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CAA stats for February show 8718 pax on BHX-ORK.
Acarsd shows less BMI Baby flights than what was scheduled
giving an average of 108 pax per flight (for both) or about 67%
load factor which for February seems reasonable. However I did
not check fares during the month but I believe they were "soft".
It is a pity EI can't do anything about this summer but at least
they should be able to make some money on the route.
Pete
Acarsd shows less BMI Baby flights than what was scheduled
giving an average of 108 pax per flight (for both) or about 67%
load factor which for February seems reasonable. However I did
not check fares during the month but I believe they were "soft".
It is a pity EI can't do anything about this summer but at least
they should be able to make some money on the route.
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Greetings to all from sunny Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Local time is 4.30pm and today has once again been completely sunny with temps getting close to 33 C and this I remind you all is the Australian autumn. A far cry from dear old Cork I am today!
She Who Must Be Obeyed and I flew EI to Heathrow last week for our Qantas connection and to take up EN2R's good news about the A321 set to be the mainstay on EI's Cork to Heathrow services for the summer I could not agree more with the plan. In fact, taking into account what I have seen here in Australia and in Singapore last week I would argue there is case for EI not just having an A321 on Cork Heathrow but to go the full hog and have an A330 for the service all together. Singapore Airlines use the 777 on the short Singapore - Kuala Lumpur and on the equally short Melbourne to Sydney sectors the Qantas 767s are used at very high frequiences and in both cases it must be to counter the likes of Air Asia on the Singapore-KL route and with Virgin Blue between Melbourne and Sydney.
Assigning an A330 for Cork LHR on some of the frequencies would also allow EI to experiment with possible future long haul options to maybe New York or Boston as well.
I think it would be great anyway! As for Cork-BHX this summer EI will be cleaning up, hopefully enough to put another deposit on the the Cork A330!
Hope yez are all well!
She Who Must Be Obeyed and I flew EI to Heathrow last week for our Qantas connection and to take up EN2R's good news about the A321 set to be the mainstay on EI's Cork to Heathrow services for the summer I could not agree more with the plan. In fact, taking into account what I have seen here in Australia and in Singapore last week I would argue there is case for EI not just having an A321 on Cork Heathrow but to go the full hog and have an A330 for the service all together. Singapore Airlines use the 777 on the short Singapore - Kuala Lumpur and on the equally short Melbourne to Sydney sectors the Qantas 767s are used at very high frequiences and in both cases it must be to counter the likes of Air Asia on the Singapore-KL route and with Virgin Blue between Melbourne and Sydney.
Assigning an A330 for Cork LHR on some of the frequencies would also allow EI to experiment with possible future long haul options to maybe New York or Boston as well.
I think it would be great anyway! As for Cork-BHX this summer EI will be cleaning up, hopefully enough to put another deposit on the the Cork A330!
Hope yez are all well!
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CAA Stats
CAA Stats not showing hopeful signs for sustainability of certain routes out of Cork
Belfast City
Jan 08 v Jan 09 - 20% drop in traffic
Feb 08 v Feb 09 - 34% drop
No change in timetable
Cardiff
Jan 08 v Jan 09 - 33% drop
Feb 08 v Feb 09 - 38% drop
May be explained by change in timetable (I think RE were daily in Jan 08 and 5 per week Jan 09)
Edinburgh
Jan 08 v Jan 09 - 16% drop
Feb 08 v Feb 09 - 11% drop
No change in timetable
LHR down 10 % in Jan 09 and 12% in Feb 09. Expected LHR to hold numbers given current absent of SNN connection. These numbers will worsen when SNN-LHR re-instated.
Belfast City
Jan 08 v Jan 09 - 20% drop in traffic
Feb 08 v Feb 09 - 34% drop
No change in timetable
Cardiff
Jan 08 v Jan 09 - 33% drop
Feb 08 v Feb 09 - 38% drop
May be explained by change in timetable (I think RE were daily in Jan 08 and 5 per week Jan 09)
Edinburgh
Jan 08 v Jan 09 - 16% drop
Feb 08 v Feb 09 - 11% drop
No change in timetable
LHR down 10 % in Jan 09 and 12% in Feb 09. Expected LHR to hold numbers given current absent of SNN connection. These numbers will worsen when SNN-LHR re-instated.
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Cardiff
Jan 08 v Jan 09 - 33% drop
Feb 08 v Feb 09 - 38% drop
May be explained by change in timetable (I think RE were daily in Jan 08 and 5 per week Jan 09)
Jan 08 v Jan 09 - 33% drop
Feb 08 v Feb 09 - 38% drop
May be explained by change in timetable (I think RE were daily in Jan 08 and 5 per week Jan 09)
Edinburgh
Jan 08 v Jan 09 - 16% drop
Feb 08 v Feb 09 - 11% drop
No change in timetable
Jan 08 v Jan 09 - 16% drop
Feb 08 v Feb 09 - 11% drop
No change in timetable
So as far as I can see Belfast is the only one thats actually had lower load factors.
Please correct me if I'm wrong about the above.
LHR down 10 % in Jan 09 and 12% in Feb 09. Expected LHR to hold numbers given current absent of SNN connection. These numbers will worsen when SNN-LHR re-instated.
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The Cork Airport Times? Hmm. Has a certain madcap ring to it all right.
If things are to be tough at Cork this year wait until the winter comes!
Last one out etc, etc!
Well, Cork has had it's seasons in the sun. Shame it could never have got a few USA flights going when the times were good. It would have deserved a fair chance but there was never any hope of that was there?
Just what will be left come the winter?
If things are to be tough at Cork this year wait until the winter comes!
Last one out etc, etc!
Well, Cork has had it's seasons in the sun. Shame it could never have got a few USA flights going when the times were good. It would have deserved a fair chance but there was never any hope of that was there?
Just what will be left come the winter?
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What a crackpot. If you can hold in the luaghter for long enough he actually makes some good points but they are lost both in the manner in which they are delivered and the barmy stuff he has in between.
Agree with transmagnificat on the libellious nature of many of his comments, particularly with regard to accounting firms, Aer Arann, Aer Lingus, any board member...why am I bothering to list....!? Most of it is libellious....!
Agree with transmagnificat on the libellious nature of many of his comments, particularly with regard to accounting firms, Aer Arann, Aer Lingus, any board member...why am I bothering to list....!? Most of it is libellious....!
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There was a post from a new poster with a link in it between en2r's and Tom The Tenor's
Presumably, admin saw fit to delete it as the link contained some allegations that would want to be substantiatable.
Presumably, admin saw fit to delete it as the link contained some allegations that would want to be substantiatable.
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Well, we know that Aer Lingus cut capacity at Cork during the Winter by 3% by laying up aircraft for a few rotations a week. Those were presumably the worst performing rotations though.
CSO figures only run to October 2008 (before the dropped rotations) at the moment, but for the various Aer Lingus destinations, the figures are
[2007 figure][2008 figure][Difference]
Lanzarote 7,102 7,476 +374
Malaga 8,645 8,947 +302
Alicante 3,926 3,468 -458
Amsterdam 12,942 13,667 +725
Barcelona 3,480 4,016 +536
Birmingham 11,474 10,098 -1,376
Paris 7,761 8,503 +742
Faro 6,319 4,680 -1,639
Rome 4,207 3,895 -312
Heathrow 42,233 42,961 +728
Manchester 6,639 10,093 +3,464
Munich 507 3,025 +2,518
Nice 2,542 2,435 -107
Prague 3,441 3,665 +224
Berlin 3,525 3,365 -160
Warsaw 5,701 2,814 -2,887 (I think these were all Aer Lingus in 2007 and all Wizzair in 2008)
These are the raw figures, so for BHX and MAN where there was another operator or ACE where there would have been charter traffic, it doesn't give the full picture.
I don't have the time to research ho many rotations there were, so I'm not sure how that relates to loads
Overall, assuming all 5,701 passengers are lost from the Warsaw route, that comes out as relatively flat for the month. How this has deteriorated over the subsequent 6 months, we'll have to wait and see.
CSO figures only run to October 2008 (before the dropped rotations) at the moment, but for the various Aer Lingus destinations, the figures are
[2007 figure][2008 figure][Difference]
Lanzarote 7,102 7,476 +374
Malaga 8,645 8,947 +302
Alicante 3,926 3,468 -458
Amsterdam 12,942 13,667 +725
Barcelona 3,480 4,016 +536
Birmingham 11,474 10,098 -1,376
Paris 7,761 8,503 +742
Faro 6,319 4,680 -1,639
Rome 4,207 3,895 -312
Heathrow 42,233 42,961 +728
Manchester 6,639 10,093 +3,464
Munich 507 3,025 +2,518
Nice 2,542 2,435 -107
Prague 3,441 3,665 +224
Berlin 3,525 3,365 -160
Warsaw 5,701 2,814 -2,887 (I think these were all Aer Lingus in 2007 and all Wizzair in 2008)
These are the raw figures, so for BHX and MAN where there was another operator or ACE where there would have been charter traffic, it doesn't give the full picture.
I don't have the time to research ho many rotations there were, so I'm not sure how that relates to loads
Overall, assuming all 5,701 passengers are lost from the Warsaw route, that comes out as relatively flat for the month. How this has deteriorated over the subsequent 6 months, we'll have to wait and see.
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Thanks 840, interesting post.
Amazed every time I see it the volume of people they are moving between ORK & LHR. Add the Stansted and Gatwick loads to that and you probably looking at moving the entire population of Galway every year!
Amazed every time I see it the volume of people they are moving between ORK & LHR. Add the Stansted and Gatwick loads to that and you probably looking at moving the entire population of Galway every year!
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That's actually every month!
One interesting thing you'll notice in the CSO figures is the way Aer Lingus have been slowly winning on the route to London.
If you go to November 2006, which was when Easyjet pulled out, the figures for the various London airports was
Gatwick 9,414
Heathrow 34,627
Stansted 24,645
which is
Ryanair 34,059 (49.5%)
Aer Lingus 34,627 (50.5%)
By October 2008, this had become
Gatwick 9,709
Heathrow 42,961
Stansted 25,895
Ryanair 35,604 (45.3%)
Aer Lingus 42,961 (54.7%)
Although, you shouldn't really compare statistics from two different sources, CAA stats suggest that by March 2009, the shares had become 56.4% for Aer Lingus against 43.6% for Ryanair.
It's been gradually shifting on a month by month basis. I can't help but think if it was the other way around, Ryanair wouldn't be slow to release press releases telling us about it.
London traffic is still 10,000 per month off what it was when Easyjet were also on the route.
One interesting thing you'll notice in the CSO figures is the way Aer Lingus have been slowly winning on the route to London.
If you go to November 2006, which was when Easyjet pulled out, the figures for the various London airports was
Gatwick 9,414
Heathrow 34,627
Stansted 24,645
which is
Ryanair 34,059 (49.5%)
Aer Lingus 34,627 (50.5%)
By October 2008, this had become
Gatwick 9,709
Heathrow 42,961
Stansted 25,895
Ryanair 35,604 (45.3%)
Aer Lingus 42,961 (54.7%)
Although, you shouldn't really compare statistics from two different sources, CAA stats suggest that by March 2009, the shares had become 56.4% for Aer Lingus against 43.6% for Ryanair.
It's been gradually shifting on a month by month basis. I can't help but think if it was the other way around, Ryanair wouldn't be slow to release press releases telling us about it.
London traffic is still 10,000 per month off what it was when Easyjet were also on the route.
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It's been gradually shifting on a month by month basis. I can't help but think if it was the other way around, Ryanair wouldn't be slow to release press releases telling us about it.
London traffic is still 10,000 per month off what it was when Easyjet were also on the route.
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How are Aer Arann doing at Cork at the minute? They seem to have only the two DUB flights which are not ideal for day returns. I see they are back in Jersey this summer.
Is is still just the two aircraft based at Cork?
Brian.
Is is still just the two aircraft based at Cork?
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Cork's loss is Dublin's gain
Cork will lose out on a massive airlift to EDI after that woeful performance by Munster. Among the planned charters was a Globespan 767 which will now operate from Dublin.
Any truth in the rumour that Ryanair and Cork Airport Authority are talking again?
Any truth in the rumour that Ryanair and Cork Airport Authority are talking again?
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A bit of sad misplaced optimism from Aer Lingus who have a one off flight from Cork to Edinburgh in their system for May 23rd. Maybe they should keep it and let people the not so distant parts of Leinster like Kilkenny and Wexford know that it's there...
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Yes, I had heard that some flights to Heathrow had been cancelled to accommodate the extra to Edinburgh for the rugby final. Well, Leinster got the last laugh in the end this time didn't they - there had been some awful arrogance on show here last week so easily assuming that Munster were in for an easy, cakewalk win last Saturday. Not that any of the bad taste was really being conducted by the team or anything - more a case of the Dublin and perhaps some of the more local beer companies, local superpubs and some of the more vulgar media organs all beating a march with bag fulls of cash to the night safe doors etc.
The Skyservice operated First Choice flight to Palma resumed today for the summer season. The 757 airframe in question now sports a pair of very sexy winglets and she looked like a film star climbing out off 35 over the city on her way down to home away from home for so many Cork folk in Santa Ponsa. She looked great. Not a whole lot to cheer about at Cork this summer but at least Palma is still a winner as the flight was absolutely filled to the gills. Long may it last.
ryan2000 reporting a rumor that the geniuses up at Cork and Ryanair may be talking with each other again? If so, the nearly 40,000 unemployed people now in the Cork area will thrilled to hear such news. They will sleep more soundly in their beds knowing that Cork's own Mr Churchill and company have all the matter in hand so well.
It is easy really. Add in yet another LHR flight and add in an extra daily to AMS et viola - plenty scope there to allow for more Cork paddies to begin emigrating again to the UK or to points further east. One thing is for sure as long as the geniuses up at Cork are in charge the emigrants wont be going anywhere west across the Atlantic from Cork! They will boarding the hourly Bus Eireann coach from Parnell Place to you know where for that sad journey.
The Skyservice operated First Choice flight to Palma resumed today for the summer season. The 757 airframe in question now sports a pair of very sexy winglets and she looked like a film star climbing out off 35 over the city on her way down to home away from home for so many Cork folk in Santa Ponsa. She looked great. Not a whole lot to cheer about at Cork this summer but at least Palma is still a winner as the flight was absolutely filled to the gills. Long may it last.
ryan2000 reporting a rumor that the geniuses up at Cork and Ryanair may be talking with each other again? If so, the nearly 40,000 unemployed people now in the Cork area will thrilled to hear such news. They will sleep more soundly in their beds knowing that Cork's own Mr Churchill and company have all the matter in hand so well.
It is easy really. Add in yet another LHR flight and add in an extra daily to AMS et viola - plenty scope there to allow for more Cork paddies to begin emigrating again to the UK or to points further east. One thing is for sure as long as the geniuses up at Cork are in charge the emigrants wont be going anywhere west across the Atlantic from Cork! They will boarding the hourly Bus Eireann coach from Parnell Place to you know where for that sad journey.