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Nav3,
Let's have a look at your history on this one:
3rd January
New Owners
Announcement to follow in next couple of days that a deal to sell the airport to a British consortium has now been agreed.
The Airport will become fully operational again on the 18th January, 2010 and will become a Cargo centre open 24/7 Monday through Friday with full ATC but weekend opening hours yet to be finalised after more discussion. GA will be encouraged, as will training.
Great news all round.
The only place where this has ever appeared is here, and as it appears you know of course that Airports and Councils are notoriously leaky with this sort of information.
4th January
New Owners
Happy Wanderer...and others...
On Friday evening I followed 2 'Suits in an executive car off the airport west entrance which came from down by the AFT area. They turned their car into the pub...so did I. They stood at the bar and ordered 2 meals from the '2 for a Tenner section' and said to the barman, " We can only afford that now we have bought the airport and this will be our local when we come up here so we hope the food is good".
I was stood at the side of them and they continued to explain briefly to him that hopefully the trade would get back to normal for him and the airport in the coming weks as they were anticipating opening for 'full cargo facilities on the 18th Jan". Barman casually asked what would it be used for and the replied "freight and General Aviation". He asked if airliners would come in again like Thomson and they said "never say never, but not anticipated'.
IMHO, there was no reason for them NOT to be who they were and no reason for them to say any more ...they certainly were not boasting about it. Other overheard snippets certainly made it plain to me they were who they appeared to be. They were CERTAINLY in the aviation business and certainly acted like 'big cheeses'. There were no other 'known aviator regulars' in there except for me at the time.
Nobody at the Council would confirm (OR deny) that today when I called and asked for it to be substantiated.
Have to say that very good of both yourself and the "suits" to be working on the previous Friday, New Years Day, dedication for all beyond the call of duty there.
5th January
Well guys & gals, as Dave from Royal family would have said "say what you see, see what you say", (though why he should say that I have absolutely no idea as it makes no sense at all to me). Anyway, I can only say what I heard (and saw) and don't worry Leofric, nobody will get me down...you can't upset me ! 0523 Cov Man...you can have a sniff next time I see you !!
However, watch out on here for some further interesting news in a couple of days time. I promise you will hear it here first !!
Interesting news in the next couple of days, awaiting it with some excitement and not a little joyous anticipation from the tenor of the post.
Following that another 1 post probationary ppruner who seems to back you up a little?
7th January
hear one of the flying schools on the airfield has gone in Liquidation today. Sign of the domino effect. Many more instructors now looking for work.
Truth indeed, very sad for Almat to go, Glynn and the rest really nice people,but from the sounds of it not the further interesting news that you promised before?
12th January
Breakfast News
I am at the moment in the Oak as when I came out of Atlantic yesterday from Ground school, my car wouldn't start so I stayed the night here and just got up for breakfast.
There are two guys in here....SAME TWO as before and an announcement WILL Be made either this afternoon OR latest tomorrow morning depending upon 'something'...... which I couldn't hear properly.
Something about completing due dilligence by the end of this week but exclusive until end of the month but don't think they will need to ?
One thing I CAN confirm is they are NOT selling Telly's !!
The two men in a pub make another appearance... and a few minutes later
.....still here just checking out....one of them is speaking French on the phone !! .....What do they speak in Switzerland ?
It IS happeneing....I tell you !!
A few hours later...
Oh dear...I must stop posting about the Teles in the Pub........
It seems the Swiss guy in the pub was 'doing an ET' and 'phoning Home'.
Friend of a friend at Coventry Council just sent me a text that says that 'there are people running around here like headless chickens this morning with egg on their faces as a Swiss company who WERE going to take the airport forward, have pulled out' this morning. She will try to find out more for me later but can't stop now as due back in ground school !!
18th January - The day of the grand re-opening..............Two guys go into a Pub, first one is overheard ordering from the 'Two for a tenner' menu and the second one is speaking in French again on the phone to someone.
THEY ARE BACK HERE - IN THE PUB - AS I AM WRITING THIS AT THIS MOMENT !! Same two guys, definitely about the airport and DEFINITELY meeting with CCC this afternoon. ....I can even tell you what they have ordered at the bar !
My friends friend at CCC tells me they have a scheduled meeting today with the foreign bidder and whilst the deal is NOT what was originally put forward, CCC are desperate for them to take it on apparently.
Also, overheard them saying to someone that the liquidators have told them and CCC that if a deal is not done by the weekend they will start selling the assets off frm the airfield !
Later that day..
JennyB
I can ASSURE you I am NOT on a wind up ! What I can assure you is if you read back the posts on the timeline on this thread and look at what has actually been announced, with regard to the 'new ownership' and also for that matter 'the demise of Almat Club', you will soon see that I AM in the 'ball park'.
With regards to the 'Two men in a pub' I can only pass on what I heard and ACTUALLY saw with my own eyes and heard with my own ears. If it doesn't happen then please don't shoot the messenger.
This IS a rumour network and until anything IS signed, it remains JUST THAT! However, some posts have more strength than others and some of the drivel you read on hear is worthy of ' standup material'. (Maybe they could do it in a Brighton Bar ?
Anyway, just finished for the day now at Atlantic and just having a quiet pint without the Swiss Cheeses anywhere in sight. Can't find out if they are staying here tonight but who knows............
As you say Jenny, why would anybody want to go to Coventry when BHX is down the road ? Well, I once went to Brighton....and I would far sooner go elsewhere than there too,........... but each to their own.
Let's see what happens this week and if I hear anymore then I will let everyone know.
Apart from confusing me with another poster(unlike some don't have multiple log-ins), you now start to claim that you knew that Almat were going to close this obviously being your "interesting news", though think many knew about it on the day, and it seemed on that day that you had just heard about it.
I've said previously, have no problems with rumours, it's totally fiction that I have the problem with, and if anybody can read the above posts from Nav3 and think they have a real ring of authenticity then I've got a nice bridge in London that spans the Thames available for sale if you want it.
Wonder if any more probabationary ppruners with 1 post history will appear for support?
Let's have a look at your history on this one:
3rd January
New Owners
Announcement to follow in next couple of days that a deal to sell the airport to a British consortium has now been agreed.
The Airport will become fully operational again on the 18th January, 2010 and will become a Cargo centre open 24/7 Monday through Friday with full ATC but weekend opening hours yet to be finalised after more discussion. GA will be encouraged, as will training.
Great news all round.
The only place where this has ever appeared is here, and as it appears you know of course that Airports and Councils are notoriously leaky with this sort of information.
4th January
New Owners
Happy Wanderer...and others...
On Friday evening I followed 2 'Suits in an executive car off the airport west entrance which came from down by the AFT area. They turned their car into the pub...so did I. They stood at the bar and ordered 2 meals from the '2 for a Tenner section' and said to the barman, " We can only afford that now we have bought the airport and this will be our local when we come up here so we hope the food is good".
I was stood at the side of them and they continued to explain briefly to him that hopefully the trade would get back to normal for him and the airport in the coming weks as they were anticipating opening for 'full cargo facilities on the 18th Jan". Barman casually asked what would it be used for and the replied "freight and General Aviation". He asked if airliners would come in again like Thomson and they said "never say never, but not anticipated'.
IMHO, there was no reason for them NOT to be who they were and no reason for them to say any more ...they certainly were not boasting about it. Other overheard snippets certainly made it plain to me they were who they appeared to be. They were CERTAINLY in the aviation business and certainly acted like 'big cheeses'. There were no other 'known aviator regulars' in there except for me at the time.
Nobody at the Council would confirm (OR deny) that today when I called and asked for it to be substantiated.
Have to say that very good of both yourself and the "suits" to be working on the previous Friday, New Years Day, dedication for all beyond the call of duty there.
5th January
Well guys & gals, as Dave from Royal family would have said "say what you see, see what you say", (though why he should say that I have absolutely no idea as it makes no sense at all to me). Anyway, I can only say what I heard (and saw) and don't worry Leofric, nobody will get me down...you can't upset me ! 0523 Cov Man...you can have a sniff next time I see you !!
However, watch out on here for some further interesting news in a couple of days time. I promise you will hear it here first !!
Interesting news in the next couple of days, awaiting it with some excitement and not a little joyous anticipation from the tenor of the post.
Following that another 1 post probationary ppruner who seems to back you up a little?
7th January
hear one of the flying schools on the airfield has gone in Liquidation today. Sign of the domino effect. Many more instructors now looking for work.
Truth indeed, very sad for Almat to go, Glynn and the rest really nice people,but from the sounds of it not the further interesting news that you promised before?
12th January
Breakfast News
I am at the moment in the Oak as when I came out of Atlantic yesterday from Ground school, my car wouldn't start so I stayed the night here and just got up for breakfast.
There are two guys in here....SAME TWO as before and an announcement WILL Be made either this afternoon OR latest tomorrow morning depending upon 'something'...... which I couldn't hear properly.
Something about completing due dilligence by the end of this week but exclusive until end of the month but don't think they will need to ?
One thing I CAN confirm is they are NOT selling Telly's !!
The two men in a pub make another appearance... and a few minutes later
.....still here just checking out....one of them is speaking French on the phone !! .....What do they speak in Switzerland ?
It IS happeneing....I tell you !!
A few hours later...
Oh dear...I must stop posting about the Teles in the Pub........
It seems the Swiss guy in the pub was 'doing an ET' and 'phoning Home'.
Friend of a friend at Coventry Council just sent me a text that says that 'there are people running around here like headless chickens this morning with egg on their faces as a Swiss company who WERE going to take the airport forward, have pulled out' this morning. She will try to find out more for me later but can't stop now as due back in ground school !!
18th January - The day of the grand re-opening..............Two guys go into a Pub, first one is overheard ordering from the 'Two for a tenner' menu and the second one is speaking in French again on the phone to someone.
THEY ARE BACK HERE - IN THE PUB - AS I AM WRITING THIS AT THIS MOMENT !! Same two guys, definitely about the airport and DEFINITELY meeting with CCC this afternoon. ....I can even tell you what they have ordered at the bar !
My friends friend at CCC tells me they have a scheduled meeting today with the foreign bidder and whilst the deal is NOT what was originally put forward, CCC are desperate for them to take it on apparently.
Also, overheard them saying to someone that the liquidators have told them and CCC that if a deal is not done by the weekend they will start selling the assets off frm the airfield !
Later that day..
JennyB
I can ASSURE you I am NOT on a wind up ! What I can assure you is if you read back the posts on the timeline on this thread and look at what has actually been announced, with regard to the 'new ownership' and also for that matter 'the demise of Almat Club', you will soon see that I AM in the 'ball park'.
With regards to the 'Two men in a pub' I can only pass on what I heard and ACTUALLY saw with my own eyes and heard with my own ears. If it doesn't happen then please don't shoot the messenger.
This IS a rumour network and until anything IS signed, it remains JUST THAT! However, some posts have more strength than others and some of the drivel you read on hear is worthy of ' standup material'. (Maybe they could do it in a Brighton Bar ?
Anyway, just finished for the day now at Atlantic and just having a quiet pint without the Swiss Cheeses anywhere in sight. Can't find out if they are staying here tonight but who knows............
As you say Jenny, why would anybody want to go to Coventry when BHX is down the road ? Well, I once went to Brighton....and I would far sooner go elsewhere than there too,........... but each to their own.
Let's see what happens this week and if I hear anymore then I will let everyone know.
Apart from confusing me with another poster(unlike some don't have multiple log-ins), you now start to claim that you knew that Almat were going to close this obviously being your "interesting news", though think many knew about it on the day, and it seemed on that day that you had just heard about it.
I've said previously, have no problems with rumours, it's totally fiction that I have the problem with, and if anybody can read the above posts from Nav3 and think they have a real ring of authenticity then I've got a nice bridge in London that spans the Thames available for sale if you want it.
Wonder if any more probabationary ppruners with 1 post history will appear for support?
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Goodness JennyB, that was a long post!!!
Interested parties there may be, but it's what these interested parties do for a living (and not just that there are interested parties in the first place) that provides the vital clues as to where we may be going with all of this. I have it on good authority (ie it was confirmed in a meeting here on site today) that the Swiss consortium that we've been talking about a lot over the past few weeks are in fact a group of property developers - not an airport operator. Now, does that say something about the future for the airport?
HW
Interested parties there may be, but it's what these interested parties do for a living (and not just that there are interested parties in the first place) that provides the vital clues as to where we may be going with all of this. I have it on good authority (ie it was confirmed in a meeting here on site today) that the Swiss consortium that we've been talking about a lot over the past few weeks are in fact a group of property developers - not an airport operator. Now, does that say something about the future for the airport?
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Happy Wanderer,
Correct in what you further divulge...and just so that everyone else IS aware of the fact on WHO they are, I do hope people don't think 'houses' when they read property development.
Here is another little snippet....Property development around the periphery of the airfield with a view to larger maintenance organisations and AVIATION related activities etc .......just like Southend is.
JennyB...as Happy Wanderer says, "wow that was a big one"....must be a replica of one of your other orifices then ?
Anyway, can't sit in the pub any longer, got some theory to swot up on.
Correct in what you further divulge...and just so that everyone else IS aware of the fact on WHO they are, I do hope people don't think 'houses' when they read property development.
Here is another little snippet....Property development around the periphery of the airfield with a view to larger maintenance organisations and AVIATION related activities etc .......just like Southend is.
JennyB...as Happy Wanderer says, "wow that was a big one"....must be a replica of one of your other orifices then ?
Anyway, can't sit in the pub any longer, got some theory to swot up on.
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Happy Wanderer - the positive side to your post is that there are still meetings taking place, it had seemed to have gone very quiet!!
The fact that they may be property developers is not the end of the world, both TBI and Peel are property developers with airport interests and it may mean that the Swiss have the money to invest in infrastructure such as new hangarage etc.
Going back to Pharmer's post on Page 73:
That doesn't sound like the plan is to make it a housing estate but only time will tell!
I do think we are approaching crunch time, neither the receivers or airport operators will wait forever and the latter need news ASAP.
52N
The fact that they may be property developers is not the end of the world, both TBI and Peel are property developers with airport interests and it may mean that the Swiss have the money to invest in infrastructure such as new hangarage etc.
Going back to Pharmer's post on Page 73:
CVT's role will essentially BA/GA and ad-hoc/specialised freight. They are well connected globally and are able to bring, inter alia, substantial MRO operations to CVT.
I do think we are approaching crunch time, neither the receivers or airport operators will wait forever and the latter need news ASAP.
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52N,
That was EXACTLY what I wanted to enhance on with Happy Wanderers post about 'Property Development. Not having a moan at you but our posts just crossed on the timeframe.
That was EXACTLY what I wanted to enhance on with Happy Wanderers post about 'Property Development. Not having a moan at you but our posts just crossed on the timeframe.
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52N,
That was EXACTLY what I wanted to enhance on with Happy Wanderers post about 'Property Development. Not having a moan at you but our posts just crossed on the timeframe.
That was EXACTLY what I wanted to enhance on with Happy Wanderers post about 'Property Development. Not having a moan at you but our posts just crossed on the timeframe.
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Pure Comedy
Nav3,
Just out of curiousity, are you not landing your contact (and presumably friend) at CCC in the deep brown stuff by quoting a post held within their ranks? I'd be pretty annoyed if I was being linked with the leakage of sensitive information.
Just out of curiousity, are you not landing your contact (and presumably friend) at CCC in the deep brown stuff by quoting a post held within their ranks? I'd be pretty annoyed if I was being linked with the leakage of sensitive information.
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First off JennyB i think you should can it. You have said nothing productive and have simply come on to shout about how nav3 is blatently lieing. We've all heard you now go away.
As for Nav3 issue - It is a rumour network like you say, people bounce ideas off each other about this and that some fact some just idealistic ideas. What he has to say is up to us to interpret. He may well just be using the whole two men in a pub and the two for a tennor as theatrics to leak bits of information he knows. Does it matter how he does it??? if you interpret his posts he still is releasing rumours regardless of if he is making theatrics up around it for effect.
I've not looked too much into the swiss company but i know what you may be thinking when you hear property developer in the name you think deja vu. Well im sure the council and the liquidators don't want to be in this position again (although the council do try hard to screw themselves over - see consortium). It may well be that whoever buys it doesn't actually run it. There are a few agencies out that that can be brought in to manage an airport on behalf of investors.
As for Nav3 issue - It is a rumour network like you say, people bounce ideas off each other about this and that some fact some just idealistic ideas. What he has to say is up to us to interpret. He may well just be using the whole two men in a pub and the two for a tennor as theatrics to leak bits of information he knows. Does it matter how he does it??? if you interpret his posts he still is releasing rumours regardless of if he is making theatrics up around it for effect.
I've not looked too much into the swiss company but i know what you may be thinking when you hear property developer in the name you think deja vu. Well im sure the council and the liquidators don't want to be in this position again (although the council do try hard to screw themselves over - see consortium). It may well be that whoever buys it doesn't actually run it. There are a few agencies out that that can be brought in to manage an airport on behalf of investors.
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Heli Craig,
All rumours are fiction until they are made fact by an announcement by a recognised authority (not Nav3!) - however, at least he has been polite. More than can be said for you Jenny.
All rumours are not fiction, generally a rumour is based on something with some basis of truth, and from a source who can generally be relied on.
I heard that the airport is going to be dug up and replaced by a replica of Mount Doom run by Lord Sauron, overheard two orcs in the Old Mill, which gave it an air of respectability to me as what serious businessman would go into the Oak?
It would possibly help to look through somebody's posting history before accepting that they have anything genuine to say.
He appears to be a businessman in the North East, or possibly Preston, when he's not staying at "his little place in Spain" who seems to have relatives with info on most airports from Birmingham to Lydd.
Charlatans thrive in aviation because there are so many credulous people working in the industry.
The amount of lines spun by the previous incompetents that ran the airport, "Speaking to 18 different airlines to come in", "Up to six interested buyers" etc that were eaten up by people on here goes somewhere to prove that point, and this thread now going the same way.
I'll stay away now, but will come back to eat humble pie once all that Nav3 has said has come to pass.
All rumours are fiction until they are made fact by an announcement by a recognised authority (not Nav3!) - however, at least he has been polite. More than can be said for you Jenny.
All rumours are not fiction, generally a rumour is based on something with some basis of truth, and from a source who can generally be relied on.
I heard that the airport is going to be dug up and replaced by a replica of Mount Doom run by Lord Sauron, overheard two orcs in the Old Mill, which gave it an air of respectability to me as what serious businessman would go into the Oak?
It would possibly help to look through somebody's posting history before accepting that they have anything genuine to say.
He appears to be a businessman in the North East, or possibly Preston, when he's not staying at "his little place in Spain" who seems to have relatives with info on most airports from Birmingham to Lydd.
Charlatans thrive in aviation because there are so many credulous people working in the industry.
The amount of lines spun by the previous incompetents that ran the airport, "Speaking to 18 different airlines to come in", "Up to six interested buyers" etc that were eaten up by people on here goes somewhere to prove that point, and this thread now going the same way.
I'll stay away now, but will come back to eat humble pie once all that Nav3 has said has come to pass.
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JennyB at long last
JennyB
At long last your going to keep quiet
I can't believe it has taken you this long to realise that you have not actually added anything of use to this thread.
and yes we all look forward to the day when all will come to fruition and you can e
at you hat/humble pie I'll even join the line with salt and pepper
At long last your going to keep quiet
I can't believe it has taken you this long to realise that you have not actually added anything of use to this thread.
and yes we all look forward to the day when all will come to fruition and you can e
at you hat/humble pie I'll even join the line with salt and pepper
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Originally Posted by JennyB
All rumours are not fiction, generally a rumour is based on something with some basis of truth, and from a source who can generally be relied on.
ru⋅mor
–noun
1. a story or statement in general circulation without confirmation or certainty as to facts: a rumor of war.
2. gossip; hearsay: Don't listen to rumor.
I, and the English language, beg to differ Jenny.
Originally Posted by JennyB
I heard that the airport is going to be dug up and replaced by a replica of Mount Doom run by Lord Sauron, overheard two orcs in the Old Mill, which gave it an air of respectability to me as what serious businessman would go into the Oak?
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Calling 0523 Covman !
Heli Craig,
All rumours are fiction until they are made fact by an announcement by a recognised authority (not Nav3!) - however, at least he has been polite. More than can be said for you Jenny.
All rumours are not fiction, generally a rumour is based on something with some basis of truth, and from a source who can generally be relied on.
I heard that the airport is going to be dug up and replaced by a replica of Mount Doom run by Lord Sauron, overheard two orcs in the Old Mill, which gave it an air of respectability to me as what serious businessman would go into the Oak?
It would possibly help to look through somebody's posting history before accepting that they have anything genuine to say.
He appears to be a businessman in the North East, or possibly Preston, when he's not staying at "his little place in Spain" who seems to have relatives with info on most airports from Birmingham to Lydd.
Charlatans thrive in aviation because there are so many credulous people working in the industry.
The amount of lines spun by the previous incompetents that ran the airport, "Speaking to 18 different airlines to come in", "Up to six interested buyers" etc that were eaten up by people on here goes somewhere to prove that point, and this thread now going the same way.
I'll stay away now, but will come back to eat humble pie once all that Nav3 has said has come to pass.
All rumours are fiction until they are made fact by an announcement by a recognised authority (not Nav3!) - however, at least he has been polite. More than can be said for you Jenny.
All rumours are not fiction, generally a rumour is based on something with some basis of truth, and from a source who can generally be relied on.
I heard that the airport is going to be dug up and replaced by a replica of Mount Doom run by Lord Sauron, overheard two orcs in the Old Mill, which gave it an air of respectability to me as what serious businessman would go into the Oak?
It would possibly help to look through somebody's posting history before accepting that they have anything genuine to say.
He appears to be a businessman in the North East, or possibly Preston, when he's not staying at "his little place in Spain" who seems to have relatives with info on most airports from Birmingham to Lydd.
Charlatans thrive in aviation because there are so many credulous people working in the industry.
The amount of lines spun by the previous incompetents that ran the airport, "Speaking to 18 different airlines to come in", "Up to six interested buyers" etc that were eaten up by people on here goes somewhere to prove that point, and this thread now going the same way.
I'll stay away now, but will come back to eat humble pie once all that Nav3 has said has come to pass.
I'd love to read a reply from 0523 covman. Would probably finish the thread off for good !!
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Muckin Fuddle,
Oh you did make me laugh when I read that last line......you should be on the stage....keep it up !
Jenny,
I spread myself around very well. What about you ?
Oh you did make me laugh when I read that last line......you should be on the stage....keep it up !
Jenny,
I spread myself around very well. What about you ?
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the Swiss consortium that we've been talking about a lot over the past few weeks are in fact a group of property developers - not an airport operator.
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I Also thought that, never seen so many probabationary ppruners on one thread.
Ive heard on the grape vine theres a major quarrying company interested. And anybody who really does know Coventry Airport. knows whats underneath.
.Ive heard on the grape vine theres a major quarrying company interested
. And anybody who really does know Coventry Airport. knows whats underneath.