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Bournemouth isn't your average catchment area though, lots of people retire down here who also have a second home in Spain, Portugal and the Canaries and are often looking to travel from A to B as quickly and easily as possible without the hassle of using LGW or LHR. You also have all their families making the same journey to visit the parents for a free weeks holiday during the school breaks (or is that just me...)
The charm of Bournemouth is you can be home 20 mins after the plane lands more often than not and in the good old days pre recession you could go to Prague, Prestwick, Edinburgh or Amsterdam etc for a couple of days holiday or golfing without adding a day for travel.
Unfortunately this "out the box" thinking doesn't fit FR's bottom line accounting mentality and as yet, the balance of routes from BOH hasn't been right.
There is a killing to be made down here if only MAG and FR would stop butting heads for a minute. In the mean time, I as well as many others I know have now booked my next 6 months flights from other airports as I can't wait any longer for FR to announce any winter flights from November (if there are even to be any at all)
Sad but true.
Bournemouth isn't your average catchment area though, lots of people retire down here who also have a second home in Spain, Portugal and the Canaries and are often looking to travel from A to B as quickly and easily as possible without the hassle of using LGW or LHR. You also have all their families making the same journey to visit the parents for a free weeks holiday during the school breaks (or is that just me...)
The charm of Bournemouth is you can be home 20 mins after the plane lands more often than not and in the good old days pre recession you could go to Prague, Prestwick, Edinburgh or Amsterdam etc for a couple of days holiday or golfing without adding a day for travel.
Unfortunately this "out the box" thinking doesn't fit FR's bottom line accounting mentality and as yet, the balance of routes from BOH hasn't been right.
There is a killing to be made down here if only MAG and FR would stop butting heads for a minute. In the mean time, I as well as many others I know have now booked my next 6 months flights from other airports as I can't wait any longer for FR to announce any winter flights from November (if there are even to be any at all)
Sad but true.
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Agree BOU Pax
Having to Fly BRS-BZR this summer as FR,who loaded the flights for a week, withdrew BOH-CCF..Grrrrr..
Thats four adults in school holidays who live 10 minutes form BOH....
Am gald Ryanair1 agreed though that BOH routes are primarily for outbound traffic. I have lived in Bournemouth all my life and the majority of students are from regions other than the Iberian Pennisula.
Why do you think no airline at all operates form a European Base into BOH apart form Easyjets winter ski route from Geneva?
Air Berlin and Wizzair tried and soon pulled out....sad
Having to Fly BRS-BZR this summer as FR,who loaded the flights for a week, withdrew BOH-CCF..Grrrrr..
Thats four adults in school holidays who live 10 minutes form BOH....
Am gald Ryanair1 agreed though that BOH routes are primarily for outbound traffic. I have lived in Bournemouth all my life and the majority of students are from regions other than the Iberian Pennisula.
Why do you think no airline at all operates form a European Base into BOH apart form Easyjets winter ski route from Geneva?
Air Berlin and Wizzair tried and soon pulled out....sad
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Strange you say you agree with Frfly when actually you agree with me !!
A large % of the people of Dorset etc do not wish to fly to "bucket and spade resorts", and would rather fly to cities such as Rome, Berlin, Madrid
etc etc but are denied the chance - therefore they still travel via LGW and Stansted.
To compare others such as Air Berlin is pointless ! How could they be designed for BOH clients when nobody had heard of Paderborn unless you were in HM Forces.
Ryr used to fly to somewhere near Frankfurt and by all accounts the loads were good - but for some reason it didn't suit Ryr so they pulled it!
There have been many requests for its reinstatement - or better still Berlin or other cities.
And Wizzair tried to cash in on the Polish migrant population of the BOH area - all well at the start but most of these were temp residents and have now gone back "home" !
Strange you say you agree with Frfly when actually you agree with me !!
A large % of the people of Dorset etc do not wish to fly to "bucket and spade resorts", and would rather fly to cities such as Rome, Berlin, Madrid
etc etc but are denied the chance - therefore they still travel via LGW and Stansted.
To compare others such as Air Berlin is pointless ! How could they be designed for BOH clients when nobody had heard of Paderborn unless you were in HM Forces.
Ryr used to fly to somewhere near Frankfurt and by all accounts the loads were good - but for some reason it didn't suit Ryr so they pulled it!
There have been many requests for its reinstatement - or better still Berlin or other cities.
And Wizzair tried to cash in on the Polish migrant population of the BOH area - all well at the start but most of these were temp residents and have now gone back "home" !
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Ok so a percentage of the local population want to fly to say SXF, RYG, NYO for city breaks, however, this population in that catchment area is still nowhere near enough to justify regular 189 seater flights, to do this you need two way traffic, and I dont think BOH can really tick that box. Its great that people want to fly from their local area and great when RYR announce CCF, but obviously the demand wasnt there for it so it got axed...this airline is a business not a local service. Where are the people of BOH catchment area voting for with there wallets....sun sun sun...this is just the way it is. Look, HHN was tried, EDI was and so was PIK, 3 "city" routes and they all failed in terms of yields and sustainable loads. Exactly the same has happened up in BHX as there just isnt enough demand for these flights, no matter how many routes tried, TRF, NYO, BLL all gone.
The airline is now focused on raising yields and raising profits through its core business, not through marketing deals and route incentives from local governments, and where does BOH fit into this....with your bucket and spade routes which have little competition and provide good load factors with sensible yields. Maybe in time the odd city flight could be tested, maybe Venice and Rome, which may attract holiday makers and short city break passengers.
If BOH could really sustain these routes in the current economic environment do you not think RYR and EZY would be all over BOH now fighting it out with each other.....
The airline is now focused on raising yields and raising profits through its core business, not through marketing deals and route incentives from local governments, and where does BOH fit into this....with your bucket and spade routes which have little competition and provide good load factors with sensible yields. Maybe in time the odd city flight could be tested, maybe Venice and Rome, which may attract holiday makers and short city break passengers.
If BOH could really sustain these routes in the current economic environment do you not think RYR and EZY would be all over BOH now fighting it out with each other.....
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I know this is picky and not the BHX thread but to say that there was no demand in respect of the routes dropped is simply not true. The CAA stats do not lie.
If you said they were dropped due to poor yield, I for one could not argue as all I have been able to do was monitor fares (not additional revenue) at various times since the base opened.
In general NYO, PRG and BLG averaged between 60-65% (winter) and 85-90% (summer). MRS, PSA, BLL, PGF, PIS, were fine in summer but I would have to agree with TRF & HHN were awful other than July & August but I could have told them that before they started. However as SM was once quoted they don't analyse routes to death before they commence.
Some of course such as PRG & PIS were to do with spats and not demand.
Pete
I know this is picky and not the BHX thread but to say that there was no demand in respect of the routes dropped is simply not true. The CAA stats do not lie.
If you said they were dropped due to poor yield, I for one could not argue as all I have been able to do was monitor fares (not additional revenue) at various times since the base opened.
In general NYO, PRG and BLG averaged between 60-65% (winter) and 85-90% (summer). MRS, PSA, BLL, PGF, PIS, were fine in summer but I would have to agree with TRF & HHN were awful other than July & August but I could have told them that before they started. However as SM was once quoted they don't analyse routes to death before they commence.
Some of course such as PRG & PIS were to do with spats and not demand.
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Im not saying in all cases theres not demand, what I mean is to what extent did RYR have to reduce fares to stimulate demand? Were these routes loss making and sustainable in the long run?? I for one would love to see BHX be RYR's biggest non London UK base, as promised. However, this for some reason hasnt materialised.
Its clear to see all over the RYR network that these routes are beginning to get the chop or dramatic freq. reduction. An example, Stansted - Salzburg, used to be double daily is now 4 weekly in the summer. Maybe due to high airport fees and a lack of demand now this route has matured. Therefore what Im saying is going forward RYR will pick strong performing routes and utilise their aircraft efficiently to get the most out of them. This is where BOHs holiday routes fall very nicely.
Its clear to see all over the RYR network that these routes are beginning to get the chop or dramatic freq. reduction. An example, Stansted - Salzburg, used to be double daily is now 4 weekly in the summer. Maybe due to high airport fees and a lack of demand now this route has matured. Therefore what Im saying is going forward RYR will pick strong performing routes and utilise their aircraft efficiently to get the most out of them. This is where BOHs holiday routes fall very nicely.
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Very bad news about the Jersey route !
Hardly seems like the ink had dried on the bill boards announcing the route !
This really is not the news that Bournemouth needs to have so soon after the opening of the terminal where they should be actively filling the terminal with new passengers not loosing them . Especially with Ryanairs game playing going on at the moment
What Bournemouth needs and keep saying this , is a carrier in the 50 seat cat. where destinations like Edinburgh , Glasgow and indeed Jersey could support it and work
Although a brave move by BMI baby to start a route with an all singing and dancing kick off with the promise of more destinations to come possibly , and forward booking s were good , they dont seem to have the reliability to keep a route going ( like many of their routes ) and to with draw it after 2 months does not give a fair chance to the airport or indeed travel agents to promote and sell it .( 148 seater is again to big to operate this service)
Bournemouth will become unpopular with the public and be seen to be an unreliable airport if they are not careful , with route launches galore then dropped very quickly by the airlines involved
Hardly seems like the ink had dried on the bill boards announcing the route !
This really is not the news that Bournemouth needs to have so soon after the opening of the terminal where they should be actively filling the terminal with new passengers not loosing them . Especially with Ryanairs game playing going on at the moment
What Bournemouth needs and keep saying this , is a carrier in the 50 seat cat. where destinations like Edinburgh , Glasgow and indeed Jersey could support it and work
Although a brave move by BMI baby to start a route with an all singing and dancing kick off with the promise of more destinations to come possibly , and forward booking s were good , they dont seem to have the reliability to keep a route going ( like many of their routes ) and to with draw it after 2 months does not give a fair chance to the airport or indeed travel agents to promote and sell it .( 148 seater is again to big to operate this service)
Bournemouth will become unpopular with the public and be seen to be an unreliable airport if they are not careful , with route launches galore then dropped very quickly by the airlines involved
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Bad news..........but hardly surprising. It was only a matter of time with such an unrealistic routing with an aircraft of that size.
If MAN is viable from both BOH and SOU then what are the viabilities of JER/GCI from both ?
If MAN is viable from both BOH and SOU then what are the viabilities of JER/GCI from both ?
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The only way to make the JER route work from B'mouth is to contact CIT/Discovery Jersey/Airways Holidays and persuade them to operate a weekly or bi-weekly charter flights, as they do from a lot of other UK airports, even tiny ones.
Flybe or Cityjet would be the perfect carriers to do so, with the option of selling directly the remaining seats via their website (e.g. Flybe).
Flybe or Cityjet would be the perfect carriers to do so, with the option of selling directly the remaining seats via their website (e.g. Flybe).
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Manchester is doing ok, 61% in May.
The CAA provisional stats have just been published and Flybe carried 388 passengers in May through BOH. There were only 4 flights as the route started on thursday 27th and doesn't operate on a saturday. This works out to be 61% capacity on the route. A good start and hopefully this route will grow and prove the demand for domestic services using smaller aircraft. 
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Terrible news.
Agree with MARKEYD - for ages everyone round here has said what BOH desperately needs is an airline with 50/70 seaters flying "connectors" etc early and late in the day...........sounds a bit like SOU/Flybe or Air SouthWest..otherwise its bucket and spade only and still LGW and Stansted by road !!
Agree with MARKEYD - for ages everyone round here has said what BOH desperately needs is an airline with 50/70 seaters flying "connectors" etc early and late in the day...........sounds a bit like SOU/Flybe or Air SouthWest..otherwise its bucket and spade only and still LGW and Stansted by road !!
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Glaringly Obvious
So everyone knows what is needed, a Dash 8 doing European Cities and Scotland, Jersey and some Fench Regionals.
Surely an Airline somewhere can see the Gap in the Market !
Why don't Flybe just give it a go, the thing via Man is a waste of time.
It could be a long hard winter this year at BOH
Surely an Airline somewhere can see the Gap in the Market !
Why don't Flybe just give it a go, the thing via Man is a waste of time.
It could be a long hard winter this year at BOH
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Flybe wont bother expanding from BOH now.
Manchester was a predatory move in response to bmibaby entering the BOH-JER market. Now that is gone, they may as well pack up from BOH all-together as there is no longer any threat to their SOU base.
Manchester was a predatory move in response to bmibaby entering the BOH-JER market. Now that is gone, they may as well pack up from BOH all-together as there is no longer any threat to their SOU base.
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It didn't directly. What it did do was make bmibaby think twice about expanding some regional routes from BOH in direct competition with FlyBE at SOU...
Will be interesting to see FlyBE's strategy from BOH now (if indeed there is one at all)
Will be interesting to see FlyBE's strategy from BOH now (if indeed there is one at all)