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Old 24th Nov 2019, 19:46
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I know people who have been pleasantly surprised to be given 787 command on type courses in January Rex, so perhap P2 will also have gone more junior than expected. The results will be with us soon enough.
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Old 25th Nov 2019, 03:07
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Originally Posted by Biggles88 View Post
Hi Ladies and Gents

I was wondering if anyone has heard any recent positive news in the hold pool or are having a similar experience?

Ive been in the pool since the start of March. During my assessment I was told if successful to expect a call very soon as the pool was very low. After a couple of months without hearing anything I contacted them as they said no training was scheduled till the end of summer. Towards the end of July I got a call to expect a start date in Q1 2020 and I would receive that date in September, possibly into October. Itís now end of November and still no date and to be honest the recent emails from them have start to make me wonder whether it will happen at all.

I appreciate all this is subject to change when your in the hold pool, and Iíve heard people were waiting 24 months plus in the pool a couple of years ago. I just feel on the basis of what I have been told from the start it all feels a bit disconcerting. Just wondering if anyone is going through the same?
Same situation as you. The current line seems to be "finalising the training plan for 2020"

I've heard rumours this is dependant upon the current negotiations being completed. Would be great if someone in the know could confirm whether this is likely true or not.

Tvm
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Old 25th Nov 2019, 11:20
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Things are moving...

Any more good news? Keep it coming! Us swimmers will hopefully be rescued soon
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Old 25th Nov 2019, 12:22
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Originally Posted by capt.sparrow View Post
Friend of mine got the call yesterday for LHR SH. He is already A320 typed. 3 months in the pool.
Has anyone without a 320 rating been called for a SH start yet? Or should those of us that are not rated expect to swim a little longer?
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Old 25th Nov 2019, 12:37
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Originally Posted by boeing89 View Post


Has anyone without a 320 rating been called for a SH start yet? Or should those of us that are not rated expect to swim a little longer?
A320 no call yet
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Old 25th Nov 2019, 13:53
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Does Anyone have the Paypoint 34 (PP34) Payscale that new joiners will join on?

What can you expect the starting salary to be on Short Haul and Long Haul?

I know theres a payrise negotiation going on but just interested in the numbers as they currently stand.

Cheers
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Old 25th Nov 2019, 18:14
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Originally Posted by aaa333 View Post
Does Anyone have the Paypoint 34 (PP34) Payscale that new joiners will join on?

What can you expect the starting salary to be on Short Haul and Long Haul?

I know theres a payrise negotiation going on but just interested in the numbers as they currently stand.

Cheers
pilots job network fairly accurate for LH.
https://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/British_Airways

i think the full full scale is on the Balpa website, airline documents > BA MOA (Salary Annexe). Oh, important point, pension is based upon the 24 point payscale, so your employer contributions go up quicker than salary. There are seperate scales for
LGW and LHR SH as well as LH.

Pay settlement is looking at 11.5% over 3 years; there are other odds and sods thrown in that will give you an extra (minor) boost in salary. Stuff like an extra quid per hour Flight Duty Pay. If itís signed off of course!!!
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Old 25th Nov 2019, 19:55
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Originally Posted by VinRouge View Post

pilots job network fairly accurate for LH.
https://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/British_Airways

i think the full full scale is on the Balpa website, airline documents > BA MOA (Salary Annexe).
Yep, the year one FO Base figure ties from "pilotjobs" in ties in pretty much exactly with the BA MOA numbers so I'd suggest that (public) site is giving reasonably accurate info regarding basic pay last time everything was updated.
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Old 25th Nov 2019, 21:42
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What's the average experience for direct entry FO with no A320 type rating on the short haul fleet?
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Old 26th Nov 2019, 00:13
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Doubt there is one. If you have the hours requirement and pass the assessment, you're in.
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Old 26th Nov 2019, 07:42
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Originally Posted by VinRouge View Post
There are seperate scales for
LGW and LHR SH as well
True, but just to be clear to new joiners there is no difference until 15years in as an FO or 24years Captain. So I wouldnít worry about it.
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Old 26th Nov 2019, 13:33
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Thanks for that link and help guys!

the link just has PP1 and PP34. If year 1 LH at the current contract is 4300 net, do you know what years 5 and 10 would be as a rough guide?

cheers!
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Old 26th Nov 2019, 16:33
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Every year it rises by 2500 gross I think
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Old 26th Nov 2019, 20:20
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What length of commute is feasible for a junior FO SH LHR?
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Old 27th Nov 2019, 00:14
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Originally Posted by HEJT2015 View Post
What length of commute is feasible for a junior FO SH LHR?
As little as possible. I would say any more than an hour would be painful. Preferably less.
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Old 27th Nov 2019, 03:17
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I do about an hour and a half, and itís ok. Occasional hotels before earlies / between blocks.

45 mins - 1 hour driving would be perfect, but I like where I live. Couldnít imagine doing more than 90 mins tops regularly though.
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Old 27th Nov 2019, 08:12
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HEJT

Not sure if by "commute" you mean by road or by flight.

If it's by flight then be aware ( if you weren't from previous posts here ) that the current management regime have got into the habit of on occasions running audits on the commuting patterns of those who travel to/from base by air.

They have paid particular interest to the days and timing of flights and time available for rest at base prior to duty.
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Old 27th Nov 2019, 10:50
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Is it feasible to commute from central London using public transport on a junior SH roster at LHR? I don't have a car and wasn't planning on buying one.
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Old 27th Nov 2019, 10:59
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Originally Posted by Percula View Post
Is it feasible to commute from central London using public transport on a junior SH roster at LHR? I don't have a car and wasn't planning on buying one.
Just use AddisonLee - most others do........
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Old 27th Nov 2019, 11:11
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Originally Posted by Barcli View Post
Just use AddisonLee - most others do........
​​​​​​For every morning flight? That must add up.
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