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There appears to be changes afoot for Saudia in the Winter schedule.
A new flight number SV199/198 has now appeared in our system operating 4 weekly on Mon/Tue/Thu/Sat. However the existing SV123/124 is still showing on Tue/Thu/Sun as well
A new flight number SV199/198 has now appeared in our system operating 4 weekly on Mon/Tue/Thu/Sat. However the existing SV123/124 is still showing on Tue/Thu/Sun as well
GDS has just updated but continues to only show SV123/124 flights, so, will be interesting to see what happens.
GDS has just updated but continues to only show SV123/124 flights, so, will be interesting to see what happens.
Today's Airline Route update states the Saudia flights for the winter are remaining as SV123/124 and at 3 weekly, but operating on Tue/Thu/Sat instead of Tue/Thu/Sun. Also the Thu service will be on a 2-class 772 from 18Dec - 31Jan. This matches what Saudia's own website is now showing, so seems to be the most likely outcome.
Today's Airline Route update states the Saudia flights for the winter are remaining as SV123/124 and at 3 weekly, but operating on Tue/Thu/Sat instead of Tue/Thu/Sun. Also the Thu service will be on a 2-class 772 from 18Dec - 31Jan. This matches what Saudia's own website is now showing, so seems to be the most likely outcome.
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Logahu,
Noticed this today perhaps might explain some slight Thurs changes to 2 class machines ?
Saudia has updated planned operational schedule for Jeddah – Manchester service on/after 26OCT14. The airline will continue to offer 3 weekly flights on board 3-class Boeing 777-200ER aircraft. However, from 18DEC14 to 31JAN15, Thursdays flight sees 2-class aircraft operating with no First Class service.
SV123 JED0430 – 0815MAN 77L 26
SV123 JED0430 – 0815MAN 772 4
SV124 MAN1200 – 2100JED 77L 26
SV124 MAN1200 – 2100JED 772 4
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Noticed this today perhaps might explain some slight Thurs changes to 2 class machines ?
Saudia has updated planned operational schedule for Jeddah – Manchester service on/after 26OCT14. The airline will continue to offer 3 weekly flights on board 3-class Boeing 777-200ER aircraft. However, from 18DEC14 to 31JAN15, Thursdays flight sees 2-class aircraft operating with no First Class service.
SV123 JED0430 – 0815MAN 77L 26
SV123 JED0430 – 0815MAN 772 4
SV124 MAN1200 – 2100JED 77L 26
SV124 MAN1200 – 2100JED 772 4
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MAN will need over 10% in 2015 to hit 25m pax
1991 10,463,682 1992 12,051,560 1993 13,099,080 1994 14,569,665 1995 14,750,928 1996 14,659,803 1997 15,946,986 1998 17,351,162 1999 17,577,773 2000 18,566,209 2001 19,307,011 2002 18,809,360 2003 19,699,256 2004 21,249,841 2005 22,402,856 2006 22,442,855 2007 22,112,625 2008 21,219,195 2009 18,724,889 2010 17,759,015 2011 18,881,788 2012 19,732,444 2013 20,751,581
2014 22,000,000 ?
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EasyJet Fleet Allocation
I suspect that EasyJet's rate of expansion at MAN is heavily influenced by factors wholly unrelated to the performance of this airport. The lengthy dispute between EZY management and major shareholder Stelios (and family) resulted in a long delay in placing an order for new aircraft. Whilst an order is now in place, delivery dates are further out than might have originally been the case.
On top of this, EZY has understandably taken advantage of unanticipated opportunities to expand at its core bases. The chance to acquire a large block of scarce LGW slots from FlyBe … the chance to capitalise on Alitalia's troubles … EZY had to react to these. But the aircraft required to take advantage of these short-notice opportunities have to come from somewhere, and the delivery situation means that units must be sourced from existing bases.
So far, MAN has been fortunate that the base here has grown to eight units and no aircraft have been withdrawn and reallocated. EZY closed at EMA and has reduced its fleet at bases including NCL, LPL, BFS and STN. In most cases, the airport 'locals' despair that their airport appears to be doing badly. The reality is simply that those scarce aircraft must be deployed where they will generate maximum profit in the long-term. And that means that those 'use-it-or-lose-it' LGW slots must be quickly grabbed and occupied.
Against this backdrop, slower-than-anticipated expansion at MAN must not be viewed as some sort of local failure. Any additional aircraft availability will be allocated according to EZY's internal company priorities … MAN is on the list but (I guess) not at the top of it! Keep the fingers crossed that MAN can keep hold of its existing based fleet of eight EZY units. That is a good result at this point. Appreciate any additional expansion which does come our way in the short-term. Then look for further fleet expansion once new aircraft deliveries pick up (barring the effects of any merger and acquisition activity in the meantime).
On a similar note, RYR faces a comparable problem for very different reasons. The company endured a lengthy stand-off with Boeing when negotiating for additional B738's on terms acceptable to both parties. Again, an order is now in place but a delivery hiatus has resulted. This will affect the rate of expansion at bases across the company. Units will be transferred to where the company foresees the best profit opportunities going forward. Some airports will lose based aircraft ("But … but … they were always full!!!!") in favour of the company's identified priorities until deliveries pick up again.
On top of this, EZY has understandably taken advantage of unanticipated opportunities to expand at its core bases. The chance to acquire a large block of scarce LGW slots from FlyBe … the chance to capitalise on Alitalia's troubles … EZY had to react to these. But the aircraft required to take advantage of these short-notice opportunities have to come from somewhere, and the delivery situation means that units must be sourced from existing bases.
So far, MAN has been fortunate that the base here has grown to eight units and no aircraft have been withdrawn and reallocated. EZY closed at EMA and has reduced its fleet at bases including NCL, LPL, BFS and STN. In most cases, the airport 'locals' despair that their airport appears to be doing badly. The reality is simply that those scarce aircraft must be deployed where they will generate maximum profit in the long-term. And that means that those 'use-it-or-lose-it' LGW slots must be quickly grabbed and occupied.
Against this backdrop, slower-than-anticipated expansion at MAN must not be viewed as some sort of local failure. Any additional aircraft availability will be allocated according to EZY's internal company priorities … MAN is on the list but (I guess) not at the top of it! Keep the fingers crossed that MAN can keep hold of its existing based fleet of eight EZY units. That is a good result at this point. Appreciate any additional expansion which does come our way in the short-term. Then look for further fleet expansion once new aircraft deliveries pick up (barring the effects of any merger and acquisition activity in the meantime).
On a similar note, RYR faces a comparable problem for very different reasons. The company endured a lengthy stand-off with Boeing when negotiating for additional B738's on terms acceptable to both parties. Again, an order is now in place but a delivery hiatus has resulted. This will affect the rate of expansion at bases across the company. Units will be transferred to where the company foresees the best profit opportunities going forward. Some airports will lose based aircraft ("But … but … they were always full!!!!") in favour of the company's identified priorities until deliveries pick up again.
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Re EZY "slower-than-anticipated expansion at MAN must not be viewed as some sort of local failure".
Possibly not but it was only Nov that EZY said.....
"Manchester had been its best performing hub over the past financial year, with passenger numbers soaring 16 per cent to 3.4 million"
If that is the case and we really are "that good"....
it would surely be nice to "divert" some aircraft or at least more routes to our operation ........in tandem with the opportunities at Gatwick !
If anybody has a complete net rundown of new routes , increased frequencies and cutbacks since, then it would make interesting reading !
In other news the Daily Bugle today suggested that Manchester as a City is thee most name checked City in Westminster and before the snipers come out most comments appear to be positive
Manchester the most mentioned of any English city in Parliament - Manchester Evening News
However given the continuing ignorance expressed by "Visit Britain" to the UKs second most popular City for tourism, some moves here would dramatically effect Manchester throughput ....
AND the red tape that Egyptair "appear" to be mired in, maybe Manchester Airport could drop them an email !
This is just TWO interventions that WOULD make a difference ....alternatively we could just sit on our hands !
Possibly not but it was only Nov that EZY said.....
"Manchester had been its best performing hub over the past financial year, with passenger numbers soaring 16 per cent to 3.4 million"
If that is the case and we really are "that good"....
it would surely be nice to "divert" some aircraft or at least more routes to our operation ........in tandem with the opportunities at Gatwick !
If anybody has a complete net rundown of new routes , increased frequencies and cutbacks since, then it would make interesting reading !
In other news the Daily Bugle today suggested that Manchester as a City is thee most name checked City in Westminster and before the snipers come out most comments appear to be positive
Manchester the most mentioned of any English city in Parliament - Manchester Evening News
However given the continuing ignorance expressed by "Visit Britain" to the UKs second most popular City for tourism, some moves here would dramatically effect Manchester throughput ....
AND the red tape that Egyptair "appear" to be mired in, maybe Manchester Airport could drop them an email !
This is just TWO interventions that WOULD make a difference ....alternatively we could just sit on our hands !
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Why bother with any aircraft at all? Departed Manchester T2 yesterday and couldn't find the gates without walking through the extensive and intermidable shopping mall. MAG should be able to earn a pretty penny from these high end retail outlets (and no I'm not talking about WHSmith!).
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I am sorry, but we have had this before, it is hardly a trial to walk through the shopping area into the departure lounge in T2. As for can't find the gates I am speechless.
I regularly use T2 and rarely if ever shop and it takes a couple of minutes to walk through.
Finally there are a long list of airports that use the same, walk through the duty free area to get to the gate style, Manchester is far from alone.
I regularly use T2 and rarely if ever shop and it takes a couple of minutes to walk through.
Finally there are a long list of airports that use the same, walk through the duty free area to get to the gate style, Manchester is far from alone.
it is hardly a trial to walk through the shopping area into the departure lounge in T2. As for can't find the gates I am speechless.
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This sort of thing is infuriating
Concern over rail shake-up for Lakes Line (From The Westmorland Gazette)
It follows on from similar reports about scrapping trains direct trains from Humberside.
Anybody following Manchester on twitter will no doubt have noticed the puerile games emanating from our illustrious twits.......
"Where is Di Maria"
Rather than playing silly games on twitter would the airport not be better using its energy to support campaigns of this nature ?
Not only do passengers come from these regions they do actually go in the other direction, there seems to be an obsession with passengers from Manchester flying OUT but total ignorance of those flying IN ...
A direct link from the airport to The Lake District one of thee best tourist attractions in Europe would seem seems absolutely vital to me ............
Concern over rail shake-up for Lakes Line (From The Westmorland Gazette)
It follows on from similar reports about scrapping trains direct trains from Humberside.
Anybody following Manchester on twitter will no doubt have noticed the puerile games emanating from our illustrious twits.......
"Where is Di Maria"
Rather than playing silly games on twitter would the airport not be better using its energy to support campaigns of this nature ?
Not only do passengers come from these regions they do actually go in the other direction, there seems to be an obsession with passengers from Manchester flying OUT but total ignorance of those flying IN ...
A direct link from the airport to The Lake District one of thee best tourist attractions in Europe would seem seems absolutely vital to me ............
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This sort of thing is infuriating
Concern over rail shake-up for Lakes Line (From The Westmorland Gazette)
It follows on from similar reports about scrapping direct trains from Humberside.
Anybody following Manchester Airport on twitter the last 36 hours will no doubt have noticed the puerile games emanating from our illustrious twitters or as I prefer to describe them "The Twits".
"Where is Di Maria"
Rather than just playing silly games on twitter would the airport not be better canvassing support from influential groups and focusing its energy to support campaigns of this nature ?
Campaigns that might actually put bums on seats (see above).
Not only do passengers come from these regions they do actually go in the other direction, there seems to be an obsession with passengers from Manchester (The City), flying OUT but total ignorance of those flying IN ...
A direct link from the airport to The Lake District one of thee best tourist attractions in Europe would seem absolutely vital to me ............AND one worth fighting for !
Sometimes they just seem clueless about issues relating to the airport !
Ps ...where are all those opinion makers re "OneNorth" and transport investment, the noise is deafening!
Concern over rail shake-up for Lakes Line (From The Westmorland Gazette)
It follows on from similar reports about scrapping direct trains from Humberside.
Anybody following Manchester Airport on twitter the last 36 hours will no doubt have noticed the puerile games emanating from our illustrious twitters or as I prefer to describe them "The Twits".
"Where is Di Maria"
Rather than just playing silly games on twitter would the airport not be better canvassing support from influential groups and focusing its energy to support campaigns of this nature ?
Campaigns that might actually put bums on seats (see above).
Not only do passengers come from these regions they do actually go in the other direction, there seems to be an obsession with passengers from Manchester (The City), flying OUT but total ignorance of those flying IN ...
A direct link from the airport to The Lake District one of thee best tourist attractions in Europe would seem absolutely vital to me ............AND one worth fighting for !
Sometimes they just seem clueless about issues relating to the airport !
Ps ...where are all those opinion makers re "OneNorth" and transport investment, the noise is deafening!
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Bagso,
Im sorry that this is going to come across as rather blunt but.....
You are not happy with the way MAN are using social media to promote the 'right thing', we get it.
In the nicest way I can word it, would your frustrations and energy not be best focused on MAN itself, instead of an anonymous internet forum where your half page rants are unlikely to change anything?
Like I say, I am sorry to come across the way I do, its just you seem to be covering similar ground each time, with just a slight tweak on the actual subject matter, and with the best will in the world Bagso, you are preaching to the wrong people.
If you are so passionate about change, direct it at the right people and that change may have a better chance of that change happening.
(or, as seen as social media is such a sore point, why not fight fire with fire and use social media to promote services at MAN and pester MAN to re-tweet noteworthy news?)
Im sorry that this is going to come across as rather blunt but.....
You are not happy with the way MAN are using social media to promote the 'right thing', we get it.
In the nicest way I can word it, would your frustrations and energy not be best focused on MAN itself, instead of an anonymous internet forum where your half page rants are unlikely to change anything?
Like I say, I am sorry to come across the way I do, its just you seem to be covering similar ground each time, with just a slight tweak on the actual subject matter, and with the best will in the world Bagso, you are preaching to the wrong people.
If you are so passionate about change, direct it at the right people and that change may have a better chance of that change happening.
(or, as seen as social media is such a sore point, why not fight fire with fire and use social media to promote services at MAN and pester MAN to re-tweet noteworthy news?)
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NATS hold onto MAG Airports at MAN and STN after the recent loss of both LGW and BHX.
MAG and NATS announces ten year deal
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Skip, thanks for that information and link. I was wondering when the MAN contract for air traffic services was due for renewal after the recent news from LGW and BHX. Those that listen to ATC will continue to hear some familiar voices.
LAX, I would be surprised if Bagso doesn't air his views to those more directly involved. Irrespective of the media aspect, there is a valid point about train services to the airport. Work on the 4th heavy rail platform at the station is advancing at a fair pace now and my understanding was that its purpose was to provide a more efficient operation of trains and to enable more services to the airport. While some of the extra trains would hopefully be to the south, I thought it would also lead to additional services to Piccadilly and beyond, given the work on the so called 'Hub' and the Ordsall curve (edit: should be 'Ordsall Chord') designed to give a better flow through Piccadilly. It seems strange therefore that at a time when improved connectivity to MAN is forecast, direct train services to Hull and the Lake District may be cut. Yes, passengers can change trains, but it's not much fun if you've lots of luggage and it can be a hassle for the elderly or disabled, plus the worry (as with airports) of missing connections especially if tickets are only valid for a specified train.
My own observations are that most trains (not always the local ones) are now well used to the airport and I suppose the changes arguably might lead to more trains to say Leeds or Preston, even if Hull (edit: should be Cleethorpes), Windermere and Barrow lose their direct services.
Anyway LAX, have you any good rumours? We seem to be starved of positive stories just at the moment? Maybe September and the end of the holidays will bring about a change.
LAX, I would be surprised if Bagso doesn't air his views to those more directly involved. Irrespective of the media aspect, there is a valid point about train services to the airport. Work on the 4th heavy rail platform at the station is advancing at a fair pace now and my understanding was that its purpose was to provide a more efficient operation of trains and to enable more services to the airport. While some of the extra trains would hopefully be to the south, I thought it would also lead to additional services to Piccadilly and beyond, given the work on the so called 'Hub' and the Ordsall curve (edit: should be 'Ordsall Chord') designed to give a better flow through Piccadilly. It seems strange therefore that at a time when improved connectivity to MAN is forecast, direct train services to Hull and the Lake District may be cut. Yes, passengers can change trains, but it's not much fun if you've lots of luggage and it can be a hassle for the elderly or disabled, plus the worry (as with airports) of missing connections especially if tickets are only valid for a specified train.
My own observations are that most trains (not always the local ones) are now well used to the airport and I suppose the changes arguably might lead to more trains to say Leeds or Preston, even if Hull (edit: should be Cleethorpes), Windermere and Barrow lose their direct services.
Anyway LAX, have you any good rumours? We seem to be starved of positive stories just at the moment? Maybe September and the end of the holidays will bring about a change.
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I take your point Lax but not everyone is as informed as yourself.
Cancellation of the a direct train service from both The Lake District and indeed Humberside may not exactly set the juices flowing but it is relevant. I'm sure I also read somewhere that some NEast services are facing reduction.
I'm sure we all want connections extended..... not reduced !
Equally relevant (at least in my view) are the airports thoughts/comments (or not as the case may be) on issues that in my view do clearly effect them and the wider region.
In years gone by this was not the case, prior to the internet many opinion makers were very vocal, it "usually" resulted in a positive reverse !
Other than occasional missives thru the M E N there are very few opportunities to canvass opinion on exactly what the airport managers think on this and other issues !
Of course they are not obliged to reference every point simply because "a few spotters" have an opinion, note - I am not so naive to believe they have to respond to every armchair comment, but I personally would hate those same Airport Managers to "move on" a few years down the line without doing their absolute damndest to make sure they do everything they possibly can to make the place a success whilst they are in its current employ !
Their thoughts on retaining train services, retaining routes Eg Egytptair and indeed their thoughts on infrastructure planning would therefore be of real interest !
There may be much paddling below the surface ,
They may not wish to disclose "their hand
I understand and get all that but it would be good to get an occasional opinion !
Thee ONLY medium which is updated on a regular basis is twitter, but not everyone who is on here is on there , so again my last posting was very much an attempt not to "rant" but to inform and indeed try and place in context what "they" themselves are actually saying whilst other issues seemingly are not getting any airplay!
I shall however try and refrain from mentioning that horrible word "tweet" again
AND yes I do ask them DIRECT. the responses are how shall we say "off piste" .
Cancellation of the a direct train service from both The Lake District and indeed Humberside may not exactly set the juices flowing but it is relevant. I'm sure I also read somewhere that some NEast services are facing reduction.
I'm sure we all want connections extended..... not reduced !
Equally relevant (at least in my view) are the airports thoughts/comments (or not as the case may be) on issues that in my view do clearly effect them and the wider region.
In years gone by this was not the case, prior to the internet many opinion makers were very vocal, it "usually" resulted in a positive reverse !
Other than occasional missives thru the M E N there are very few opportunities to canvass opinion on exactly what the airport managers think on this and other issues !
Of course they are not obliged to reference every point simply because "a few spotters" have an opinion, note - I am not so naive to believe they have to respond to every armchair comment, but I personally would hate those same Airport Managers to "move on" a few years down the line without doing their absolute damndest to make sure they do everything they possibly can to make the place a success whilst they are in its current employ !
Their thoughts on retaining train services, retaining routes Eg Egytptair and indeed their thoughts on infrastructure planning would therefore be of real interest !
There may be much paddling below the surface ,
They may not wish to disclose "their hand
I understand and get all that but it would be good to get an occasional opinion !
Thee ONLY medium which is updated on a regular basis is twitter, but not everyone who is on here is on there , so again my last posting was very much an attempt not to "rant" but to inform and indeed try and place in context what "they" themselves are actually saying whilst other issues seemingly are not getting any airplay!
I shall however try and refrain from mentioning that horrible word "tweet" again
AND yes I do ask them DIRECT. the responses are how shall we say "off piste" .
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Bagso,
I think you have mis-understood what I was saying.
I was not bemoaning the content, but more the frequency, repetitiveness and choice of outlet to which these rants come.
Yes, they are issues, but sustained posts on this particular site are not going to change that.
MANFOD,
While there is a lack of news at this particular time, little snippets of good news rarely generate much discussion, but, negative news gets posted and by god do we know about it, followed by pages of self pity. (for example Summer 2015 is still 7 months away with airlines schedules far from finalised, but the doom and gloom is already at the forefront of some peoples minds!)
Im not saying we should ignore and cover up bad news, but by god, can we not celebrate the success we do have, as its like slit-wrist central on a few forums at the moment!
I think you have mis-understood what I was saying.
I was not bemoaning the content, but more the frequency, repetitiveness and choice of outlet to which these rants come.
Yes, they are issues, but sustained posts on this particular site are not going to change that.
MANFOD,
While there is a lack of news at this particular time, little snippets of good news rarely generate much discussion, but, negative news gets posted and by god do we know about it, followed by pages of self pity. (for example Summer 2015 is still 7 months away with airlines schedules far from finalised, but the doom and gloom is already at the forefront of some peoples minds!)
Im not saying we should ignore and cover up bad news, but by god, can we not celebrate the success we do have, as its like slit-wrist central on a few forums at the moment!
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There is a delegation from Hainan Airlines in Manchester this week. Having met with them this morning they are "confident" in introducing a Manchester - Beijing route from late Spring, early Summer 2015. Operating a A330 4 x weekly, 186Y and initially 36J.
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Well, there you go LAX, Manchesterbound has produced a good news story with hopefully a positive outcome.
As to your point about too much doom and gloom on various forums, I think it's important to get a balance. The present growth at MAN of 6.2% in July was excellent and I suspect the summer has been better than even MAN targeted. However, looking towards winter, it has to be said that MAN's TATL schedules are disappointing even if the cuts can be rationalised due to maintenance etc. On the other hand, CX starting is a great boost and Ryanair's additional services are very welcome. Swings and roundabouts for the winter maybe.
As to summer 2015, I acknowledge that some of us may have been ultra cautious based on schedules currently loaded for some airlines and hopefully the final picture will be much brighter. Certainly MAN seem confident about continuing growth.
Do you happen to know if discussions are still ongoing with airlines regarding the possible major redevelopment of T1/T3? It must be a giant headache as to how to maintain operations, particularly if growth in passenger numbers and flights continue in the meantime.
As to your point about too much doom and gloom on various forums, I think it's important to get a balance. The present growth at MAN of 6.2% in July was excellent and I suspect the summer has been better than even MAN targeted. However, looking towards winter, it has to be said that MAN's TATL schedules are disappointing even if the cuts can be rationalised due to maintenance etc. On the other hand, CX starting is a great boost and Ryanair's additional services are very welcome. Swings and roundabouts for the winter maybe.
As to summer 2015, I acknowledge that some of us may have been ultra cautious based on schedules currently loaded for some airlines and hopefully the final picture will be much brighter. Certainly MAN seem confident about continuing growth.
Do you happen to know if discussions are still ongoing with airlines regarding the possible major redevelopment of T1/T3? It must be a giant headache as to how to maintain operations, particularly if growth in passenger numbers and flights continue in the meantime.