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Old 15th Jan 2010, 14:28
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What will the future bring

If all is true with regards to all the bidders pulling out what is left for the future of CVT and the companies that depend on it? If it remains unlicensed then this will have an obvious impact on training schools and what about cargo flights? Yes I know they can operate as unlicensed but what about DG flights? they need fire cover etc. so that would be another aspect the airport has lost. It seems such a shame that such a good asset of the city will be lost. I understand that the aviation industry is taking a hit in general but surely there must be something that can be done? The longer it takes I can only image the harder it will become to re-establish its self as a viable regional airport.
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Originally Posted by 0523 cov man
was at bhx today are aviance moveing out of bhx. 0523 covman
Aviance have been bought by Servisair and will operate as such from the 18th....

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Old 15th Jan 2010, 17:57
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CVT EGBE RIP
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Old 15th Jan 2010, 18:04
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From the Facebook "Re-open Coventry Airport" page

".....apparently the Swiss are back in talks."

I have no idea about the reliability of the information source.
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Old 15th Jan 2010, 23:21
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It's on and then it is off, then on... then off... the Swiss... Gatwick consortium ... etc, etc.
You are 100% right 1 LF... As you said it's on and then off and then on again and then off...

True... It's all unsure and it has been unsure since the 8th of December... Everyone is taliking about CCC and different bidders, about official statements next to come... But it is all rumors and it has been all rumors since the start of it... No one knows the true... We can just guss...

The sad point of it, is that everyone involved in CVT business is just waiting, kicking around, and hoping... As they cannot do anything else... CVT workers in the first place still don't know what will happen next nad what they'll do with their lives...

We have just two sure things...

- CVT it's closed, unsafe, and with no service of any kind, ON THE AIR SIDE
- CVT business is getting everyday weaker and weaker and weaker... Almat / Transair Franchise has been the first victim... As I said before, if something won't happen quickly, another victim will come really soon.

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Old 16th Jan 2010, 08:00
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The secrecy around everything is ridiculous. If the Council were in proper talks with anyone, why would they be secret. It's not as if it's not known the business is up for sale. I can't believe that anyone in the industry would not want it known that they were in talks, or indeed slightly interested.
On top of it all, it's peoples lives that are being messed around.
I'm beginning to believe the Council have had no firm interest in the airport. Lets face it, the Council leaks like a colander in these situations at the best of times.........
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Old 16th Jan 2010, 15:14
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I'm beginning to believe the Council have had no firm interest in the airport.
Only 'beginning to believe'? Some of us have known it for years.
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Old 16th Jan 2010, 16:47
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I agree.
If there was an interested party it would have come to light long ago. I doubt there is a buyer with deep enough pockets or a bank willing to take a chance with it in the current financial situation.

Seems to me that the various parties who have owned it / run it (inc Thompson Fly) over the past few years may have discovered how complex and costly it can be to run even a basic functional airport. And how risky it is to rely on the low cost end of the market, who will promise the earth and then drop you, and their PAX, like a hot plate!
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Old 16th Jan 2010, 17:07
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It is bizarre to suggest
  1. that there are no seriously interested parties to buy the airport lease
  2. that anyone doing a deal with the Council would make all the negotiations, figures etc public so that they can be poured over on Pprune (and competing bidders)
I have grave doubts about the competence and unrealistic expectations of Coventry City Council in these matters but negotiations with seriously interested parties have been and still are taking place.
Of course, just because somebody is seriously interested, does not mean they will do a deal if the terms available do not work in their business plan. I very much doubt if any of the business plans envisage passenger airline traffic with planning permission for a terminal not being available.
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Old 17th Jan 2010, 09:55
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Originally Posted by Leofric
It is bizarre to suggest
  1. that there are no seriously interested parties to buy the airport lease
  2. that anyone doing a deal with the Council would make all the negotiations, figures etc public so that they can be poured over on Pprune (and competing bidders)
I have grave doubts about the competence and unrealistic expectations of Coventry City Council in these matters but negotiations with seriously interested parties have been and still are taking place.
Of course, just because somebody is seriously interested, does not mean they will do a deal if the terms available do not work in their business plan. I very much doubt if any of the business plans envisage passenger airline traffic with planning permission for a terminal not being available.
I don't think that is what was suggested. The very fact that nothing has been said by CCC or even anything by the superb investigative hacks () at the Telegraph about an interested party says a lot. I don't think anyone would be expecting any detail of the negotiations. That would be dumb... As for people interested in the lease, we already know there is a serious party interested in the guise of the companies based there wanting to run it until another operator can be found.
Anyway, as has been said, someone will have to break the silence one way or the other pretty soon, or all the companies will make arrangements to leave or go bust...
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Old 17th Jan 2010, 13:01
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I take it that it's not opening tomorrow then??

Looks like my hat is safe from being eaten then...
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Old 17th Jan 2010, 15:13
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As a PPL who has always flown from Coventry I am now having to think about my options. As has previously been said, the longer this goes on the more people and buisiness they will lose to other airfields.

The existing flying clubs / school will have PPLs leaving to a runway that is safe and maintained, with fuel, someone to speak to on the radio and fire services.
While the situation is far from ideal and I very much hope that things are soon resolved soon for the sake of those whose livelyhood is at stake the current situation for PPL qualified pilots is actually not that bad. Sure, there is no ATC (just like many other airfields) lights or fuel (ditto) but the based aircraft can still fly. I noticed that the Coventry Aeroplane Club was very active today with PPL flying.
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Old 17th Jan 2010, 16:19
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Coventry Aero Club members may well be actively flying, the trouble is that there is no PPL training going on, as a result of the airfield being unlicenced.

My sister in law was just starting her cross countries from EGBE when the operators went bust. She won't have any alternative but go elsewhere....
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Old 17th Jan 2010, 16:50
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When?

Is there no end to this thread?
Where is Coventry anyway?
If no one wants to fly there (Which seems to be the position given the recent situation) why have an airport?
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Old 17th Jan 2010, 17:11
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One could say the same thing about Brighton!
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Old 17th Jan 2010, 17:15
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Brighton

At least Brighton does not pretend to have a real airport and realises they have Gatwick pretty close!
Ever heard of Birmingham airport? i think its quite close to Coventry?
Google it!
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Old 17th Jan 2010, 17:54
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Do you have any idea how much it would cost to operate a flying school from BHX, with the large landing fees and the mandatory handling?
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Old 17th Jan 2010, 17:58
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Is there no end to this thread?
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What you need is someone to mention the war Hitler etc and according to Godwins law the thread will be well and truely dead.
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Old 17th Jan 2010, 18:05
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Originally Posted by penelope
Is there no end to this thread?
Where is Coventry anyway?
If no one wants to fly there (Which seems to be the position given the recent situation) why have an airport?
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Why come onto the thread? As you've only 6 posts to your name I suppose you can be forgiven for not having the faintest idea what PPRuNe is all about.
Maybe you should start a Brighton thread and stick around there.
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Old 17th Jan 2010, 18:13
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Of course i realise the cost differential in private flying from COV as opposed to BHX.
However it is a sad fact of life that an International Airport cannot survive on club flying revenue only, much as i would like it to.
lets face it, if the likes of Ryanair (who specialise in God Forsaken airports) have no apparent interest in COV who will?
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