BA pilots vote to strike
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Gotta be honest, until IAG get involved (if ever) , BA don’t have the ability to offer any more money. I suppose that is why they have offered the corporate offering to everyone, giving a few crumbs and changes to working agreements for various work groups, as that is one of the few things they can offer.
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Talks
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d_desktop_news
British Airways pilots' union leaders warn there is 'absolutely no point' in fresh talks to avert a series of planned strikes unless a pay offer is improved.
So I guess it is up to BA now. Realistic talks or strike action.
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I think most staff in BA go through a phase of wanting to offer suggestions to improve things or efficiency . After being told enough times to wind your neck in, most of us shrug our shoulders and just dream what an awesome company BA could have been had we ever had decent management and leadership.
Maybe that’s the British disease.
Maybe that’s the British disease.
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I think most staff in BA go through a phase of wanting to offer suggestions to improve things or efficiency . After being told enough times to wind your neck in, most of us shrug our shoulders and just dream what an awesome company BA could have been had we ever had decent management and leadership.
Maybe that’s the British disease.
Maybe that’s the British disease.
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Something will give eventually, the City will have its thoughts. I.T disaster, email disaster. Pilots strike whilst they might not have the support of the travelling public - let's face it when was the last BA Pilot strike?? (not to my knowledge). WW is probably the main driver but he won't get the heave ho. Sad times for a great Airline with great staff.
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I think most staff in BA go through a phase of wanting to offer suggestions to improve things or efficiency . After being told enough times to wind your neck in, most of us shrug our shoulders and just dream what an awesome company BA could have been had we ever had decent management and leadership.
Maybe that’s the British disease.
Maybe that’s the British disease.
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I wonder if Klaus did the typical BA lo-cost Conversion course? A full conversion course done in half the normal time to save money! No wonder he failed if true.
I’m sure there is a word that describes that situation?.......
I’m sure there is a word that describes that situation?.......
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Danny boy...
shows how little you know! Don’t believe any headline figures. Do your research, look at Lufthansa, KLM... and the American carriers pay deals before judging. Then understand better how hard and how much BA Pilots have sacrificed in the past ten years. Then consider inflation against this claim of 11.5%... also, look at the rises the CEO has enjoyed recently, as well as a bumper one off dividend for share holders. Only when you see the true picture will you understand how shafted we have been and the true insult this pay offer is.....
oh and please understand any pay deal is based on ‘ unspecified change initiatives.’ Translated to mean - self funded pay rise through harder work.
Play devils advocate.... do your research and look at fact.. not spin!
shows how little you know! Don’t believe any headline figures. Do your research, look at Lufthansa, KLM... and the American carriers pay deals before judging. Then understand better how hard and how much BA Pilots have sacrificed in the past ten years. Then consider inflation against this claim of 11.5%... also, look at the rises the CEO has enjoyed recently, as well as a bumper one off dividend for share holders. Only when you see the true picture will you understand how shafted we have been and the true insult this pay offer is.....
oh and please understand any pay deal is based on ‘ unspecified change initiatives.’ Translated to mean - self funded pay rise through harder work.
Play devils advocate.... do your research and look at fact.. not spin!
Overpaid pilot demanding pay raise = deserved pay raise due to harder work
Overpaid company ceo getting pay raise = greedy ceo stealing money because he can get away with it.
I hope you see the double standard. If not, you are already lost...
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Cant wait when automation (aka toyota for the pilots, while pilots behave like overpaid Detroit car manufacturing workers) takes over. And these guys are doing everything in their power to make that happen and to incentivize the employers to do that...
Overpaid pilot demanding pay raise = deserved pay raise due to harder work
Overpaid company ceo getting pay raise = greedy ceo stealing money because he can get away with it.
I hope you see the double standard. If not, you are already lost...
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11.5% (10.5%) payrise vs. 63% payrise. Even the worst mathematician can see that's not a "double standard"
Let's be clear, pilots are not overpaid. They are paid according to market forces. The market force is and has been trending upwards since 2008 and BA pilots have not shared in that.
People like to slam pilots, saying they're not the most critical part of an airline. Funny, then, that almost all flights will be cancelled when the BA lot walk. Pretty critical, wouldn't you say! If pilots could be replaced as easily as for example labourers, they would be, but they can't.
Automation to the point where zero pilots are required is very, very distant. Take the tesla autopilot as an example of where we are from a moral point of view, let alone a technological one.
Let's be clear, pilots are not overpaid. They are paid according to market forces. The market force is and has been trending upwards since 2008 and BA pilots have not shared in that.
People like to slam pilots, saying they're not the most critical part of an airline. Funny, then, that almost all flights will be cancelled when the BA lot walk. Pretty critical, wouldn't you say! If pilots could be replaced as easily as for example labourers, they would be, but they can't.
Automation to the point where zero pilots are required is very, very distant. Take the tesla autopilot as an example of where we are from a moral point of view, let alone a technological one.