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Correct me if I'm wrong, but did SN not offer an ORK-BRU service one summer. Probably 2005? It was twice weekly as I recall. If there was such a demand they would probably have kept the service, or at least returned the following summer. They were only operating RJ85's so it was not like they had hundreds of seats to fill.
- Twice weekly (Monday and Thursday afternoons)
- Between June and September 2005
- Load factor was > 90%
- Load factor was 100% for most flights in July and August.
- Almost zero advertising for the route in Belgium and Cork/Munster
- Lowest return fare: €124
- Most popular connecting flight: Madrid
- % of passengers connecting: unknown (to me at least that is...)
- Avro RJ100 - 97 pax - approximately 70% of the flights
- Avro RJ85 - 82 pax - approximately 30% of the flights
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Yes, try as I might there were no Brussels Airlines A319s ever in Cork as far as I can remember. Dont get me wrong, I wish there had been!
Maybe, I may be wrong but there may well be a fair chance of a Cork Brussels on a few days a week only for the threat of Ryanair coming in and poaching the route at a later stage like what they did with Gatwick when easyJet were on the route.
I suppose the same could be said for a lot of potential routes ex-Cork -the snake lurking in the tall grass?
Kind of a sad upcoming weekend. In recent years the Munster Rugby team were playing in the Heineken rugby final at this time of year but this time it is Leinster's turn and all the great potential of lots of extra flights ex Cork to the final city has been lost. I have a long lost distant relation over from the U S West Coast this week whose day job is flying Challengers and tonight at the pub I was recounting to him tales of glory days of huge rugby airlifts ex Cork for the rugby final.
Que pena!
Maybe, I may be wrong but there may well be a fair chance of a Cork Brussels on a few days a week only for the threat of Ryanair coming in and poaching the route at a later stage like what they did with Gatwick when easyJet were on the route.
I suppose the same could be said for a lot of potential routes ex-Cork -the snake lurking in the tall grass?
Kind of a sad upcoming weekend. In recent years the Munster Rugby team were playing in the Heineken rugby final at this time of year but this time it is Leinster's turn and all the great potential of lots of extra flights ex Cork to the final city has been lost. I have a long lost distant relation over from the U S West Coast this week whose day job is flying Challengers and tonight at the pub I was recounting to him tales of glory days of huge rugby airlifts ex Cork for the rugby final.
Que pena!
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Flying into Cork tomorrow (Friday) from Manchester - Aer Lingus.
I am really looking forward to it, I heard it is quite a small airport and I have seen pictures and videos.
I am really looking forward to it, I heard it is quite a small airport and I have seen pictures and videos.
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Hope you have a safe flight and that you are able to enjoy the sights of Cork in good weather. The place has been tarted up in recent years and now looks quite respectable. Pretty grim still though in the rain - yesterday's wettings were something else!
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Cork marketing Drive!
Well the latest official marketing initiative at Cork is a Photography exhibition which follows last months food fair.
The best way to get people to visit the airport and spend money is to provide a viewing area.
There has been a huge fall off in meeters and greeters and other visitors since the new terminal opened. Car Parks Restuarants and the bar are all noticeably quiet as a result. In fairness to the CAA/DAA ,the decisions were made by Aer Rianta at the design stage which ensured that Cork has gone from being a friendly welcoming airport to a souless place.
The best way to get people to visit the airport and spend money is to provide a viewing area.
There has been a huge fall off in meeters and greeters and other visitors since the new terminal opened. Car Parks Restuarants and the bar are all noticeably quiet as a result. In fairness to the CAA/DAA ,the decisions were made by Aer Rianta at the design stage which ensured that Cork has gone from being a friendly welcoming airport to a souless place.
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Just to add to an earlier comment about the A319.
I believe Air Malta use them on charter flights for a few Summer seasons.
Also last summer bmibaby used mainline BMI A319s on occasion, two of which were based out of MAN last summer. The A319 appearences were sparodic, but scheduled.....
Brian.
I believe Air Malta use them on charter flights for a few Summer seasons.
Also last summer bmibaby used mainline BMI A319s on occasion, two of which were based out of MAN last summer. The A319 appearences were sparodic, but scheduled.....
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Viewing area
I agree with Stephen. Design team and the consultants took no account of the tradition of 45 years which saw thousands of meeters and greeters visit the airport each year.
This was primarily due to the close proximity of Cork City to the airport.
They promptly disappeared in 2006.
There was a mezzanine level in the original design but that disappeared among other things very quickly.
This was primarily due to the close proximity of Cork City to the airport.
They promptly disappeared in 2006.
There was a mezzanine level in the original design but that disappeared among other things very quickly.
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@ Charlie Roy : a good and inexpensive way to go to Cork, from Brussels, is by Ryanair : Charleroi - Dublin - Cork with the morning flights.
I do it often, there is a reasonable connecting time at DUB (and I come back ORK-DUB-CRL with the afternoon flights, often on the same day).
I do it often, there is a reasonable connecting time at DUB (and I come back ORK-DUB-CRL with the afternoon flights, often on the same day).
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Bones of a very good idea there - ORK- LCY - BRU with RE as a start. Just like with EI at LGW there is the critical mass of population that would give it the best possible chance of success. There is an inconvenience there, of course, as the securicrats would insist on frisking the Cork orginating transiting pax at LCY. Not in itself a problem if you are familiar with airport security necessities but you could imagine it disgruntling some pax after having being all ready searched an hour previously or so back in Cork?
Otherwise, a rather promising idea. If I recall rightly the City Flyer service (BA franchise) did the same with their ATRs from ORK-LGW-Rotterdam which seemed to work well enough. Plenty of precedence, then.
Hmm!
Otherwise, a rather promising idea. If I recall rightly the City Flyer service (BA franchise) did the same with their ATRs from ORK-LGW-Rotterdam which seemed to work well enough. Plenty of precedence, then.
Hmm!
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My only problem with something like ORK-LCY-BRU would be filling the plane out of LCY to BRU. With a once daily flight up against the big-boys at LCY, Im not so sure it would work?? Timings would probably not be great either, they would need to co-operate with someone like AF/CityJet/VLM, BA or SN Brussels.
I agree that ORK-LCY would be a great route for someone to do. Apparently it was one of GX's best routes...mind you they did only last a year!
I agree that ORK-LCY would be a great route for someone to do. Apparently it was one of GX's best routes...mind you they did only last a year!
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This is true! I think it was a Dornier of some description they had - a 338? Perhaps from Denim Air, if memory serves? Of course the initial operations across the board were done by Crossair/SWISS, which must have been an expensive proposition....
It's a shame they did not make it in the long term, perhaps if they had burned through a bit less cash in the beginning they might have made it. Had they done so, I wonder what the landscape at ORK would look like now, I would guess GX would have upguaged to E-170/E190 equipment, flying what EI does at the moment, plus more, with greater frequency, RE would be a smaller operation as would EI, who know's, perhaps GX would have been the airline to provide ORK with it's first transatlantic link! Just dreaming though!
It's a shame they did not make it in the long term, perhaps if they had burned through a bit less cash in the beginning they might have made it. Had they done so, I wonder what the landscape at ORK would look like now, I would guess GX would have upguaged to E-170/E190 equipment, flying what EI does at the moment, plus more, with greater frequency, RE would be a smaller operation as would EI, who know's, perhaps GX would have been the airline to provide ORK with it's first transatlantic link! Just dreaming though!
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Cork and Jet Magic
Wet leasing the Dornier for LCY ORK must have cost a fortune as did wet leasing the Swiss Emb 145's , French EMB 135's and even a HS125 during that memorable but all too short phase.
Most of the routes apart from BRU were eventually taken up by EI and RE. In hindsight they probably should have gone for a low cost operation as that was where the gap in the market was at the time.
Most of the routes apart from BRU were eventually taken up by EI and RE. In hindsight they probably should have gone for a low cost operation as that was where the gap in the market was at the time.
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Aer Lingus' Winter timetable from Cork seems to be fully loaded.
It turns out reports of Berlin's demise were exaggerated. It's available 3x per week Tue-Thu-Sat.
Geneva is also back.
There are capacity increases for Manchester (6x weekly), Lanzarote (4x weekly) and Tenerife (2x weekly).
I'm not sure if any capacity has been cut. They had a few spare rotations to play around with. The only one that had me wondering was Rome at 3x weekly. Was that 4x weekly last Winter?
It turns out reports of Berlin's demise were exaggerated. It's available 3x per week Tue-Thu-Sat.
Geneva is also back.
There are capacity increases for Manchester (6x weekly), Lanzarote (4x weekly) and Tenerife (2x weekly).
I'm not sure if any capacity has been cut. They had a few spare rotations to play around with. The only one that had me wondering was Rome at 3x weekly. Was that 4x weekly last Winter?
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Jetmagic's business model didn't work and that was why it failed. Sometimes it is that simple. Given that there are high capacity A320s and B737-800s flying from Cork to London, what would a LCY bring to the table that's not served by the other options? The primary driver is access to the City and speed where time is money. However at the moment, LCY has seen a massive cull of new and marginal routes and has retrenched around established routes between financial centes. ORK-LCY is a marginal route as it would need to be high(er) cost than the competition due to higher costs at the London end and the smaller aircraft size. I see liitle prospect of supporting such a route in the current environment.