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BA pilots vote to strike

Old 19th Sep 2019, 23:58
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I think it was a fairly shrewd move by BALPA.

It's still going to cost BA an absolute fortune, but all the pilot's will get paid.

It also puts the ball firmly in BA's court in terms of returning to negotiations. And BALPA give up nothing. Further strike dates can be announced as required.
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Old 20th Sep 2019, 09:16
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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey View Post
I think it was a fairly shrewd move by BALPA.

It's still going to cost BA an absolute fortune, but all the pilot's will get paid.

It also puts the ball firmly in BA's court in terms of returning to negotiations. And BALPA give up nothing. Further strike dates can be announced as required.
This^^^

And the only people that really need to know this are the BA/IAG Management. You can be sure they do.
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Old 20th Sep 2019, 10:50
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Originally Posted by 101917 View Post
Pilots appear to be quite sensitive souls. Perhaps they know their job will be coming to an end in the near future with pilotless aircraft. However, you got to have a laugh at the reasons they use to justify their recent cave in on the strike. I suspect they are the only ones convinced.
lets be honest, if we get to the point where technology and legislation and public trust allow for fully autonomous commercial aircraft, there are many other industries that will also be autonomous and society will have greater problems to worry about. Unlikely to happen in any of our lifetimes, or those of our children either I suspect.
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Old 20th Sep 2019, 17:24
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I wouldn’t waste your time trying to reason with that one Busdriver. Whoever they are, they have a clear agenda and a chip on both shoulders. You have to sympathise really, must be tough being so bitter about something they know so little about!
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Old 20th Sep 2019, 19:51
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Originally Posted by BitMoreRightRudder View Post
I wouldn’t waste your time trying to reason with that one Busdriver. Whoever they are, they have a clear agenda and a chip on both shoulders. You have to sympathise really, must be tough being so bitter about something they know so little about!
shoulda worked harder at school! 🤪
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 01:01
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Originally Posted by Archive mole View Post
For the avoidance of doubt, I am a retired 17,000 hour pilot with experience that encompasses single crew BN2 air ambulance flying in the Highlands and Islands through to B767 VIP ops in the Middle East. Troll, no. Dissatisfied customer, yes.
So you've had your career and don't particularly care about those still working in the profession? Nice.

British Airlines have ample time to reinstate your flight, Captain.

B

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Old 21st Sep 2019, 09:40
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Well said Buter

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Old 21st Sep 2019, 10:17
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Bahahahha...
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 10:26
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Originally Posted by Archive mole View Post
sudden twang: Yes, yes and yes. No proof of your allegation.

Buter: Perhaps you should look at the context of what and why I wrote what I did.

‘Overpaid bus drivers’ - apart from operating your aircraft within the limitations using SOPs, what is so special about BA pilots? Do you print out your own paperwork each time you report to work; do you have to set up the refuel panel for the fuelling; do you open and close cargo holds; do you empty and refill the potable water tank, or even know how to ‘drop’ a toilet and refill the fluid? Ever cleaned a cabin or assisted in doing so? Cabin/hold security search; load bags or secure cargo with nets? Do you even have to arrange your own transport to and from hotels? Of course you don’t. You simply fly the aircraft; hence, unlike many hard working pilots, you are overpaid glorified bus drivers.

Oh bless. You’re amazing because you’ve had to call a taxi and replace the toner cartridge.
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 11:07
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Originally Posted by Archive mole View Post
‘Overpaid bus drivers’ - apart from operating your aircraft within the limitations using SOPs, what is so special about BA pilots? Do you print out your own paperwork each time you report to work; do you have to set up the refuel panel for the fuelling; do you open and close cargo holds; do you empty and refill the potable water tank, or even know how to ‘drop’ a toilet and refill the fluid? Ever cleaned a cabin or assisted in doing so? Cabin/hold security search; load bags or secure cargo with nets? Do you even have to arrange your own transport to and from hotels? Of course you don’t. You simply fly the aircraft; hence, unlike many hard working pilots, you are overpaid glorified bus drivers

Do you print out your own paperwork each time you report to work
Yes.

do you have to set up the refuel panel for the fuelling
Generally no but it has been known.

do you open and close cargo holds
They're too high up and the cargo chaps would be rather annoyed.

do you empty and refill the potable water tank
wouldn't even know how to and again....it's too high up

or even know how to ‘drop’ a toilet and refill the fluid?
thank god it's too high up. Why on earth would you be involved in dropping the toilets and playing with a biohazard before stepping back into the Flightdeck?

Ever cleaned a cabin or assisted in doing so
yep, when I was cabin crew myself many moons ago!

Cabin/hold security search
as above

load bags or secure cargo with nets
yep, when I worked on the ramp at a regional airport for 8 months while scraping enough money together to do my IR.

Do you even have to arrange your own transport to and from hotels
Calling a taxi is extremely hard work....you're my hero. And it goes without saying you make sure you call yourself and don't ask reception or the concierge to call one for you just so you sleep well knowing you've done a good days work.

You simply fly the aircraft; hence, unlike many hard working pilots, you are overpaid glorified bus drivers[
Simply flying the aircraft....theres nothing simple about getting an aeroplane from A-B and delivering hundreds of passengers and tonnes of cargo safely and efficiently to their destination. Now, either you're a troll and know absolutely nothing of flying OR you've got a rather large chip on both shoulders for reasons only you really understand.

Just be careful throwing stones around pal. Many of us have gone down a very long and difficult road to reach a seat at the pointy end of a BA aeroplane with lots of experience gained in various areas of the industry enroute. If you really think someone working for 'One-Man-Band Airways' frantically printing off paperwork and ordering a taxi while donning their biohazard suit to empty the poo tank is what a modern pilot should be then I'd suggest you don't know what you're on about and should possibly get your head read.

In any case, if you think your laughable example of 'One-Man-Band Airways' entitles you to sit back and slag off a group of rightly disgruntled professional pilots then your much mistaken.

Don't feed the Daily Mail journo Troll folks. No current or former professional pilot would come out with such utter tosh.
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 12:19
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Originally Posted by Archive mole View Post
sudden twang: Yes, yes and yes. No proof of your allegation.

Buter: Perhaps you should look at the context of what and why I wrote what I did.

‘Overpaid bus drivers’ - apart from operating your aircraft within the limitations using SOPs, what is so special about BA pilots? Do you print out your own paperwork each time you report to work; do you have to set up the refuel panel for the fuelling; do you open and close cargo holds; do you empty and refill the potable water tank, or even know how to ‘drop’ a toilet and refill the fluid? Ever cleaned a cabin or assisted in doing so? Cabin/hold security search; load bags or secure cargo with nets? Do you even have to arrange your own transport to and from hotels? Of course you don’t. You simply fly the aircraft; hence, unlike many hard working pilots, you are overpaid glorified bus drivers.

When did you fail the BA selection, and how many times, old bean? I'll see if we have any battered cod to go with that chip on your shoulder. (By the way, have done all of the above and more at previous jobs and airlines prior to joining BA, I would say the sheer amount of knowledge and overall direction of the operation required from the flight deck in an average day at BA far exceeds any of my previous operators, including the single aircraft twin prop operation with three pilots that I used to work for.)
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 12:21
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‘Overpaid bus drivers’ - apart from operating your aircraft within the limitations using SOPs, what is so special about BA pilots?
I don't think I've met any BA pilots that consider themselves particularly special. Have you considered trying to rejuvenate your shrivelled up empathy skills? It's usually considered an important quality amongst those of us lucky enough to fly for a living.
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 12:42
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Crash and Burn in Retirement!

Interesting to see some retired Captains with a impeccable record totally crash and burn on THE biggest safety issue of the day, namely Terms and Condition.
Pathetic!
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 14:12
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Captain??

Originally Posted by BluSdUp View Post
Interesting to see some retired Captains with a impeccable record totally crash and burn on THE biggest safety issue of the day, namely Terms and Condition.
Pathetic!
Regards
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Maybe thats the one thing Archive Mole hasn't done, become a captain. Hence his bitterness. Those of us with long experience 17000 plus hours will have done many of the jobs he mentions in the past. Paperwork, refuelling (water checking the tanker) etc. However the world has moved on. Long service in one company gives a good pension. His multiple jobs in different areas will have probably reduced his pension considerably. Maybe that is why he is so dissatisfied. However that was his choice or maybe as suggested he was unable to get the secure career choice he desired.
Yes I was able to fulfill my dream, a command on a large aircraft. I wasn_t "ace of the base" just grateful I enjoyed my flying. Hopefully "Archive" will reflect.
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Old 21st Sep 2019, 21:54
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Ignore him. No one witters to themselves for very long if no one is paying any attention!
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 02:06
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I'm just impressed that this dude retired with 17,000 hours. You could join BA as a cadet at age 44 and knock that out...

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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 08:59
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Originally Posted by 2 Whites 2 Reds View Post
Yes.

Generally no but it has been known.

They're too high up and the cargo chaps would be rather annoyed.

wouldn't even know how to and again....it's too high up

thank god it's too high up. Why on earth would you be involved in dropping the toilets and playing with a biohazard before stepping back into the Flightdeck?

yep, when I was cabin crew myself many moons ago!

as above

yep, when I worked on the ramp at a regional airport for 8 months while scraping enough money together to do my IR.

Calling a taxi is extremely hard work....you're my hero. And it goes without saying you make sure you call yourself and don't ask reception or the concierge to call one for you just so you sleep well knowing you've done a good days work.

Simply flying the aircraft....theres nothing simple about getting an aeroplane from A-B and delivering hundreds of passengers and tonnes of cargo safely and efficiently to their destination. Now, either you're a troll and know absolutely nothing of flying OR you've got a rather large chip on both shoulders for reasons only you really understand.

Just be careful throwing stones around pal. Many of us have gone down a very long and difficult road to reach a seat at the pointy end of a BA aeroplane with lots of experience gained in various areas of the industry enroute. If you really think someone working for 'One-Man-Band Airways' frantically printing off paperwork and ordering a taxi while donning their biohazard suit to empty the poo tank is what a modern pilot should be then I'd suggest you don't know what you're on about and should possibly get your head read.

In any case, if you think your laughable example of 'One-Man-Band Airways' entitles you to sit back and slag off a group of rightly disgruntled professional pilots then your much mistaken.

Don't feed the Daily Mail journo Troll folks. No current or former professional pilot would come out with such utter tosh.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 09:13
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Not that I agree with either side, it is quite funny to see how easy it is to wind up pilots. This website is a troll's paradise.

Unless it's your management calling you (or implying that you are such) 'overpaid bus drivers', why do you care? Stop nibbling. Stop willy-waving.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 09:15
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Well said folks..I wonder if our friend is thinking of the lifetsyle and career path supposedly enjoyed by the Hamsters and doesn't realise that that gig has gone.

Most pilots at BA have done their fair share of cabin cleaning and the other "one man band" stuff in the civvie world and/or have "endured" the special brand of being overworked and multi tasked that goes with being in the military.

And as my esteemed colleague Buter and others point out out - 17K hours is a tidy amount but it isn't that impressive - A full timer in BA will be there and beyond in 20'ish working years...
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 09:16
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Originally Posted by Archive mole;10575365[left
BA are not too big to fail. Remember the Australian strikes? Probably before many of you were born.

Originally Posted by Archive mole;10575365[left
I doubt you understand the underlying issues of the Australian strikes.

I do, I was there and discussed the issues with senior Australian Airlines management.

What those pilots were demanding was utterly absurd and not even their Qantas colleagues supported them.

What the BA pilots are asking for is just the opportunity to share in the success of a very profitable company, to which they have greatly contributed, a totally different scenario.
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