FlyBe - 6

[Evileyes]

Lets start again. Flybe is the topic.

Cheers,
The AA&R Mods

[AirLCY]

How Many 145's are now operation and how many are stored? Is the plan still to be rid of them all by end of 2009, or has it moved forward?

[Cloud1]

Evileyes - You have literally saved me from going insane....good idea :)

I think there are 10 E145s but I could be wrong as I cant remember how many have been WFU or sold on since they first joined the fleet. Two are off to bmi regional soon and by March 09 there will be two left in the flybe fleet.

[Tonyq]

According to a quick ACARS search, 11 145's have been active in the last few days - G-EMBI/J/K/L/M/V/W/X/Y, G-ERJA/C.

Jethro reports G-EMBN/O as going to bmi.

[blueplatinum]

Does anyone know any rumours about FlyBe coming to LPA? One of their a/c was spotted here last week! It was probably just on loan to another carrier but who knows?

[Cloud1]

Hello blueplatinum

No chance of Flybe coming to LPA I am afraid. The aircraft which was spotted was G-FBEN on its delivery flight from Brazil to Exeter, it routes via LPA for a fuel stop

[TechProblem]

Jethro reports G-EMBN/O as going to bmi.

BN is already in BMI colours, and the same reg. It was in MAN the other day.
Oscar will soon follow if it hasn't already.

[World Traveller]

It has BMI titles, otherwsie remains in BA colours!

[wouldhave]

Apparently a new Greek start up airline called Athens Airways are supposed to be taking 4 145s from FlyBE. Delivery is supposed to be starting in November this year - not sure if this is true or not.

[RED WINGS]

BN In BMI Colours????? Funny that! Its outside the hangar in EXT painted all white when I passed through today :D

[OltonPete]

RED WINGS

Today's acarsd

G-EMBN40080F(E145 BD)1853 20081030BD05TW (MME-LHR)G-EMBN40080F(E145 BD)1714 20081030BD08WT (LHR-MME)G-EMBN40080F(E145 BD)1507 20081030BD02TW (MME-LHR)G-EMBN40080F(E145 BD)1214 20081030BD05WT (LHR-MME)G-EMBN40080F(E145 BD)0948 20081030BD01TW (MME-LHR)

What time was this?

I know not all flights are on acarsd but not much time to get to EXT
and back :confused:

Pete

[cheesycol]

G-EMBN 100% in BMI titles, and operating for BMIr. BN is still in stripped down BA colours, i.e lower fuselage blue, just sports the BMI stickers. At least it was when I saw it on Tuesday, boarding BMI pax!

[TechProblem]

Apparently a new Greek start up airline called Athens Airways are supposed to be taking 4 145s from FlyBE. Delivery is supposed to be starting in November this year - not sure if this is true or not.


As far as im aware it is, but that company has put there order on hold, as atm they dont have the cash.

[NickBarnes]

BN In BMI Colours????? Funny that! Its outside the hangar in EXT painted all white when I passed through today :D


Doubt it heres a pic of it three days earlier BN In BMI Colours????? JetPhotos.Net Photo » G-EMBN (CN: 145201) bmi Regional Embraer ERJ-145EU by Charles Cunliffe (http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6399423&nseq=0) :rolleyes:

[uklad007]

its definately at Heathrow in BMI colours, i was on a plane parked next to it - BMI passengers got on at Gate 8 and then it flew off to Aberdeen i think its safe to say its been transferred.

On a separate note...it was a day of firsts for me as i flew for the first time on Sunday on one of Flybe's new long shiny Emb 195 back to SOU (and first time as a Flybe pax) and i have to say i was very impressed with the comfort inside and the quietness from outside (as i sat on Row 8 by the engine) - good loads too 110 pax out of 118. A very smooth transit through Soton (also a first for me) so a good experience all around :)

[cornishsimon]

any news yet on the proposed NQY-LGW 3 daily rotation by flybe?

[macuser]

Yes, a bit of a cigar tube but seems an OK aircraft so far. Good to have just 2 x2 though. Flybe are keeping them spic and span.

[Grizzle]

a bit of a cigar tube

What? :ugh:

[conradmueller]

According to a quick ACARS search, 11 145's have been active in the last few days - G-EMBI/J/K/L/M/V/W/X/Y, G-ERJA/C.
Last Friday I travelled on G-EMBU from DUS to MAN. All white with Flybe titles and markings.

[Richard Taylor]

Watching a Flybe 190 fly over my head on approach at Aberdeen recently, always amazed at how long it looks! Bit like a cigar tube in fact :E

Any more clues re what Flybe intend at ABZ, or has the Credit Crunch impacted their expansion plans generally?

[GROUNDHOG]

will flybe start NQY/EDI again next year in which case anyone know when please?

[Aeromaniac]

"in the press again today, that more cuts are to be announced, especially at Lgw."

So with BA looking to cut LGW and make T5 the centre of the world, how long until Flybe pick up plenty of new routes?
The largest catchment area in the country and still no base?
BAA moving out soon, will that make the difference?
Seen the large billboards over the entrance/exit, last airline to advertise up there was Easyjet!!

[cornishsimon]

will flybe start NQY/EDI again next year in which case anyone know when please


I think that if they dont Air Southwest will jump on the route like a rat up a drain pipe!

[parky747]

Flybe suggested that the may reintroduce a MAN-MAD service amongst other routes a while ago! Has there been any progress with this? Perhaps they don’t have enough E195 for the job!

[Vuelo]

How much did BE contribute to the BA drop in profits by 91pc? Judging by their level of service, handsomely.

[Going loco]

Why not read the BA presentation on their website, undertstand the figures and then tell us?

[Evileyes]

Most of the participants in this thread have no idea of the amount of crap the Mods have had to edit or delete. We started a new thread to try a 'reset' and bring the BS to a minimum.

Last warning to the troublemakers. Knock it off or get banned.

The AA&R Mods

[Cyclone733]

Does anyone know when the Next Gen Q400 cabins will be appearing on the flybe network?

Look far better than the current setup (which isn't too bad itself)

http://www.q400.com/q400/img/ph_cabin3.jpg

[Cloud1]

I don't think Flybe are getting any of the Q400 NextGens.

[belfastmark]

shame really, as soon as i looked at that picture i just thaught " oh my god thats amazing". If there planes looked like tht I would deffo pay a premium to sit on a plane as nice as that!!!!!!

[myairways]

I am nearly sure that the picture is the cabin layout of the 5 SAS Dash 8.

[DesperateFan]

They look like 2 atlas boxes to me. But then i am only cabin crew and at my age could need glasses.

HUGS

[intelfly]

Hello,
No, thats not a picture of the SAS Q400 that flybe operates, the seats on those a/c are identical to Flybe's Q400.
And the boxes on the rear Galley are Atlas boxes, not ovens

[Devonair]

See Flybe are offering connections from EXT to IOM and HAJ via MAN...
One day I hope they will offer interline with SQ via MAN also!

[TechProblem]

They do get alot of connections to Virgins flights out of MAN, so why not SQ!!!

[slapdash8]

Does anyone know when the Next Gen Q400 cabins will be appearing on the flybe network?


ive heard whispered rumours of a deal with bombardier for 30+ options on nextgens with a generous discount due to the filling of Widerøe orders with a few of the G-ECO*s

look nice in the pictures, lots of shiney LEDs.....and window blinds (as fitted to the former SAS Q400)

Flybe suggested that the may reintroduce a MAN-MAD service amongst other routes a while ago! Has there been any progress with this? Perhaps they don’t have enough E195 for the job!

Im sure this one will appear in the summer schedule, along with a few other new routes (or old Bacon routes). as far as i know, there are 2 195s parked up not doing anything at the moment. maybe someone can clarify this

[Tonyq]

ACARS search shows 13 of 14 195's were active today, and the missing one was flying yesterday, so that suggests the parked up theory may not be quite right.

[macuser]

I think this bus - coz that it is what is - is really really good over distances of 95 mins. after that it is perhaps hard going. climbs like b*****y. I like it!

[JAR]

All 14 flying today. There may be occasions when a couple of them are on the ground - winter timetable and they will be used once the skiing flights start in Dec. Certainly not "parked up"

[elmdonlad]

I have noticed that flybe have applied for four daily EMB195 slots to operate from Gatwick to Amsterdam next summer. Seems a strange move or is this part of the rumoured deal with B.A to take over more routes from Gatwick ?

[Flightrider]

I think Flybe have been throwing in slot applications at all sorts of places to cover the real intent of the Gatwick expansion. Amsterdam, Paris, Brussels - you name it, they applied for slots there for next summer for a four-times daily service from Gatwick with a 195!

Real plan is to take over the BA domestics (except for Jersey) but nothing said publicly about that yet, and supposed to be hush-hush. However you'd have thought that BA wouldn't make it quite so obvious that they were giving up on the domestics. Their on-line timetable for Summer 2009 shows Gatwick-Edinburgh with four flights a day leaving at 0910, 1215, 1855 and 2045 and ex Edinburgh at 0615, 1115, 1415 and 2100! Just great for the south-east business market. Great.

[Flightlevel001]

I've heard that also, it also provoked the question in my mind as to when (or indeed, if) they are going to make LGW into a base. Flybe already has a large presence at Gatwick and if this is due to increase, surely they must be thinking about it. It'll be a strain and will become increasingly inefficient to operate all of these flights from other bases...

[Skipness One Echo]

Their on-line timetable for Summer 2009 shows Gatwick-Edinburgh with four flights a day leaving at 0910, 1215, 1855 and 2045 and ex Edinburgh at 0615, 1115, 1415 and 2100! Just great for the south-east business market. Great.

Isn't this roughly what it ought to be? The market early is Southbound driven, going home North late. The oddball is the easyJet LGW-EDI / GLA which operate from the LGW end (!)

[Manchester Kurt]

Any idea when the MAN summer 09 flights will become available.

Am particularly looking at Geneva and / or Milan for a break in the Alps next summer.

Cheers.

[Cloud1]

GVA is winter only so will not appear in the summer schedule. Summer schedule release date is 02nd December.

[Flightrider]

Isn't this roughly what it ought to be? The market early is Southbound driven, going home North late. The oddball is the easyJet LGW-EDI / GLA which operate from the LGW end (!)

No - Gatwick domestics always used to do OK on morning departures ex Gatwick. If you look at where a lot of the higher-yield passengers who work in London during the day actually live (and 50-60% of the traffic originates from home, not from the office) then Gatwick historically did reasonably well on this traffic. BA has systematically trashed the schedules by moving morning departures much earlier (to 0610-0625) and evening return flights much later. There is a market and a lot of the morning southbound traffic into Gatwick was connecting onwards rather than point-to-point.

[Manchester Kurt]

Cloud1 - many thanks for your help.

[bcn_boy]

anything exciting in those summer schedules? anything new on the horizon for CWL?

[FS01]

Heard murmurings of a 4th based Q400 in IOM for summer '09. Whether this will happen we kwill have to see but it would be great for IOM to get another based a/c.:ok:

[Daza]

Anyone got any idea when BHX-LRH or EGC for next summer will be released? Im looking to travel to Cognac so EGC would be better.
Daza

[1station]

Summer 09 slots are appearing in Amoss or Chroma Fusion to give it its proper name at MAN. Nothing out of the ordinary showing so far.

[virginblue]

According to a German forum, Flybe has requested slots for LGW-DUS (E95) for summer 09. Given the desperate slot situation at DUS, it seems to be very unlikely that they will get any useful slots, but interesting anyway.

[akerosid]

Just saw this announcement on the front page; apparently, BE is making a major announcement on Wednesday, apparently to do with LGW; possibly taking over more BA routes; BA pulling out?

[conradmueller]

More even,
Flybe have requested slots for a Daily DUS-EDI nonstop with DH4.

[dublindispatch]

The Flybe on-line timetable wont let you go any further than MAR 09, any idea of or chance of new routes to and from Dublin. Someone needs to fill the shiney new T2 that no one wants!

[transwede]

NCL thread reporting that an application has been placed for a daily rotation to FRA from NCL - maybe an expansion into Germany is part of the plan?!

[bazzab68]

Any news on rumured announcement around 1.30 today, all over bhx about an announcement but nothing as yet........
Possible just the rumour mill in overdrive.

Barry

[Flightlevel001]

Financial Mail City news: Flybe, bmi, EasyJet, Aegis, Moss Bros | This is Money (http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/investing-and-markets/article.html?in_article_id=458650)

[flyhigh2fly]

As you are all probably aware

Flybe in talks to buy bmi regional, bmi baby - Flybe (http://www.eturbonews.com/6467/flybe-talks-buy-bmi-regional-bmi-baby)

Flybe in talks to buy bmi regional, bmi baby - report | Reuters (http://uk.reuters.com/article/UK_SMALLCAPSRPT/idUKB12406520081130)


Interesting article, just wondering what would Flybe want to do with 737?

I could see "some" point in having e145 for a while, which would be reducing gradually to be replaced by D8.

Will see, one thing is for sure I am going to stay put where I am at the moment, its not the time to be sitting on the bottom of any seniority list.

Anybody care to comment on the above article. What are the thoughts of bmibaby flightcrew & cabincrew?

May I add, that Flybe managers/directors know exactly what they are doing and there are some very smart people within flybe.

[Iver]

Probably want to dump the 737-300/500s and replace with more fuel efficient E195s. The E145s would likely go too (just like with BRAL). Focusing on Q400s and E195s makes more sense from a scale perspective. Not sure if they can order more E195s fast enough if that were the case. Personally, I'd rather fly the E195 than a junky old 737-300. Looks like they are trying to buy more market share (article mentions consolidation).

[embraerFObmi]

It was mentioned in one press article that the monopolies and mergers commission are getting interested as the proposed purchase of bmi regional would mean that flybe has the largest regional airline by far. Loganair, Bacon and Bmi regional routes - surely it will only be Eastern left as competition on a regional basis?

It seems strange to me that bmir have just taken delivery of an ex flybe 145 for what may turn out to be a very short period of time. Also recently promoting 6 Fos to captain and recruiting 6 new FOs. Understandably any high levels of spending at the moment (ie type ratings, training, recruitment and upgrade courses) has to be signed off by head office in Donnington. Therefore surely this wouldnt have been sanctioned if it was known of an imminent sale of bmir, that would result in possible redundancies/re type rating. Unless flymaybe want to keep the 145s until new aircraft arrive and hence need new bmir crews, or maybe management knew nothing of this possible sale - which i find odd as it has been a rumour on the internet for over a year, including pprune.

any ex bacon drivers on here want to tell me what the crash8 is like to fly and how flybe treat you in general?
is it true that you are pay frozen until you catch up with flybes pay scales? i.e no payrises!!

Anyone hear when netjets are recruiting again.....?

[ballyctid]

embraerFObmi.

I'm not sure if it's the same for you drivers, as an ex BACON engineer I left when Fly(may)Be took over for the simple reason that I would not have recieved a pay rise for 3 years due to being "red ringed". I couldn't live with that and obviously couldn't afford it.

Fly(may)Be destroyed a fantastic base and bunch of Manchester engineers and will probably do the same if the Bmir take over goes through.

As for the service FlyBe provide, I actually think its good, I have flown with them many times in the course of my new job.

I feel for the ex BACON engineers that jumped to Bmir when the take over took place and now face the same problems.

[avrodamo]

Flybe have operated 737s previously. They damp leased 3 in from Astreus a few years back to do the med work.

Photos: Boeing 737-36N Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Flybe---British/Boeing-737-36N/1253280&tbl=photo_info&photo_nr=2&sok=WHERE__%28aircraft_generic_LIKE_%27Boeing_737%25%27%29_A ND_%28airline_LIKE_%27Flybe_-_British_European%25%27%29_&sort=_order_by_photo_id_DESC_&prev_id=1323729&next_id=1221438)

[Grizzle]

embraerFObmi.

Rumour from the EXT jungle drums is that you will not need to worry about Fly(may)be or the crash 8.

Flybe are interested in some of the routes but have no interest in either of the airframes or the drivers.

Should save you any trauma - unless you need the job :)

Ballyctid

They have now got an excellent engineering base at MAN with some of your ex colleagues returning from the greener grass - for some reason.

[tom the dog]

flyhigh2fly,firstly I would like to think our management would tell us before the press, there are too many of us concerned for our futures. Secondly, surely nothing, if anything can happen before January when LH take control so I cannot see how due dil can already be underway.

As for flybe, I agree that they have some very canny leaders. I have seen their top man on tv and he seems a sharp cookie. Also 2 of their directors are I believe ex-bmi, from Derby and unusually for directors are said to be well respected and are very good at what they do. It might not be the worse thing for us if they do actually take us over.
ttd

[Deep and fast]

Any idea where G EMBX is? The rumour is that it's up in Aberdeen!

That would be 2 ex Bacon barbies

D and F

[OltonPete]

Deep & fast

G-EMBX is Manchester based at present per acarsd

Today it has done MAN-BRU-MAN-DUS-MAN.

Seems to have been at Manchester for a while.

Noticed bhx's next two based Q400's have crept forward.

The next one is 19/12/08 (was Jan 2009) and 20/2/08 (was March 09)
although this is info is from the flybe timetable, which I have not checked
for a couple of months.

Summer schedules to be released this week?

Pete

[tallseabird]

Any ideas when Flybe will release their BHD-EXT flights for next summer?

[stormin norman]

No smoke without



BMI British Midland has warned its staff that it will suffer the largest loss in its history this year.

Chief executive Nigel Turner told staff the group had to restructure as it seeks “to ride out what is probably the worst crisis the aviation industry has faced”.

He warned that the airline, which is shortly to be taken over by Lufthansa, expected to remain in loss in 2009 despite “further aggressive action on costs”. BMI would be "in intensive care for some considerable time", he said.

Turner told staff: “The combination of falling consumer demand and increases to costs in areas wholly outside of our control, like airport charges, makes our task extremely difficult.”

He also warned staff they should expect little relief from the Lufthansa takeover, which is expected to be completed in mid-January.

“Be under no illusions, they will not be prepared to sit back and watch us lose money,” he said. “They will, and do, expect us to reshape the business to remove unprofitable flying to the greatest extent possible.”

BMI would freeze pay in 2010, he said, and the directors would have no pay increase in 2009

[Little Blue]

.........and your point would be, exactly?

[Wycombe]

In management-speak, I believe that is known as "preparing the ground". I'd call it setting expectations and prior justification that change is needed.

Same in any business.

[Toastal]

Edi/Gla to Gatwick 4 times a day commencing early next year, serious contenders for bmir/baby, is there any stopping them?

T:suspect:

[froghansa]

Would anybody be able to tell me if Flybe will have BES in their summer sked.Am interested ! THANKS :)

[Skipness One Echo]

is there any stopping them?

Not until BA get their hands on them !
*chuckles manically and strokes small cat*

[idlejack]

Flybe.com - News (http://www.flybe.com/news/0812/2968.htm)

[Persimmon]

Summer 09 flights just released. From my booking confirmation, it seems that baggage allowance has been cut to 15kg

[Waveman]

Looks like the Norwich base has gone.

[Drink Up Thee Cider]

Looks like the Norwich base has gone


Reading the Flybe website, their press release makes it look like there's a third batch of new routes being announced on Thursday, so it would make sense to wait til then, I'd have thought. Interesting tactic in releasing routes in tranches.

Changing the subject, Manston is interesting - perhaps there's life in the garden of England yet!

[EXTFlybe]

Summer 09 flights just released. From my booking confirmation, it seems that baggage allowance has been cut to 15kg

Nope. 20 for Economy, 30 for Economy Plus, no change there. Might be worth dropping an email to [email protected] ([email protected]) if your confirmation is wrong.

[lfc84]

I've just made lots of reservations for next summer now they have released the schedules.

Also, well done flybe for sorting out a problem with one of my bookings :ok:

[racedo]

Interesting tactic in releasing routes in tranches.

Ezy and FR does this as well. I think this is so as not to overload the website in one go as clearly a change like this can go wrong.

Better to do it slowly and properly than all in a rush and have it crash. Lets face it 2-3 day staged launch for flights 6-9 months away is not unreasonable.

[cheesycol]

Toastal - what's your source? No mention of these routes that I can find.

Also Baby don't operate to London and Regional only do so as a slot holder for mainline.

[WrinklyPrune]

Maybe you are booked on a Loganair sector?

[EXTFlybe]

No, Loganair are now in line with Flybe for economy baggage allowance.

[NickBarnes]

Very Interesting that Norwich is the only place i think that it's summmer 09 flights have not been released!

either they have decieded to leave Norwich, but would have thought that we would have heard that today in the local press etc

so one can presume that it does mean Norwich is going to get a new route or two:ok:

and from what i read in the Norwich Evening news it says that there is speculation that there could be Aberdeen

but reading this Evening News 24 - New flights from Norwich airport in spring (http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/search/story.aspx?brand=ENOnline&category=News&itemid=NOED28%20Nov%202008%2013:19:07:177&tBrand=ENOnline&tCategory=search)

Departing manager Mr Jenner said he was already in talks with a number of airlines that he hopes will be ready to announce new routes out of the city early next year. He said we could expect to see restored holiday flights to Tenerife and Alicante, as well as European cities such as Paris and Brussels, and the restoration of internal flights to Glasgow and southwest England

the only airline i can see doing this above is Flybe:ok:

[Love_joy]

The Flybe on-line timetable wont let you go any further than MAR 09, any idea of or chance of new routes to and from Dublin. Someone needs to fill the shiney new T2 that no one wants!

I'd be hugely interested in this from BHX or MAN, however Flybe wont start on something where the competition is already fierce. BHX has FR and EI on the route already - so thats never going to happen

[Cloud1]

I dont think Flybe will expand too much at DUB to be honest as it is not one of their main ports, with only 2-3 services operating. I think LGW feature in their next announcement but where to I dont know - had a massive sign up at LGW South terminal though where the EZY one use to be.

[leccy]

Taken from Channel Tv website 3 Dec 08:

Flybe is to start direct services this summer to Inverness, Dundee and Manston Airport in Kent.

The airline's schedule will also see the return of their sun flights to Nice as well as their services to Aberdeen, Belfast, Doncaster, Glasgow and Southend.

Flybe's services to Dublin and Manchester will be taking off again from Guernsey as well as flights to Birmingham, Exeter, Jersey, London Gatwick and Southampton.

[J-Guy]

The new Flybe routes appear to be taking over a few more of the normal charter flights that VLM normally operate. Inverness operated last summer with Flybe as a charter, so no surprises it has become a scheduled route.

There are a few other developments on other routes including:

Birmingham: Increase from 2 > 3 daily on M/W/F/Su and from 3 > 4 Sa

Cardiff: Increase from 3 > 4 weekly

Doncaster: Increase from 2 > 4 weekly

Manchester: Reduction from 2 > 1 daily (weekdays). The aircraft will operate a number of flights on a ‘W’ pattern during the day that the third based aircraft operated last summer, similar to this winter.

Newcastle: Increase from 4 > 5 weekly

Nice returns, Paris is retained, and there are a few other minor changes in capacity. I think Norwich is still to be released and obviously Luton is a possibility. So overall it's yet more Q400s :ok:

Aer Arann have also announced the return of Cork.

[wacky]

It has been confirmed that the Norwich base will close from the end of the winter season.
As predicted.
:ugh:
See also this link on cabin crew forum (http://www.pprune.org/cabin-crew/353547-flybe-norwich-staff-base-closing.html)

[uncovered]

Thoughts go to those effected. Good luck.

On the Corporate front it looks like they are restructuring a loss making operational base rather than something bigger. I think theres only one route lost and only 1% of staff effected with the planes moved to the other end of the route. A sign of the times when somebody that is still as profitable as Flybe has to do this.

[HMN851X]

Anyone know when summer 09 are on sale

[davidjohnson6]

I thought IOM S09 flights had already gone on sale ?

[lfc84]

not hard to check is it ? :ugh:

[fokker]

Uncovered,

Let's not get all doom and gloom here. It's not a sign of the times or anything else. Flybe put a lot of time and effort into making NWI a viable base, starting a couple of years ago or more. It's always been an uphill struggle and they've now taken the decision that it isn't going to work. The Company's nothing if not agile and planning continued growth next year.

Thoughts go to those with bases there of course - it's going to be tough for them. But my understanding is that there are jobs for all of them elsewhere in the network. Good luck all.

Oh, and it's affected, not effected. ;)

[kellyoldsmunt]

the jersey route from MSE is hopefully a start of something bigger. EUjet proved that certain routes are viable from manston, despite what some of the doom-mungers say.

[Vuelo]

BE to announce MAN-MAD/VIE/LYS apparently. True?

[jongeman]

fokker,

Company has a small c, and it should be "It's neither a sign of the times nor anything else." I jest. :)

[TechProblem]

Another 145 is put to bed, GEMBU is now WFU in EXT.

[G SXTY]

As one of those at NWI whose job is now officially "at risk", I couldn't really care less whether I'm affected, effected, or how big the letter C is in "company." :hmm:

[Bearpit]

If the NWI base is closing, and sympathy to all those affected, does this mean that the Q400 fleet based at EDI increases. How many are based in EDI?

[GoEDI]

Currently 4 Q400 and 1 E195 at EDI, but from what I can see there are 6 morning departures from EDI now that NWI will be EDI based, which would suggest another based Q400.
However, nothing else has been added (other than NWI) to suggest that extra aircraft would be required so hopefully there's still more to come.

[01475]

Sorry to hear about NWI if it's true :( Though not entirely surprised after the effort the airport went to to try and create bad publicity for them.

[flyer55]

Are they likely to take over BA domestic routes from LGW ?

[mad_bob]

Just to add to the mix.
It fits in with the BA announcement, they are withdrawing 4 Aircraft from LGW....

There`s been a huge rumour floating around the company for ages about flybe aspirations at LGW. Its been a while since the last big one came out of Exeter. Traditionally its every 6 to 8 months a whopper from Devon comes out and supprises all insundry.....Me thinks we are well over due the next bit of hot poop :suspect:

[cheesycol]

Q400 only base methinks, at least initially.

[tristar500]

BA still have a stake in flybe. BA should put it to use more effectively. flybe have the capacity and availability to take on the LGW work and let BA focus on LHR and T5. Its work more suited to flybe with the aircraft they operate - especially UK domestic and certain short-haul European routes.

LGW to GLA/EDI looks likely to be a candidate (ABZ and NCL already are)

[Bearpit]

BA already announced route reductions that cover the a/c exiting, e.g. DUB and ZRH both go, so can't see EDI or GLA featuring. Much bigger than either ABZ or NCL.

[DeltaIndiaSierraPapa]

True enough, BA do hold a stake but it is not a controlling stake. They are just along for the ride financially. Flybe are under no obligation to do any of BA's bidding.

[Pizzaro]

3 Q400's to be based at LGW.

[Tonyq]

Pizzaro - That's not a terribly helpful or credible comment without a source or some other information such as date, routes or rationale.:=

Please elucidate:ok:

[LGW_08R]

With BA to announce LCY-MAN, does anyone else think this is them saying, bye bye on the LGW route? Perfect for BE in my opinion.

[Fullrecline]

Pizzaro is quite right, LGW becoming a base with 3 Q400 to start with. As for routes and times, no idea. I can't see many new routes, if any, just existing ones that will soon be able to benefit from earlier departures...

[uncovered]

Understand new routes being planned for IOM-BHD and IOM-BLK. Was new news to us today. Maybe it's the Balfour Beatty link creating the BLK service.

[lfc84]

BLK ??? A Manx2 route at present....

That might be in response to this

Isle of Man Patients to Receive Broadened Air Transfer Service to UK - Isle of Man Airport Website (http://www.gov.im/airport/enquiries/ViewNews.gov?page=lib/news/dhss/isleofmanpatient.xml&menuid=11570)

[turboprop flyer]

Yes there will be 3 Q400's based in LGW from summer 09' however by the look of it there will be no crew base initially, the aircraft will be crewed by people on nightstops for the initial part of the summer at least whilst the based aircraft are deemed to be viable. As other guys have mentioned there is no indication of routes as of yet but wont be long until all is disclosed I'm sure. Hopefully a ray of light for the guys who recently received their unfortunate news up in NWI.

[cornishsimon]

NQY-LGW route now confirmed and bookable via flybe.com, doubt very much if it will be with a LGW based aircraft as the first rotation leaves NQY at 0725 and first from LGW is 0930, perhaps an aircraft to be based at NQY??

weekdays- NQY-LGW:
0725-0830, 1430-1535, 1820-1925

weekdays- LGW-NQY:
0930-1035, 1605-1710, 1955-2100

[ajamieson]

I gather Flybe are to try LGW-NQY (summer only) and will compete with Air Southwest on price. Well they certainly couldn't compete on service!

[GROUNDHOG]

29.99 each way apparantly for LGW/NQY which is probably less than the cost of driving or going by train. Great news, I for one will be delighted to see Flybe do this route and will use it, not sure Sutton Harbour Holdings will be having such a Happy Christmas though.

[ajamieson]

What is different about the route now Flybe are on it that you wouldn't fly it using a more reputable, year-round operator?

Will be interested to see how many seats are available at £60 return.

[GROUNDHOG]

easy - 20/02 NQy/LGW/NQY it will cost me twice as much to fly with ASW as Flybe so there is no contest. As for service if I were flying long haul I would care but on such a short flight only punctuality matters and I have no reason to think Flybe are any worse than ASW in this respect, but I guess someone will tell me different!!

[Wycombe]

the first rotation leaves NQY at 0725 and first from LGW is 0930, perhaps an aircraft to be based at NQY??


Perhaps the a/c starts and ends it's day at EXT?

Bet ASW are pleased that Flybe won't be able to get in PLH?

[ajamieson]

Of course you are free to exercise your choice, but if everyone follows your example there is a risk ASW will disappear altogether, leaving Cornwall with a useless summer-only service (which, you can bet, will cost a darn site more than £60 return) to a single destination.

You will find that Flybe is one of the least reliable airlines in the sky (or, more accurately, on the ground). It does not give a stuff about NQY or Cornwall beyond trying to find itself monopoly routes on which it can gouge passengers with outrageous fares.

Enjoy your flight!

[uncovered]

AJamieson- You are under an illusion, the flight is year round not summer only, just heard Rutter (Flybe CCO) interviewed on Radio.

[Rubber Duck]

It is also a based aircraft at NQY.

[aeulad]

What of these 3 DH4 to be based at LGW? Any news on where they will be flying? Dundee maybe? Early Isle of Man, Jersey or Newcastle out of LGW? Euro destinations like Amsterdam? Paris? Surely they can't be thinking of using them to EDI and GLA, they would b E95 routes no?

Regards

Mike

[Cloud1]

Could not agree more WingoWango - everyone is entitled to an opinion, sadly even those that talk absolute drivel. Just a quick look at stats show they are not the worst airline in terms of reliability and punctuality but rarely would someone like ajamieson care to look at facts before posting :=

[LGW_08R]

Interesting, NQY-LGW was an ex BA route!

Perhaps the rumors are slowly coming true

[RED WINGS]

Are ASW more reliable? If so I guess it must be they have a better maintainance provider! Hmm lets wonder which provider is that?

[airhumberside]

There is a gap in the schedule betwee the 1st and 2nd NQY-LGW flights. Is the aircraft likely to be doing something in this gap, such as EDI, or a new route from Newquay?

[cornishsimon]

yes i would say that if they fly to schedule that there is time for one return hop between the 1035 arrival at NQY from LGW and the 1435 departure.

does this fit in with the pre published schedule for EDI etc ? or could we see something else ? doubt very much that they will potentially leave a q400 sat on the ground at NQY for 4 hours ?

[Serenity]

Flybe announces intention to grow substantially at London Gatwick

So here comes the take over of the BA routes at LGW!!
Apart from the centre of the Conrnish universe, any ideas where could be next??
Paris, Geneva, Amsterdam????

[eastern wiseguy]

Understand new routes being planned for IOM-BHD

Just whats needed MORE capacity on this route. They didn't make it work before why would it be different now?

[dublindispatch]

Strong rumours that one route may be the BA LGW-DUB which is getting pulled in Mar 09, according to some flightdeck crew in DUB

[BAladdy]

dublindispatch somehow I think with FR operating 6 x daily and EI with BA Codesharing operating up to 6 x daily to DUB if BE went onto the route I don't think they could compete with the 2 Irish carriers fares.

LGW 08R - Regarding the MAN/LCY route where exactly has this info come from?. I doubt very much it will be coming soon as BACF don't have enough aircraft to cover their existing operation since Flightline went under.

Serenity- I can see them doing CDG and maybe BA giving them AMS but BA will never give up GVA totally the suspension of the LGW/GVA is summer only as BA makes alot of money on the route through the winter.

Cornishsimon - When it comes to the gap between 10:35 and 14:30 there wouldn't be enough time for the aircraft to go NQY/EDI/NQY. Say they did want to put the EDI in there. It would mean the flight would:

Depart NQY 11:00 Land EDI 12:40 then Depart EDI 13:05 Land NQY 14:50

So unless they change the 14:30 to a 15:15 departure. However it could go from NQY to JER,LBA and DUB in competition with WO. They could also operate to DCA, MAN, BHX, CWL, LTN, NWI, GCI, LPL, BES, RNS and at a push CDG in the time available. Also not forgeting they could add and extra LGW rotation. I guess only time will tell

[iwak]

well I think the embraer would be perfect for daily gatwick to knock. Considering that easyjet and Ryanair done well on the route when both of them operated it and Bearing in mind the economic downturn the embraer would be the ideal aircraft.

[cornishsimon]

BAladdy

Cornishsimon - When it comes to the gap between 10:35 and 14:30 there wouldn't be enough time for the aircraft to go NQY/EDI/NQY. Say they did want to put the EDI in there. It would mean the flight would:

Depart NQY 11:00 Land EDI 12:40 then Depart EDI 13:05 Land NQY 14:50

So unless they change the 14:30 to a 15:15 departure. However it could go from NQY to JER,LBA and DUB in competition with WO. They could also operate to DCA, MAN, BHX, CWL, LTN, NWI, GCI, LPL, BES, RNS and at a push CDG in the time available. Also not forgeting they could add and extra LGW rotation. I guess only time will tell


It would certainly be nice to see the aircraft do something in the time available, and would be nice to see it do a route not currently served from NQY, especially one not currently served by WOW.

LTN would be a good addition, which is a route served very briefly in the past.

RNS,BES,LPL AND GCI would all be nice to see, but i suspect the at LPL would do fairly well considering the expected growth in UK holidays and especially as this is not currently served from NQY

[mathers_wales_uk]

It would be nice to see a CWL-NQY service operated by Flybe as it was operated in the past by ASW and last years service by skybus was very appaling.

[cornishsimon]

would the loads fill a q400 in each direction between CWL and NQY? after all WOW couldnt fill a dh8-300 could they ?

[bravoromeosierra]

Can't see it happening- there has to be something more worthwhile than Cardiff. And even then there isn't alot!

[Dash-7 lover]

It's true what Mike Coombes says - Flybe are unreliable and spout a load of crap about being the airline for the South West when they currently don't operate a single route out of NQY. Mind you everyone panicked when BA jumped on the route although it was once a day but their loads were mostly in the 20's. When BA were full it made no difference to ASW as it was only 120+ passengers more than they couldn't carry as they were also full!

The only saving grace is that the Q400 crosswind limits are more restricted than the 300 so lets hope for a windy spring!!

[Devonair]

Dash - 7: Flybe operate more routes from the South West than Air Southwest by a long way.... From EXT they fly to 22 destinations, including CDG and AMS

[Cyclone733]

If the support infrastructure is now in place then there is no reason why flybe shouldn't be able to increase it's prescence in it's local region and provide a regular and competitive service.

Hopefully the days of having to watch the fuel being checked for water before uplifting are long gone. Along with comments like "We only seem to get water in the bowsers when it rains"

As for crosswind limits, the Q400s can just land across the runway at NQY, it's wide enough.

[RED WINGS]

DASH7 I dont think 3 KTS is gonna make a huge difference, you tell me your the ops bod ;)

[Cloud1]

Another example of what can only be described as complete muppet. No fact just a load of bull.

Dash 7 lover, clearly you are unaware of the size of Flybe. Air Southwest are the 'joke' when it comes to routes. EXT handle their diversions, Flybe do their maintenance at EXT but how many routes do they offer??? 0 from Exeter. So much for your Air 'Southwest'. So before you pipe on think before you type.

Cyclone 733 - agreed. There is also very little reasoning as to why the two airlines cannot work alongside each other on the route. If ASW offer such a great service which people make out, they will have nothing to worry about. I must admit it would be far nicer for NQY to have routes not currently served but with the number of BE routes at LGW there are many connections which may be of use to the business traveller.

[davidjohnson6]

Anyone care to explain the rationale for Flybe opening up at Humberside ?

[Count von Altibar]

What's happening with the due diligence for purchase of bmibaby/regional? Have heard flybe have walked away from it?

[Coffin Corner]

How can something happen to the "never was" ?

Don't believe everything you read

[mathers_wales_uk]

What i can see, is their not really opening up as such. Flybe are operating JER-HUY-JER on a JER based A/C as a saturday only.

Just a new route from Flybe at the moment.

[jerboy]

JER-HUY-JER Is a charter. It operates every summer, most recently by VLM & WOW (perhaps BACX in the past... not sure).

[cornishsimon]

What's happening with the due diligence for purchase of bmibaby/regional? Have heard flybe have walked away from it?



If this is true perhaps ba cityflyer will take a look at regional ?

[cheesycol]

Flybe, nor anyone else, would be able to acquire Regional and/or Baby from Lufty until Lufty actually own the majority of the BMI group. That won't be until Jan, so things may or may not happen then.

[aeulad]

HUY-JER may have been a charter in the past, but the new BE service will be a scheduled service.

Regards

Mike

[Biff Baff Boff]

Actually, it is a bit of both

The majority of seats on each route will be sold by C. I. Travel Group as part of its tour operation to the Channel Islands through well-established holiday brands including Airways Holidays, Discover Jersey & Lewis’s; the remaining seats being sold direct to travellers by Flybe

from the Flybe website

[Cloud1]

We seem to have launched a few new routes to destinations which would not neccesarily be at the top of my guessing list.

All routes so far were operated I believe by VLM last year so have VLM pulled out of the charter contract for Jersey?? They have operated the Manston, Dundee, Humberside services before albeit on an all charter basis.

[rogervisual]

cloud 1 , you should remember that size does not matter, it is how you use it. :) and Exeter only take ASW diversions as second choice if NQY is not available.
As for the two airlineS working together along side each other,Get real they are only starting the NQY - GAT route to steal the ASW passengers and if ASW pull out they will put up the prices and the public will suffer in the long run. But thats business , its dog eat dog out there and all about surviving the next couple of years.

By the way why do most people refer to flybe as "FLYMAYBE" ;)

[Cyclone733]

Well why else would you divert other than if your primary (NQY) was unavailable?
Why do most people call it flymaybe? Because most people haven't heard of Air South West and therefore haven't bothered thinking up a nickname perhaps?

[J-Guy]

As expected, Flybe are to re-establish flights between Jersey and Luton from March 29. The service will operate 3 times weekly (Tu/Th/Su) with an additional Saturday flight from May 24.

Flybe will altogether serve 23 destinations from Jersey during summer 2009.

[devon_guy]

I see on the website EXT-FRA has been loaded but no flights come up or prices. A new route to be announced perhaps?

[airhumberside]

Or it could be a connection, say through MAN?

[devon_guy]

As I said, it shows as a valid route but no times/prices so no idea if it's a connecting one or not. Looks like LGW is going to get flights to FRA with BE though from the summer timetable.

[ALLMCC]

Had a look at Flybes website today. Are the summer 09 flights from BHD - JER no longer direct as in previous years? All the dates I looked at including Saturdays showed connecting flights via other bases.

[Cloud1]

From online timetable:

BE1135BHDJER09:5511:30Flybe

[stolport]

Isn't it a bit of a long expensive option to take 10.5 hours to get from EXT to GLA? If you look at the booking engine for travel say on 20/1 it gives the option of flying EXT to EDI, connect to Stornoway and then back down to GLA. All for £229.09.

[devon_guy]

There is however one daily direct flight every day which there has always been.

[Cloud1]

Hmmm not sure about the website issue - dont think many people will be interested in that (unless they need to visit all 3 destinations in the same day that is!!)

[Yak97]

Published in the CAA OF2 this week:

The following application has been received:
GTB 28 Flybe Limited to vary the conditions of its licence to operate passenger and cargo flights between GUERNSEY and JERSEY

What are Flybe after & how will it affect Aurigny/Blue Islands? Is it a go at Blue Islands because of the ATR42 on SOU?

[Cloud1]

I doubt Flybe was thinking ooo lets have a go at Blue Islands. They are so small compared to some of their competitors I dont think Flybe give a monkeys what Blue Islands do to be honest.

Flybe have operated inter-island flights for a long time with pax being able to book between JER/GCI on the BE501 BHX service and BE312 Exeter services. The adjustment, the cargo element, is being looked in to at a number of Flybe destinations where there isn't already an agreement in place.

[EI-BUD]

I doubt Flybe was thinking ooo lets have a go at Blue Islands


Cloud1, it would seem logical that Flybe should not give a monkeys as to what BlueIslands are doing and the same logic could be applied to airlines like AirSouthwest, Euromanx, Aurigny at one point or another but sadly they do seem to target smaller airlines. The recent application to operate Newquay Gatwick is doom for AirSouthwest and Flybe are prepared to take a loss for a while until AirSouthwest axe the route?

Flybe are great at going into to Bully small carriers and them seem to be fixated in controlling some of the smaller airports eg Exeter, Southampton, and Newquay is high on the list it would seem.

Lets hope that your estimation is right!!!

EI-BUD

[JobsaGoodun]

The airline industry is a large school playground and inevitably it's full of bullies. What I find bizarre is that some on here believe this only happens at one level.

Business is business and it's survival of the fittest. Never has this been more evident when you look at the highstreet! The online firms have bullied Woolworths on price and service, they couldn't compete and now they're gone! Given the state of the market, Flybe will seek to stregthen it's business in whatever way possible. Unfortunately when any business does this it will often be to the detriment of another, this is what competition does. If Flybe become complacent or don't deliver what they promise then the gap will exist for another carrier to form and come in underneath them, in the same way as Flybe will with AirSouthwest!

Did we all sit and complain about poor old BA when Easyjet started to kill them on the domestics? Did they do the same in Ireland when Ryanair did exactly the same to Aer Lingus? No, we celebrated these events in the interests of competition. You can't have it both ways! Will AirSouthwest, Eastern and others be around next year, maybe, maybe not but where one airline fails, it makes another stronger, and the world just keeps on turning!:}:}

[judge11]

We also know the perils to the consumer of monopoly situations and it would appear that flybe is dangerously close to that status in the UK's domestic market. Despite Cloud 1's protestations to the contrary, history shows that flybe is a predatory company that has, in the past 2 years, built critical mass to overpower whoever it decides to set its sights upon. The anti-competition argument is, perhaps, the only recourse the small regional airlines will be able to use against flybe expansion/domination.

[Love_joy]

Flybe is setting a precident with this one, cuddling their nervous passengers in uncertain times - maybe signalling the return of some frills to low cost travellers;

Flybe.com - Book with confidence (http://www.flybe.com/cover/default.htm)

[Wellington Bomber]

Love Joy

All they have done is increase the fares by about £10 to cover the insurance. I think they call it spin to cover the bad times.

Or am I just being cynical

[cornishsimon]

Anyone have any further information regarding Flybe's plans in or out of NQY?

is the aircraft just going to sit on the ground at NQY between the 2nd and the 3rd NQY-LGW rotation ?

any other suggestions for what they want to do at NQY ?

[Cloud1]

What will the Marketing Department think of next for their next marketing campaign :rolleyes:

No news on NQY yet- I think they will have to make do with Gatwick for the time being

[emb-145]

Any word on the promised new routes out of LGW for Summer 09?

[fokker]

Nope. Still waiting for Board level confirmation.

The guys pushed out of Norwich have a special interest in seeing this sorted. Good luck all.

Oh, and the tasteless redundancy cover thing has gone, too, I think.

[Cyclone733]

Oh, and the tasteless redundancy cover thing has gone, too, I think.

Still on the website, just not thumped down your throat in huge lettering when the page first opens

[Pizzaro]

What's tasteless in taking the worry out of booking flights for some people who might be worried about their jobs !!!!!

P

[Maverick8701]

Excellent idea about Redundancy cover does anybody know if any other airlines will/have adopted this?

Secondly still says on the Flybe website "Flybe announces intention to grow substantially at London Gatwick"Although this was back in Dec any news?

[BALLOO53]

Flybe growing at Gatwick?

Is this something to do with Flybe taking over some of the B.A. routes that they are dropping or have dropped?

[airhumberside]

On reply 180 of this thread, posted on Tuesday, Fokker posts:

Still waiting for Board level confirmation.

[Aeromaniac]

Deafeningly quiet, something coming soon prehaps??? :hmm:

[Maverick8701]

Good point very little coming out of BE thesedays. Anybody heard of any deals in the offing?

BMI Regional / Air Southwest / Eastern / Aer Arran etc?

Or would they rather them go bust and cherry pick the bits they want.

Any comments?

[iwhak]

Maverick......as a new member of just over a month........I have a comment........mods please remove him..........oh and by the way :mad:

[cornishsimon]

BMI Regional / Air Southwest / Eastern / Aer Arran etc?

Or would they rather them go bust and cherry pick the bits they want.

Any comments?

plenty of comments! but ill behave!

why is it that people seem to think that WOW etc are likely to go bust? from what i understand they seem to be doing fairly well on some good routes

[Maverick8701]

Thought this was a rumour network?? What's wrong with discussing rumours?

[cornishsimon]

it is! but some source for the rumour would be good!

otherwise it could just be someone sitting behind a computer stirring things up or making things up!

[Maverick8701]

Cornish Simon,

Fair enough good point made. Was just looking for conversation on the topic.

[GCILover]

I see that as from june there will be a 6th weekday flight on the GCI/LGW route. The rotation is going to start in LGW departing there at 1530L.

Any idea where the aircraft is going to be based that is operating these flights. Could it be one of the rumoured LGW based aircraft.

[Maverick8701]

"Guernsey - London Gatwick route boosted by 6th daily flight
Flybe is adding a sixth daily flight on our popular Guernsey to London Gatwick service."

Sorry no advertisment intended just confirming story.

[Grand yahoo]

Hey maverick.............no advertisments allowed on this site read the rules before posting.

[johnnychips]

Anybody see the FlyBE ad on the back page of the Guardian, which I expect would have been in other quality dailies as well?It featured a large map of Britain showing where FlyBE operate from. But there were some problems: London Gatwick and Manston Kent were transposed and both ended up north of the Thames anyway. London Southend is now in the wilds of Suffolk. Norwich has gone for a trip to the seaside and is using Happisburgh lighthouse as the control tower. Liverpool, tired of its scouse image, has reopened in Chester, changing its target market from the Brookside scallies to the Hollyoaks wannabees. Humberside has travelled north over the bridge to Beverley. Doncaster, presumably piqued by Shaheen's pull-out last year, has migrated to Bradford. Leeds has drifted northwards and will now be known as 'Wallace and Grommit Wensleydale Leeds Bradford International Airport' (If Peel owned it, this wouldn't be that far-fetched). Hope the pilots are better informed than the cartographers!

[Chesty Morgan]

Well, it's a good job we use FMS, IRS, GPS, ILS, NDB and VOR to navigate then.:rolleyes:

[RVF750]

And if all that fails, my Tom Tom works reasonably well up there too, ahem.:uhoh:

[G SXTY]

If it's a nice day I might even look out of the window as well.

[iwhak]

I don't think maverick has read any rules on the use of this site.......promoting BE and trying to start rumours on competitors, surprised he's gettin away with it!

[Cloud1]

I fail to see how Maverick can be penalised for his post when it had already been commented on. Many things are posted on Pprune which could be considered advertising, depending on which way you look at it. I am not saying it is correct but he knows now so lay off the guy.

johnnychips - Lol! Doesn't surprise me, it has happened before. Although I have to ask myself why would the paper publish a faulty map. Loving your analysis though - very comical :ok:

[uncovered]

ATW have just announced Flybe as Global Regional Airline of the year. Only the second British winner in 35 years and even more remarkably the only British winner across 12 catagories in the last 7 years. Well done to the Exeter Massive!

[Jetgate]

Excellent news during this doom and gloom.....:cool:


ATW Daily News (http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=15420)

[flyer55]

Is their another announcement about flybe @ LGW

[Cloud1]

I wouldn't have thought it would be too much longer - that is of course providing the Board have approved any expansion. Not sure whether it is a good time to expand or not.....

[RVF750]

We really should discuss this on the Flybe locked part of the forum. Things like the date of the next board room meeting where the LGW decision will be finalised should not be put out on this thread. Let's go over there for anything that might involve company sensitive info.

It should cetainly sort the genuine cofolk from the sh*tstirrers......

[GCILover]

Have hearda rumour through a member of staff that they have cancelled an order for 5 aircraft. Not sure whether Q400 or E195

[Cloud1]

Hi Dash&Thump

Which post confirms the date of the Board meeting? I can't see anything (unless it has been removed) and therefore I see no reason why this cannot be discussed here? I am not trying to be a nuisance, just curious as I make a real effort not to discuss 'sensitive' information on here, only the stuff already out in the open ;)

[jethro15]

Have heard
a rumour through a member of staff that they have cancelled an order for 5 aircraft. Not sure whether Q400 or E195
Current outstanding order status without any alleged cancelations and including today's DASH delivery stands at:

Dash 8-402 16 On order - 15 further options
EMB 190-200 On Order 02 - 12 further options

jethro's UK and Ireland Airline Fleet Listings (http://www.jethros.eu)

[Tyreplug]

CEO French & friend Strong in Canada this week meeting Bombardier. Could only be to buy or cancel Q400s!

[mad_bob]

Or just going for a few nights on the p!ss...... :E

[ALLMCC]

Flybe's website now shows routes between BHD and IOM, BHD and BLK and IOM and BLK all being Loganair franchise routes. Looks as though BHD - IOM is bookable but the others aren't, as yet. Unfortunately, the less than user friendly timetable doesn't show when the flights start. Anyone any more info?

[arnoldk]

I can't see any mention of Blackpool??

[tallaonehotel]

Early May for the BLK-IOM-BHD route.
ABZ-CWL daily from mid April.....

[lfc84]

http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airports-routes/248587-blackpool-2-a-53.html#post4689964

[MIKECR]

Announcement here on Flybe's website - Flybe.com - News (http://www.flybe.com/news/0902/3045.htm)

I wonder if Logie will be needing more aircraft.

[Cloud1]

Tyreplug - not true.

CEO in Washington collecting award - this takes us to Friday and then back in Exeter for the weekend.

[Maverick8701]

Anybody know if the bad weather has affected the flybe network too much? LGW etc?

Just like to congratulate everybody at the company on ATW award....a good piece of news in tough times!

M

[dalej123]

Flybe are saying that they are cheaper than Air Southwest.

Air Southwest from 8th April is starting a new route from Plymouth - Guernsey. Flybe do that route from Norwich.

The same dates:

Air Southwest- £103
Flybe - £203.12


When flybe say there are cheaper
Don't believe them

[Spotter LBA]

Can this thread be moved to the flybe thread and not be on its own?

[Cyclone733]

dalej123,

Your point being different routes have different prices?

You need to look at the directly competing routes to get an idea of price. Last time I checked Norwich isn't anywhere near Plymouth so you'd expect the cost to be different.

What are Exeter to Guernsey flight costs with flybe? (slightly more relevant)

First thing tomorrow morning £61.39, seems like flybe are cheaper on that single sample. Not bad for a last minute flight

[Maverick8701]

Firstly surley this should be in the Flybe thread??

Secondly how can you compare prices on different routes?? last time i checked plymouth-gci and nwi-gci are totally different routes!! The airport charges etc can be different. But I suspect the main difference is that Flybe's seats have been on sale for months so therefore more seats sold = higher fares whereas I guess air southwest have just gone on sale so their cheapest fares available?

Last point as far as I can remember flybe have never promised to be cheaper than air southwest on all routes i remember something about offering lower fares on the LGW NQY route only but not an all round pledge.

Am I understanding your post correctly? Seems to have no point to it?

M

[cheesycol]

I bet you could find a cheaper fare from LON-AMS than EDI-AMS, or even LON-BOS than MAN-BOS.

Ar least compare apples with apples, or even pairs with pairs ;)

[GayFriendly]

When flybe say there are cheaper


Never trust anyone who confuses there and they're :ugh: My six year old nephew could do better than that!

[cheesycol]

At the risk of a flaming, as this is a medium where communication is via the written word, is it not unreasonable to expect a decent standard of spelling, punctuation and grammar? Anyway, back to Flybe.

[Grizzle]

is it not unreasonable to expect a decent standard of spelling

Cheesycol, you are only 'at the risk of a flaming' for spelling grammar grammer! ;) not for your expectations.

[GayFriendly]

Deano - Thanks for the kind advice but i've already got a great life

Cheesycol - in other words, my point exactly :ok:

Last year I read something about Flybe looking to expand from BHX and MAN with routes to Eastern Europe and Scandinavian cities. With more E195s available now, does anyone know if these plans are any closer to being realised? Or has the current economic climate put paid to that?

[HZ123]

What about the LGW routes that BA are going to give up and pass to FBee?

[silverstreak]

... Like GLA and EDI to LGW?

[Haven't a clue]

Disappointed to discover that FlyBe has installed tacky adverts on the bottom of the tray tables (at least on the Q400 that brought me to LGW today). The ad is both uninteresting and uninspiring, the concept is frankly aweful. Still I guess someone is putting some money in their coffers, but I really suggest that those in command give serious thought to the value, and the negative impact to the FlyBe brand these "ads" create.

Yuk!

[Capot]

Spelling Police Intervention.

Now see here, your spelling is either awesome or awful. Which do you want it to be?

And I agree about the adverts.

[Haven't a clue]

Sorry mate. Still reeling from the shock. Awful it should have been. And it was.

[GCILover]

I saw one of these adverts too. It seems to be on the aircraft that they took on from SAS. It isn't on their standard 78 seater type only the 76

[Haven't a clue]

This was G-ECOH, which I thought was new - the ex SAS a/c are ECOW, X, Y and Z, I thought.

[Tonyq]

The ads. were on G-KKEV a couple of weeks ago, so not just the ex-SAS ones.

I agree they are a little tacky, and despite staring at it for 40 minutes, on and off, I've no idea what the product was. Obviously that's not FlyBe's problem, but one for the advert agency to ponder !!

[Alan Tracey]

I hear that Servisair will not be their handling agent at LGW this summer. Any idea who is taking over??

[Flightlevel001]

Swissport, in a month or so...

[mathers_wales_uk]

In regards to the Loganair / Flybe franchise. Do they use the same handling agents for both airlines operating at same airports or do they prefer different handling agents?

[super737]

A little of topic but aviance are now the handling agent for BE at DUB

[scr1]

loganair use there own handling agents seperate contracts

[Flitefone]

Any good data out there on Flybe Pax numbers over the last six months..?

Can't help but notice at least two of their hubs (SOU/EXE) down quite dramatically.

Any indication of capacity plans summer 2009 vs 2008?

FF

[Tonyq]

From IOM website it is possible to work out that they are 13% down in February on IOM routes,versus the combined FlyBe and Euromanx numbers for 2008 (after allowing for the EMX routes which FlyBe didn't take up). Included is a 24% increase on IOM-BHX.

That said, they cut capacity quite savagely on LPL, MAN and LGW during January and early Feb so their load factors and yields will surely look much better than a headline decline of 13% suggests.

They do appear quite slick at cutting capacity, even if it's just a few flights here and there on the slacker days of the week.

I'm sure you're really looking for numbers across the network, and IOM may not be typical, because of the one-off impact of Euromanx but I hope this is of interest.

[Flitefone]

It all helps piant a picture. Thanks

[jetstreamtechrecords]

SOU BHD & EXT all down 20% in Feb. Lots of :mad::{coming from EXT now:\

[speedrestriction]

jetstreamtechrecords,

Any airline which is still operating well into the black in the current economic climate must be doing something right. In fact I don't know if any other major UK airline can say the same thing and yet here you are having a go as usual. Try and take a fresh, objective look at BE. They're doing a fantastic job.

[JobsaGoodun]

Jetstream - I think you need to look outside of the big numbers.

Pax numbers might be 20% down as you say, but I very much doubt that Flybe are still operating the same volume of schedules this year that they were last year! If Flybe has cut its own schedules by 20% then their operating costs will have reduced similarly and they are in fact much better off than you may percieve.

I'm sure that Flybe, like all airlines in this country will be struggling in such economic times but you can be damn sure that Flybe will be suffering far less than most others in the UK.

[FS01]

With regards IOM figures the early part of 2008 saw the market saturated with very cheap seats from BE and Euromanx. This in turn probably saw people simply travelling just because they good get a very cheap fare. Now in 2009 with some consolidation on IOM routes things will hopefully level out....

[RVF750]

This weeks paper says the Steam Packet figures are up year on year too, this also backs up FS01's previous post of a leveling off and return to the norm following last year's battle.

Flybe's greatest strength is it's agility and ability to move quickly to trim fat, cut excess capacity and react to changes that allow for opportunities when they arise. That is why they will see out this recession in a far healthier state than nearly all competitors.

[JC25]

I haven't seen the figures for myself, but I was in a Q&A with a Flybe director last week who said pax figures in Jan and Feb were down around 10% overall, but obviously that will vary from day to day and route to route. He also said that forward bookings are running about 8% below last year which he said was "manageable".

[EZYA319]

On Flybe's website I see that they have LPL-BHD flights in the booking section are they starting this route up again?

[elle may clampit]

flybe are re-launching flights from BHD to IOM. The BHD - LPL product on their website is an aircraft transfer of varaible duration in Ronaldsway.

[jetstreamtechrecords]

I haven't seen the figures for myself, but I was in a Q&A with a Flybe director last week who said pax figures in Jan and Feb were down around 10% overall, but obviously that will vary from day to day and route to route. He also said that forward bookings are running about 8% below last year which he said was "manageable".

Try down 15-20%. Route stats are there on CAA website.:bored: Sou down 20%,Ext same. Its :mad: tough out there:{

[akerosid]

Just wondering when the next two E-195s are due for delivery?