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From what I understand demand for cargo has been dropping for a while - no doubt due in part to the increase in capacity to the middle east. CX have reached the point where dedicated freighter service is no longer viable so running a pax flight and tapping into the demand for HKG and China means they have the best of both worlds - but the seven month delay between the services could mean that CX will have to claw back their custom from their competitors.
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Trust me us Cargo agents aren't choosy, CX as spanners said have finally woken up to the fact their cargo rates were too high. The thing about freight is it doesn't care where it flies from. OK that is an over simplistic view as there are factors to take into account such as urgency. However CX will attract freight below decks from December, if their pricing is competitive, but even if it is not then it will attract premium cargo.
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All interesting thougts, thanks.
Will also be interesting to see what happens if CX go daily with regards to stand, most the wide-bodies are now in the morning and stands are quite short at times, a few days back I think there were 3 wides parked remote due to lack of stands at the terminal (at least so I was told).
Will also be interesting to see what happens if CX go daily with regards to stand, most the wide-bodies are now in the morning and stands are quite short at times, a few days back I think there were 3 wides parked remote due to lack of stands at the terminal (at least so I was told).
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They usually remote park a Thomson or a Monarch before bussing a long haul heavy, if they're not doing that, that's a rookie mistake in terms of international reputation. Like the year Virgin decided not to pay for an airbridge......
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Good news re Cathay certainly helped by the wealth of initial and indeed ongoing publicity / marketing !
(If only we had equal emphasis on the other new long haul services which have been launched !).
With United now doing Edinburgh Chicago and Aer Lingus, San Francisco, MAN is not just up against London and European hubs but is also getting squeezed by competition that did not exist back in the day.
(If only we had equal emphasis on the other new long haul services which have been launched !).
With United now doing Edinburgh Chicago and Aer Lingus, San Francisco, MAN is not just up against London and European hubs but is also getting squeezed by competition that did not exist back in the day.
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Can we just analyze the 'Dublin threat' from a reality perspective rather than hysteria.
Have you ever tried it Bagso? If you had you would not think of it as such a threat - I did it a couple of years ago and thought it was awful but more recently I flew to the States on an expensive J Class ticket from MAN. My partner wanted to join me but found that the cheapest Economy ticket was £1000 from MAN so she booked a flight with Lingus from DUB for £600 or so.
When we met up Stateside she described the experience as 'terrible', and said she would never do it again, just as I had warned.
The much lauded 'pre-clearance' means having to go through security twice, once for the DUB authorities and once for the US authorities. Once through the virtual border, as she said, there is absolutely nothing to do but be corralled in a crowded Ryanair style holding area with no shops.
Apart from the ceding of UK sovereign territory to the US in order to do the pre-clearance, why would an airport like MAN (or any other) want to get its US bound passengers away from the shops as quickly as possible? since that is exactly what happens - people freak out at the prospect of long queues and missing their flights so they go as quickly as possible to the pre-clearance channel.
Not good business for the airport.
As for the EI transatlantic experience, well, no more needs to be said if you've done it yourself.
No, I wouldn't lose much sleep over the Dublin 'threat' as you see it. But good luck to them.
Have you ever tried it Bagso? If you had you would not think of it as such a threat - I did it a couple of years ago and thought it was awful but more recently I flew to the States on an expensive J Class ticket from MAN. My partner wanted to join me but found that the cheapest Economy ticket was £1000 from MAN so she booked a flight with Lingus from DUB for £600 or so.
When we met up Stateside she described the experience as 'terrible', and said she would never do it again, just as I had warned.
The much lauded 'pre-clearance' means having to go through security twice, once for the DUB authorities and once for the US authorities. Once through the virtual border, as she said, there is absolutely nothing to do but be corralled in a crowded Ryanair style holding area with no shops.
Apart from the ceding of UK sovereign territory to the US in order to do the pre-clearance, why would an airport like MAN (or any other) want to get its US bound passengers away from the shops as quickly as possible? since that is exactly what happens - people freak out at the prospect of long queues and missing their flights so they go as quickly as possible to the pre-clearance channel.
Not good business for the airport.
As for the EI transatlantic experience, well, no more needs to be said if you've done it yourself.
No, I wouldn't lose much sleep over the Dublin 'threat' as you see it. But good luck to them.
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You should try it again, did it 2 week ago the new expanded both space and staff have big improvement pre clearance and they make improvements to the transfer hall.
Your got a bad service however numbers transfers suggest otherwise. Don't think its a major threat however not being able to restore UA second service to EWR is more of an issue in my book and MAN always say extra capacity is needed.
Very few English people in this case would want to shop in MAN or DUB, they will be saving it for returning to the UK.
You should try it again, did it 2 week ago the new expanded both space and staff have big improvement pre clearance and they make improvements to the transfer hall.
Your got a bad service however numbers transfers suggest otherwise. Don't think its a major threat however not being able to restore UA second service to EWR is more of an issue in my book and MAN always say extra capacity is needed.
Very few English people in this case would want to shop in MAN or DUB, they will be saving it for returning to the UK.
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Interesting perspective; this was only three weeks ago but I was reporting the comments of my partner - and to her shopping was important but I guess mainly to fill the time.
To her, the whole experience was a 'never again' thing.
APD is the real menace when comparing the UK with DUB; now that does put us at a clear competitive disadvantage.
I guess it means that DUB will suck up the very price conscious end of the market.
Interesting perspective; this was only three weeks ago but I was reporting the comments of my partner - and to her shopping was important but I guess mainly to fill the time.
To her, the whole experience was a 'never again' thing.
APD is the real menace when comparing the UK with DUB; now that does put us at a clear competitive disadvantage.
I guess it means that DUB will suck up the very price conscious end of the market.
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Thanks for the advice All Names Taken, I thought (clearly on an incorrect basis) that my posting was merely a factual observation !
I will certainly recheck any further postings for signs of .........hysteria !
I will certainly recheck any further postings for signs of .........hysteria !
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I don"t think APD is a major issue as if you book a single ticket you are still being charged APD. If APD was scrapped tomorrow I don't see major change in UK long haul market just more profit for airlines but Short Haul would see best benefits as would regional airports.
I don"t think APD is a major issue as if you book a single ticket you are still being charged APD. If APD was scrapped tomorrow I don't see major change in UK long haul market just more profit for airlines but Short Haul would see best benefits as would regional airports.
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"Manchester wants expansion at LHR in order to provide connecting flights from its airports. ...."
I don't think so UNITE. ......
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"Manchester wants expansion at LHR in order to provide connecting flights from its airports. ...."
I don't think so UNITE. ......
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Well said Bagso, and why not stop BA and Virgin offering any connections via Heathrow! That'll learn them. Then anyone who was looking for a good deal in Economy subsidised my the suits on expenses will be forced to fly..... er from Dublin with Aer Lingus? Sorry I appear to have missed your point. Again.
Irish jobs for British workers? I am very confused but bagso is right. Frequency, connections and more jobs for UK based flight and cabin crew are bad. Somehow. Best to spread it around "fairly". Somehow.
Denying feed to MAN airlines using LHR won't mean they'll add capacity into MAN you know.
Irish jobs for British workers? I am very confused but bagso is right. Frequency, connections and more jobs for UK based flight and cabin crew are bad. Somehow. Best to spread it around "fairly". Somehow.
Denying feed to MAN airlines using LHR won't mean they'll add capacity into MAN you know.
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Well said Skippy.
What we really need is 12 A380 a day to LHR. Canx AA, Delta, SIA etc
Oh hang on BA have a much reduced frequency from 5 years back, Virgin already down from 4 to 3..
But fingers crossed somebody else will step in !
What we really need is 12 A380 a day to LHR. Canx AA, Delta, SIA etc
Oh hang on BA have a much reduced frequency from 5 years back, Virgin already down from 4 to 3..
But fingers crossed somebody else will step in !
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MAG's response is slightly puzzling in this case. MAN already offers connecting flights to LHR operated by two carriers. Significant expansion of frequencies on these services is unlikely following the successful WCML rail upgrade. The emergence of the beloved "I hate planes - vote for me!" tax which has slashed demand for domestic air travel also inhibits expansion prospects in the future. HS2 would further negatively impact demand for MAN-LHR. Meanwhile, STN, BOH and EMA are unlikely to offer LHR connections however many runways are constructed there.
Personally, I think there can be little argument that LHR does need an additional runway for its own reasons, though consequent benefits for MAG airports will be negligible and STN would be actively disadvantaged.
Just one other point, Skipness. In common with many 'gone native' naturalised Londoners (WOW! Am I in trouble for that!!! :-) ), you again appear seduced by the myth that only London-based jobs count as worthwhile British jobs. Not so. Long-haul services (by all carriers) from MAN support high quality BRITISH employment both directly and in the businesses attracted to our region by the availability of direct airlinks. The much maligned MEB3 (from an employment standpoint) are also big employers in the North-West. Both Etihad and Emirates operate large support call centres in the area providing BRITISH jobs which pay tax to the same exchequer as people employed at LHR. MAG itself, its sub-contractors, all the carriers which operate here (including many UK airline companies) … all are providing good jobs for BRITISH workers. Remind your colleagues that London does not have the monopoly on this. We regional types are not foreign competitors. Taxes generated by employment growth in the regions are just as useful to the exchequer as those generated by Heathrow.
Personally, I think there can be little argument that LHR does need an additional runway for its own reasons, though consequent benefits for MAG airports will be negligible and STN would be actively disadvantaged.
Just one other point, Skipness. In common with many 'gone native' naturalised Londoners (WOW! Am I in trouble for that!!! :-) ), you again appear seduced by the myth that only London-based jobs count as worthwhile British jobs. Not so. Long-haul services (by all carriers) from MAN support high quality BRITISH employment both directly and in the businesses attracted to our region by the availability of direct airlinks. The much maligned MEB3 (from an employment standpoint) are also big employers in the North-West. Both Etihad and Emirates operate large support call centres in the area providing BRITISH jobs which pay tax to the same exchequer as people employed at LHR. MAG itself, its sub-contractors, all the carriers which operate here (including many UK airline companies) … all are providing good jobs for BRITISH workers. Remind your colleagues that London does not have the monopoly on this. We regional types are not foreign competitors. Taxes generated by employment growth in the regions are just as useful to the exchequer as those generated by Heathrow.
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Back to aircraft movements and HOP! E190 F-HBLA arrived on Wednesday from Paris to operate a charter to Alicante. Apparently they have several charters from MAN over the summer. Just wondered if anybody knows anything more?
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What we really need is 12 A380 a day to LHR. Canx AA, Delta, SIA etc
QANTAS and Cathay left when BA codeshares came into play, but QANTAS left everywhere except LHR and Cathay are coming back. Not every connecting option means non stop is removed bagso! Shed, your point about jobs is a good one, but bagso is being anti LHR in order to be pro MAN. Robbing Peter to pay Paul won't help here, and I have never suggested London jobs are in any way more British than any other part of the UK. More jobs and links from both airports are the aim surely.
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Aegean are now flying MAN-ATH year round. Flights fully confirmed and bookable on their website and all GDS platforms.
Up until 25th October, flights will be 3 weekly. From 28th October until 1st April, flights are bookable 2 weekly on Tuesday and Saturday, with different timings to the summer flights:
A3638 ATH 0835 MAN 1035
A3639 MAN 1120 ATH 1715
A320 operates.
Up until 25th October, flights will be 3 weekly. From 28th October until 1st April, flights are bookable 2 weekly on Tuesday and Saturday, with different timings to the summer flights:
A3638 ATH 0835 MAN 1035
A3639 MAN 1120 ATH 1715
A320 operates.
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Now all we need is T1 and T3 demolished and that nice new terminal
What seems to be missing from current plans is a direct rail link to Stockport (and on to Tameside and Oldham) that does not necessitate travelling via central Manchester.