Stobart Air-2

[tophat27dt]

Originally Posted by southside bobby

…& another part of the empire fund & operate services from Southend of course.

Yes of course. But the other EMBs will stop operating schedules from SEN in the New Year.

[DC3 Dave]

No sign of olive branches here.


Happy Christmas
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[DC3 Dave]

Serious stuff?

​​​​​​https://news.sky.com/story/virgin-an...-deal-11604069

[EI-BUD]

With some luck the Dublin - Cardiff route will return to Aer Lingus Regional, and maybe bring the SOU route over too, though upon reflection with no early slots from Dublin available, maybe it won't happen..

[mik3bravo]

Originally Posted by DC3 Dave

Serious stuff?

​​​​​​https://news.sky.com/story/virgin-an...-deal-11604069

Someone's got to go in and sort it out at FlyBE. Clear out needed, new leadership.

[mik3bravo]

Originally Posted by EI-BUD

With some luck the Dublin - Cardiff route will return to Aer Lingus Regional, and maybe bring the SOU route over too, though upon reflection with no early slots from Dublin available, maybe it won't happen..

Two things sprung to mind:

1. if FlyBE get those E195's sorted out and address the recurring faults on that Dublin route then they'll be strongly positioned on that route before Ryanair begin running their SEN - DUB service in April

2. Not sure Ryanair will achieve strong loads on that SEN - DUB route, B737 seems a lot of seats to try fill. The FlyBE E195 on that route struggle to fill lately, but probably because people shifted over to alternative options due to the faults and unreliability of the E195s on that route

Either way, it's clear to me that more competition is great for consumers, more options, more price competition AND more importantly, creating local employment in the Southend area.

[PDXCWL45]

Originally Posted by EI-BUD

With some luck the Dublin - Cardiff route will return to Aer Lingus Regional, and maybe bring the SOU route over too, though upon reflection with no early slots from Dublin available, maybe it won't happen..

I can't see Flybe giving up the Dublin route from Cardiff. It's one of their busiest routes and it's one they have been steadingly increasing as it will be 15 weekly for Summer 2019. I also think there isn't enough connecting traffic to the USA they'd have to rely on point to point and do they want that? Cardiff has KLM which is 3 daily and their USA offerings and also CDG at next year 11 weekly and Heathrow down the road and from my personal experience the transit experience on the way out at Dublin isn't as good as AMS and negates the pre-clearance advantage in my view. On the way back it's fine but on the way out i had to go through 2 security checkpoints which i found to be a hassle.
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[22/04]

1. if FlyBE get those E195's sorted out and address the recurring faults on that Dublin route then they'll be strongly positioned on that route before Ryanair begin running their SEN - DUB service in April

Ryanair will kill them dead-their fares will be irresistible-anyway that is what they normally do. As for the 737 being too big - RYR don't seem to mind too much if the rest of what they are doing works- the FR341 ex DUB to LTN at 10 p.m. is often less than full. don't know what the timings are at SEN.

[DC3 Dave]

There is absolutely no way Stobart will compete with FR to Dublin. Handing that route over in April after keeping it warm was a major part of the deal.

It's possible Stobart could operate an early pm flight, but again if it proved popular they would stand aside as soon as they were asked to do so.

[SARF]

Sen Dublin on that schedule will be a big seller for Ryan air

[mik3bravo]

Originally Posted by SARF

Sen Dublin on that schedule will be a big seller for Ryan air

They're LGW, LTN, STN to DUB services are generally choca block stuffed so I think when people from around the general SEN catchment area learn you can hit DUB from SEN, then they'll likely select to fly from SEN over LGW or STN (or remotely, the LTN option too). I think you're right.

Similarly when folks in DUB learn you can land in SEN with none of the fuss you got to deal with at STN or LGW, plus be in Liverpool St in under the hour, I think it will work out fine for FR.

[compton3bravo]

I don't think SEN has too much to worry about the LTN-Dublin route. Most pax are from around Bedfordshire/MK area,; Luton itself has a large Irish community and the North London area around Kilburn has also a large Irish community. Some overlap maybe with Stansted and you also have LCY if you want to pay a little more plus many more rotations.

[DND delivery]

Stobart Air is to operate flights for KLM Cityhopper this coming summer. KLM Cityhopper and Stobart Air have entered into a wetlease agreement, to be carried out with an E195. Stobart will operate 8 flights a day from Dublin.

[brian_dromey]

Originally Posted by DND delivery

Stobart Air is to operate flights for KLM Cityhopper this coming summer. KLM Cityhopper and Stobart Air have entered into a wetlease agreement, to be carried out with an E195. Stobart will operate 8 flights a day from Dublin.

Sounds like thats both E-195s accounted for? Or are they operating 4 return flights?

[DND delivery]

I think it's 4 return flights, however I'm not entirely sure about that. Also I wouldn't be surprised if KLM end up using the wetlease on other routes as well, as they did with Carpatair last year.

[fatmed]

Would this be the VS/AF/KLM tie up working with the VS/Stobart tie up bearing some fruit already ?

[brian_dromey]

Originally Posted by fatmed

Would this be the VS/AF/KLM tie up working with the VS/Stobart tie up bearing some fruit already ?

I wouldn’t have thought so. Stobart have been looking to place the 195s for several months. Negotiations would take weeks rather than days, I suspect.

[Robert-Ryan]

It looks nailed on that Durham Tees Valley Airport is to be nationalised on Thursday, with Stobart the strongly rumoured new operator. How close are Stobart Aviation Group with Stobart Air? I would imagine one would bring the other with it?

[fjencl]

You never know, for all we know, Stobart could also end up doing wet lease on the Durham Tees Valley Airport to Amsterdam flights.

[SWBKCB]

It didn't at Carlisle. I suppose it depends on how much money they have to spend.

At Carlisle they've managed to build themselves a new warehouse and office building in green belt land, re-built the runway but treated the resident operators abysmally and haven't actually provided the promised airline services.

At Southend they spent big (very big!) and have attracted some big name operators, but in one of the bigggest, most capacity constrained aviation markets in the world.

Which example will most reflect the MME experience? Be interesting to see if the nature of the deal struck by the mayor is made public.

Given the need to keep SEN expanding, get CAX up and running, deal with the Tinkler case, be involved in the Flybe venture, there's never going to be a dull moment in Stobart Towers!