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BA pilots vote to strike

Old 10th Sep 2019, 15:07
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Originally Posted by cessnapete View Post


There shouldn’t be anyone “stuck down route” ? You work normally if your trip leaves before the 9 th and you work normally until you get back to Base. I understood you only strike on flights ex Base.
Apparently only 9 pilots turned up for work yesterday.
Pete , I am sure there are people downroute who were rostered to return yesterday or today and probably might have been rostered today as a day off.
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 15:08
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Having been involved in scheduling with Balpa before retirement I can envisage major disruption occurring on restart. By withdrawing return flights on strike days the airline has neatly got a/c in the right position and not overloaded with a/c Lhr/Lgw, Also pilots downroute are able to restart services on Wednesday , but then the problem starts. Returning L/H pilots will probably miss their next service due to minimum base turnaround and S/H pilots on tours will have missed their next part of the tour with no one initially able to operate those parts Chaos
One tactic which would improve any future actions effectiveness would be to call single days strikes from midday to midday., This would nicely mix up the a/c. Particularly if the single days strikes had a period of midday to Midday working
Inbetween
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 16:09
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A week long strike around christmas time should do the trick....
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 17:47
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Removal of 'travel perks' from BA flightcrew

Wrt removal of 'travel perks' from striking flightcrew... two can play at that game.

Given that a Captain's word is final, i.e. as to who's allowed to travel, a Captain is perfectly within their rights to deny travel to any passenger.
The simple phrase of "I do not consider that your presence onboard is conducive to good order and accordingly you must leave the aeroplane" would be enough to have a passenger removed and no further reason or explanation is required of the Captain. The Captain's word is always the final arbiter.

So, BA Management types (whom have kept their 'travel perks') might find that those perks are not worth a jot when they're not allowed onboard because the BA Captain says "No" to their presence, and maybe also a similar implementation for Management staff whom are travelling on duty might help to focus some BA Management minds?
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 18:01
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4 or 5 days continuous strike with no sim checks being completed will reach a tipping point of not enough crews to cover the programme.
BALPA will be aware of this.
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 18:11
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What staggers me is that BA seem to be doubling down on the antagonisation of their pilots without accepting there has to be an after. This dispute will be resolved eventually one way or another and both parties will have to resume “normal” relations. All the threats re staff travel and forever seat freezes etc only thinks of the now and not the future. Very very very poor management.
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 18:32
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Did AC write this under a Pseudonym - he obviously believes it!


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Old 10th Sep 2019, 19:42
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Originally Posted by red9 View Post
They still want you to report as per your roster so that they know who is striking and who isnt. Downroute , there is no way of demonstrating your part in the IA. If you are stuck downroute ( one such case was someone needing to get back for childcare) you are told to find your own way home !!
Thanks for the clarification.
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 20:02
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The management at BA seriously need to put themselves on management and CRM courses. I'm long retired but would definetly be with you.
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 20:35
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Always amuses me when longhaul pilots are held up to be the best of the best and as Cruz says 'BA pilots are the best in the world' !

Nonetheless, high time someone stood up to management !
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 22:16
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Just wondering how BA is managing crews down route
From my post 193 above ….

The afore-mentioned bloke in my pub who claims to be a striking BA pilot said his longhaul partner who left London on the 8th, ie who is not on strike, only found out after departure that the trip had been extended by two days. When they got to xxxx they found BA had already moved the NON STRIKING pilots into some lousy flop-house near the airport, while the cabin crew remained in the usual crew hotel.

He also said that as an actual striker, he found he had been ‘re-assigned’ a long trip which had already been cancelled, so they could take extra money off his September pay. We were moved to have a little whip-round for him.

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Old 10th Sep 2019, 23:03
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I honestly thought it would never come to this. I reckon the company never thought the pilots would have the cojones. Apparently CRC was like the Mary Celeste over the last couple of days. High 90% not turning up tells you something. I reckon the company were thinking worst case half wouldn't show and then we'll try and run the programme on the 27th and break the strike.
How wrong they've been. The unity shown is quite remarkable to be honest. After years of telling the leadership team and management of the complete disconnect between the two they are now forced to listen. I guess it's been a long time coming.
I should imagine the top, AC, WW etc have discussed how much short term pain they can take to wipe out BALPA and the pilot's, and therefore send a clear msg to anyone else in the IAG group. I think their aim would be to re-write ALL the agreements and completely shaft the workforce going forward.
I reckon it'll be 'who blinks first' on this.
I also think making punitive sanctions on those who have 'gone out' is only going to harden the resolve of them and others.
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 23:08
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Are they (BA) having a laugh?? They are now "begging" for volunteers to help get the operation back on track..... As they have extended a load of trips downroute by two days, pilots will be two days late home, and the longer trips generates extra EASA rest! So now theres loads of uncovered trips on 12/13/14th!! Who'd have thought that would happen!!! (facepalm) !

The crazy/hillarious thing is that the people who've been away (unable to strike) need legal rest, so the only people "available" to do these trips will be people who've striked.... and they are the people that have been punished with pay deductions and loss of staff travel.

Yet the company think they will come to work to "help out"????? Also, they wouldn't even be paid overtime rates as the company said any strikers picking up EOT within 5 days AFTER the strike finished won't get premium rate.....

Are they incompetent, f*****g lost the plot more like!

Have we got a confirmed figure on how many turned up to "work"? Also, has it been confirmed strikers have (for now) lost fleet change bid rights (forever?)? I think I might have missed that in the many Comms!! I'm sure we'll get it all back just have to remain united! "We are United"!
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Old 10th Sep 2019, 23:13
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174 uncovered Airbus trips for the rest of the month.
I think the wheels are going to come off the wagon in a big way in the next few days.
I do hope no-one volunteers for anything to help out.
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Old 11th Sep 2019, 01:57
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Without wishing to incite unofficial industrial action, I would suggest nobody picking up an overtime trip for a month would bring the company to the table faster than another day of striking!
BA is run on overtime.
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Old 11th Sep 2019, 07:56
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Originally Posted by Dave View Post
Are they (BA) having a laugh?? They are now "begging" for volunteers to help get the operation back on track..... As they have extended a load of trips downroute by two days, pilots will be two days late home, and the longer trips generates extra EASA rest! So now theres loads of uncovered trips on 12/13/14th!! Who'd have thought that would happen!!! (facepalm) !

The crazy/hillarious thing is that the people who've been away (unable to strike) need legal rest, so the only people "available" to do these trips will be people who've striked.... and they are the people that have been punished with pay deductions and loss of staff travel.

Yet the company think they will come to work to "help out"????? Also, they wouldn't even be paid overtime rates as the company said any strikers picking up EOT within 5 days AFTER the strike finished won't get premium rate.....

Are they incompetent, f*****g lost the plot more like!

Have we got a confirmed figure on how many turned up to "work"? Also, has it been confirmed strikers have (for now) lost fleet change bid rights (forever?)? I think I might have missed that in the many Comms!! I'm sure we'll get it all back just have to remain united! "We are United"!
Presumably, as in past CC IA, Staff Travel, Bidding sanctions etc. and any other Management punishment will be included in any settlement. Before any Settlement is agreed, all sanctions will need to be removed.
Necessary to avoid the situation where pilots unfortunately rostered during Strike days, are disproportionately sanctioned over others on days off, who would have carried out IA.
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Old 11th Sep 2019, 08:00
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And the passengers ?
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Old 11th Sep 2019, 08:06
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Collateral damage, Beamer. It’s unfortunate but this is a fight that absolutely has to happen. If management manage to tear up all industrial agreements at BA (and that is their clear aim) you just watch the rest of the industry fall to pieces. This is a fight that is a long time now in the making but one that has (apart from a few scabs) almost absolute unity amongst the workforce. The rest of the industry will thank us for it afterwards.

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Old 11th Sep 2019, 08:33
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Whilst some disruption is to be expected the BA management seem to be exaggerating it rather than minimising it to make the pilots look worse, shooting themselves in the foot I would say!
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Old 11th Sep 2019, 11:22
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The rest of the industry will thank us for it afterwards.
And during! Thank you very much for taking a stand.
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