BOURNEMOUTH - 2

[ryanair1]

A healthy and timely debate

At the end of the day an airport like BOH can only make decent cash on the commercial revenue streams generated by increased pax volumes and not through aeronautical fees. It would be next to impossible to generate the volumes required at BOH and still charge 'decent' aeronautical rates.

Maybe MAG feel they can get easyJet into BOH and extract higher aeronautical fees. But i tell you now - if they do that pax numbers will go down. easyJet's average fare is far higher than ours. BOH will only be able to attract our growth with a heavy heavy discount on rates. In turn those savings are passed on through lower fares, thus widening the gap between the fares on offer at BOH with those at say SOU, LHR etc. This will then create BOH's own market. A sizable one. We know and understand this. MAG dont seem to.

[QWERTY9]

"easyJet's average fare is far higher than ours"

But what about when you factor in the cost of transport to get from/to city centre rather than up to 70miles away or the cheaper baagage fees, no online check-in fees etc ?
The headline fare with Ryanair may well be cheaper, but the true cost is far different a lot of the time.

[pug]

But is the frequency of flights generated by two based aircraft enough to generate the revenue to cover their costs overall? I ask as a genuine question having spoken to people more clued up than me in the past.

[MARKEYD]

A very worrying development on the part of Ryanair if they are holding out for a better deal , so soon after the opening of the terminal .

Something is obviously a miss at the moment with no release of the winter programme and as time marches on they will miss out on the lucrative holidays / Xmas etc as i am sure people will go else where

Similar delay at Newcastle with Easy Jet this winter , only just released there programme after a few anxious weeks of speculation , lets hope Bournemouth does not have to go down this road as well

[Charlie Roy]

FR @ BOH next winter

Ryanair will for sure be operating the following routes next winter from Bournemouth:

Alicante: Tuesday, Friday
Faro: Thursday, Sunday
Girona: Monday, Thursday
Lanzarote: Wednesday, Sunday
Malaga: Wednesday, Saturday
Malta: Tuesday, Saturday
Tenerife: Monday, Friday

Unless Lanzarote and Tenerife are due to become Ryanair bases then Bournemouth needs to remain a base to operate these routes. The schedule for the Bournemouth based aircraft is shaping up as follows if it operates all BOH routes and Malaga (for example) is not operated by an aircraft based there:

Monday: Girona, Tenerife
Tuesday: Alicante, Malta
Wednesday: Lanzarote, Malaga
Thursday: Faro, Girona
Friday: Alicante, Tenerife
Saturday: Malaga, Malta
Sunday: Faro, Lanzarote

... I suppose a few Dublin rotations could be squeezed in, or operated by a Dublin based aircraft, but there is thusfar zero indication that Dublin will be operated next winter.

[MARKEYD]

So it looks like just 1 based aircraft again for the winter if the schedule comes off ?

Destinations like Las Palmas , Murcia , Fuertventura , Dublin will all go ?

[BOU_PAX]

Would be amazed if Las Palmas was dropped for the winter. Always high loads for these flights on a Sunday and TOM used to be full on a Wednesday as well...

[shamrock7seal]

I hope that mag will give ryanair the best deals considering they can put 1 or 2m pax through the airport. i agree that ryanair are really the only visible saviour for bournemouth. easyjet has too big an operation at gatwick and bristol to expand bournemouth.

Does anyone think mag/bournemouth are being tough with ryanair in order to try and grow easyJet, baby and flybe instead? - who obviously pay more in fees? This would be a dangerous move because flybe & baby would probably only generate a handful of pax. What would the incentive be for flybe to stay at bournemouth if they didn't need to protect their southampton base anymore?

[uncovered]

BOH-JER

Baby to close route. Last Flight June 28th.

[yorky66]

2 different visitors

Thanks Big Tony for excellent " heads up " - Miami Air 738 N733MA arrived 3.55pm today (ex G-OXLA !)
Looking forward to Tristar Air A300 .. keep em coming !
Cheers Yorky 66

[aidoair]

Boh - Jer

It's still bookable ? When was it announced?

[RooCat]

ryanair

If Ryanair don't upload Dublin for after October, does this mean an airline such as Aer Lingus Regional could come in and take over. Aren't they due for further expansion after their 5th/6th aircraft arrive? Also, Flybe could possibly continue the Jersey route couldn't they without breaking their Southampton monopoly??

[UZZY]

Well done Big Tony for the forward information re the expected Miami 737,which arrived this pm.

N733MA.jpg picture by Uzzy09 - Photobucket

[LTNman]

If FR are asking MAG for further discounts at BOH, MAG should be handing it to them on a silver platter. In this time of economic uncertainty BOH has been lucky to still retain the schedules it currently enjoys.

Why should they??? IF BOH has made a large investment on infrastructure then they are entitled to make a small return on that investment and not a loss by charging fees below cost.

Maybe BOH could take a leaf out of Ryanair’s book by having prices in pennies but then having lots of extra charges like taxiing charges that are charged by the inch, extra parking charges if more than two wheels are parked on the apron but free if they can get it down to two and a runway usage charge if Ryanair need to use the runway.

[yorky66]

RYR mat BOH

At the end of the day who gives a "fig" how many Ryanairs are based at BOH. It has always seemed to me that the flight times and destinations are for the benefit of incoming pax, not Dorset people or other "locals".
Same goes for the baby and flybe flights - its something for Man and EMA aircraft to do to fill in spare time wherever they are in the middle of the day - and an attempt by MAG to promote their latest airport expansion.
For me it was much better a few years ago when the apron was buzzing with a diversity of airlines - Futura, Iberworld ,XL , Euro Atlantic to name but a few.
If Ryanair were the slightest bit interested in BOH clientel they would offer flights to the European Capitals, German Cities etc at sensible times when day returns on business would be possible.

[Siggyboy]

Yorky66

Agree about the baby and flybe flights...a joke really to fill in time.

But do you think the flights to Palma, Malaga, Murcia, Faro, Las Palmas, Girona etc by FR are for all those Spaniards and Portuguese dying to sample an ice cream on Bournemouth Pier?

[shamrock7seal]

Uncovered

can tell you work for Flybe

There are no plans to withdraw the Jersey service from Bournemouth

BmiBaby bookings and load factors are strengthening significantly - 70% this month

[yorky66]

RYR at BOH

Siggyboy

Course not !
RYR flights are designed to fill Bournemouth with hoards of foreign speaking students willing to pay low fares for poor service.
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[frfly]

I couldnt disagree more with you....I think you'll see that BOH is one of the few Ryanair base's where its focussed on outbound traffic...hence the fact its purely bucket and spade routes...very similar to PIK and a lesser extend BHX.

I would agree with you if you were talking about EDI or MRS or any other base for that fact which is designed for a mixture of in/outbound traffic.

[ryanair1]

Frfly

Agreed.

Ironic really that the people of Bournemouth want to fly off to sandy beaches.

Spain, Canaries, Portugal.