the course if you fly FlyBE/ Stobart - 'we'll get you from A to B at some point if our planes don't breakdown.

Looking forward to their AGM's, there'll be twist at the next ones!

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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 21:57
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You was too quick to put the boot in again. Aircraft arrived back at SEN just over an hour late. It's done better than the EZY BCN. Suggest you get a life!
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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 22:43
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Seems some folk here are uber sensitive snowflakes when it comes to pointing out bad services. Play the ball, not the man.

Late, is late.
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Old 3rd Sep 2018, 06:36
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I say steady on chaps.
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Old 3rd Sep 2018, 07:32
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Originally Posted by mik3bravo
Seems some folk here are uber sensitive snowflakes when it comes to pointing out bad services. Play the ball, not the man.
Late, is late.
With respect your obsession is starting to show and it seems a little odd that you call someone "uber sensitive" when you highlight every delay in such a sensational manner. The fact is that G-FBEF was late leaving CGN on its return to SEN on the first rotation of the day for reasons that are unknown to me and I suspect to you also.. This resulted in knock-on delays for the rest of the day's flying which is no surprise. The upshot was that the last sector of the day, DUB to SEN, arrived just under a hour late. Yes, "Late is late" but this was nothing sensational.

I've been delayed and annoyed by Flybe delays at SEN this year so I contacted the appropriate Ops Director about it and pulled no punches with my views on the subject. The reply I received must remain confidential I feel. Perhaps you might find it more satisfying to do the same yourself. The delays on the E195 routes have been totally unacceptable this summer and the service has been far from what the fare paying passenger is entitled to expect from any airline.
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Well said this Expressflight. Mik could please use the Queen's English not some German word for 'over'. Some might be led to believe it is a new taxi service!
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Apparently the SEN-MAN service will only last until the end of the first week of the New Year. A shame to see it go, but at least they have tried (or been trying).
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Originally Posted by Scottie Dog
Apparently the SEN-MAN service will only last until the end of the first week of the New Year. A shame to see it go, but at least they have tried (or been trying).
Something's going on. You launch a 3 X daily service to attract business users knowing full well it will take a significant amount of time to make a success of the route. You have demonstrated your stickability with RNS and GRQ now well established. Then you pack it in just as there are signs that maybe you were right and SEN - MAN is a viable route.

So what is going on? Does ending the Flybe franchise next year mean that Stobart are free to use their aircraft to target routes they have prevented from until now? Destinations they believe have more potential than Manchester, perhaps EDI and BHD?

​​​​​​Or have Sobart decided they have enough confidence in the future of SEN that they no longer need to support the airport's growth with their own aircraft, and will return to serving a small number of routes they have confidence in.
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