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Let's have a small bit of good news in the thread for a change!
Citylink have extended their Galway-Limerick-Cork bus to Cork Airport. While, I doubt we'll see many Galwegians opting for flights out of Cork, this does open up a public transport option for people in places like Mallow and Charleville. Perhaps we may even see some Limerick passengers who want to fly to destinations like Amsterdam, Warsaw, Lisbon or Gdansk that aren't available from Shannon.
Apparently the service has been operating for a while now, so maybe they should look at publicising it a bit.
Citylink have extended their Galway-Limerick-Cork bus to Cork Airport. While, I doubt we'll see many Galwegians opting for flights out of Cork, this does open up a public transport option for people in places like Mallow and Charleville. Perhaps we may even see some Limerick passengers who want to fly to destinations like Amsterdam, Warsaw, Lisbon or Gdansk that aren't available from Shannon.
Apparently the service has been operating for a while now, so maybe they should look at publicising it a bit.
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Well, at least the Citylink route complements the way the crowd in Th'Other Place got their hands down the pants of Bus Eireann to get them to alter the Cork to Galway bus service to include a stop at my least favourite airport in the midwest! Shows to what extent that crowd will go to suck in guillable and less informed County Cork passengers.
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Shows to what extent that crowd will go to suck in guillable and less informed County Cork passengers.
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What gets me are the so-called "competition rules". Seeing the way Ryanair beat Easyjet out of Cork with a stick, and are doing their level best to do the same to Aer Arann, how can we hope to get new routes in ?
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It is a hard one all right bearing in mind that Cork must be one of the most despised, if not the most despised airports, on You Know Who's Top Hate List.
That is something we could do for our amusement - compile a Top 10 list of airports most hated by the World's Favourite Airline!
1. Cork
2. Fuerteventura
3. ?
4. ?
5. ?
6. ?
7. ?
8. ?
9. ?
10. ?
Your question, Aisle2c, does show what Cork is up against in the face of collapsing passengers markets generally not to mention the continuing threat from snn if you consider that this summer the Italian and Austrian charter series' that Cork has had in recent years has been lost to Cork and have by miracle ended up operating into The World's Least Favourite Airport.
The Cork Airport Authority has in particular some grave questions to answer on the above matter in my opinion.
That is something we could do for our amusement - compile a Top 10 list of airports most hated by the World's Favourite Airline!
1. Cork
2. Fuerteventura
3. ?
4. ?
5. ?
6. ?
7. ?
8. ?
9. ?
10. ?
Your question, Aisle2c, does show what Cork is up against in the face of collapsing passengers markets generally not to mention the continuing threat from snn if you consider that this summer the Italian and Austrian charter series' that Cork has had in recent years has been lost to Cork and have by miracle ended up operating into The World's Least Favourite Airport.
The Cork Airport Authority has in particular some grave questions to answer on the above matter in my opinion.
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so now even the buses are Shannons fault?
Get over yerselves FFS. Surely if Cork has the huge local market ye always speak of ye shouldnt need buses from Galway and Limerick
Bet yer all over the moon that Shannons first pre cleared flight left Shannon this morning.
Get over yerselves FFS. Surely if Cork has the huge local market ye always speak of ye shouldnt need buses from Galway and Limerick
Bet yer all over the moon that Shannons first pre cleared flight left Shannon this morning.
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so now even the buses are Shannons fault?
Get over yerselves FFS. Surely if Cork has the huge local market ye always speak of ye shouldnt need buses from Galway and Limerick
Get over yerselves FFS. Surely if Cork has the huge local market ye always speak of ye shouldnt need buses from Galway and Limerick
The fact that ORK is nowhere near any M8 or N25 junctions is neither here nor there!1. Cork
2. Fuerteventura
3. Cardiff
4. Warsaw
5. Malpensa
6. Dublin
7. Stansted
8. Newquay
9. Blackpool
10. ?
Not Necessarily in that order
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Guys,
You might want to relax a bit about the Bus Eireann situation at Cork Airport
There are 53 departures a day, 39 into the city and 14 to Kinsale.
Now that's not to say it couldn't be improved.
The buses could be more evenly spread. In particular, there's a weird gap in the timetable between 21:30 and 23:00 (when I've often wanted a bus) where they end up just missing the passengers from 2 737s, 1 A320 and an ATR72.
They could also consider extending some city services, like the number 6 which goes to Grange to the Airport to cater for people who aren't city centre bound; maybe running some buses from West Cork through the airport or continuing some buses from North and East of Cork up to the airport after they arrive in the city. But all in all, the service isn't the worst.
You can add to that 6 Citylink services and 27 Skylink services daily, so that's a total of 86 departures daily from Cork Airport. Not that far behind Shannon.
You might want to relax a bit about the Bus Eireann situation at Cork Airport
There are 53 departures a day, 39 into the city and 14 to Kinsale.
Now that's not to say it couldn't be improved.
The buses could be more evenly spread. In particular, there's a weird gap in the timetable between 21:30 and 23:00 (when I've often wanted a bus) where they end up just missing the passengers from 2 737s, 1 A320 and an ATR72.
They could also consider extending some city services, like the number 6 which goes to Grange to the Airport to cater for people who aren't city centre bound; maybe running some buses from West Cork through the airport or continuing some buses from North and East of Cork up to the airport after they arrive in the city. But all in all, the service isn't the worst.
You can add to that 6 Citylink services and 27 Skylink services daily, so that's a total of 86 departures daily from Cork Airport. Not that far behind Shannon.
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Originally Posted by Vkid
Get over yerselves FFS. Surely if Cork has the huge local market ye always speak of ye shouldnt need buses from Galway and Limerick
What I would love to see is (outside of the current routes), any new route with say, at least 3 flights a week, can have the route to themselves for a period of 3-5 years so they can properly establish themselves. This would protect airlines from Ryanair dumping tens of thousands of free seats in an effort to undercut their competitors off the route.
What Ryanair did to Easyjet on the LGW was an outrage, made worse by them getting away with it completely.
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But is that not totally anti competitive then if you do that. You are basically protecting one business against the other. If there is to be true competition at any airport anywhere , you can't really do that..can you? There is market dominance in every industry, and the dominant player will always have a strong hand to play, but other businesses still compete. Maybe not on price but on other strengths they may or may not have.
You'd also have the possibility that the airline /route that is protected can basically charge what they like as there is no competition for those 3 years or whatever.
If competition is to provide consumers with more choice and better value, then surely what you are saying totally goes against this or am I missing something?
You'd also have the possibility that the airline /route that is protected can basically charge what they like as there is no competition for those 3 years or whatever.
If competition is to provide consumers with more choice and better value, then surely what you are saying totally goes against this or am I missing something?
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What Ryanair did to Easyjet on the LGW was an outrage, made worse by them getting away with it completely.
Easyjet pushed BMIbaby off the Gatwick route.
Ryanair pushed Easyjet off the Gatwick route.
Aer Lingus started the same routes from Cork that Jet Magic were already operating.
And so on, and so on.
That's the name of the game. All the players know the rules. All players are "guilty" of challenging the other players.
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I have to disagree. Competition law as it is, is the best it's ever going to be.
Easyjet pushed BMIbaby off the Gatwick route.
Ryanair pushed Easyjet off the Gatwick route.
Aer Lingus started the same routes from Cork that Jet Magic were already operating.
And so on, and so on.
That's the name of the game. All the players know the rules. All players are "guilty" of challenging the other players.
Easyjet pushed BMIbaby off the Gatwick route.
Ryanair pushed Easyjet off the Gatwick route.
Aer Lingus started the same routes from Cork that Jet Magic were already operating.
And so on, and so on.
That's the name of the game. All the players know the rules. All players are "guilty" of challenging the other players.
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That is the issue exactly though - doing it's best to kill off Cork Madrid was nothing to do with competition. It boiled down to hatred of Cork pure and simple.
And to think that genius Joe Gantly got into bed with that crowd of Cork haters. May he rest in peace.
In some ways some of the crowd from My Least Favourite Airport are right - Cork Airport is sometimes it's own worst enemy. It can be really pathetic.
And to think that genius Joe Gantly got into bed with that crowd of Cork haters. May he rest in peace.
In some ways some of the crowd from My Least Favourite Airport are right - Cork Airport is sometimes it's own worst enemy. It can be really pathetic.
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It boiled down to hatred of Cork pure and simple.
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Madrid flights
I'd say the demise of Madrid services had more to do with Munster people having a preference for bucket and shovel destinations like Faro and Alicante rather than city breaks in refined cultural capitals like Madrid.
A big problem for Cork and Shannon is their dependence on home grown traffic and their inability to attract inward tourism on any significant scale. This is particularly noticeable at Shannon which once had a mighty influx from Germany every Saturday but that inward business has disappeared.
Cork has also only a fraction of inward French business compared to the halcyon days of the Mid 1990's when even A300's and DC10's flew tourists in.
A big problem for Cork and Shannon is their dependence on home grown traffic and their inability to attract inward tourism on any significant scale. This is particularly noticeable at Shannon which once had a mighty influx from Germany every Saturday but that inward business has disappeared.
Cork has also only a fraction of inward French business compared to the halcyon days of the Mid 1990's when even A300's and DC10's flew tourists in.
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Well, we all know what happened to those passengers aboard French A300s and DC-10s that used to come to Cork in the 1990s?
They were poached.
And it is still happening today.
They were poached.
And it is still happening today.
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The problem isn't poaching; Shannon is suffering in this regard too. The problem is that our inbound tourism market has collapsed for several reasons
- High costs
- Building one-off housing all over our scenic areas
- Poor public transport making it impossible to get around the country without the expense of a hire car
- The decline of the package tour
- Major airlines going after the easy money of outbound passengers and not developing inbound markets
- People taking shorter city breaks, where only Dublin has the connectivity and attractions to compete.
- And on a slightly more positive note, fewer emigrants returning to holiday in Ireland
The figures for inbound tourism released earlier this week were shocking. Granted we're in the middle of a global recession, but the UK and US numbers have been falling for years.
- High costs
- Building one-off housing all over our scenic areas
- Poor public transport making it impossible to get around the country without the expense of a hire car
- The decline of the package tour
- Major airlines going after the easy money of outbound passengers and not developing inbound markets
- People taking shorter city breaks, where only Dublin has the connectivity and attractions to compete.
- And on a slightly more positive note, fewer emigrants returning to holiday in Ireland
The figures for inbound tourism released earlier this week were shocking. Granted we're in the middle of a global recession, but the UK and US numbers have been falling for years.