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Lufthansa winter 2010/11
Not just flight number changes for this winter but there seems to be
a slight increase in seats.
The first Dusseldorf which was a CR2, then a CR7 and now often a CR9
is changing to a Contactair F100 Mon-Fri.
The Saturday DUS is in for this winter at present and is a CR9.
Frankfurt usually shows 4 x 735 daily as a default or in winter 3 x 735
and 1 x RJ85 or 190.
Well the 190 has changed to a 735 and the other three flights are
listed as 733's. In practice Wednesday/Thursday evening usually
sees a 320.
Munich had showed 3 x RJ85 but has changed to what BHX has now
3 x CR9 Mon-FR and 2 x CR9 at the weekend.
The F100 is an interesting move, I know the CR2's have been going
with few replacements but a F100 is certainly an increase compared
to a few years back. Not too many extra seats compared to the CR9
but still an increase.
There is no press release just what the timetable is showing and
these things do change.
AF CDG is going back to 5 daily for winter, KLM & SN remain at 5
daily in the week and Swiss still F100's all week & weekend.
Pete
a slight increase in seats.
The first Dusseldorf which was a CR2, then a CR7 and now often a CR9
is changing to a Contactair F100 Mon-Fri.
The Saturday DUS is in for this winter at present and is a CR9.
Frankfurt usually shows 4 x 735 daily as a default or in winter 3 x 735
and 1 x RJ85 or 190.
Well the 190 has changed to a 735 and the other three flights are
listed as 733's. In practice Wednesday/Thursday evening usually
sees a 320.
Munich had showed 3 x RJ85 but has changed to what BHX has now
3 x CR9 Mon-FR and 2 x CR9 at the weekend.
The F100 is an interesting move, I know the CR2's have been going
with few replacements but a F100 is certainly an increase compared
to a few years back. Not too many extra seats compared to the CR9
but still an increase.
There is no press release just what the timetable is showing and
these things do change.
AF CDG is going back to 5 daily for winter, KLM & SN remain at 5
daily in the week and Swiss still F100's all week & weekend.
Pete
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Aer Lingus Cork
As expected winter 2010/11 sees a massive decrease in seat
availability with Aer Arann ATR72's compared to last winters overkill.
Still it is double daily offering Cork business folk a reasonable
day return (ex Sat) although not so good the other way round.
ARR BHX 08.15 DEP 08.45 Daily
ARR BHX 16.40 DEP 17.10 Daily ex Sat
Base fares change from £55 to £90 although I only checked November
and these change all the time.
The BHX aircraft in the afternoon goes back to do ORK Manchester
giving them the decent day return for business.
Last winter the weekly Cork seats were 3828 and this one is 1768
based on 68 seats on the ATR (4 seats not available on the seat-map)
Currently there are 2088 seats per week on the route.
Pete
availability with Aer Arann ATR72's compared to last winters overkill.
Still it is double daily offering Cork business folk a reasonable
day return (ex Sat) although not so good the other way round.
ARR BHX 08.15 DEP 08.45 Daily
ARR BHX 16.40 DEP 17.10 Daily ex Sat
Base fares change from £55 to £90 although I only checked November
and these change all the time.
The BHX aircraft in the afternoon goes back to do ORK Manchester
giving them the decent day return for business.
Last winter the weekly Cork seats were 3828 and this one is 1768
based on 68 seats on the ATR (4 seats not available on the seat-map)
Currently there are 2088 seats per week on the route.
Pete
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Last winter the weekly Cork seats were 3828 and this one is 1768
based on 68 seats on the ATR (4 seats not available on the seat-map)
based on 68 seats on the ATR (4 seats not available on the seat-map)
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Yes there is 72 on the aircraft but even at airports own check-in they are often blocked out/unusable. I am not sure if it is because just a couple of aircraft in the fleet have this 68 seat layout or it's for other operational reasons.
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ATR72/Katowice
en2r
Cheers for the information. There are two in the first row on the right
and two at the back on the left which show blocked.
72 makes a bit of difference, 1872 seats per week and only about 11%
less than now.
Ryanair
Katowice which was not bookable this winter on Ryanair is now showing
the aircraft within a circle in the booking engine and "no flights" on "Monday"
and Friday", which can mean that it is about to be released on those days or at least it is under review. If want to see the difference of routes which are
under review see BHX-KTW or BZG compared to BHX-MJV & BHX-KUN and use any November or December departure date.
Pete
Cheers for the information. There are two in the first row on the right
and two at the back on the left which show blocked.
72 makes a bit of difference, 1872 seats per week and only about 11%
less than now.
Ryanair
Katowice which was not bookable this winter on Ryanair is now showing
the aircraft within a circle in the booking engine and "no flights" on "Monday"
and Friday", which can mean that it is about to be released on those days or at least it is under review. If want to see the difference of routes which are
under review see BHX-KTW or BZG compared to BHX-MJV & BHX-KUN and use any November or December departure date.
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Co26 29/06/10
Anyone know the reason for the 12+hr late arrival on y'days EWR-BHX (only arrived at 19:49 tonight)?
Original aircraft returned to gate at EWR then aircraft changed (to N13113) per CO website but then heavily delayed further.
Just curious....
BHX-ORK
Glad to see a return to double-daily and at decent times as well. Lets hope that it's a success. Might have to take a quick trip for Christmas to try it out.
Would have liked to have kept the A320 but lets hope that loads are good enough to warrant an upgrade at S/11.
Original aircraft returned to gate at EWR then aircraft changed (to N13113) per CO website but then heavily delayed further.
Just curious....
BHX-ORK
Glad to see a return to double-daily and at decent times as well. Lets hope that it's a success. Might have to take a quick trip for Christmas to try it out.
Would have liked to have kept the A320 but lets hope that loads are good enough to warrant an upgrade at S/11.
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The ever shrinking FR base @ BHX
With the latest FR spat over increased pax taxes and the info given by OP in the previous post can we assume the FR base at BHX will be shrinking even more? Can't believe that we are now losing PRG aswell, the European city destination offerings from BHX are nothing short of abysmal, short of full service hub airports, some key German cities and a few remaining randoms such as OPO, TRS I can't think of a time in recent years when it was so bad - in the last two years alone we have lost (not all FR) BCN, MAD, LIS, NYO, TSF, FCO, WAW, BLQ and now PRG that's not including a host of other smaller destinations gone including PSA, BLL, MRS, TPS, OLB, PIS (admittedly some of these perhaps ill advised....) And before the words recession, strength of Euro etc are used, a varied mix of European destinations appear to be at offered from most other UK regional airports at the mo, whether they are doing 'well' is another matter of course but at least they are hanging in there unlike at BHX! Why is BHX seemingly such a route graveyard? Things, as DReam once sang can only get better 
In context though I do see that FR have said major cuts for all UK bases this winter except for LBA (I assume because its a new base and that would be a PR disaster) and of couse perennial favourite EDI (not a new base so must be doing really well to avoid cutbacks)
In context though I do see that FR have said major cuts for all UK bases this winter except for LBA (I assume because its a new base and that would be a PR disaster) and of couse perennial favourite EDI (not a new base so must be doing really well to avoid cutbacks)
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Ryanair are pulling all routes from Prague to Birmingham and Frankfurt Hahn on 30 June and Dublin and Stockholm Skavsta on 30 October. This is over high charges so its not the just BHX.
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RYR EMA
Not at all as long as the price is still low. In fact I can see more marginal BHX routes heading up there as the lower costs make them more viable. MAG will be happy to have RYR EMA pax and not have them at MAN. Full service decent costs and facilities at MAN whilst EMA is a lo co. A perfect match. Perhaps BHX should have purchased Coventry.
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In fact I can see more marginal BHX routes heading up there as the lower costs make them more viable
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Maybe I have but why can't an airport located in the centre of the country, adjacent to two major motorways, with its own main line rail station and an immediate catchment area of 2 million plus people support a large loco airline base and flights to European destinations that seemingly thrive at other major UK regional airports?
The only reason I can think of is that BHX still has a very high operating cost base which makes it impossible for a loco like FR (who want to use an airport for next to nothing and whose costs are cut to the bone) to profitably fly from. But, rightly or wrongly, airports that can do so do have the routes that the travelling public want. Catch 22? There is no easy answer, or maybe the answer is easy?
PS and pigs might fly........
The only reason I can think of is that BHX still has a very high operating cost base which makes it impossible for a loco like FR (who want to use an airport for next to nothing and whose costs are cut to the bone) to profitably fly from. But, rightly or wrongly, airports that can do so do have the routes that the travelling public want. Catch 22? There is no easy answer, or maybe the answer is easy?
PS and pigs might fly........
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and yes I eat humble pie as I thought an FR BHX base would be nothing but good news for the airport
Now you see why people were pleased when MAN told FR to sling their hook. Yes they are good for that initial boost to pax numbers, but they wipe out competition, and once they do, move out/reduce citing high costs. Maybe its about time BHX did the same as MAN and force them out.
Maybe I have but why can't an airport located in the centre of the country, adjacent to two major motorways, with its own main line rail station
Maybe this is exactly the problem. BHX is in the middle of a big catchment area, granted, but it has the following issues:
EMA- FR and WW bases and turning into quite a big loco airport in its own right. Being so close to BHX, its always going to be an issue
LTN- its got poland covered and with U2 and FR based there also, maybe preventing BHX growth
LHR- with london so easy to get to by car, coach and train, the long haul fortress of LHR is always going to curb growth at BHX. Will that change now expansion of services at LHR have to look elsewhere? time will tell.
MAN- catches people from the northern end of the BHX catchment for many services BHX want to attract.
So basicall, the easiness of travel to all sorts of airports from BHX is always going to be an issue, so BHX needs to get out there and really promote the idea of using BHX as apposed to the other airports.
You may not have too long to wait for the Easy answer! But FR's response will probably be more spoiling tactics - we will see!
Well, they recently pulled EMA and their BHX-GVA/GNB services are a shade of what they used to operate. If they cant make a low cost base airport like EMA in the midlands work, do you really think they will come to BHX, where it has even more competition for the full service carriers and flybe. Mind you, stranger things have happened, and they do have a gaping hole. They have STN and then nothing going north until MAN, so you never know?
Now you see why people were pleased when MAN told FR to sling their hook. Yes they are good for that initial boost to pax numbers, but they wipe out competition, and once they do, move out/reduce citing high costs. Maybe its about time BHX did the same as MAN and force them out.
Maybe I have but why can't an airport located in the centre of the country, adjacent to two major motorways, with its own main line rail station
Maybe this is exactly the problem. BHX is in the middle of a big catchment area, granted, but it has the following issues:
EMA- FR and WW bases and turning into quite a big loco airport in its own right. Being so close to BHX, its always going to be an issue
LTN- its got poland covered and with U2 and FR based there also, maybe preventing BHX growth
LHR- with london so easy to get to by car, coach and train, the long haul fortress of LHR is always going to curb growth at BHX. Will that change now expansion of services at LHR have to look elsewhere? time will tell.
MAN- catches people from the northern end of the BHX catchment for many services BHX want to attract.
So basicall, the easiness of travel to all sorts of airports from BHX is always going to be an issue, so BHX needs to get out there and really promote the idea of using BHX as apposed to the other airports.
You may not have too long to wait for the Easy answer! But FR's response will probably be more spoiling tactics - we will see!
Well, they recently pulled EMA and their BHX-GVA/GNB services are a shade of what they used to operate. If they cant make a low cost base airport like EMA in the midlands work, do you really think they will come to BHX, where it has even more competition for the full service carriers and flybe. Mind you, stranger things have happened, and they do have a gaping hole. They have STN and then nothing going north until MAN, so you never know?
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easyjet/ryanair
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Interesting stuff and certainly Ryanair have it far too cushy at BHX at the moment, they don't need to push it at all.
wanna_be_there
Can agree with most of what you say but a bit harsh on easyjet GVA/GNB.
GNB has never been more than two weekly and it appears they might have seen Ryanair off the route (not yet bookable but early days).
Geneva I don't think has been more than 11-12 weekly at BHX and it was 10 last winter (Tuesday was released but never operated) and it is 10 weekly next winter with Tuesday back and one of the Friday rotations chopped.
Do you mean what they used to operate from the Midlands, as it is true BHX never gained any GVA rotations after the East Mids base closure. It is BMI Baby that have reduced BHX-GVA from near daily to just weekends.
The way easy have built the Manchester routes you can see why there is a bit of green-eye. It has been amazing and I would say even eye-opening with them going head-to-head on Munich, Copenhagen and Helsinki in competition with the full service operators (not that BHX would want that on CPH or MUC).
Pete
Interesting stuff and certainly Ryanair have it far too cushy at BHX at the moment, they don't need to push it at all.
wanna_be_there
Can agree with most of what you say but a bit harsh on easyjet GVA/GNB.
GNB has never been more than two weekly and it appears they might have seen Ryanair off the route (not yet bookable but early days).
Geneva I don't think has been more than 11-12 weekly at BHX and it was 10 last winter (Tuesday was released but never operated) and it is 10 weekly next winter with Tuesday back and one of the Friday rotations chopped.
Do you mean what they used to operate from the Midlands, as it is true BHX never gained any GVA rotations after the East Mids base closure. It is BMI Baby that have reduced BHX-GVA from near daily to just weekends.
The way easy have built the Manchester routes you can see why there is a bit of green-eye. It has been amazing and I would say even eye-opening with them going head-to-head on Munich, Copenhagen and Helsinki in competition with the full service operators (not that BHX would want that on CPH or MUC).
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EMA- FR and WW bases and turning into quite a big loco airport in its own right
were jet2 brought in to ease any route decline
As FR and baby are proving unrealiable these days, then maybe it's time for the Management at BHX to go out and court Jet2 and invite them to start flights from BHX.
Jet2 seem to have the 'staying power' at MAN & EMA and seem more popular than ever because they provide a better service.
Jet2 seem to have the 'staying power' at MAN & EMA and seem more popular than ever because they provide a better service.
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I think jet2 would be a good addition into BHX as they provide a good mix of flights, and as you say they have staying power to make routes work.
Easyjet would also be good for BHX but it just depends on how BHX plays its cards on courting new airlines. They seem too scared incase FR pull out, but the management seem to short sighted to see that booting FR would be a good thing for them.
Easyjet would also be good for BHX but it just depends on how BHX plays its cards on courting new airlines. They seem too scared incase FR pull out, but the management seem to short sighted to see that booting FR would be a good thing for them.