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Old 6th Feb 2018, 09:54
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None of us would know the answer to that, only Stobart.
I am sure the managing director at SEN has lots of experienced input into all this.
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I think it is recognised there is little money making potential in pax ground handling.

It is probably a case of Stobart using leverage & contacts from the SEN operation with
very probably a "plan" to utilize staff between the two Essex bases & try to effect a business margin that way.

Most operators would seek handling charge reductions with a change of contract I would guess.

Outsourcing in this sector only works for the airline accountants primacy.
It has been described as a race to the bottom & provides nothing for the airlines image when problems arrive as they surely do.

Jet2 have the right methodology & are bringing it in house.
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 12:57
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It would make sense for Jet2, especially at the bases they've introduced it, wiht at least 7 based units. Stobart wouldn't have as many based units, so surely they'd just be sat around for 1/2 the day, making it very unefficient
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 13:28
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Plane.Silly...

Can you please clarify your comment(s) as I am struggling with your meaning/point.

Ta.
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 14:17
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Is STN a seven aircraft base for easyJet this year? Presumably that would generate around 40 daily movements for the new Stobart Aviation unit to handle.
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Believe Stansted should have around 7-8 aircraft based. But would also have aircraft flying into Stansted from domestic routes.
So if I understand Menzies have lost the Easyjet contract ?
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Most overlook the fact that EZY domestics BFS/GLA/EDI mainly serviced by away based a/c.
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Old 7th Feb 2018, 07:43
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Thanks for the corrections so maybe as many as 60 daily movements for the Stobart Aviation unit to handle. I would guess that gives a reasonable starting point for their STN operation which they obviously hope to develop further.
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Old 7th Feb 2018, 16:03
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Wonder if its this week or next week they announce who will be operating the Carlisle Airport flights to Southend, Belfast & Dublin.
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Old 7th Feb 2018, 19:41
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Maybe ezy are so pleased with the Southend operation. And so bored of stansteds tedious delays in getting bags off a plane, that they have both decided to take a mutual punt
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Old 7th Feb 2018, 21:36
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Don’t be so childish
This delay in baggage you talk about at Stansted can happen at SEN I can vouch for that trust me and it’s more frustrating for the passengers when you can see your aircraft and your bags sitting in the rain.

I used SEN once and once only
Flew SEN ACE SEN on our return we landed the same time as if I recall a AGP flight it was November and tipping down we waited an hour for our bags that we were told would arrive and the first reclaim and the AGP passengers stood at the other and the only info above the reclaim was train info not flight info anyway to get to the point waited in a cramped area with inadequate toilets for for 2 Easyjet Aircraft worth of passengers total wait for bags one hour for bags to arrive on wrong belts totally drenched and forgot to mention no staff other than customs officers who didn’t want to help even if they could.

Anyway it’s not like me to write posts like this but just to let you know it happens at all airports but you would think it wouldn’t at SEN when only 2 flights land and you have to get the bags a few meters.

Give me Stansted any day of the week.
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It would make sense for Jet2, especially at the bases they've introduced it, wiht at least 7 based units. Stobart wouldn't have as many based units, so surely they'd just be sat around for 1/2 the day, making it very unefficient

Can you please clarify your comment(s) as I am struggling with your meaning/point.
My suggestion was that bringing these services in house isn't the cheapest thing to do. Jet2 seem to have hit a sweet spot with their largest bases where they operate this. The more planes you have based at a particular base, the more cost effective it's percieved to be. The smallest base that Jet2 have this at is EMA, which has 7 based units, (3 x 733, 4 x 738)

I was then drawing comparison to the notion that Stobart air would have less aircraft operating to/from SEN for it to be cost effectve.
Less a/c = less efficient.
On the basis of using only based a/c, when all planes have left, the ground crew have a bit of a wait on their hands, probably to take breaks, fill paperwork etc... before the planes all come back. If somewhere down the line they include inbound a/c as well, i suppose it would make more sense, so i could still be corrected

Hopefully that makes a bit more sense
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Old 8th Feb 2018, 09:32
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Originally Posted by Plane.Silly
I was then drawing comparison to the notion that Stobart air would have less aircraft operating to/from SEN for it to be cost effectve.
Less a/c = less efficient.
Hopefully that makes a bit more sense
Seeing as we're talking about Stobart Aviation handling easyJet at STN, not Stobart Air at SEN, it might make more sense if you had written:

"I was then drawing comparison to the notion that easyJet would have fewer aircraft operating to/from STN for it to be cost effective for Stobart Aviation."
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and there we go, i've been corrected. Standing down...
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Old 8th Feb 2018, 12:51
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Plane.Silly

Can you say again all after "My suggestion was" because it's lost on me!
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Old 8th Feb 2018, 14:24
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Thought i was fairly clear on that. Apparently not.

To avoid too much repetition, If you bring ground handling in-house, it makes sense to have a decent amount of flights to operate on. In Jet2's case for LBA/MAN/STN for example, where they have umpteen based a/c, it's a no brainer, they can make that work. Then i noted that Jet2 also make it work at EMA, which is a smaller base, so even with just 7 based a/c, self handling can work.

With me so far?

Then i drew comparison to Stobarts planned operation from SEN which is only scheduled to have 4 based a/c, since 4<7, i drew the conclusion that Stobart might not be able to make it work.

If they started outsourcing their ground team to other operators (maybe to Easyjet as Expressflight suggested) as well as their own, then it might make more financial sense to do it.

Hopefully that explains it, don't think i have it in me to go another round...
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Old 8th Feb 2018, 14:44
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You seem to be under a misapprehension.

This handling discussion started because Stobart Aviation Services (a newly launched venture seeking third party handling contracts at UK airports) announced that they have been awarded the easyJet ground handling contract at STN commencing next month, yet you seem to be talking about handling at SEN.

Perhaps you don't know that Stobart have carried out all ground operations, handling and facilities management at SEN for about eight years. In a nutshell they keep everything in-house. They currently provide handling for the 7 SEN-based aircraft, which will become 9 this summer, plus all visiting aircraft. Many of their handling staff carry out other tasks apart from ground handling. Quite why you are referring to "Stobart's planned operation from SEN ........" I have no idea as it is very well established.
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Old 8th Feb 2018, 15:31
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I think he's just got the wrong end of the stick. Easily done. Happens to me all the time.

It'll be interesting to see whether Stobart Aviation Services (SAS?) can expand beyond EZY at STN.
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Old 8th Feb 2018, 15:38
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I believe the smallest Jet2 base is BFS with four planes and outsourced to swissport
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Old 8th Feb 2018, 15:43
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Credit the MAN thread...

It appears the incumbent agent for EZY at both LGW & LTN has lost the contract...

New handling agent not mentioned...
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