BA pilots vote to strike
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Seriously? The flights have already been cancelled. BALPA has caused a lot of disruption and pain to BA. By cancelling the strike the airline has to pay the pilots but the damage has already been done. Stroke of genius more like.
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Yep. BA/IAG are having rings run round them.
If they agree to meet on 27th - BALPA look good.
The pilots will get paid for reporting for duty on the 27th.
If BA don’t budge at the meeting - BALPA walk away saying we tried, now for more strikes more often.
If BA amend their offer, it’ll be a win for BALPA. It’ll have to be a meaningful gain on the current pay offer though.
Put simply:- BA are on the back foot here and boxed in.
I wish my union had this current union Exec Council reps.
If they agree to meet on 27th - BALPA look good.
The pilots will get paid for reporting for duty on the 27th.
If BA don’t budge at the meeting - BALPA walk away saying we tried, now for more strikes more often.
If BA amend their offer, it’ll be a win for BALPA. It’ll have to be a meaningful gain on the current pay offer though.
Put simply:- BA are on the back foot here and boxed in.
I wish my union had this current union Exec Council reps.
Anyone that can see this as anything but a complete compitulation by the union is in a dream world. You have been hung out to dry!!
6 months down the line BA will offer the same 11.5% and a reinstatement of benefits and the union will accept and say they won.
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From: Button Moon
Hmmm I too had the same cynical view on first glance at DB 47 and 48 this afternoon. Then had a think about it and came to the conclusion that this maybe a very tactical move after the company already cancelled most, if not all, of the schedule for a day where we're now turning up to work and require paying. Not sure how much can be reinstated at this point but with less than 2 weeks to go, one would imagine most customers have made alternative plans at BA's expense.
In any case, I hope this period of grace for BA will allow some time to reflect on the damage already done to the brand and the damage yet to be done should negotiations not move forward.
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From: The Dirty South
Not sure about southwest but the Delta paydeals have been about getting back to where they were prior to the September 11th attacks. With chapter 11 protection came many redundancies, a complete surrendering of the entire pension scheme and a circa 40% pay cut IIRC. No doubt they are very well remunerated now though! They also have a profit related bonus scheme...
Now is the time.
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From: Finsbury Park
"Now is the time" for what?
BA is the Austin Allegro of the airline industry. The competition are way ahead of you.
Alex Cruz = Michael Edwardes
Bye Bye BA, oh who said that?
Answers only accepted from a pilot who can spell "wry"..
BA is the Austin Allegro of the airline industry. The competition are way ahead of you.
Alex Cruz = Michael Edwardes
Bye Bye BA, oh who said that?
Answers only accepted from a pilot who can spell "wry"..
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From: Europe
What next.
Ok guys I am retired but I wish you luck. I think Balpa has made a very shrewd move. Keep the management guessing. This is a high stakes situation and one you cannot afford to lose. Be strong, this is a management that has no scruples. They have no interest in the long term future of BA, only their bonus.
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I am sure that as a loyal BA customer the flight crew will regret spoiling your holiday. However you just shot yourself in the foot with the overpaid bus driver remark. Politely very regrettable. Regards.
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From: on a beach
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I don’t think you want to be on a flight where the overpaid bus drivers actually have use all of their experience, skill and training when demanded of them.
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At the risk of feeding the troll, archive mole, why visit a professional pilots forum and start throwing comments like that around? Do you thrive on conflict?
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Pilots appear to be quite sensitive souls. Perhaps they know their job will be coming to an end in the near future with pilotless aircraft. However, you got to have a laugh at the reasons they use to justify their recent cave in on the strike. I suspect they are the only ones convinced.
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From: The Harvest Moon
Pilots appear to be quite sensitive souls. Perhaps they know their job will be coming to an end in the near future with pilotless aircraft. However, you got to have a laugh at the reasons they use to justify their recent cave in on the strike. I suspect they are the only ones convinced.
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Archive mole
You certainly have some experience. Unfortunately it seems to have made you a very disgruntled person. To describe fellow pilots as bus drivers is out of order. The comment is more suitable for one of the picture newspapers, not here please.
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I think it was a fairly shrewd move by BALPA.
It's still going to cost BA an absolute fortune, but all the pilot's will get paid.
It also puts the ball firmly in BA's court in terms of returning to negotiations. And BALPA give up nothing. Further strike dates can be announced as required.
It's still going to cost BA an absolute fortune, but all the pilot's will get paid.
It also puts the ball firmly in BA's court in terms of returning to negotiations. And BALPA give up nothing. Further strike dates can be announced as required.
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From: Between Foxrock and a hard place
I think it was a fairly shrewd move by BALPA.
It's still going to cost BA an absolute fortune, but all the pilot's will get paid.
It also puts the ball firmly in BA's court in terms of returning to negotiations. And BALPA give up nothing. Further strike dates can be announced as required.
It's still going to cost BA an absolute fortune, but all the pilot's will get paid.
It also puts the ball firmly in BA's court in terms of returning to negotiations. And BALPA give up nothing. Further strike dates can be announced as required.
And the only people that really need to know this are the BA/IAG Management. You can be sure they do.
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From: UK
I wouldn’t waste your time trying to reason with that one Busdriver. Whoever they are, they have a clear agenda and a chip on both shoulders. You have to sympathise really, must be tough being so bitter about something they know so little about!
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From: Germany
shoulda worked harder at school! 🤪
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From: somewhere between Miami and Havana
British Airlines have ample time to reinstate your flight, Captain.
B
Last edited by Buter; 21st September 2019 at 03:28.