BA pilots vote to strike
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Those familiar with the "dispute" in Australia in 2011 will note many themes similar.
Olivia Wirth, the ever charming Qantas PR porte parole, mouthed that Qantas pilots (paraphrasing) "demanded massages and first class travel" Ever the one to leave out pertinent detail, she neglected to mention that "massages" could be had in first class lounges and that Qantas pilots on duty travel asked for lounge access. First Class travel is something many airlines give to senior employees and unfortunately for Qantas PR that includes senior pilots (Captains)
So expect more of the same, after all it is the same IR playbook.
Pulling back the curtain though, their threats are hollow. They make close to zero operating revenue from their desk and they know it...
Olivia Wirth, the ever charming Qantas PR porte parole, mouthed that Qantas pilots (paraphrasing) "demanded massages and first class travel" Ever the one to leave out pertinent detail, she neglected to mention that "massages" could be had in first class lounges and that Qantas pilots on duty travel asked for lounge access. First Class travel is something many airlines give to senior employees and unfortunately for Qantas PR that includes senior pilots (Captains)
So expect more of the same, after all it is the same IR playbook.
Pulling back the curtain though, their threats are hollow. They make close to zero operating revenue from their desk and they know it...
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From: Cloud Cookoo Land
BA pilots deserve the support of the industry. Whilst their airline may have fallen from grace over the past few years their T&Cs remain something of a benchmark. These have been chipped away at - pensions, PP34, removal of bidline and now salaries. All of our executives will be looking intently at what’s happening between BA and their flightdeck crew. I, for one, applaud their courage and resolution
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BA pilots deserve the support of the industry. Whilst their airline may have fallen from grace over the past few years their T&Cs remain something of a benchmark. These have been chipped away at - pensions, PP34, removal of bidline and now salaries. All of our executives will be looking intently at what’s happening between BA and their flightdeck crew. I, for one, applaud their courage and resolution
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Cancellations
AND today BA cancels flights for the 27th to avoid paying compensation to passengers. What planet are this management on. I just cannot believe what is happening. Why do they think that pilots and passengers are so contemptible?
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BA pilots deserve the support of the industry. Whilst their airline may have fallen from grace over the past few years their T&Cs remain something of a benchmark. These have been chipped away at - pensions, PP34, removal of bidline and now salaries. All of our executives will be looking intently at what’s happening between BA and their flightdeck crew. I, for one, applaud their courage and resolution
Keeping crew happy is far cheaper than annoying them, and I applaud those who have taken the matter this far. Keep going, and the company has to back down in the end, it's in their interests to!
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The Sun: “British Airways pilots plot 10-day strike that would cost £400m in bid to ‘break’ the airline”British Airways pilots are plotting a ten-day mega strike that would ground much of its fleet and cost £400millionCredit: PA:Press Association
Can anyone confirm this?
An airline source told The Sun: “The disruption we have seen so far is nothing. The mega walkout would bring BA to its knees.”
In response, British Airways could call in 150 volunteer pilots to tackle the ten-day walkout.
Bosses will ask partner firms for the help to ensure flights are not grounded if the action goes ahead in November.
Pilots staged a two-day, walkout this week costing the airline £80million in lost revenue. Yesterday BA began cancelling flights hit by a new strike due on September 27.
Pilots union Balpa said the “inconsiderate” move was just to save on compensation.
In response, British Airways could call in 150 volunteer pilots to tackle the ten-day walkout.
Bosses will ask partner firms for the help to ensure flights are not grounded if the action goes ahead in November.
Pilots staged a two-day, walkout this week costing the airline £80million in lost revenue. Yesterday BA began cancelling flights hit by a new strike due on September 27.
Pilots union Balpa said the “inconsiderate” move was just to save on compensation.
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From: The Dirty South
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Add another 100% supportive SLF here.
Looking in from the outside, all I see is an incompetent, greedy and bullying management, who have no respect for the people who are mission critical to their business.
Looking in from the outside, all I see is an incompetent, greedy and bullying management, who have no respect for the people who are mission critical to their business.
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Four training Captains resigned yesterday.
10 days in November will place so many crews out of check that flying programme will not be covered
Cruz knows his job is on the line
Crews will begin to call sick due management pressure.
Last time it ended tragically 1972
10 days in November will place so many crews out of check that flying programme will not be covered
Cruz knows his job is on the line
Crews will begin to call sick due management pressure.
Last time it ended tragically 1972
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All over the world, these leeches derive salaries and add substantially to the cost structures and value add ZERO, although they see themselves as vital, for the drive down labor unit cost.
With strategic assets (like pilots) eventually something gives.
The administrative tail has wagged the airline dog for a few decades now.
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Just a heads up to the BA guys and gals:
Until the strike is resolved, BALPA are allowed to jumpseat on mainline (not express) United flights both domestic and international (cabin seats only).
Until the strike is resolved, BALPA are allowed to jumpseat on mainline (not express) United flights both domestic and international (cabin seats only).
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From: Yorkshire
... so maybe that 'collateral damage' is a bigger damage than BA management perceive?
I am not too sure that this will help other Pilots in the industry in general: If BA management make it an unattractive place to work then Pilots will not be so keen to move there which will mean that other airlines will not have the same worry regarding Pilots moving on, with the effect that that has on Ts&Cs.
I am not too sure that this will help other Pilots in the industry in general: If BA management make it an unattractive place to work then Pilots will not be so keen to move there which will mean that other airlines will not have the same worry regarding Pilots moving on, with the effect that that has on Ts&Cs.
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From: Top of the World
BA Management has shown repeatedly they will not be negotiating. They would rather lose hundreds of millions in revenue than give in. They will play nasty, threaten you, spread lies in the media rather than do a deal.
It is not logical behaviour. That is simply because it is not their money they are playing with, it is shareholders. They are slowly putting Plan B in motion that will break BALPA forever, give them time they will win.
Therefore the only thing that will stop them is the shareholders, because it IS their money being lost.
The strike needs to be decisive, and force shareholders to put pressure on management. That is the only thing they will listen to.
If BALPA announce 6 months of strikes they will fold immediately before any legal action is brought. Not because of management, because of the shareholders protecting their investment.
The terms are:
15% over 3 years.
Public Apology from BA.
Cruz resignation.
Reinstatement of Benefits.
No disciplinary action against strikers.
Until then BA is grounded.
This will resolve the strike within days.
If you want to play fair and nice with Waterside, they will happily drag this out until Plan B is ready and they hold all the power over you. Scare the shareholders and you instantly win.
You have just grounded the airline. It is you that has the power.
Use it or lose it.
It is not logical behaviour. That is simply because it is not their money they are playing with, it is shareholders. They are slowly putting Plan B in motion that will break BALPA forever, give them time they will win.
Therefore the only thing that will stop them is the shareholders, because it IS their money being lost.
The strike needs to be decisive, and force shareholders to put pressure on management. That is the only thing they will listen to.
If BALPA announce 6 months of strikes they will fold immediately before any legal action is brought. Not because of management, because of the shareholders protecting their investment.
The terms are:
15% over 3 years.
Public Apology from BA.
Cruz resignation.
Reinstatement of Benefits.
No disciplinary action against strikers.
Until then BA is grounded.
This will resolve the strike within days.
If you want to play fair and nice with Waterside, they will happily drag this out until Plan B is ready and they hold all the power over you. Scare the shareholders and you instantly win.
You have just grounded the airline. It is you that has the power.
Use it or lose it.
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Just self-certify for 2 days each week. Announce a month of strikes at short notice with £billion lost revenue.
They cannot fire you all, it’d destroy the business and the shareholders wouldn’t allow it.
The longer Balpa drag this out, and the more notice they give, the less chance you have.
Stop trying to be gentlemen. Stop trying to be logical. You need to speak their language.
They cannot fire you all, it’d destroy the business and the shareholders wouldn’t allow it.
The longer Balpa drag this out, and the more notice they give, the less chance you have.
Stop trying to be gentlemen. Stop trying to be logical. You need to speak their language.