Airlines, Airports & Routes Topics about airports, routes and airline business.

Stobart Air-2

Old 28th Aug 2018, 22:18
  #201 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: U.K.
Posts: 398
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Stobart must be thanking their lucky stars that the Cityjet deal fell through. The E195 serviceability may have given Stobart grief, but that was as nothing to the problems Cityjet faced with the SSJ100 on the Brussels Airlines contract. Plus two years on Cityjet have effectively pulled out of own b rand schedule flying.. What will Cityjet do with those SSJs when they come off the Brussels contract at the end of March ?
Tagron is offline  
Old 28th Aug 2018, 22:50
  #202 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Dublin
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
ive heard a lot of stobart first officers make the leap to aer lingus, is this true and does it happen often?
Eiwings1 is offline  
Old 29th Aug 2018, 05:55
  #203 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: bishops stortford herts
Posts: 0
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
As posted on the Southend thread & from the Irish Independent...

Stobart Air pulling 2 EMB 190`s from SEN...services to Malpensa,Venice,Budapest & Prague to cease.

3rd `190 to continue SEN/DUB.
southside bobby is offline  
Old 29th Aug 2018, 06:30
  #204 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Northumberland
Posts: 7,438
Received 12 Likes on 8 Posts
Link to the Irish Independent story

Stobart to pull two Flybe jets
SWBKCB is online now  
Old 29th Aug 2018, 06:31
  #205 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: UK
Posts: 476
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by southside bobby
As posted on the Southend thread & from the Irish Independent...

Stobart Air pulling 2 EMB 190`s from SEN...services to Malpensa,Venice,Budapest & Prague to cease.

3rd `190 to continue SEN/DUB.
Ah yes, but which of the three will remain to service the SEN - DUB goldmine route? One of the two G reg'd or the one EI reg'd aircraft. They need to select the aircraft with the best maintenance performance. Judging Stobart Air's fleet management performance to date, I remain doubtful they have the potential to deliver a reliable, punctual and consistent service on that route. I could be wrong, but experience to date speaks volumes.
mik3bravo is offline  
Old 29th Aug 2018, 06:51
  #206 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: Wales
Posts: 1,316
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by mik3bravo
Ah yes, but which of the three will remain to service the SEN - DUB goldmine route? One of the two G reg'd or the one EI reg'd aircraft. They need to select the aircraft with the best maintenance performance. Judging Stobart Air's fleet management performance to date, I remain doubtful they have the potential to deliver a reliable, punctual and consistent service on that route. I could be wrong, but experience to date speaks volumes.
I'd say the Irish registered one and then lease the UK ones out. I wonder if Flybe would be interested in them or maybe Loganair?
PDXCWL45 is offline  
Old 29th Aug 2018, 07:38
  #207 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: UK
Age: 74
Posts: 2,602
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
There won't be any UK registered 195s with Stobart by that time. G-FBEF & 'H will return to Flybe once EI-GGA & 'B have been delivered over the next couple of months.
Expressflight is offline  
Old 29th Aug 2018, 07:41
  #208 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Northern Ireland
Posts: 2,759
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I am assuming SEN-DUB will continue until the end of the Winter season only. Surely continuing alongside Ryanair would amount to commercial suicide?
EI-BUD is offline  
Old 29th Aug 2018, 07:47
  #209 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Essex
Posts: 1,150
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
So just to to clear this up. Stobart will remain the ''proud' owners / custodians of three 195's, but only one of these is currently in operation with them?
DC3 Dave is offline  
Old 29th Aug 2018, 08:18
  #210 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: UK
Age: 74
Posts: 2,602
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by DC3 Dave
So just to to clear this up. Stobart will remain the ''proud' owners / custodians of three 195's, but only one of these is currently in operation with them?
The other two are not in service as they are still undergoing pre-delivery maintenance with Flybe so, yes, only one of the purchased three is in service with them currently. When delivered the other two will replace those currently leased from Flybe.
Expressflight is offline  
Old 29th Aug 2018, 08:27
  #211 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: East Midlands
Posts: 490
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by DC3 Dave
So just to to clear this up. Stobart will remain the ''proud' owners / custodians of three 195's, but only one of these is currently in operation with them?
That's correct. The other two, still ex-Flybe, are due shortly and they then too will become EI- registered. The current two G- registered (EF/EH) are currently leased from Flybe and may return to them. I say may, as obviously Flybe are also disposing of this fleet as soon as the leases are over and are all expected to have left Flybe by January 2020 - (Thankfully!)

With no extension on the Flybe / Stobart Air franchise partnership looking likely, it's going to be interesting to see how that fleet gets used. Short term ACMI and Ad-Hoc charter work may well better suit these E195s better than a "heavy" scheduled timetable.
Cazza_fly is offline  
Old 29th Aug 2018, 08:32
  #212 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Outer London
Age: 42
Posts: 541
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I would suggest the DUB route will cease and the single retained E195 would then be enough to cover the remaining routes to Cologne, Lyon and Rennes. Zadar would still be possible as well.

Its the future of the ATRs Iím interested in.

AirportPlanner1 is offline  
Old 29th Aug 2018, 08:40
  #213 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: UK
Age: 74
Posts: 2,602
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1
Its the future of the ATRs I’m interested in.

I would suggest there are three possibilities:

1) The Flybe/Stobart Air franchise is extended and the SEN ATR routes will continue to be operated as now.
2) The SEN ATR routes could operate under a different franchise banner. Possibly Aer Lingus Regional (maybe not very likely) or another UK carrier.
3) The SEN ATR routes may not operate at all after next Spring.


Expressflight is offline  
Old 29th Aug 2018, 09:16
  #214 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Leeds, UK & Cork, Ireland
Posts: 1,075
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Expressflight
I would suggest there are three possibilities:

1) The Flybe/Stobart Air franchise is extended and the SEN ATR routes will continue to be operated as now.
2) The SEN ATR routes could operate under a different franchise banner. Possibly Aer Lingus Regional (maybe not very likely) or another UK carrier.
3) The SEN ATR routes may not operate at all after next Spring.

I think flyBe is the only game in town from a franchise point of view, but given the cancellation of the IOM contract and the changes at SEN I don't think the relationship is that great. I don't think Aer Lingus Regional makes much sense on rotes from SEN to Manchester, Glasgow and even less to France. I can't see it being used on routes to Europe from SEN.
Im surprised that Stobart have decided to continue on the DUB-SEN route with the E195. Its going to be tough to compete with Ryanair on that one. It seems like Stobart find themselves in a similar position to CityJet - decent routes but the wrong brand/infrastructure to operate them with.
brian_dromey is offline  
Old 29th Aug 2018, 10:04
  #215 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: UK
Age: 74
Posts: 2,602
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I think the statement that one 195 will be retained at SEN to operate the DUB service relates only until the end of March 2019 when Ryanair commence operations at SEN. Part of the deal may be that Stobart will continue SEN-DUB until Ryanair take over, simply to maintain continuity of the route. I cannot see Stobart continuing to operate SEN-DUB after that time.
Expressflight is offline  
Old 29th Aug 2018, 10:19
  #216 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Northumberland
Posts: 7,438
Received 12 Likes on 8 Posts
SEN-DUB is one route that might make sense as an Aer Lingus Regional route - plenty of UK regional routes to Dublin where RYR and EI/EIR compete
SWBKCB is online now  
Old 29th Aug 2018, 10:30
  #217 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: earth
Posts: 920
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
BA Citiflyer have announced 4 E190's joining them. Are some coming from Stobart ?
lfc84 is offline  
Old 29th Aug 2018, 10:36
  #218 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 61
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by lfc84
BA Citiflyer have announced 4 E190's joining them. Are some coming from Stobart ?
Unlikely. The the Stobart frames are 195's. Only the 190 can operate into LCY.
Jersey32D is offline  
Old 29th Aug 2018, 10:48
  #219 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Essex
Posts: 1,150
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by SWBKCB
SEN-DUB is one route that might make sense as an Aer Lingus Regional route - plenty of UK regional routes to Dublin where RYR and EI/EIR compete
Remember FR are only offering an early morning and late afternoon weekday flight to DUB to start. So there's scope for Stobart to keep going on the route if only a midmorning service. I don't believe FR will try to wipe out Stobart on price - why should they? I'm sure Stobart will politely stand aside if FR want to increase rotations.
DC3 Dave is offline  
Old 29th Aug 2018, 13:20
  #220 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Hemel Hempstead
Posts: 1,070
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Would there be any value in Stobart working with Loganair? They have lofty ambitions in Scotland with talk of expansion and European routes. It was Loganair who were due to operate the Carlisle service, and that Saab 2000 is coming to the end of its life... Maybe some ATR's with a bit of help from Stobart might fill that gap? (Loganair also wouldn't be a terrible brand to operate from Southend anyway, especially to Scotland).
toledoashley is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information

Copyright © 2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.