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BA pilots vote to strike

Old 18th Sep 2019, 16:14
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I don't know what is going on behind the scenes but if Balpa have cancelled the strikes without a guarantee from BA management that they are going to immediately rescind the sanctions and pay deductions, then they have well and truly bottled it. I hope I'm wrong but if that is the case then forget about the whole thing because its over.
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Old 18th Sep 2019, 16:22
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Any kind of 'sanction' against workers engaging in lawful industrial action is illegal and certainly doesn't need any guarantees from the management if it is going to be challenged in court.
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Old 18th Sep 2019, 16:33
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Capewell is correct, although this type of petty, vindictive, small minded and provocative sanction by BA has not yet been fully tested in the UK Courts. The nasty scheduling tricks and the pay deductions, and the cheap flight nasties all need to be tested. A field day for BALPA's barristers!

I do not see the BALPA action of calling off a single strike day, as bottling it. Rather, I see it as a cunning plan.

Crew scheduling will have all their nasty scheduling tricks to unwind.
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Old 18th Sep 2019, 16:44
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That's going to be funny for our customers.
Sorry sir/madam your previously cancelled flight has now been reinstated. Any chance you are still interested to fly?
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Old 18th Sep 2019, 17:19
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Balpa general secretary Brian Strutton said: "Someone has to take the initiative to sort out this dispute and with no sign of that from BA, the pilots have decided to take the responsible course.
Oh dear. It is management that is supposed to back down in order to protect the brand, not the workers.

What a let down.
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Old 18th Sep 2019, 17:37
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Xulu

Absolutely agree. Cruz et al must be sitting there with a rye smile. What a let down. Also, by doing this after the customers have been inconvenienced, it may well turn to ill feeling against the pilots having had some unusually balanced media coverage over how the company conducts it's business.
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Old 18th Sep 2019, 17:38
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With such an inept, tin ear management in place, it falls once again for the staff to take the long term view and protect the company and the brand.
Letís wait and see what develops.
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Old 18th Sep 2019, 18:18
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I think Willie and Cruz will be 'raging'. I think BALPA may have pulled a blinder on this. What are BA going to? Reinstate all the cancelled flights? I guess they are going to have and fly the aircraft empty or near empty and pay the crew. Not going to cost as much as before but still a lot of aggro and lost revenue.
And it could happen next month? Dates haven't been announced......yet
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Old 18th Sep 2019, 18:43
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Yep. BA/IAG are having rings run round them.

If they agree to meet on 27th - BALPA look good.

The pilots will get paid for reporting for duty on the 27th.

If BA donít budge at the meeting - BALPA walk away saying we tried, now for more strikes more often.

If BA amend their offer, itíll be a win for BALPA. Itíll have to be a meaningful gain on the current pay offer though.

Put simply:- BA are on the back foot here and boxed in.

I wish my union had this current union Exec Council reps.
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Old 18th Sep 2019, 19:12
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Originally Posted by Xulu View Post


Oh dear. It is management that is supposed to back down in order to protect the brand, not the workers.

What a let down.
Seriously? The flights have already been cancelled. BALPA has caused a lot of disruption and pain to BA. By cancelling the strike the airline has to pay the pilots but the damage has already been done. Stroke of genius more like.
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Old 18th Sep 2019, 19:37
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Originally Posted by sprite1 View Post
Yep. BA/IAG are having rings run round them.

If they agree to meet on 27th - BALPA look good.

The pilots will get paid for reporting for duty on the 27th.

If BA donít budge at the meeting - BALPA walk away saying we tried, now for more strikes more often.

If BA amend their offer, itíll be a win for BALPA. Itíll have to be a meaningful gain on the current pay offer though.

Put simply:- BA are on the back foot here and boxed in.

I wish my union had this current union Exec Council reps.

Anyone that can see this as anything but a complete compitulation by the union is in a dream world. You have been hung out to dry!!

6 months down the line BA will offer the same 11.5% and a reinstatement of benefits and the union will accept and say they won.
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Old 18th Sep 2019, 20:02
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Originally Posted by highflyer40 View Post



Anyone that can see this as anything but a complete compitulation by the union is in a dream world. You have been hung out to dry!!

6 months down the line BA will offer the same 11.5% and a reinstatement of benefits and the union will accept and say they won.

Hmmm I too had the same cynical view on first glance at DB 47 and 48 this afternoon. Then had a think about it and came to the conclusion that this maybe a very tactical move after the company already cancelled most, if not all, of the schedule for a day where we're now turning up to work and require paying. Not sure how much can be reinstated at this point but with less than 2 weeks to go, one would imagine most customers have made alternative plans at BA's expense.

In any case, I hope this period of grace for BA will allow some time to reflect on the damage already done to the brand and the damage yet to be done should negotiations not move forward.

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Old 18th Sep 2019, 20:54
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Originally Posted by BleedingOn View Post


Not sure about southwest but the Delta paydeals have been about getting back to where they were prior to the September 11th attacks. With chapter 11 protection came many redundancies, a complete surrendering of the entire pension scheme and a circa 40% pay cut IIRC. No doubt they are very well remunerated now though! They also have a profit related bonus scheme...
Thats a fair point. However; how far have BA pilots terms and conditions been dismantled over the last twenty years ? It seems like a similar fall, without the subsequent rise. There has been no return to a premium contract that rewards them commensurately with their contributions and sacrifices.

Now is the time.
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Old 18th Sep 2019, 21:09
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"Now is the time" for what?
BA is the Austin Allegro of the airline industry. The competition are way ahead of you.
Alex Cruz = Michael Edwardes
Bye Bye BA, oh who said that?
Answers only accepted from a pilot who can spell "wry"..
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Old 19th Sep 2019, 18:21
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What next.

Ok guys I am retired but I wish you luck. I think Balpa has made a very shrewd move. Keep the management guessing. This is a high stakes situation and one you cannot afford to lose. Be strong, this is a management that has no scruples. They have no interest in the long term future of BA, only their bonus.
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Old 19th Sep 2019, 18:27
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Seriously? The flights have already been cancelled. BALPA has caused a lot of disruption and pain to BA. By cancelling the strike the airline has to pay the pilots but the damage has already been done. Stroke of genius more like.
Hmm, as BA customer who has seen his long-planned holiday travel screwed by a bunch of overpaid bus drivers, I beg to differ.
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Old 19th Sep 2019, 18:47
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Hmm, as BA customer who has seen his long-planned holiday travel screwed by a bunch of overpaid bus drivers, I beg to differ.
I am sure that as a loyal BA customer the flight crew will regret spoiling your holiday. However you just shot yourself in the foot with the overpaid bus driver remark. Politely very regrettable. Regards.
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Old 19th Sep 2019, 18:54
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Originally Posted by Archive mole View Post


Hmm, as BA customer who has seen his long-planned holiday travel screwed by a bunch of overpaid bus drivers, I beg to differ.
Itís almost a compliment. The industry has managed to raise safety standards to the point where the general public has forgotten quite how serious flying is. Couple that with a huge misconception of what the Ďautopilotí actually does or how it operates, and itís almost easy to see why this mistake is made.

OP: I only hope for your sake that you are never in a situation where you find out just how skilled your pilot truly is.
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Old 19th Sep 2019, 18:58
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Hmm, as BA customer who has seen his long-planned holiday travel screwed by a bunch of overpaid bus drivers, I beg to differ.
You really have no idea of what you are saying.
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Old 19th Sep 2019, 19:29
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Hmm, as BA customer who has seen his long-planned holiday travel screwed by a bunch of overpaid bus drivers, I beg to differ.
Yeah ok come and have a go at a max airframe crosswind limit landing. Auto pilot in? Yeah autopilot canít do that or few weeks ago had an unsafe gear warning coming into land. Yeah Autopilot knows what to do. Come and sit in my next SIM session. Just have do some engine failures, plus some other failures like landing with no airspeed indications small things like that.
It might be a SIM but if you mess it up your neck is on line.
Yes it is very safe and 99.99% of the time nothing goes wrong but when it does........my god you would not be saying ďoverpaid bus driverĒ

Just watch Sully then come back and report.
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