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BA pilots vote to strike

Old 22nd Sep 2019, 08:26
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Originally Posted by Archive mole View Post
Yea, yea. I’ve very happy in retirement with my very nice pension pot thank you. No one has yet said why BA pilots think they are so special that they need to demand the company fall to its knees and grant them their greedy wishes.

I am very pleased to see that management are going to take away strikes non contractual perks; that must eat many of you up and make travel to work more difficult and expensive.

BA are not too big to fail. Remember the Australian strikes? Probably before many of you were born.

Enjoy tearing apart the company you you work for; team players my a**.
they werent "strikes" in Australia, it was a dispute where the union leadership took resignations of all or the majority of the pilots to threaten management with, then submitted them, so basically the pilots RESIGNED en masse to avoid being sued by the Govt. (their employer)
...you archive mole, besides being a troll, are the steamy smelly reason some operators are able to keep certain levels of the industry in the sewer, where you reside....
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 08:37
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Suddenly realising why all those private heavy jobs are so well paid in the ME!

You have to clean the toilets, replace the water, load the baggage, fly the aircraft, print the paperwork, load the fuel! All on a 767! For only a half a million pound a year!!!
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 08:39
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Quite often it is the requisite schooling the beats them. Sometimes the eyesight (as claimed by Alan Joyce Qantas CEO) but almost always it is aptitude and attitude..
The result, as is the case with Alan Joyce is simple green envy.

The former Prime Minister that oversaw the dispute in Australia, claimed that pilots were "overpaid bus drivers"
What many do not know is that the former PM tried his hand at learning to flying. The student had many issues taking a multitude of dual instruction hours. Substantially well above the normal hours required, nearly double!
The Chipmunk a race car.
He quit quietly.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 15:57
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Iím well over 17K hours and still have 18 years to go
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 16:30
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I'm on 26.000 hours age 56 (BA 31 years)
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 17:56
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How many of those 26,000 hours were in the bunk asleep?
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 18:18
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BA Pilots are special!

A few short observations before I head off to work.
BA pilots are special because they helped save the company when asked.
They have a rather good safety record as does Lufthansa , SAS and KLM.
So that alone they should be rewarded for, in my not so humble opinion.

Also , I understand this is the first strike ever from them, so thy must be rather fed up with today's state of affairs .

I have read Flight international since I was 16 , so soon 40 years and BA was often portrayed as the Best.
I still think they are among the best , but to recruit the potential best You need to serve more then peanuts once a month.
BA pilots are doing a dysfunctional greedy management a favor by strengthening the T/C.
I wish all BA pilots the best in the ongoing struggle

Regards
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 18:20
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A lot of bitter people in this thread trying hard to belittle ba pilots, one must assume personal issues and maybe even a chip on the old shoulder perhaps due to personal ambitions not being met, sing all you want about great times you had in your careers, but maybe it’s time to move on and let go
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 18:34
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You are never paid what you deserve......you are paid what you negotiate. Nothing further to argue about.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 19:20
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Can we please get away from debates about flying hours which as everyone should know mean very little in the overall scheme of things. A BA pal of mine tells me he logs hours when he is asleep in the crew rest area for heavens sake !

Pilots at BA do live in a cosseted world but that is not a problem of their own making, it is how that airline and many other flag carriers operate. I flew with many pilots on the 75/76 who would not lift a finger to help out pax,engineers or cabin crew or simply go the extra mile to get the job done and whilst I flew with a significant airline, it certainly was not BA.

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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 20:35
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Of course he logs hours when heís in the bunk!!! He is at work, onboard the aircraft, on duty and part of the required crew!!! Seriously......

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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 07:32
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Originally Posted by beamer View Post
Can we please get away from debates about flying hours which as everyone should know mean very little in the overall scheme of things. A BA pal of mine tells me he logs hours when he is asleep in the crew rest area for heavens sake !

Pilots at BA do live in a cosseted world but that is not a problem of their own making, it is how that airline and many other flag carriers operate. I flew with many pilots on the 75/76 who would not lift a finger to help out pax,engineers or cabin crew or simply go the extra mile to get the job done and whilst I flew with a significant airline, it certainly was not BA.

did you discount any time you got up for a wee, or went for a physiological break in the cabin during the cruise? Bunk time is a requirement for extended FDP by way of augmenting the crew. Letís be under no illusions here, the bunks are uncomfortable, often filthy and you get woken up by all the usual noises the aeroplane makes. Youíre lucky if you get an hour or two at most. Some seem to think itís like a full night kip in your own bed.
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 08:03
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As I said earlier, total flying hours per se mean little after passing a certain threshold. There often appears to be a certain amount of willy waving with regard to logged flying hours hence a degree of scepticism on my part on the nature of the time being logged.

Being out of the loop for a wee while and regulations do change, may I respectfully ask whether all members of an augmented crew log the whole flying duty period or is it just the aircraft commander.

In the past I have been part of heavy crews who 'rest area' comprised at worst the jump seat and at best a seat in the cabin. The crew rest areas that I have seen, I would agree are not pleasant, though I would be interested to know if some are better than others depending on operator or perhaps newer types of aircraft.
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 08:11
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Logging hours in the bunk has nothing to do with Total Time qualification. Absolutely none.

It does have lots to do with counting towards 900 total annual and 100 monthly limits. Companies across the industry are already pushing hard to achieve as close to this as possible, any move towards discounting bunk time will utterly destroy quality of life and more importantly safety. You will in effect be adding another 20-30% total flying. You would be talking about moving towards an equivalent 1200-1300 total time a year.

whilst this may give HR and Finance departments a boner, it would be completely and utterly unsafe. Most canít sleep during their bunk stops and the junior guys usually get the early shift meaning they get no additional rest other than that being away from the flight deck.

Not sure as a 75/76 driver you would realise any of this doing mainly short/medium hail. Longer/ultra longhaul is a different ball game

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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 10:59
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Wot VinRouge said,

Resting in the bunks isn't a given..Many struggle with the task and If you can't sleep in the crew rest area there are few things more unpleasant than staring at the ceiling knowing the clock is ticking down towards changeover time and you are going to be absolutely Christmas crackered in the very near future.

Ultra Long haul isn't the doddle it's often made out to be.
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 16:09
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I find it borderline impossible to sleep in the bunk. It holds no meaningful value for me so please, don't use the fact we have this 'luxury' against us. It only highlights your ignorance.
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 16:38
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Bunks etc

We are all different re sleeping habits etc. A bunk is not a luxury. The one big "luxury" BA has as a career for a pilot is choice. Not as much as there used to be, but you can still fly shorthaul or longhaul and sometimes choose between seats. I wish the guys in BA well. There has to be a benchmark for T&C's. Hopefully they can set it at a high level for the benefit of all.
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 17:06
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Now that the dust has settled after the announcement that the industrial action on the 27th has been called off, I am curious to see if it has been well received or is being viewed with some dissatisfaction.

At face value it seems to be a clever move from BALPA. Calling off a strike with the intent to negotiate, sends a clear signal to the outside world as to where the apathy lies, if negotiations are not forthcoming.
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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 17:56
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I think most of us realise that IAG isn’t going to negotiate in good faith until forced to. I believe BALPA are demonstrating good faith so when the talks fail in a week or so, can go on to announce a complete shutdown of the airline for a couple of weeks and bring IAG to the table with some sensible offers.
But then again, what do I know?

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Old 23rd Sep 2019, 21:56
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Narrative construction is a full time job.

Working 15 hours a week....(flight time not duty, they never make the distinction)
Resting in a bunk for half the flight....
Generous travel concessions.
The Little Qantas CEO even claimed an A380 Captain makes more than him. With an annual salary of $26 million, somehow a complicit media never even raises an eyebrow.

On it goes, all dreamed up by those at Waterside, who work 0900- 1700, Monday to Friday.
They have their weekends to themselves, take their substance of choice, sleep in their own bed refreshed...
Get all the gazetted public holidays.

Then return for another day, fresh, to paint a picture of a lazy and under employed workforce.

The whole construct relies on envy. That they posses in spades.
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