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What would the sign say?? Please be aware you are in a car park. Unlike every other car park you ever visit, we would appreciate you parking in the bays provided. These are marked with white lines.....Idiots will be served with parking offence tickets....Thank you.
Some things just shouldn't need signs...
Some things just shouldn't need signs...
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Parking
It probably is just down to laziness as they don't want to park 5 miles away
(slight exaggeration) and catch the bus to the terminal, which can be an ordeal in the early morning.
I pre-paid LS1 two weeks ago and was stopped at the barrier by a very nice man from NCP. He asked me if I would like a free upgrade to Multi-Storey 1, as LS1 was rather full and we would be parked miles away!
By the time I had turned around and got parked on the 4th floor of the multi I had not saved any time but of course not wanting to pay the rip-off trolley charge it was very much appreciated due to the short walk to and more importantly from arrivals on our return.
Also to cap it all due to a tech aircraft and a longgggg baggage reclaim I had over-stayed my 8 days (as mentioned in an earlier post) by 20-30 minutes and NCP were fine.
I must admit I tend to park in the spaces provided, not on double yellows as I would hate to give anyone the satisfaction of giving me a ticket!!! However someone rushing for a flight if delayed in traffic will no doubt take their chances. I suppose worth the risk especially if someone else is paying like your company.
Pete
(slight exaggeration) and catch the bus to the terminal, which can be an ordeal in the early morning.
I pre-paid LS1 two weeks ago and was stopped at the barrier by a very nice man from NCP. He asked me if I would like a free upgrade to Multi-Storey 1, as LS1 was rather full and we would be parked miles away!
By the time I had turned around and got parked on the 4th floor of the multi I had not saved any time but of course not wanting to pay the rip-off trolley charge it was very much appreciated due to the short walk to and more importantly from arrivals on our return.
Also to cap it all due to a tech aircraft and a longgggg baggage reclaim I had over-stayed my 8 days (as mentioned in an earlier post) by 20-30 minutes and NCP were fine.
I must admit I tend to park in the spaces provided, not on double yellows as I would hate to give anyone the satisfaction of giving me a ticket!!! However someone rushing for a flight if delayed in traffic will no doubt take their chances. I suppose worth the risk especially if someone else is paying like your company.
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LONGER runway needed
Emirates places super order for super jetsEmirates has placed what it claims is the largest single order for aircraft by ordering 32 Airbus 380 jets.
The buying spree would cost around $11 billion at the going rate of $346.5m a plane (although one assumes a bulk discount will be on the cards) and will mean the Middle Eastern carrier will have 90 planes.
Delivery date is 2017.
The bold order is a sign of chief executive Ahmed Bin Saeed Al Maktoum’s confidence in his airline’s growth. This year it anticipates earning $1.16 billion.
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The buying spree would cost around $11 billion at the going rate of $346.5m a plane (although one assumes a bulk discount will be on the cards) and will mean the Middle Eastern carrier will have 90 planes.
Delivery date is 2017.
The bold order is a sign of chief executive Ahmed Bin Saeed Al Maktoum’s confidence in his airline’s growth. This year it anticipates earning $1.16 billion.
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That 2017 date is meant to be when the last of them gets delivered. All things being equal, all 90 will be in the fleet between 2017 and 2020 as they say it's 2020 before the 1st ones they ordered will be replaced.
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Birmingham will get one eventually, theyve already proven it can be done (I know the loading was light by the A388 standards, but its been in at least)
Emirates have very few, if none deliveries of the A388 next year, so may be 2012 when BHX gets one. Id at least see an upgrade for the olympics as an extra gateway into London (and some soccer matches in coventry).
Anyone know any progress with an Indian Carrier for BHX. I personally think the fact jet airways chose MAN as a diversion station must have been annoying for BHX after all the signitures they collected (a diversion station makes it much easier to open a full station, so may lead to routes), but now AI are re-organising and seem to want to get thier act together, surely its time to re-instate BHX-ATQ, maybe as a stand alone route?
If they dont come, what is the issue with BHX. The runway is ok, AI have proven it and EK/PK show there are no issues with it day in day out. I know the LHR proximity is a small issue, but it just seems odd there is obviously demand (over 20000 signitures) but only EK want to capitalise on it?
Emirates have very few, if none deliveries of the A388 next year, so may be 2012 when BHX gets one. Id at least see an upgrade for the olympics as an extra gateway into London (and some soccer matches in coventry).
Anyone know any progress with an Indian Carrier for BHX. I personally think the fact jet airways chose MAN as a diversion station must have been annoying for BHX after all the signitures they collected (a diversion station makes it much easier to open a full station, so may lead to routes), but now AI are re-organising and seem to want to get thier act together, surely its time to re-instate BHX-ATQ, maybe as a stand alone route?
If they dont come, what is the issue with BHX. The runway is ok, AI have proven it and EK/PK show there are no issues with it day in day out. I know the LHR proximity is a small issue, but it just seems odd there is obviously demand (over 20000 signitures) but only EK want to capitalise on it?
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From Birmingham Airport's website....
"5 Star Luxury - Seven nights in Dubai -
From 899 per person, staying at Hilton Ras Al Khaimah"
Have they got Ryanair writing their copy? Ras Al Khaimah is about 70 miles north of Dubai, and is VERY different to Dubai... think Sleepy Hollow!
Anyone booking this and expecting the bright lights is going to have a very rude awakening when they get out of the airport and turn NORTH away from the city....
Naughty - call the ASA!
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"5 Star Luxury - Seven nights in Dubai -
From 899 per person, staying at Hilton Ras Al Khaimah"
Have they got Ryanair writing their copy? Ras Al Khaimah is about 70 miles north of Dubai, and is VERY different to Dubai... think Sleepy Hollow!
Anyone booking this and expecting the bright lights is going to have a very rude awakening when they get out of the airport and turn NORTH away from the city....
Naughty - call the ASA!
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India/Cork
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I have not heard anything other than there will no AI hub as per the recent various press releases but hope is still there for a terminator service although there is no indication from Air India at all. Although for any airline it won't be easy as Air India tend to route in from Delhi and I don't believe the other possible airlines (Jet/Kingfisher) have a long-haul bases at Amritsar.
No disrespect to Mahan Air but if they can get 4000-5000 pax per month to go via Tehran then I think there must be demand.
Cork
Although still not released, per the Cork thread it is expected that Aer Arann
will take over the service this winter probably double daily, which could be worse I suppose. Last summer there was too little capacity and last winter too much but 2 x AT7 sounds a much better prospect.
Pete
I have not heard anything other than there will no AI hub as per the recent various press releases but hope is still there for a terminator service although there is no indication from Air India at all. Although for any airline it won't be easy as Air India tend to route in from Delhi and I don't believe the other possible airlines (Jet/Kingfisher) have a long-haul bases at Amritsar.
No disrespect to Mahan Air but if they can get 4000-5000 pax per month to go via Tehran then I think there must be demand.
Cork
Although still not released, per the Cork thread it is expected that Aer Arann
will take over the service this winter probably double daily, which could be worse I suppose. Last summer there was too little capacity and last winter too much but 2 x AT7 sounds a much better prospect.
Pete
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Cork
Although still not released, per the Cork thread it is expected that Aer Arann
will take over the service this winter probably double daily
Although still not released, per the Cork thread it is expected that Aer Arann
will take over the service this winter probably double daily
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Oh you'll probably find that EI will not operate to ORK to go with all the other routes that seem to have disappeared over the years - whilst other airports seem to be adding destinations at a good rate of knots. Sorry to be maudlin but its true, BHX just seems so flat right and has done for a while. I guess its good however that BHX still has a wide range of full service carriers which the likes of BRS, EMA and others don't.
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May passenger figures
It does not sound too good at -5.2% 788060 (source CAA) but there
are some very good individual route figures which I will post another day.
As a taster DUS added 3000, Frankfurt 4000 (no Hahn this year), Paris 3000, Copenhagen 2000, Brussels 1300, Hamburg 500, Munich 3000, Amsterdam 5200, Zurich 3000 Dubai 7000 and New York 1000.
Pax don't always make profits but considering what has happened in the last 12 months this is possibly a start of better times. Some might be affected by inbound diversion but of course BHX itself was closed and suffered cancellations as well. On the positive side was that IPEX was on at the NEC,
which I think happens every four years and is one of the better trade shows.
Luton May pax 783218 -6.9 & Edinburgh 726606 -11.5 (ash cloud affected).
Pete
are some very good individual route figures which I will post another day.
As a taster DUS added 3000, Frankfurt 4000 (no Hahn this year), Paris 3000, Copenhagen 2000, Brussels 1300, Hamburg 500, Munich 3000, Amsterdam 5200, Zurich 3000 Dubai 7000 and New York 1000.
Pax don't always make profits but considering what has happened in the last 12 months this is possibly a start of better times. Some might be affected by inbound diversion but of course BHX itself was closed and suffered cancellations as well. On the positive side was that IPEX was on at the NEC,
which I think happens every four years and is one of the better trade shows.
Luton May pax 783218 -6.9 & Edinburgh 726606 -11.5 (ash cloud affected).
Pete
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May PAX
Peter
You're quite right regarding IPEX is a particularly prestigious show, and you would expect that passengers on routes from Germany and the Low Countires, plus DXB (connections from the sub continent) would be up as visitors and exhibitors to IPEX are concentrated from those areas.
You can be sure that yields on these routes, during this show, will be particularly good, though from personal experience, the ash cloud despressed visitor numbers at IPEX, and certainly some of those people that did attend decided to arrive by road rather than air to be sure they actually got there!
You're quite right regarding IPEX is a particularly prestigious show, and you would expect that passengers on routes from Germany and the Low Countires, plus DXB (connections from the sub continent) would be up as visitors and exhibitors to IPEX are concentrated from those areas.
You can be sure that yields on these routes, during this show, will be particularly good, though from personal experience, the ash cloud despressed visitor numbers at IPEX, and certainly some of those people that did attend decided to arrive by road rather than air to be sure they actually got there!
Oops, it doesn't reach!
Thinking it was some form of cost saving initiative by SN, I was surprised to discover that Brum's spanking new airbridges can't be lowered to RJ-85/RJ-100 door level. Good planning Brum
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Diversions
A little boost this afternoon, about 12 diversions in an hour from
East Mids. I assume most won't unload as I believe East Mids
has opened per another forum.
Not sure of the reason for the closure.
24 arrivals in an hour - unfortunately that does not happen
too often in the afternoon these days.
Pete
East Mids. I assume most won't unload as I believe East Mids
has opened per another forum.
Not sure of the reason for the closure.
24 arrivals in an hour - unfortunately that does not happen
too often in the afternoon these days.
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Thinking it was some form of cost saving initiative by SN, I was surprised to discover that Brum's spanking new airbridges can't be lowered to RJ-85/RJ-100 door level. Good planning Brum
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Air Bridges
Up and down all those Steps - It good excercise for us punters: and better for us clostrophobes - I once had to leggit (Hobble) from an Air Tours MD 83 ? ( The one with MTOW of about 72 Tonnes - Very nice cabin ) parked on one of the stands at the far end of the old pier, 50 Something ? with a broken toe.
(Yes it was a Meta Tarsel that I broke - Those rocks on Kos are the real thing !). Good to see the Business Pax figs looking up though. (OP's listing eagerly awaited).
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(Yes it was a Meta Tarsel that I broke - Those rocks on Kos are the real thing !). Good to see the Business Pax figs looking up though. (OP's listing eagerly awaited).
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May individual route analysis
Source of the monthly passenger figures was the CAA, the
average pax and load factor are estimates based on details
from other forums, acarsd and my own records (very estimated
in some cases). The 2009 figures are in brackets.
I believe load factors will prove to be higher in some instances.
These should just be schedule and I have no idea if diversion
pax are included. Emirates has been calculated as 122 rotations
as EK37/38 diverted away on 16/5 but of course the Manchester
lunchtime diverted in and operated out, which would make it 124.
BRUSSELS 10486(9141), 52 PAX/59%
LARNACA 6080(5524), 148 PAX/73%
COPENHAGEN 8008(6189),80 PAX/75%
BERGERAC 1239(991), 52 PAX/66%
BIARRITZ 2017(2936), 126 PAX/67%
BREST 311(319),39 PAX/50%
LA ROCHELLE 370(481),31/40%
LYON 2659(2098), 33 PAX/66%
NICE 4128(3623), 115 PAX/82%
PARIS CDG 28126(24970), 55 PAX/62%
TOULOUSE 157(215), 39 PAX/50%
DUSSELDORF 14401(11588)/43 PAX/55%
FRANKFURT 24344(20132), 68 PAX/63%
HAMBURG 3215(1945), 52 PAX/66%
HANOVER 4399(3793), 52 PAX/67%
MUNICH 10809(7990), 71 PAX/84%
WEEZE 3365(4380), 140 PAX/74%
STUTTGART 3679(2599), 38 PAX/49%
CORK 6316(5486), 121 PAX/70%
DUBLIN 41948(44552), 121 PAX/66%
KNOCK 3496(4514), 102 PAX/73%
WATERFORD 1340(1785), 37 PAX/56%
MILAN 3572(3027), 60 PAX/54%
TRIESTE 1994(1642), 111 PAX, 59%
MALTA 2134(3143), 119 PAX/84%
AMSTERDAM 39278(33997), 97 PAX/72%
FARO 17037(13564), 142 PAX/74%
OPORTO 2829(2505), 157 PAX/83%
ALICANTE 23467(24466), 145 PAX/78%
ALMERIA 1319(4303), 165 PAX/77%
BARCELONA 3376(4506), 99 PAX/67%
GIRONA 5458(3828), 151 PAX/80%
IBIZA 4340(2152), 136 PAx/78%
MAHON 5493(7099), 162 PAX/75%
MALAGA 25562(28206)/154 PAX/82%
MURCIA 8586(13852), 143 PAX/84%
PALMA 13042(20768), 143 PAX/80%
REUS 3203(5768), 133 PAX/71%
ARRECIFE 6408(2868), 152 PAX/75%
FUERTAVENTURA 2617(0), 145 PAX/68%
LAS PALMAS 6007(0), 158 PAX/79%
TENERIFE 12371(8079), 165 PAX/80%
GOTHENBURG 1752(1165), 27 PAX/60%
ZURICH 13391(10412), 77 pax/76%
ANTAYLA 884(0)/88 PAX/46%
DALAMAN 4839(0), 173 PAX/81%
ISTANBUL 3959(3036), 86 PAX/53%
PRAGUE 6073(8989), 174 PAX/92%
KAUNAS 2845(2552), 158 PAX/84%
BYDGOSZCZ 4341(3042),167 PAX/88%
GDANSK 2881(2904), 160 PAX/85%
KATOWICE 2906(5125), 161 PAX/85%
KRAKOW 3890(5122), 162 PAX/86%
RZESNOW 2953(2861), 164 PAX/87%
BRATISLAVA 4290(3578), 165 PAX/87%
ASHKHABAD 4608(4097), 128 PAX/68%
TEHRAN 3596(0), 128 PAX/50%
DUBAI 38700(31158)/317 PAX/76%
ISLAMABAD 9216(8505), 249 PAX/66%
NEWARK 9361(8254), 156 PAX/89%
Peter
average pax and load factor are estimates based on details
from other forums, acarsd and my own records (very estimated
in some cases). The 2009 figures are in brackets.
I believe load factors will prove to be higher in some instances.
These should just be schedule and I have no idea if diversion
pax are included. Emirates has been calculated as 122 rotations
as EK37/38 diverted away on 16/5 but of course the Manchester
lunchtime diverted in and operated out, which would make it 124.
BRUSSELS 10486(9141), 52 PAX/59%
LARNACA 6080(5524), 148 PAX/73%
COPENHAGEN 8008(6189),80 PAX/75%
BERGERAC 1239(991), 52 PAX/66%
BIARRITZ 2017(2936), 126 PAX/67%
BREST 311(319),39 PAX/50%
LA ROCHELLE 370(481),31/40%
LYON 2659(2098), 33 PAX/66%
NICE 4128(3623), 115 PAX/82%
PARIS CDG 28126(24970), 55 PAX/62%
TOULOUSE 157(215), 39 PAX/50%
DUSSELDORF 14401(11588)/43 PAX/55%
FRANKFURT 24344(20132), 68 PAX/63%
HAMBURG 3215(1945), 52 PAX/66%
HANOVER 4399(3793), 52 PAX/67%
MUNICH 10809(7990), 71 PAX/84%
WEEZE 3365(4380), 140 PAX/74%
STUTTGART 3679(2599), 38 PAX/49%
CORK 6316(5486), 121 PAX/70%
DUBLIN 41948(44552), 121 PAX/66%
KNOCK 3496(4514), 102 PAX/73%
WATERFORD 1340(1785), 37 PAX/56%
MILAN 3572(3027), 60 PAX/54%
TRIESTE 1994(1642), 111 PAX, 59%
MALTA 2134(3143), 119 PAX/84%
AMSTERDAM 39278(33997), 97 PAX/72%
FARO 17037(13564), 142 PAX/74%
OPORTO 2829(2505), 157 PAX/83%
ALICANTE 23467(24466), 145 PAX/78%
ALMERIA 1319(4303), 165 PAX/77%
BARCELONA 3376(4506), 99 PAX/67%
GIRONA 5458(3828), 151 PAX/80%
IBIZA 4340(2152), 136 PAx/78%
MAHON 5493(7099), 162 PAX/75%
MALAGA 25562(28206)/154 PAX/82%
MURCIA 8586(13852), 143 PAX/84%
PALMA 13042(20768), 143 PAX/80%
REUS 3203(5768), 133 PAX/71%
ARRECIFE 6408(2868), 152 PAX/75%
FUERTAVENTURA 2617(0), 145 PAX/68%
LAS PALMAS 6007(0), 158 PAX/79%
TENERIFE 12371(8079), 165 PAX/80%
GOTHENBURG 1752(1165), 27 PAX/60%
ZURICH 13391(10412), 77 pax/76%
ANTAYLA 884(0)/88 PAX/46%
DALAMAN 4839(0), 173 PAX/81%
ISTANBUL 3959(3036), 86 PAX/53%
PRAGUE 6073(8989), 174 PAX/92%
KAUNAS 2845(2552), 158 PAX/84%
BYDGOSZCZ 4341(3042),167 PAX/88%
GDANSK 2881(2904), 160 PAX/85%
KATOWICE 2906(5125), 161 PAX/85%
KRAKOW 3890(5122), 162 PAX/86%
RZESNOW 2953(2861), 164 PAX/87%
BRATISLAVA 4290(3578), 165 PAX/87%
ASHKHABAD 4608(4097), 128 PAX/68%
TEHRAN 3596(0), 128 PAX/50%
DUBAI 38700(31158)/317 PAX/76%
ISLAMABAD 9216(8505), 249 PAX/66%
NEWARK 9361(8254), 156 PAX/89%
Peter
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Thanks for this, OltenPete !
FRANKFURT 24344(20132), 68 PAX/63%
This must be >90% for LH and surely <60% for BE. Being a frequent
user of BE's Friday 15:50 departure to FRA, I'm a bit shocked about the
current <30% load factor. I guess they do make some money on
the return flight (e.g. Korean/OneWorld codeshare). This flight is
better for me than the 14:00, so I hope it will last.
I found it quite odd where all those people who used FR's HHN
have gone now, as even HHN-STN frequencies were chopped. Maybe
all-in-all fall in UK-DE travel due to the economic crises ?
BE seems not to have profitted from HHN going.
A similar story maybe for DUS, but there NRN is of course still there.
Squeezed-full Eastern Europe flights then from BHX.
FRANKFURT 24344(20132), 68 PAX/63%
This must be >90% for LH and surely <60% for BE. Being a frequent
user of BE's Friday 15:50 departure to FRA, I'm a bit shocked about the
current <30% load factor. I guess they do make some money on
the return flight (e.g. Korean/OneWorld codeshare). This flight is
better for me than the 14:00, so I hope it will last.
I found it quite odd where all those people who used FR's HHN
have gone now, as even HHN-STN frequencies were chopped. Maybe
all-in-all fall in UK-DE travel due to the economic crises ?
BE seems not to have profitted from HHN going.
A similar story maybe for DUS, but there NRN is of course still there.
Squeezed-full Eastern Europe flights then from BHX.
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May individual route analysis
jpthomas72
Thanks for your observations as I have little real information into the
split between flybe and Lufthansa other than information like yours.
However most comments seem the same with fairly low load factors
for flybe on some German routes (as per Stuttgart) but I often receive
reassuring info from various sources that BE do get a lot of late high-
yielding bookings on DUS, FRA, STR, CDG and MXP.
I was one of those who assumed flybe would disappear from STR, FRA,
MXP once the 145's left the fleet as business pax would not stand for
the Q400 on 90 minute plus sectors.
However you have to assume that BE are happy as they have hardly
cut anything other than Milan from two daily to one and from winter
it is down to five a week by Q400.
Some of the May figures do show some hope but it must drive the
airlines mad when the loads vary so much with exhibitions at the NEC.
At least the likes of SAS and Lufthansa react positively and increase
the size of the aircraft when needed.
Pete
Thanks for your observations as I have little real information into the
split between flybe and Lufthansa other than information like yours.
However most comments seem the same with fairly low load factors
for flybe on some German routes (as per Stuttgart) but I often receive
reassuring info from various sources that BE do get a lot of late high-
yielding bookings on DUS, FRA, STR, CDG and MXP.
I was one of those who assumed flybe would disappear from STR, FRA,
MXP once the 145's left the fleet as business pax would not stand for
the Q400 on 90 minute plus sectors.
However you have to assume that BE are happy as they have hardly
cut anything other than Milan from two daily to one and from winter
it is down to five a week by Q400.
Some of the May figures do show some hope but it must drive the
airlines mad when the loads vary so much with exhibitions at the NEC.
At least the likes of SAS and Lufthansa react positively and increase
the size of the aircraft when needed.
Pete