BA Direct Entry Pilot.
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 85
Good to know, thanks!
Originally Posted by Dupre
Crazypilot, this is common. Don't worry they haven't forgotten about you, just keep checking regularly for slots to be added to the system. They get snapped up pretty quickly so don't dilly dally when you see a date that you can make. I was waiting months, but that was probably an extreme case. Good luck!
Join Date: May 2016
Location: A castle in the sky
Posts: 22
Wondering if someone could help me out with some figures?
I am curious; what is the current basic salary for a long haul FO with 5 years seniority in the company? I've played around with the figures on ppjn and I'm guessing it is circa £78,500 gross basic pa?
How much would be paid into their pension in a year?
Is there profit sharing at BA or a share scheme?
I am curious; what is the current basic salary for a long haul FO with 5 years seniority in the company? I've played around with the figures on ppjn and I'm guessing it is circa £78,500 gross basic pa?
How much would be paid into their pension in a year?
Is there profit sharing at BA or a share scheme?
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: London
Posts: 70
Originally Posted by GE115b
Wondering if someone could help me out with some figures?
I am curious; what is the current basic salary for a long haul FO with 5 years seniority in the company? I've played around with the figures on ppjn and I'm guessing it is circa £78,500 gross basic pa?
How much would be paid into their pension in a year?
Is there profit sharing at BA or a share scheme?
I am curious; what is the current basic salary for a long haul FO with 5 years seniority in the company? I've played around with the figures on ppjn and I'm guessing it is circa £78,500 gross basic pa?
How much would be paid into their pension in a year?
Is there profit sharing at BA or a share scheme?
Many thanks
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: ubiquitous
Posts: 230
Originally Posted by GE115b
Wondering if someone could help me out with some figures?
I am curious; what is the current basic salary for a long haul FO with 5 years seniority in the company? I've played around with the figures on ppjn and I'm guessing it is circa £78,500 gross basic pa?
How much would be paid into their pension in a year?
Is there profit sharing at BA or a share scheme?
I am curious; what is the current basic salary for a long haul FO with 5 years seniority in the company? I've played around with the figures on ppjn and I'm guessing it is circa £78,500 gross basic pa?
How much would be paid into their pension in a year?
Is there profit sharing at BA or a share scheme?
Basic for LH FO at pp5/34 is just over £67K.
If you pay 6% into pension, BA will pay 15.6%.
No share scheme. There has been some profit sharing, but peanuts really compared to the £Bn profits.
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Germany
Posts: 2,058
Originally Posted by Eddie_Crane
Your figures are way wide of the mark.
Basic for LH FO at pp5/34 is just over £67K.
If you pay 6% into pension, BA will pay 15.6%.
No share scheme. There has been some profit sharing, but peanuts really compared to the £Bn profits.
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: The Winchester
Posts: 5,495
Originally Posted by clvf88
On top of this, would anyone be able to clarify what other payments are made? I'm aware of the 'flight pay' and 'away from base' payments.
You’ve come up with the two main variables to add to basic: flying pay and time away from base payment..
Closest to an “overnight payment” is the “Daily Overseas Allowance”...which will not make you a millionare..
Overtime (if you can fit it in) is available ...but doesn’t pay a staggeringly high multiple of the normal rate.
Disruption payments (and similar such as the much lamented “lateness credit) have been whittled down over the years and on Longhaul only really starts to kick in if you are a day late back into base or more, so it is not something you can plan on as a regular top up to the income.
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: London
Posts: 236
Year 5 L/H FO basic is £67658
Additional pay is as follows.
flight pay block to block £10 per hour
Time away from base (starts getting paid at check in and stops at check out in LHR) £3 something an hour of which about 30% is tax free although that won’t last much longer.
I would say factor in about another 15 to 18k a year in flight pay and TAFB pay.
Bonus forget about it, apparently there was some share scheme but I have never been paid out from it so I would write that off to.
Pension as previously mentioned 6/15.6%
overtime will be paid at about £60 per hour of credit (which I still don’t understand properly).
As with most things at BA the rostering/Pay/contracts/agreements are so complicated it’s almost impossible to give you a straight forward answer to the question.
Additional pay is as follows.
flight pay block to block £10 per hour
Time away from base (starts getting paid at check in and stops at check out in LHR) £3 something an hour of which about 30% is tax free although that won’t last much longer.
I would say factor in about another 15 to 18k a year in flight pay and TAFB pay.
Bonus forget about it, apparently there was some share scheme but I have never been paid out from it so I would write that off to.
Pension as previously mentioned 6/15.6%
overtime will be paid at about £60 per hour of credit (which I still don’t understand properly).
As with most things at BA the rostering/Pay/contracts/agreements are so complicated it’s almost impossible to give you a straight forward answer to the question.
Join Date: May 2016
Location: A castle in the sky
Posts: 22
Thanks for the figures.
Very surprising to be honest; a lot of people would be giving up commands on 737/320s if joining BA. I didn't realise that the pay cut you would have to take is so dramatic!
Very surprising to be honest; a lot of people would be giving up commands on 737/320s if joining BA. I didn't realise that the pay cut you would have to take is so dramatic!
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: The Winchester
Posts: 5,495
Originally Posted by Riskybis
The pay isn’t the reason to get into BA , I honestly think the main reason people want to get into this weird outfit is to “fly the flag” , “to fly to serve” . Just awful 
I’ve been in BA just a few decades and In all honesty I have never ever heard any crew (pilots or cabin crew) parroting those old and somewhat dated advertising slogans as their reason for joining....at all..ever.
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More likely reasons for joining I have heard from my pilot colleagues are things like being based in the south east U.K, being able to fly the likes of the 747, 777, 787, even the 380....In days of old people joined in part because it was a company with a decent pension scheme, and a “world leading rostering system” (stop laughing at the back) and the Aspirational bid system was and is a plus because it still allows people to dabble in Shorthaul, move to Longhaul, see the world..etc.
Just my MHO though (oh, I do agree with your comment about pay)
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 94
Originally Posted by Riskybis
The pay isn’t the reason to get into BA , I honestly think the main reason people want to get into this weird outfit is to “fly the flag” , “to fly to serve” . Just awful
Whilst I concede that BA isn't going to perfect (show me a job that is), it'll do for me and I'm very happy to have made the grade. In the unlikely event that I don't like it, I'll move to somewhere else (and give 3 months notice, not 12).
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: The Winchester
Posts: 5,495
Skaterboi...Firstly congratulations...
Well...there is the return to ISB on the 787.........
..., that aside you will find there are some “interesting destinations” with security issues at ground level, plus silly stuff like the odd scud thrown in the very general direction of RUH from time to time and at least one other occasionally “hot” ME destination where one has been known to have to take cover...but I do take your point 
Originally Posted by skaterboi
... and finally travel to destinations that don't require you to.....get shot at on a regular basis.
..., that aside you will find there are some “interesting destinations” with security issues at ground level, plus silly stuff like the odd scud thrown in the very general direction of RUH from time to time and at least one other occasionally “hot” ME destination where one has been known to have to take cover...but I do take your point Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Germany
Posts: 2,058
Originally Posted by wiggy
Skaterboi...Firstly congratulations...
Well...there is the return to ISB on the 787......... ..., that aside you will find there are some “interesting destinations” with security issues at ground level, plus silly stuff like the odd scud thrown in the very general direction of RUH from time to time and at least one other occasionally “hot” ME destination where one has been known to have to take cover...but I do take your point
Well...there is the return to ISB on the 787.........
..., that aside you will find there are some “interesting destinations” with security issues at ground level, plus silly stuff like the odd scud thrown in the very general direction of RUH from time to time and at least one other occasionally “hot” ME destination where one has been known to have to take cover...but I do take your point Join Date: May 2005
Location: WILTSHIRE
Posts: 82
Originally Posted by Riskybis
The pay isn’t the reason to get into BA , I honestly think the main reason people want to get into this weird outfit is to “fly the flag” , “to fly to serve” . Just awful
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: The Winchester
Posts: 5,495
Oh well...I stand corrected .. I’ve never witnessed that myself ....are you actually literally hearing people saying e.g. they joined “ to fly the flag” or similar...
??? I’ve never even heard the real real youngsters on the other side of the flight deck door -Mixed Fleet, regurgitate that sort of nonsense..
Maybe too much recruiting/exposure to some of our social media hero’s is causing this....I suggest we should make sure we continue to recruit more cynical/grounded old f*******
The Forces used to have a few...
??? I’ve never even heard the real real youngsters on the other side of the flight deck door -Mixed Fleet, regurgitate that sort of nonsense..Maybe too much recruiting/exposure to some of our social media hero’s is causing this....I suggest we should make sure we continue to recruit more cynical/grounded old f*******
The Forces used to have a few...Last edited by wiggy; 1st Jan 2019 at 11:16.
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: London
Posts: 105
Originally Posted by GS-Alpha
I do not think there are especially many who joined purely because they wanted to fly the flag. There are plenty who assumed the ‘national flag carrier’ would have superior terms and conditions though.
I spent most of 2018 waiting for BA to open up recruitment and waiting for slots to stages 1 and 2 as that’s what I wanted I didn’t focus on much else apart from EK.
Maybe it’s because it’s 2019, 2018 went by so quickly, I need to be more proactive.
Happy New Year.
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Going East
Posts: 15
What will happen to crews as the 747 is withdrawn? Could someone join on the fleet and then be directed to any fleet without any consultation? I understand that during your fleet freeze you can be directed to any fleet but obviously this is more relevant on the 747.
Join Date: Feb 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 1,079
Correct. You can get directed anywhere where BA wants. So you could in theory get booted off the 747 as the fleet reduces in size. That might be to SH. The 350 is going to replace the 747 on an hull for hull basis.
However, there might be enough guys bidding off the 747 to fill their requirements leaving you protected. I guess it’s a last resort thing. Some new guys were directed off the 380 a couple of years ago. If they have an oversupply of pilots on a fleet, they normally run a supplementary bid and people can put in their preference as to where they’d like to go. Happened on the 318 when they reduced the fleet to 1 aircraft a while back.
However, there might be enough guys bidding off the 747 to fill their requirements leaving you protected. I guess it’s a last resort thing. Some new guys were directed off the 380 a couple of years ago. If they have an oversupply of pilots on a fleet, they normally run a supplementary bid and people can put in their preference as to where they’d like to go. Happened on the 318 when they reduced the fleet to 1 aircraft a while back.
