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BA pilots vote to strike

Old 29th Nov 2019, 15:26
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Originally Posted by bucoops View Post
we were quite shocked to hear we got our tickets for less than the cabin crew can get them for with staff discount!
Yep, it happens..Without going into too much detail I'd offer the opinion that as crew the problem can be having to arrange travel around rostered work. The timing of roster publication can often rule out crew getting hold of the cheap commercial tickets or any discounted tickets that might have been available when the booking window for the flight first opened.

Outside of peak season on a certain route I have actually bought commercial tickets that, with the frequent flyer points discount, have cost less than a standby staff travel ticket would have cost on the same flight....
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Old 29th Nov 2019, 18:24
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
Yep, it happens..Without going into too much detail I'd offer the opinion that as crew the problem can be having to arrange travel around rostered work. The timing of roster publication can often rule out crew getting hold of the cheap commercial tickets or any discounted tickets that might have been available when the booking window for the flight first opened.

Outside of peak season on a certain route I have actually bought commercial tickets that, with the frequent flyer points discount, have cost less than a standby staff travel ticket would have cost on the same flight....
I find it sad - it's a demanding job, long hours,the usual. There should be decent perks.
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 00:03
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Originally Posted by bex88 View Post
I got to 8.5 with 4% year 1, 3.5% year 2 and the 1% sign on bonus....ok thatís a one off, just realised that. 8.5% in jan still stands with 7.5% increase on the basic.

I donít think anyone has been hung out to dry. We knew we would loose staff travel, we knew we would loose pay. The amount lost I agree needs to be fought. I assumed it would be a days pay at the daily rate for the month.

I donít think a strike again will work. Every FO says they canít afford to strike again with how much they lost.

Hopefully nobody is hung out to dry.
with that mentality, how can you ever get what you want? Withholding your skilled labor is the only leverage you have. Itís a game of chicken and youíre ready to cave in already?
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 00:10
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Originally Posted by beachbumflyer View Post
That would probably work: a strike the American way

yes. And over here itís not uncommon to have a few hostages that the company tries to discipline. We refuse to sign any contract unless all grievances are settled. Support your fellow crew! How can you even consider a contract that wouldnít make the ones that went on strike for BA whole? They fought your fight... make sure you take care of them.
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 08:23
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I understand fully where you are coming from cessnax but you need to see this in the context of the UK and also appreciate how deep the company's pockets are/what funds they might have access to..

For years the advice on the line has been make sure you have a months pay in the bank for contingencies but the reality is there are many pilots in the UK who have leveraged themselves up to their ears and beyond to get into the industry, perhaps buy a house within traveling distance of London, and probably umpteeen other things. For many of them extended (as in multiple week / multiple month?) Industrial Action on zero pay is simply a non-starter on practical grounds. I don't like the situation but have to recognise that that's the Realpolitik that the union is working in.

That said I don't think there is any intention of leaving anybody behind.
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Old 2nd Dec 2019, 04:20
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Originally Posted by wiggy View Post
I understand fully where you are coming from cessnax but you need to see this in the context of the UK and also appreciate how deep the company's pockets are/what funds they might have access to..

For years the advice on the line has been make sure you have a months pay in the bank for contingencies but the reality is there are many pilots in the UK who have leveraged themselves up to their ears and beyond to get into the industry, perhaps buy a house within traveling distance of London, and probably umpteeen other things. For many of them extended (as in multiple week / multiple month?) Industrial Action on zero pay is simply a non-starter on practical grounds. I don't like the situation but have to recognise that that's the Realpolitik that the union is working in.

That said I don't think there is any intention of leaving anybody behind.
I know itís difficult. Iíve been on strike with a company which had deep pockets. I also wasnít in the best shape financially. We were told to prepare, but same thing here... most didnít. Seldom does labor have much leverage, and a strike is certainly powerful.

Best of luck. I can empathize with the stress and uncertainty.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 08:33
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When I joined BA in the later 90ís I joined Balpa. Over the years I voted on various issues, was on the losing side sometimes but accepted that as democracy at work. In 2016 though Balpa helped BA bring in JSS bidding. A strong statement but I say it because of (off the top of my head) the new bidline was sent to us as an 8 page black and white single font print document while JSS was a 32 page document with colour, different size fonts, diagrams etc; a much more interesting read. Also Balpa produced a JSS promotional video where a Rep stated that ďunder JSS everyone will get their very own bespoke roster, designed by you for youĒ Well as a junior captain I could see there was no way I could just design a Hong Kong, weekend off, Cape Town, weekend off etc roster and at a subsequent seminar the same rep admitted that statement was wrong. Anyway as a result of strong selling from Balpa we got JSS and I resigned from Balpa, not because I lost but because I felt the BACC no longer represented its members. (On a side note last year I was full time until October and have since been 75% part time, and yet this year under JSS I have done 25 more days at work than last years bidline year)
So I have been watching this strike from the side lines. Clearly there were a number of colleagues disgruntled with the BACC hence the election results giving them a new leadership.Initially I was impressed by the strong stance and threat of strike and very impressed that they chose to avoid August as Sept was still costly but avoided tv footage of families losing their holidays. I was also equally very impressed at the solidarity shown by those unfortunate enough to be in the firing line when the day came.
We all expected BA to be tough. We expected the staff travel embargo but not how 2 days strike would cost about a weeks wages! And talking to my colleagues since the strike then the general view has been the similar to mine, ie we either capitulate or go nuclear. Clearly 2 days wasnít going to work. I feel Balpa had BA on the back foot. They didnít expect the solidarity and couldnít afford a 2 week strike. Alex Cruz had been put under pressure by Willie Walsh to get a deal done. He couldnít expect to keep his job if we had embarked on a 2 week or indefinite strike. The ball was very much in Balpaís court! Most members I think would have been happy with a cast iron guarantee to protect what agreements we still have and a fudging of the profit share or a higher extra pay rise instead of a profit share. There was no desire to go extreme and demand 15% payruse etc etc.
And then Balpa stalled before eventually caving in. Iíve just done SEP and the general feeling amongst the 15 or so colleagues was weíve been let down by Balpa. Some are voting against the deal but others are battle weary. After initially being impressed by Balpa Iím disappointed with what theyíve achieved and I wonít be rejoining.
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