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Old 12th Dec 2019, 20:30
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Following, Just about to do the same!!
offer from BA is just not good enough to leave current employer, a 5/4 roster home every night is pricelsss.
also not over 700hrs in the past year.
I fear the future is not similar in BA.
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Old 12th Dec 2019, 23:54
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Join Date: Oct 2003
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Out of curiosity, were there unexpected bits of the contract that didn't appeal, or was it the base/fleet offer? Just trying to guage reasons as it's such a mission to get through to an offer stage, and then have to consider turning it down.
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Old 13th Dec 2019, 07:47
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Originally Posted by capt.sparrow View Post
Out of curiosity, were there unexpected bits of the contract that didn't appeal, or was it the base/fleet offer? Just trying to guage reasons as it's such a mission to get through to an offer stage, and then have to consider turning it down.
My money is on the two J s
JSS + Juniority
It is no fun being endlessly beaten by the global constraints stick month after month.
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Old 13th Dec 2019, 12:12
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Originally Posted by capt.sparrow View Post
Out of curiosity, were there unexpected bits of the contract that didn't appeal, or was it the base/fleet offer? Just trying to guage reasons as it's such a mission to get through to an offer stage, and then have to consider turning it down.
Contract etc all fine and I know what I was letting myself in for. BA was a backup due to uncertainty at current workplace, that uncertainty has nearly disappeared and the quality of life definitely outweighs what I could expect at BA.

The reason for the original post: The uncertainty should be completely gone within the next 10 days, is it within my rights to sign contract (to keep the automated system happy) and then remove myself from the process?
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Old 13th Dec 2019, 15:33
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BA will not blink an eye lid. You will not have a black mark against you. I would thank them for the opportunity and say your decision is based on the needs of your family and a change in circumstances at your current employer.

Hell they asked me why I wanted to leave my previous employer to which I replied “I don’t I am very happy there”

If they ask why you came to that decision by all means tell them what the factors were. Let’s face it they will understand and probably already know. I know someone who turned the offer down, explained why and apologised for the late notice. BA wished them the best of luck and left the door open in the future.

Good luck with your decision. BA is not for everyone, it’s not as good as it was but it is not so bad that I have left either.
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Old 13th Dec 2019, 16:50
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Thanks bex, just what I was after.
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Old 13th Dec 2019, 20:31
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Youíll have no issues, theyíd rather that than put you through type rating / line training only for you to give your notice straight away (no bond at BA)
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Old 19th Dec 2019, 19:29
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Just had a recruitment email to say A320 DEP is open again. Guess that means good news for us still paddling?!
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Old 20th Dec 2019, 07:40
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Bid results are out yesterday. Nothing too shocking but the plan is for just shy of 300 new entrants in 2020. Merry Xmas to those in the pool waiting a start date.
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Old 20th Dec 2019, 14:32
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Also worth noting the Annual Bid for fleet/position has commands at both LGW/LHR on the A320 for DEPís (with enough hours) with only 1 year in the company. Being at the bottom of JSS is that unpalatable that this anomaly exists. If, however, you see lucrative positions globally that require say 1000 hours as P1, BA has become a great stepping stone for individuals with that in mind.
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Old 20th Dec 2019, 16:51
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No JSS in Gatwick thankfully. Carmen is actually far kinder to the junior pilots here.

Iíve said it before but itís a better base for SH than Heathrow unless you live the wrong side of the M25 in which case I can see how itís a bit of a drag.
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Old 20th Dec 2019, 17:03
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Do you maintain your seniority if you transfer between LGW & LHR?
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Old 20th Dec 2019, 17:26
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Yes you keep your seniority
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Old 22nd Dec 2019, 11:01
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I have just had a quick look through the PRIAM results, and I do not see any short haul command courses for anyone with a year or even two years of seniority. Or am I reading it incorrectly? I make the most junior 320 LHR pilot nearly 700 places from the bottom of the list, and I doubt they will be doing their course until about this time next year, probably after about 4 years as an FO? LGW commands are a bit more junior but still nearly 450 places from the bottom, so the course will be nearly 3 years after joining.
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Old 22nd Dec 2019, 11:10
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It looks like about 850 pilots from the bottom is approximately 5 years in, as that is where the engagement freeze appears to end.
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Old 22nd Dec 2019, 11:48
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Originally Posted by GS-Alpha View Post
I have just had a quick look through the PRIAM results, and I do not see any short haul command courses for anyone with a year or even two years of seniority. Or am I reading it incorrectly? I make the most junior 320 LHR pilot nearly 700 places from the bottom of the list, and I doubt they will be doing their course until about this time next year, probably after about 4 years as an FO? LGW commands are a bit more junior but still nearly 450 places from the bottom, so the course will be nearly 3 years after joining.
I know type freezes have been talked about to death on here, but one thing I'm not sure about is; if you join on a LH fleet and bid for a LGW 320 command, are you still frozen for those first 5 years? I assume - and please correct me if I'm wrong - if there aren't enough junior bids to fill the SH P1 requirements then freeze waivers would come into force(?) All hypothetical.. I'm sure there's plenty of junior P1 bids, just wondering how it works.
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Old 22nd Dec 2019, 12:01
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Originally Posted by Vwon View Post
I know type freezes have been talked about to death on here, but one thing I'm not sure about is; if you join on a LH fleet and bid for a LGW 320 command, are you still frozen for those first 5 years? I assume - and please correct me if I'm wrong - if there aren't enough junior bids to fill the SH P1 requirements then freeze waivers would come into force(?) All hypothetical.. I'm sure there's plenty of junior P1 bids, just wondering how it works.
Basically, BA can do what they like with you during your first 5 years. Ordinarily they want to do what is cheapest, so they do not allow any moves from whatever fleet you are on during that time period. You still have the opportunity to bid for your fleet aspirations, and BA will consider them if it suits them. Normally, the only thing that suits them is a move to a short haul command where there are often insufficient more senior bidders.

An example where things might be different this year, is the 747 where they have stated the fleet may be in surplus towards the end of 2020. A new recruit on the 747 could therefore see themselves directed off the fleet to anywhere else (highly unlikely to be a command position), if there are insufficient more senior volunteers. My gut feeling is that 2020 will see sufficient volunteers, but 2021 may be a different story.
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Old 22nd Dec 2019, 12:05
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Originally Posted by GS-Alpha View Post
I have just had a quick look through the PRIAM results, and I do not see any short haul command courses for anyone with a year or even two years of seniority. Or am I reading it incorrectly?
It's not the easiest document to read but I've just had a very quick look at it myself and I think that's a reasonable conclusion.

There are folks below the lucky winner who have valid bids so there's a chance there might be some movement lower down when the plan goes through it's multiple iterations over the year.

I think way back we discussed the probability that the less than one or two year seniority commands that did happen were likely to be a bit of a black swan event.

Last edited by wiggy; 22nd Dec 2019 at 13:36.
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Old 22nd Dec 2019, 14:29
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We did indeed wiggy. I was responding to this a couple of posts up, which I believe to be misleading information.
Originally Posted by Right Engine View Post
Also worth noting the Annual Bid for fleet/position has commands at both LGW/LHR on the A320 for DEPís (with enough hours) with only 1 year in the company.
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Old 22nd Dec 2019, 17:54
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How many pilots are they looking for on the A320 fleet?

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