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I think the problem with QR is the lack of widebodies for BHX. They dont have the constant deliveries of aircraft that EK has, so expansion is slower for them.
There is a very slight rumour MAN will be upgraded to a B773 (to keep up with EY/EK) which would release an A333 (likely to be put on CPH or somewhere, in turn, their A332 could start BHX). The question is, would QR come or have they got bigger fish to fry?
I think if they at least started 4 weekly at the same time as launching another service 3 weekly (to fill the gaps), QR could do well at BHX.
It will be a long time until EY comes to BHX though, as they have retreated to just the LHR/MAN core routes, and Ill tell you now, EY will be out of DUB faster than you can say boo if EK enter the DUB market as they only seem fight in the big cities .(MAN seems to be a strange exception as one of only a few Euro cities to support all 3)
There is a very slight rumour MAN will be upgraded to a B773 (to keep up with EY/EK) which would release an A333 (likely to be put on CPH or somewhere, in turn, their A332 could start BHX). The question is, would QR come or have they got bigger fish to fry?
I think if they at least started 4 weekly at the same time as launching another service 3 weekly (to fill the gaps), QR could do well at BHX.
It will be a long time until EY comes to BHX though, as they have retreated to just the LHR/MAN core routes, and Ill tell you now, EY will be out of DUB faster than you can say boo if EK enter the DUB market as they only seem fight in the big cities .(MAN seems to be a strange exception as one of only a few Euro cities to support all 3)
Good news for BHX
Taken from UK Airport News
This surely has to be good news for BHX and may help speed up the development of the extention to the runway. After all nothing seems to have happened for a few months now.
Maybe it's better to concentrate on the runway and hold off on the development of expensive shops that appear, and no one seems to use.
This surely has to be good news for BHX and may help speed up the development of the extention to the runway. After all nothing seems to have happened for a few months now.
Maybe it's better to concentrate on the runway and hold off on the development of expensive shops that appear, and no one seems to use.
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Just 5 new routes starting this week!
Bordeaux today
Rennes, Avignon & Perpignan tomorrow plus increased frequency to Toulouse.
Wednesday sees Limoges new and increased frequency to Brest and no quite France - Jersey.
I believe Rennes, Avignon and Limoges are brand new schedules with Bordeaux
previously Baby and Perpignan, Ryanair and Flybe.
These flights take the place of reduced business frequencies such as STR
and FRA etc but last year the planes just sat on the ground except for TLS
and JER.
All are gone by mid September I think but who cares - smart thinking.
Pete
Bordeaux today
Rennes, Avignon & Perpignan tomorrow plus increased frequency to Toulouse.
Wednesday sees Limoges new and increased frequency to Brest and no quite France - Jersey.
I believe Rennes, Avignon and Limoges are brand new schedules with Bordeaux
previously Baby and Perpignan, Ryanair and Flybe.
These flights take the place of reduced business frequencies such as STR
and FRA etc but last year the planes just sat on the ground except for TLS
and JER.
All are gone by mid September I think but who cares - smart thinking.
Pete
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FlyBE website stating they're about to start BHX - Lyon, anyone know if this is taking over the AF franchise or are they going head to head? The AF loads have never looked that fantastic although I can imagine the yields would be pretty good but not good enough to sustain both carriers...
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June pax down 3.1%
Source: CAA
June 2010 870304 -3.1% Rolling year 8752848 -7%
Ahead of EDI & Luton for the month of June and just
behind Luton on a rolling year basis.
A quick scan of the routes showed some increased figures
on some business routes but May was obviously distorted
due to the IPEX trade show.
Emirates up another 5000 and Continental added about 700.
pax compared to 2009.
Every German services showed an increase except Weeze
and that was only down due to fewer rotations.
Turkish was up but only by 300 and still an average below 90
per flight.
Ryanair showed very good load factors except for Derry
and Trieste.
Domestics could have been worse with EDI down just 2200
with BMI Baby although Glasgow was almost 4000 down.
Pete
June 2010 870304 -3.1% Rolling year 8752848 -7%
Ahead of EDI & Luton for the month of June and just
behind Luton on a rolling year basis.
A quick scan of the routes showed some increased figures
on some business routes but May was obviously distorted
due to the IPEX trade show.
Emirates up another 5000 and Continental added about 700.
pax compared to 2009.
Every German services showed an increase except Weeze
and that was only down due to fewer rotations.
Turkish was up but only by 300 and still an average below 90
per flight.
Ryanair showed very good load factors except for Derry
and Trieste.
Domestics could have been worse with EDI down just 2200
with BMI Baby although Glasgow was almost 4000 down.
Pete
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I have been out of the loop for a little while but thought this idea was a dead duck some time ago.
Is there still the chance that AI will establish a base at BHX??
Is there still the chance that AI will establish a base at BHX??
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Number1delta & Monty Gordo
I think the original story came out in the Indian press and was soon picked up upon on the pprune Dublin thread. Although if you do a google you will also find similar plans for Munich in 2007 and possibly Milan.
The airports allegedly in contention were Dublin, Copenhagen, Barcelona
and Birmingham. Then not long ago another article stated that there was
a change of mind and Air India would close the Frankfurt mini hub in favour of flying direct as they have several 77L's and 77W's. In addition tenders were to be issued to lease out I think up to six aircraft.
The quote below featured in live mint and this is from allbusiness.com, which does not actually mention there will be no hub but does state direct flights to North America in place of Frankfurt stop-overs. Quote
" 1--NEW DELHI -- Air India, is planning to revamp its international operations, concentrating on non-stop connections instead of one-stop flights on its long-haul routes.
From November, the airline is likely to drop Frankfurt as its European hub
flying direct to destinations such as Toronto and Chicago from Delhi's new Terminal 3, according to two Air India officials familiar with the proceedings of the national carrier's strategy committee meeting on Monday that was attended by newly appointed chief operating officer Gustav Baldauf."
End of quote
Although a nice idea it did seem "pie-in-the-sky".
However it should not deflect BHX's attempt at getting a direct terminating service between BHX and Amritsar 2 or 3 times a week.
Pete
I think the original story came out in the Indian press and was soon picked up upon on the pprune Dublin thread. Although if you do a google you will also find similar plans for Munich in 2007 and possibly Milan.
The airports allegedly in contention were Dublin, Copenhagen, Barcelona
and Birmingham. Then not long ago another article stated that there was
a change of mind and Air India would close the Frankfurt mini hub in favour of flying direct as they have several 77L's and 77W's. In addition tenders were to be issued to lease out I think up to six aircraft.
The quote below featured in live mint and this is from allbusiness.com, which does not actually mention there will be no hub but does state direct flights to North America in place of Frankfurt stop-overs. Quote
" 1--NEW DELHI -- Air India, is planning to revamp its international operations, concentrating on non-stop connections instead of one-stop flights on its long-haul routes.
From November, the airline is likely to drop Frankfurt as its European hub
flying direct to destinations such as Toronto and Chicago from Delhi's new Terminal 3, according to two Air India officials familiar with the proceedings of the national carrier's strategy committee meeting on Monday that was attended by newly appointed chief operating officer Gustav Baldauf."
End of quote
Although a nice idea it did seem "pie-in-the-sky".
However it should not deflect BHX's attempt at getting a direct terminating service between BHX and Amritsar 2 or 3 times a week.
Pete
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If Air India are going to open a new european hub Dublin would be ahead of BHX as they will have United States Border Preclearance which will start in November but on the other hand Birmingham have a Indian population which Ireland dosnt realy have.
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I still dont see the benefit of this pre clearance thing.
Your still queueing for customs, just in a different place. Yes initially the queues will be a little shorter, but, If more and more airlines use it, the queues become longer and take away the benefit.
Birmingham would be the more logical choice for Air India, due to the pax patronage and *maybe* quicker turn around time, but I dont think Air India are going to have any European hub now, opting for the non stop services.
Your still queueing for customs, just in a different place. Yes initially the queues will be a little shorter, but, If more and more airlines use it, the queues become longer and take away the benefit.
Birmingham would be the more logical choice for Air India, due to the pax patronage and *maybe* quicker turn around time, but I dont think Air India are going to have any European hub now, opting for the non stop services.
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That's the thing though, BHX - Amritsar is not low yield, the Sikh community that this route is aimed at, in and around the West Mids is in large parts very wealthy. It's a cash cow for the likes of Mahan and Turkmenistan who offer he 1 stop service.
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Service to India
As regular business traveller on Emirates ex BHX I am aware that there is a sizable, affluent Indian Community in the Midlands (yes we do have wealthy people in the regions Skipness)!!!!!
I would certainly say that Sikh business men and families make up the largest proportion of business class passengers on Emirates flights from Birmingham.
Daza
I would certainly say that Sikh business men and families make up the largest proportion of business class passengers on Emirates flights from Birmingham.
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Amritsar
I am amazed EK have not started Dubai - Amritsar themselves, maybe the
332 is too big for the route, as Qatar I believe use 320/1's on the soon to
be daily DOH - ATQ.
Pete
332 is too big for the route, as Qatar I believe use 320/1's on the soon to
be daily DOH - ATQ.
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Ringwayman
You are correct, Air India did put out a press release to that effect but
whether it was just PR spin to sweeten the blow we will never know.
Loads were variable per the CAA stats but of course it continued on to Toronto which makes matters more difficult to follow. However fares were never cheap but as for more profitable than Heathrow I doubt.
Also at present it is not as if they are short of aircraft as the intention is/was to lease six wide-bodies out.
Pete
You are correct, Air India did put out a press release to that effect but
whether it was just PR spin to sweeten the blow we will never know.
Loads were variable per the CAA stats but of course it continued on to Toronto which makes matters more difficult to follow. However fares were never cheap but as for more profitable than Heathrow I doubt.
Also at present it is not as if they are short of aircraft as the intention is/was to lease six wide-bodies out.
Pete