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absolutely. It has nothing to do with education, intelligence, contribution to society, etc. If you work hard and you’re professional... have some self respect and demand the wages you should be paid. Planes don’t fly without pilots (yet) and BA needs planes for their business! It’s actually easier to replace a CEO than a pilot.
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Planes also don't fly without cabin crew, engineers and a host of other people. Pilots are two a penny, as well as many thinking they are God's gift to aviation.
I suspect pilots will be the first to lose their precious jobs when they are no longer required. Aircraft will still require all the other support personnel.
I suspect pilots will be the first to lose their precious jobs when they are no longer required. Aircraft will still require all the other support personnel.
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Nice to read a balanced post from someone with ability.
Guess you failed the knowledge after spending a few years riding around London on a Honda 90 with a clipboard on the handlebars.
Guess you failed the knowledge after spending a few years riding around London on a Honda 90 with a clipboard on the handlebars.
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Planes also don't fly without cabin crew, engineers and a host of other people. Pilots are two a penny, as well as many thinking they are God's gift to aviation.
I suspect pilots will be the first to lose their precious jobs when they are no longer required. Aircraft will still require all the other support personnel.
I suspect pilots will be the first to lose their precious jobs when they are no longer required. Aircraft will still require all the other support personnel.
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Narrative construction is a full time job.
Working 15 hours a week....(flight time not duty, they never make the distinction)
Resting in a bunk for half the flight....
Generous travel concessions.
The Little Qantas CEO even claimed an A380 Captain makes more than him. With an annual salary of $26 million, somehow a complicit media never even raises an eyebrow.
On it goes, all dreamed up by those at Waterside, who work 0900- 1700, Monday to Friday.
They have their weekends to themselves, take their substance of choice, sleep in their own bed refreshed...
Get all the gazetted public holidays.
Then return for another day, fresh, to paint a picture of a lazy and under employed workforce.
The whole construct relies on envy. That they posses in spades.
Working 15 hours a week....(flight time not duty, they never make the distinction)
Resting in a bunk for half the flight....
Generous travel concessions.
The Little Qantas CEO even claimed an A380 Captain makes more than him. With an annual salary of $26 million, somehow a complicit media never even raises an eyebrow.
On it goes, all dreamed up by those at Waterside, who work 0900- 1700, Monday to Friday.
They have their weekends to themselves, take their substance of choice, sleep in their own bed refreshed...
Get all the gazetted public holidays.
Then return for another day, fresh, to paint a picture of a lazy and under employed workforce.
The whole construct relies on envy. That they posses in spades.
So Rated if you want an Office job - go figure (and take the pay that goes with it)
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[QUOTE]Planes also don't fly without cabin crew[QUOTE]
Yes they do. Been on a cargo aircraft lately?
[QUOTE]Pilots are two a penny[QUOTE]
UK Population almost 70,000,000. UK ATPL Holders 14,000. By contrast, for the same population the UK has almost 300,000 doctors.....would you call that group of fantastic professionals "Two a penny"? I think not. Grow up.
[QUOTE]as well as many thinking they are God's gift to aviation.[QUOTE]
Have you met "many" of the 13,000 UK ATPL holders or even "many" of the 4500 of them at BA? I doubt it. But hey, why bother with facts when you can cast aspersions with that big broad brush of yours based on that massive chip on your shoulder.
Once again, and as said above. Don't feed the Journo Trolls folks, they're only after a headline.
Yes they do. Been on a cargo aircraft lately?
[QUOTE]Pilots are two a penny[QUOTE]
UK Population almost 70,000,000. UK ATPL Holders 14,000. By contrast, for the same population the UK has almost 300,000 doctors.....would you call that group of fantastic professionals "Two a penny"? I think not. Grow up.
[QUOTE]as well as many thinking they are God's gift to aviation.[QUOTE]
Have you met "many" of the 13,000 UK ATPL holders or even "many" of the 4500 of them at BA? I doubt it. But hey, why bother with facts when you can cast aspersions with that big broad brush of yours based on that massive chip on your shoulder.
Once again, and as said above. Don't feed the Journo Trolls folks, they're only after a headline.
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Rated de - being an Office bod (albeit not BA 0900-1700) I once asked my DFO why I could work 12hrs at the weekend for jack all, whereas a Nigel/Rupert could get £500 for working one minute into their day off - His reply was 'Angry - go be a Pilot'
So Rated if you want an Office job - go figure (and take the pay that goes with it)
So Rated if you want an Office job - go figure (and take the pay that goes with it)
In my opinion you were worth your weight in gold and certainly more to that airline than anyone else either on or off the line. Whatever your remuneration was, it wasn’t enough.
Hope alls well!
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Such utter rubbish being spoused about pilots roles and their ego and how they're going to be easily replaced.
Nonsense, and I've heard it all before coming from the defence industry. And no I'm not a BA pilot so no reason to not have an open mind on this.
Here's today's article from Forbes describing what Captains are trained to handle. Have a read and open your own mind instead of trying to belittle pilots on this forum going through a rough ride - https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristyk.../#7306dc21b104
Nonsense, and I've heard it all before coming from the defence industry. And no I'm not a BA pilot so no reason to not have an open mind on this.
Here's today's article from Forbes describing what Captains are trained to handle. Have a read and open your own mind instead of trying to belittle pilots on this forum going through a rough ride - https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristyk.../#7306dc21b104
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Nasty, ignorant comment. A comment that tells me all I need to know about you, and nothing about the smelly, noisy excuse for the supposed rest place that is the "bunk." And if you think I as a Captain of a 747-400 just happily drifts off to sleep whilst handing over the controls to two FOs, you absolutely have never been a pilot or a Captain. Go back to posting your poison on the Daily Mail.
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I am not at BA, I am a lucky one. I am at easy where my salary and annual bonus is far in excess of my equivalent rank and experience colleagues and friends at BA. Your comments are puerile, childish and ill educated and the Daily Mail really is where you belong.
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Most of you have no clue to the training that went into the old pilots of the corporations. Day 1 sign official secrets act. Fed all quiet on the western front (english version) whilst being assessed as to our political leanings
18 months of graft..1/3 rd chopped. Started on crumbs without peanuts and most of my mates 20 years to command on aircraft full of carry forward defects and some just passed between captains to avoid grounding.
Captains who couldnt manually fly the aircraft.
Comprehensive understanding of laws, rules of the air, responsibility and dealing with frightened pax and sometimes crew who were intoxicated.
7 years in, I participated in an experiment..BEA to BOAC...10 months later I order the captain to put out a mayday..fortunately I am able to trouble shoot and discover during our descent back to take off airport that it was a runaway yaw damper. First reported occurrence. Reverse course again and get pissed in HKG thinking how good it is to be alive.
Chucked it in and did 13 years flying for the Swiss before I started my command course which was six months including practical meetings with everyone concerned with our operation from loading, atc to the equivalent of the SAS if I was hijacked.
Had an emergency over the north pole where the Navigation system doesnt do what it says on the box...absolutely no chance of survival if we get it wrong..turns out first polar crossing and programming wrong but get hauled over the coals as I disobeyed SOP..no apology once MD discovered the fault.
And all of my career if I made one eff up I would be on the dole or nicked as happened to Glen Stewart who topped himself doing his best for BA with management approval who dropped him in the Sxxt..ask bergerie.
GOOD LUCK TO THE GUYS..MY AIRLINE IS LONG GONE LIKE PAN AM AND TWA..why? management.
18 months of graft..1/3 rd chopped. Started on crumbs without peanuts and most of my mates 20 years to command on aircraft full of carry forward defects and some just passed between captains to avoid grounding.
Captains who couldnt manually fly the aircraft.
Comprehensive understanding of laws, rules of the air, responsibility and dealing with frightened pax and sometimes crew who were intoxicated.
7 years in, I participated in an experiment..BEA to BOAC...10 months later I order the captain to put out a mayday..fortunately I am able to trouble shoot and discover during our descent back to take off airport that it was a runaway yaw damper. First reported occurrence. Reverse course again and get pissed in HKG thinking how good it is to be alive.
Chucked it in and did 13 years flying for the Swiss before I started my command course which was six months including practical meetings with everyone concerned with our operation from loading, atc to the equivalent of the SAS if I was hijacked.
Had an emergency over the north pole where the Navigation system doesnt do what it says on the box...absolutely no chance of survival if we get it wrong..turns out first polar crossing and programming wrong but get hauled over the coals as I disobeyed SOP..no apology once MD discovered the fault.
And all of my career if I made one eff up I would be on the dole or nicked as happened to Glen Stewart who topped himself doing his best for BA with management approval who dropped him in the Sxxt..ask bergerie.
GOOD LUCK TO THE GUYS..MY AIRLINE IS LONG GONE LIKE PAN AM AND TWA..why? management.
I see IAG are now saying the strikes have reduced earnings by 137Million euros for 2019. What a waste of time and money when we could be all looking ahead to the uncertain future that Brexit will bring and the new challenges we will face.
Apparently there has been no move from BA to negotiate. One can only assume that BA. / IAG have set aside a multi€€€€/££££ from profits, war chest to attain their aim.
Great to see the unity of the pilots against this threat. The prospect of Mr Cruz stated aim of Minimum LR crew, (multiple 2 Crew Denver’s a month?) airport hotels, no LR double night-stops. Combined with SH/LH rostering to max legal FTLs is a daunting thought.
Even comparing UK airlines EASY Capt. pay is superior for comparable seniority in either Company. Virgin crews have a max 750 hour CAP vs 900 in BA.
Keep up the fight.
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I saw Gunning's letter. No mention of the monumental IT Cock Ups. The fines. All spin. These people are on a different planet. I think BALPA should up the ante tbh. I think random 2 days per week for a month will get them to the table sharpish. BA would not be able to sustain that and the City wouldn't allow it.
Latest news on BBC website today states that there have been no further talks between BA and BALPA since the announcement that BALPA was calling off the action planned for Sept 27th.....
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At least it makes you feel important though.